Hi! I'm new to the list, and was hoping someone might be able to help. My gr-gr-gr-grandparents passed through Troy between living in Quebec and living in Joliet, and two of their sons were born there. I know the family was Irish Catholic, so I didn't know if there might be baptismal records for the boys, or if the county might have kept birth records that early. The two births I'm hoping to find are: Andrew Wallace b. about 1845 James Wallace b. about 1846 Their parents were Thomas Wallace and Esther Hagerty. Thomas and Esther were originally Ireland (near Mullingar, if family lore holds true), but left either together or separately. Thomas' signature appears on a baptism and a marriage in Quebec in January, 1829, but their oldest son (Thomas, Jr.) was born in Ireland about 1829 (according to Census information). There were seven children born and baptized Catholic in Quebec, and I've been able to find their births (and one death) in the Drouin collection online. The last one born in Quebec was my gr-gr-grandfather, Peter Hagerty Wallace, he was baptized on 11 Aug 1843, and is listed in the Eastern Townships missionary register in the Drouin images on Ancestry. My understanding is that Andrew and James were born in Troy, NY, before the family moved on to Joliet, Illinois. The youngest two children were born in Joliet, and the family was listed in Joliet in the 1850 Census. According to the Census Elizabeth (or Lizzie) was born in Illinois about 1847. Any help would be greatly appreciated! ~~Bren http://www.myspace.com/brendahebert http://daSinga.crazyguyonabike.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ

John McGough, son of Owen and Catherine Dugan McGough, was married ca 1908, probably in Troy. I'm not positive yet that they are a Catholic couple. John told the census enumerator in 1910, Troy, that his parents were born in Ire.English which could indicate the Northern part which was basically Protestant. I know that there are many church in Troy. Is there an online site for marriages in Troy? I will go to Dept., of Health to get the exact date if I need to but I had hoped I could find this online. Deanna

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: cwitze Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.rensselaer/4590/mb.ashx Message Board Post: When did Renesslaer County and the City of Troy start having separate court systems? From the county's creation in 1791, or sometime later? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Cliff, I was interested in your reply to Emily. I have been searching for a long time for a baptismal record for Marie Elodie Mailhot (Mayotte), born September 3, 1850, in Troy. (Parents might be Francois or Francis and Mary or Marie). I have had no luck with various churches in the area. Would you know how I could go about accessing these school district records to see if perhaps she is there? I live in Canada. Thank you, Bonnie >From: Cliff Lamere <clifflamere@nycap.rr.com> >Reply-To: nyrensse@rootsweb.com >To: nyrensse@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [NYRENSSE] GOEWEY b. Greenbush, NY >Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 02:23:45 -0400 > >Emily, > >1847 to 1850/51 was the only previous time period when births were >required to be recorded. In that time period, it was school districts >which were required to record births. Most of those records have been >lost by now, but Rensselaer Co. had more preserved than for most >counties. I don't know if Troy preserved such records. > >Cliff > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >Emily Brothers wrote: > > >I have a question about B Cs. If in civil court records B Cs weren't > >required until 1881 would church records be the place to look for >Baptismal > >Records giving the date of birth? When did the city of Troy require the > >recording of birth? The time frame I am interested in is the 1840s. > >Emily Brothers > > > > > > >====NY-RENSSE Mailing List==== >Check out the mailing list's website at: >http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYRensse/ >Add/check you Rensselaer County surnames on the surname registry at: >http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyrenss2/ >(under Links) >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >NYRENSSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Bonnie, I don't know if Troy ever collected them or preserved them. I can only suggest that you contact the Rensselaer Co. Historical Society and the Rensselaer County Clerk. Troy Public Library (main branch) has a genealogy room with microfilms of other censuses. Sorry that I can't be more helpful. Cliff ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ L DUPUY wrote: >Cliff, > >I was interested in your reply to Emily. I have been searching for a long >time for a baptismal record for Marie Elodie Mailhot (Mayotte), born >September 3, 1850, in Troy. (Parents might be Francois or Francis and Mary >or Marie). I have had no luck with various churches in the area. Would >you know how I could go about accessing these school district records to see >if perhaps she is there? I live in Canada. > >Thank you, >Bonnie > > > > >

