I don't like the gatewayed messages. You don't know who the person is. For that reason I almost always delete them without bothering to read them, the title of this one being the only reason that I looked. They are an irritation and close to spam. I already opted out of one board because I found myself being overwhelmed with a sheer number of these, many of which was due to someone who didn't appear to realize that their query went through the first time. > From: SusiCP@aol.com > Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 15:29:58 -0400 > To: nyrensse@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NYRENSSE] The negatives of gatewayed messages > > Cliff, What an astute assessment. I do not mind the gated messages but you > are correct and maybe a reminder to check there would be better and less > cluttered unanswerable emails would occur. > > Susi > > > ************** > Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for > fuel-efficient used cars. > (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) > ====NY-RENSSE Mailing List==== > Check out the mailing list's website at: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYRensse/ > Don't forget the Rensselaer County Message Board: http://boards.rootsweb.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYRENSSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Need to know now? Get instant answers with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_messenger_072008

Now that I see the negatives of gatewayed message being posted I will jump in. I agree with the negative comments of the previous posters and prefer to go to the Ancestry Boards to review the Boards/Rootsweb there if I so choose. I very rarely, if at all, respond to gatewayed messages - they are just a bother and I simply delete them. At Ancestry/Rootsweb one can sign up for Alerts/Notifications from any board in a composite form if they so choose and thus if they visit the message link provided in the Alert/Notification will not miss anything and have the entire message thread to review if they so choose. Gatewayed Messages are just a great bother & unecessary duplication to someone who subscribes to numerous lists. My downright honest opinion is the gatewayed messages are just another way of luring newbies to subscribe to Ancestry . I am a subscriber. Well now I finally got that off my chest. Ginny Buechele http://www.geocities.com/ginnyflies/ Ginny's History, Genealogy, Historical Preservation, & Poughkeepsie [Uppuqui-ipis-ing] Hometown Page Dutchess & Putnam Counties, NY

Okay, I am going to close the gateway and add a link to the signature of the list to remind all that there is a message board that should be checked regularly. In my own experience with the message boards, they were where my Flynn cousins found me, not the lists. If it wasn't for the boards, I wouldn't have met some great cousins and together we found where our Flynns were from in Ireland. One more note. If you find a message on the boards and want to write the sender privately, click on the link from the sender and you will get the email address if they choose to list it. Okay, now it is time for all of you to begin posting to the list. Without the boards, it will be very quiet. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA, list admin http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

I would like to leave it up to each member of the List...... if you don't want the gatewayed messages, simply set your email client to BLOCK messages from gc-gateway@rootsweb.com I happen to use Outlook Express and it is very simple to set up - the next time you receive a gatewayed email, right click on the address and then select "Block sender..." Seems to me we can "have our cake and eat it too" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Connors" <nymets22@gmail.com> To: <nyrensse@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 10:56 AM Subject: [NYRENSSE] ADMIN Re: Reply or Reply All > Side note from admin: I believe a couple of years ago, as a list, we > decided we wanted to be gatewayed to the message board. If a majority > of the list would like to change this, I am open to a discussion. > Thanks Cliff for the explanation. Also, if you don't want to read a > message, you can just delete it. > > >> taking place on a message board. It has been arranged so that this >> mailing list also receives the message board messages (they are >> "gatewayed" to the mailing list). >> > > -- > Pat Connors, Sacramento CA, list admin > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com > ====NY-RENSSE Mailing List==== > Check out the mailing list's website at: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYRensse/ > Add/check you Rensselaer County surnames on the surname registry at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyrenss2/ > (under Links) > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYRENSSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Cliff: As you have noted when I botched replying to a query last winter, I am technologically challenged. So reason number 8 voices my concerns. I could not figure out what I