If you belong to the Albany list, when I took the admin job for it a couple of years ago, I closed the gateway and got yelled at so we took a vote and the ayes won. I, personally, don't like the gateway, either, but I go with the group. > I'll save Cliff's response for the next time this matter is raised on another list. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com