Bonnie, I don't know if Troy ever collected them or preserved them. I can only suggest that you contact the Rensselaer Co. Historical Society and the Rensselaer County Clerk. Troy Public Library (main branch) has a genealogy room with microfilms of other censuses. Sorry that I can't be more helpful. Cliff ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ L DUPUY wrote: >Cliff, > >I was interested in your reply to Emily. I have been searching for a long >time for a baptismal record for Marie Elodie Mailhot (Mayotte), born >September 3, 1850, in Troy. (Parents might be Francois or Francis and Mary >or Marie). I have had no luck with various churches in the area. Would >you know how I could go about accessing these school district records to see >if perhaps she is there? I live in Canada. > >Thank you, >Bonnie > > > > >

Emily, 1847 to 1850/51 was the only previous time period when births were required to be recorded. In that time period, it was school districts which were required to record births. Most of those records have been lost by now, but Rensselaer Co. had more preserved than for most counties. I don't know if Troy preserved such records. Cliff ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Emily Brothers wrote: >I have a question about B Cs. If in civil court records B Cs weren't >required until 1881 would church records be the place to look for Baptismal >Records giving the date of birth? When did the city of Troy require the >recording of birth? The time frame I am interested in is the 1840s. >Emily Brothers > > >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: canis18 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.rensselaer/4589/mb.ashx Message Board Post: The Capital District Genealogical Society will meet at the Colonie Town Library, 629 Albany-Shaker Road, Loudonville, on Saturday, April 26, 2008 10 a.m.-4 p.m. (stop in any time) The topic for the meeting will be Computer Look up Day Get one on one, hands on help with your family history Individual CD collections totaling over 300. Includes most of the Family Tree Maker CD's, HEHGS, Civil War, Corbin Collection, PERSI, LDS and more. Access ancestry.com and other sites! Please join us The meeting is free and open to the public. Capital District Genealogical Society P.O. Box 2175 Empire State Plaza Station Albany, NY 12220 Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

I would like to find a Photo of Owen McGough of Troy who received the Medal of Honor in the Civil War for bravery at the Battle of Bull Run. He was b. In Enniskeen, Co. Monaghan, Ireland and died in 1908 Troy. Deanna