was doing wrong even after you had tried to explain it to me. So I did not bother to try to respond again even though I had data on point for that particular query. Oh, well! For the last few days, I have been corresponding back and forth with another list member regarding how to figure out where his ancestors lived prior to settling in Rensselaer County, NY after the Rev. War. No doubt this conversation is boring most list members to death, but then just maybe someone else might find it useful. Everyone has a delete button, which I feel they should all learn to use. Leslie Cliff Lamere wrote: > The list administrator asked our opinion about whether to keep the > gateway system, so I have tried to evaluate it. Nobody has said > anything negative about this system, so let me be the first. > > I'm not trying to talk anyone into abondoning the system. I just offer > some facts to weigh. Here are some reasons why people might not like it. > > 1) You can't tell who wrote the gatewayed email (not even your own) > without opening it. They all come from "gc-gateway". It is fairly > important to know who wrote the email. For example, if Pat Connors > writes an email, I will always open it no matter what the subject is. > > 2) People seldom use even their first name at the end of a gatewayed > message, so you don't know who wrote the message, which makes them > definitely less personal. > > 3) Most of the time you don't know, and can't learn, the email address > of the sender, so you can't answer privately. > > 4) You can read the gatewayed email, but the previous message is not > included in it. It is therefore very often hard to understand the > answer. When a subject has several respondents at once, you just can't > tell to what the incoming email is responding. Even if there is only > one respondent that day, you still can't tell what they were answering. > This becomes even worse when the question was posted several days, > weeks, or months earlier (as is often the case with message boards). > This kind of confusion is avoided by using the message board the way it > was intended; by visiting it. > > 5) Gatewaying forces you to go online and do some research if you want > to understand many of the emails. > > 6) BUT, when I tried to do that twice in the past three days, the link > to the online message took me to a screen advertising Ancestry instead > of to the message board. I did learn that if I closed the browser > window and clicked on the email link in the message a second time, that > second time I would be taken to the correct place. Most people would > not have tried it a second time. > > 7) The current system sometimes generates duplicate messages to the > mailing list. > > 8) Gatewaying confuses a large number of the mailing list members. > Sometimes they try to answer the question being posed on the message > board, but they are only sending their answer to the mailing list > members. The person who asked the question doesn't always see a helpful > answer. > > 9) As one member complained, somedays there are a lot of these messages > that have to be deleted. For those who check mail once a day, that is > not a problem. For those whose computers alert them to the fact that > there is an incoming email, checking to see what that mail is, then > deleting it is not much of a problem. But, the large number of > gatewayed messages on some days can mean checking many extra times. I > suspect that some people find that to be annoying. > > 10) Unlike in past years, the mailing list Archives no longer shows who > wrote most of the emails, because the ones that are gatewayed don't list > a sender or their email address. They just list a "handle" of seemingly > nonsense letters which usually makes it impossible to recognize the > sender's name. That means that it will be harder or impossible to > contact the sender when a genealogist finds an interesting message in > the mailing list's Archives. > > That is a lot of negatives. You may think of others. > > Despite all of these negatives, a small percentage of list members are > no doubt being helped, and a higher percentage don't want to miss the > chance that a message board message might help. But, this can be > resolved a different way. A line could be added at the bottom of each > email from the mailing list that tells how to reach the message board. > And an email reminder could be sent every two or three months to the > mailing list suggesting that we check the message board. People who > use a message board usually ask to be notified when someone replies to > their message. So, it would not be harmful to the list member if they > didn't read the message on the day it was written. > > I believe the negatives of gatewaying much outweigh the positives. > However, the list administrator knows things about the mailing list and > message board that few of us know. She knows how she would like things > to operate, what would be easy and reasonable for her, and what would be > best for the mailing list. I think she is in the best position to make > the decision. > > I don't care one way or the other. I just tried to present an analysis > of the situation. > > Cliff Lamere > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Pat Connors wrote: > > >> Side note from admin: I believe a couple of years ago, as a list, we >> decided we wanted to be gatewayed to the message board. If a majority >> of the list would like to change this, I am open to a discussion. >> Thanks Cliff for the explanation. Also, if you don't want to read a >> message, you can just delete it. >> >> >> >> >> >>> taking place on a message board. It has been arranged so that this >>> mailing list also receives the message board messages (they are >>> "gatewayed" to the mailing list). >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > ====NY-RENSSE Mailing List==== > Check out the mailing list's website at: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYRensse/ > Add/check you Rensselaer County surnames on the surname registry at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyrenss2/ > (under Links) > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYRENSSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Thank you Cliff for all of this information and putting it so clearly. I just open them and delete them for alot of the reasons you outlined. They are more bothersome to respond to. I know not everyone wants to join the mailing lists because I suggested that on one of the message boards and got a ton of e-mail about from people with reasons they did not want to join mailing list. I personally would prefer not to get them. Kristin Cooney-Ayotte Troy **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)

Pat and Cliff, as well as others. did you notice a sudden but MAJOR change had been made to the gatewayed messages July 1st? It used to be simple message added to the message, not obstruse, but now this all of a sudden an unbelievable intruding message tacked on to the message, taking up anywhere from HALF to TWO-THIRDS of the message space. And DARE us to unsubscribe from the mailing lists if we don't like it. The new intruding portion is shown here below. Seeing is believing. > PRIVACY STATEMENT > http://www.thegenerationsnetwork.com/default.aspx?html=pp > > We do not sell, rent or otherwise distribute the personal information you provide us to third party advertisers. > > Don't want to receive this email anymore? No problem. It's easy to unsubscribe altogether or change your email preferences. > > Click here to unsubscribe from all message board alerts: > http://www.ancestry.com/unsubscribe/?eml=NYCHAUTA-L@rootsweb.com&md5=&mb=1 > > To change your preferences log in to My Ancestry and go to the 'my alerts' section. > http://www.ancestry.com/t9760/e2008070501515900495735373126/rd.ashx > > You can contact us at: The Generations Network, Inc., 360 West 4800 North, Provo, UT 84604, Attn: Customer Service. Cliff Lamere wrote: > The list administrator asked our opinion about whether to keep the > gateway system, so I have tried to evaluate it. Nobody has said > anything negative about this system, so let me be the first.

I vote against Gatewayed Messages. There is no need to relist all the Negatives, and there are many.

> 8) Gatewaying confuses a large number of the > mailing list members. Sometimes they try to > answer the question being posed on the > message board, but they are only sending > their answer to the mailing list members. > The person who asked the question doesn't > always see a helpful answer. -Cliff .... Hello Marsha: And that is why the members of a list must learn to **read** the whole message and they will know that in order to share their knowledge with members of a board they must respond to the Message Board URL posted with the corresponding post at the moment. This message is **very** important: Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. Because how listers are responding to boarders is sending their kind emails to: <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com>. Which we all know is the address for the gatewayed list at the moment is: NYRENSSE. If listers would just respond to the ** Message Board URL ** there would not be confusion. Maybe a little too much instruction is the confusion? --Manaia ++++ --- On Sat, 7/5/08, Marsha Ensminger <marshaensminger@yahoo.com> wrote: > I'd say the most important problem with the gateway > system is #8. The people who post the original query > frequently do not receive any response. This appears to me > to defeat the entire purpose of the message board. > > Marsha L. Ensminger