I have a question about B Cs. If in civil court records B Cs weren't required until 1881 would church records be the place to look for Baptismal Records giving the date of birth? When did the city of Troy require the recording of birth? The time frame I am interested in is the 1840s. Emily Brothers ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cliff Lamere" <clifflamere@nycap.rr.com> To: <nyrensse@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 2:41 PM Subject: Re: [NYRENSSE] GOEWEY b. Greenbush, NY > Outside of New York City, birth certificates were required for each > birth in the state beginning in 1881. The original handwritten > certificates had to be sent to the state. The cities of Albany, Buffalo > and Yonkers were not required to begin sending theirs to the state until > 1914, but that is because they had their own rules in place before > 1881. Despite the requirement, some doctors and midwives did not report > some of the births, so no certificate was issued for those births. > > Even though the index may have said Freestville, it was named after a > DeFreest family. Today it is called Defreestville. The Defreetsville > spelling in the record of Eleanor Goewey is a typo. > > Pokeepsie is now spelled Poughkeepsie. The -gh- is not pronounced, so > the earlier spellings included Pokeepsie, but probably not as official > spellings. For people who are not local, I have only heard it > pronounced Po-KIP-see. > > One note of caution. In the index, I have seen G'ville a few times. > Gloversville (Fulton Co.) is a city, so it is the location most likely > meant by such an abbreviation, but I know of one occasion where it meant > Glenville (Town of) in Schenectady Co. which is quite a bit closer to > Rensselaer Co. In my own study of a single surname, I have noticed that > some of the people did move from Rensselaer Co. to Schenectady Co. or > vice versa. If the index said G'ville, try to confirm Gloversville with > another piece of information. > > Cliff > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Janice J. wrote: > >>The birth, death and marriage certificate index starts in 1881. >> >>Mabel Goewey does not have a birth certificate. (These certificates were >>not required until 1912 so not every one had them). I did find that >>Mabel C. Goewey died age 67 on September 9, 1953 at the age of 67 in >>Pokeepsie, NY, certificate number 55862. >>* >>Hattie Goewey died in Gloversville, age 90, on 5/5/53. >>* >>Clarence A. Goewey married on August 19, 1919 in Freestville, NY 28748. >>Thanks to Rici for these lookups. >> >>-original message- >>Eleanor GOEWEY, my paternal grandmother, of Troy, Rensselaer Co., NY, >>was dau. of Franklin J. & Eleanor SHARP[E] GOEWEY and is buried Blooming >>Grove Cemetery, Defreetsville, Rensselaer Co., NY. >> >>Children of Frank J. GOEWEY & Eleanor M. SHARP[E] b. Troy, Rensselaer, >>NY >>a) Mabel GOEWEY >>b) Clarence A. GOEWEY m. 1919 Julia BORNT [1900-1987], >>c) Alice GOEWEY m. Dr. Samuel SAULPAUGH, >>d) Edith GOEWEY m. Dr. Frank HECKER, and >>e) Eleanor GOEWEY. >> >>Thank you, >>Janice Jordan <jnrose@webtv.net> >> >> >> >> >> > ====NY-RENSSE Mailing List==== > Check out the mailing list's website at: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYRensse/ > Add/check you Rensselaer County surnames on the surname registry at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyrenss2/ > (under Links) > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYRENSSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Outside of New York City, birth certificates were required for each birth in the state beginning in 1881. The original handwritten certificates had to be sent to the state. The cities of Albany, Buffalo and Yonkers were not required to begin sending theirs to the state until 1914, but that is because they had their own rules in place before 1881. Despite the requirement, some doctors and midwives did not report some of the births, so no certificate was issued for those births. Even though the index may have said Freestville, it was named after a DeFreest family. Today it is called Defreestville. The Defreetsville spelling in the record of Eleanor Goewey is a typo. Pokeepsie is now spelled Poughkeepsie. The -gh- is not pronounced, so the earlier spellings included Pokeepsie, but probably not as official spellings. For people who are not local, I have only heard it pronounced Po-KIP-see. One note of caution. In the index, I have seen G'ville a few times. Gloversville (Fulton Co.) is a city, so it is the location most likely meant by such an abbreviation, but I know of one occasion where it meant Glenville (Town of) in Schenectady Co. which is quite a bit closer to Rensselaer Co. In my own study of a single surname, I have noticed that some of the people did move from Rensselaer Co. to Schenectady Co. or vice versa. If the index said G'ville, try to confirm Gloversville with another piece of information. Cliff ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Janice J. wrote: >The birth, death and marriage certificate index starts in 1881. > >Mabel Goewey does not have a birth certificate. (These certificates were >not required until 1912 so not every one had them). I did find that >Mabel C. Goewey died age 67 on September 9, 1953 at the age of 67 in >Pokeepsie, NY, certificate number 55862. >* >Hattie Goewey died in Gloversville, age 90, on 5/5/53. >* >Clarence A. Goewey married on August 19, 1919 in Freestville, NY 28748. >Thanks to Rici for these lookups. > >-original message- >Eleanor GOEWEY, my paternal grandmother, of Troy, Rensselaer Co., NY, >was dau. of Franklin J. & Eleanor SHARP[E] GOEWEY and is buried Blooming >Grove Cemetery, Defreetsville, Rensselaer Co., NY. > >Children of Frank J. GOEWEY & Eleanor M. SHARP[E] b. Troy, Rensselaer, >NY >a) Mabel GOEWEY >b) Clarence A. GOEWEY m. 1919 Julia BORNT [1900-1987], >c) Alice GOEWEY m. Dr. Samuel SAULPAUGH, >d) Edith GOEWEY m. Dr. Frank HECKER, and >e) Eleanor GOEWEY. > >Thank you, >Janice Jordan <jnrose@webtv.net> > > > > >