I'd say the most important problem with the gateway system is #8. The people who post the original query frequently do not receive any response. This appears to me to defeat the entire purpose of the message board. Marsha L. Ensminger --- On Sat, 7/5/08, Cliff Lamere <clifflamere@nycap.rr.com> wrote: > From: Cliff Lamere <clifflamere@nycap.rr.com> > Subject: [NYRENSSE] The negatives of gatewayed messages > To: nyrensse@rootsweb.com > Date: Saturday, July 5, 2008, 12:02 AM > The list administrator asked our opinion about whether to > keep the > gateway system, so I have tried to evaluate it. Nobody has > said > anything negative about this system, so let me be the > first. > > I'm not trying to talk anyone into abondoning the > system. I just offer > some facts to weigh. Here are some reasons why people > might not like it. > > 1) You can't tell who wrote the gatewayed email (not > even your own) > without opening it. They all come from > "gc-gateway". It is fairly > important to know who wrote the email. For example, if Pat > Connors > writes an email, I will always open it no matter what the > subject is. > > 2) People seldom use even their first name at the end of a > gatewayed > message, so you don't know who wrote the message, which > makes them > definitely less personal. > > 3) Most of the time you don't know, and can't > learn, the email address > of the sender, so you can't answer privately. > > 4) You can read the gatewayed email, but the previous > message is not > included in it. It is therefore very often hard to > understand the > answer. When a subject has several respondents at once, > you just can't > tell to what the incoming email is responding. Even if > there is only > one respondent that day, you still can't tell what they > were answering. > This becomes even worse when the question was posted > several days, > weeks, or months earlier (as is often the case with message > boards). > This kind of confusion is avoided by using the message > board the way it > was intended; by visiting it. > > 5) Gatewaying forces you to go online and do some research > if you want > to understand many of the emails. > > 6) BUT, when I tried to do that twice in the past three > days, the link > to the online message took me to a screen advertising > Ancestry instead > of to the message board. I did learn that if I closed the > browser > window and clicked on the email link in the message a > second time, that > second time I would be taken to the correct place. Most > people would > not have tried it a second time. > > 7) The current system sometimes generates duplicate > messages to the > mailing list. > > 8) Gatewaying confuses a large number of the mailing list > members. > Sometimes they try to answer the question being posed on > the message > board, but they are only sending their answer to the > mailing list > members. The person who asked the question doesn't > always see a helpful > answer. > > 9) As one member complained, somedays there are a lot of > these messages > that have to be deleted. For those who check mail once a > day, that is > not a problem. For those whose computers alert them to the > fact that > there is an incoming email, checking to see what that mail > is, then > deleting it is not much of a problem. But, the large > number of > gatewayed messages on some days can mean checking many > extra times. I > suspect that some people find that to be annoying. > > 10) Unlike in past years, the mailing list Archives no > longer shows who > wrote most of the emails, because the ones that are > gatewayed don't list > a sender or their email address. They just list a > "handle" of seemingly > nonsense letters which usually makes it impossible to > recognize the > sender's name. That means that it will be harder or > impossible to > contact the sender when a genealogist finds an interesting > message in > the mailing list's Archives. > > That is a lot of negatives. You may think of others. > > Despite all of these negatives, a small percentage of list > members are > no doubt being helped, and a higher percentage don't > want to miss the > chance that a message board message might help. But, this > can be > resolved a different way. A line could be added at the > bottom of each > email from the mailing list that tells how to reach the > message board. > And an email reminder could be sent every two or three > months to the > mailing list suggesting that we check the message board. > People who > use a message board usually ask to be notified when someone > replies to > their message. So, it would not be harmful to the list > member if they > didn't read the message on the day it was written. > > I believe the negatives of gatewaying much outweigh the > positives. > However, the list administrator knows things about the > mailing list and > message board that few of us know. She knows how she would > like things > to operate, what would be easy and reasonable for her, and > what would be > best for the mailing list. I think she is in the best > position to make > the decision. > > I don't care one way or the other. I just tried to > present an analysis > of the situation. > > Cliff Lamere