The birth, death and marriage certificate index starts in 1881. Mabel Goewey does not have a birth certificate. (These certificates were not required until 1912 so not every one had them). I did find that Mabel C. Goewey died age 67 on September 9, 1953 at the age of 67 in Pokeepsie, NY, certificate number 55862. * Hattie Goewey died in Gloversville, age 90, on 5/5/53. * Clarence A. Goewey married on August 19, 1919 in Freestville, NY 28748. Thanks to Rici for these lookups. -original message- Eleanor GOEWEY, my paternal grandmother, of Troy, Rensselaer Co., NY, was dau. of Franklin J. & Eleanor SHARP[E] GOEWEY and is buried Blooming Grove Cemetery, Defreetsville, Rensselaer Co., NY. Children of Frank J. GOEWEY & Eleanor M. SHARP[E] b. Troy, Rensselaer, NY a) Mabel GOEWEY b) Clarence A. GOEWEY m. 1919 Julia BORNT [1900-1987], c) Alice GOEWEY m. Dr. Samuel SAULPAUGH, d) Edith GOEWEY m. Dr. Frank HECKER, and e) Eleanor GOEWEY. Thank you, Janice Jordan <jnrose@webtv.net>

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jpcolgate Surnames: burr mabbett Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.rensselaer/4582.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Joey, I am perplexed. I spent over 30 minutes composing a posting in reply to your http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.rensselaer/2044.1/mb.ashx but now it is no longer there. Can't undestand what happened to it. I will try to figure it out again and email you directly in the next two weeks when I have time to re-organize my thoughts and look again at my papers and try to re-assmeble what I wrote last time. But basically, my prior posting explained how the Rensselaerville Burrs maried the Mabbetts, and I had provided a link to a book that is avaialable to view at google books that lists the lineages of these Burrs. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jpcolgate Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.rensselaer/2044.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Don't know what happened here. I spent 30 minutes composing and posting info here about the Burrs. And it was posted -- I saw it -- I am not crazy. But now it's gone. Maybe someone deleted it? How can that be? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jatpop12xs Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.rensselaer/4582.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: James, Thanks for the info but I am a few miles from New York, California to be exact. I am really researching Delia Burr born 1804 in Rensselaer County, New York. She is the daughter of Joseph Burr. She married Ansel Thomas 1827 NYC . I checked out the 1855 Census of NYC and it says that she was born in Rensselaer County, Ny. Their first son was Joseph Burr Thomas b 1828 Tioga county, NY. Are you related to the Mabbett Family or Thorne Family? Hope to hear from you again. You can contact me at: jatpop12xs@roadrunner.com tried looking at your psoting but it was pulled for some reason. regards, Joey Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: kjtrcedj Surnames: IRELAND, SEELEY Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.rensselaer/4588/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I'm searching for information on the Old Presbyterian Church and cemetery, Schaghticoke. The church is no longer standing, but the cemetery is still there. It's located on Route 67, between Schaghticoke and Valley Falls. A researcher we hired recently found the graves of Thomas Ireland (died 1811) and his wife, Sarah (Seeley) Ireland (died 1830). Does anyone know if there would be surviving records from the church? Judy Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jbugos Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.rensselaer/4586.2.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Does the inter- library loan film from state to state? I am in Georgia and most of the needed information is in New York. This is a new venue for me. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: clifflamere Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.rensselaer/4586.2.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Joy, You may have checked only her married name. On the site I mentioned, sometimes women were listed under their maiden names rather than under the married name that was on the stone. I'm not sure why, but I have noticed it to be true on occasion. If you don't know her maiden name, use the site's search engine to look for all occurences of the married surname. If she is actually listed under her maiden name (perhaps buried with her parents), the data following her name may list the name of her spouse. In that manner you might be able to determine an unknown maiden name, and you would have found the entry you want. Cliff Lamere Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: nygenes1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.rensselaer/4586.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Joy, I checked several subscription databases with no success. I was hoping Cliff would chime in because he is THE expert on this area. I think the next best thing, other than hiring someone, would be for you to look in the newspapers yourself. Here is a link to the NYS Library Newspaper Project to one of the Troy newspapers of that era. http://www.nysl.nysed.gov/nysnp/142.htm#Troy I'm pretty sure you can borrow the microfilm through your local library's Inter-Library-Loan program. Another possibility is for you to check www.raogk.org. Good luck. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jbugos Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.rensselaer/4586.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Cliff, Great site, but my GAunt is not listed. Thanks, Joy Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.