Tim, Try this data out for size. Printed from Family Tree Maker, DC 132: Selected NY Revolutionary War Records, 1775-1840, Commissioners for Conspiracies, Volume I, Manuscript minutes - September 1779 (C) The Learning Company, Inc., July 5, 2008 At pate 416 " 1779, Sept. 18. Met Albany 18th September 1779 Present Jeremiah Van Renselaer, Isaac D. Fonda, and John M. Beekman Col. Schonhoven & Major Taylor proffered a Verbal Complaint to this Board against old John Conklin & *DANIEL NETTLETON *Daniel Frazer Jacob Wiltcee John Mud Conklin James Van Driesen Long John Conklin Tunis Van Camp John Nessley Barent Nessley Jonathan Lossing John todd Joseph Nap & John Coghlin. [I'll let the readers add the comas - LBP] Some of whom are prisoners of War that the[y] have the Greatest Reason to Believe they are in League with the Scouting parties of the enemy & that if some Remedy is not devised that the Whole Whig party of the Inhabitants will be Necessitated to Remove Numbers of them that have Exerted themselves in the present war are at present Compelld to procure private Guards to Secure their person & Property from the Violence of the Tories & other are th[r]ough Dread Obliged to betake themselves at Night to the Woods- Resolved that Col. Schonhoven and Major Taylor be informed that this Board will take the Same into Consideration & Afford them all the Assistance in their Power toward punishing the Said persons & endeavouring effectually to put it out of their Power to give them any Disturbances in the future -" James A. Roberts, Comptroller of the State of New York published a book entitled, *New York in the Revolution as Colony and State. *In Volume I of Roberts' book at page 137 - a man named *AMOS NETTLETON* is listed as serving as an enlisted man in the Second Regiment of the Dutchess County Militia. Unfortunately, Roberts did not give us dates of service for the militiamen. He just gave us the list of names of men, whom the State of New York paid for military service. Please be advised that I do not know enough about Dutchess County to tell you from which Dtuchess County tax district the Second Regiment was raised. However, county militia regiments were raised from specific municipal subdivision within each county. So the members of each regiment were neighbors in civilian life. (This geographic enlistment policy was not changed until after the Civil War.) I can tell form which tax district each of the 17 Albany County Militia Regiments were raised, but that is not going to help you, unfortunately. You might try posting a query with the Dutchess County e-mail list. Maybe some on there might be able to help you. The small amount of research that I have done in Dutchess County has left me with the impression that their land records are in "good shape" relatively speaking. Leslie fenton wrote: > Hi Leslie: > Your absolutely right. I believe my great grandfather's Amos and Daniel Nettleton were at some point located in Duchess County, New York after leaving Conn. Both men's children were born in New York, but not in Ren..... County. Amos and Daniel were brothers. > Thanks for the great information. Now I have something to work with. > Tim > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Leslie B. Potter <lbpotter@comcast.net> > To: nyrensse@rootsweb.com > Sent: Friday, July 4, 2008 9:01:28 AM > Subject: Re: [NYRENSSE] Census and Tax Accessments > > Tim, > > You are welcome. I also apologize for my typos. I should know better > than to try to post anything when I am not wearing my reading glasses. > > Let me add one additional thought to my answer to your question. In my > research into the civilian population of the Saratoga Tax District of > Albany County, NY between 1764 and 1777, I have discovered that a number > of the early settlers from Connecticut lived in Dutchess County before > moving north to the Saratoga Tax District of Albany County. So you > might want to consider the possibility that your ancestor did not go > directly from Connecticut to that section of Albany County which is now > Rensselaer County, NY. (Please note that the Saratoga Tax District was > comprised of parts of present day *WASHINGTON*, *WARREN* and Saratoga > Counties.) > > Leslie > > fenton wrote: > >> Leslie: >> Interesting answer but nevertheless answers my question. Thanks for the interesting information. I'm located in Canada so this has been very helpful >> Thank you >> Tim >> >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: Leslie B. Potter <lbpotter@comcast.net> >> To: nyrensse@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Thursday, July 3, 2008 11:00:06 PM >> Subject: Re: [NYRENSSE] Census and Tax Accessments >> >> Tim, >> >> The 1779 Tax records for Albany County, NY are available. I have >> transcribed and posted the 1779 Schaghticoke and Hoosick Tax District, >> Albany County tax lists on the Rensselaer County Gen Web site. >> (Rensselaer County was part of Albany County before February 7, 1791.) >> The remainder of the extant Albany County tax lists are available at >> the New York State Library and the New York State Archives in Albany, NY. >> >> In Pennsylvania we have are tax list from 1686 to present depending the >> county. I have worked with Connecticut deeds and mortgages, so I assume >> that their tax records may well have survived to the present day also. >> However, the answer to your question is going to depend how many of the >> records in the jurisdiction in which your ancestor lived prior to >> settling in Rensselaer County have survived. You are just going to have >> to check in the municipal subdivision in which you believe your ancestor >> lived. There is no easy one size fits all answer. >> >> Leslie >> >> >> fenton wrote: >> >> >>> Would anyone know if there were any census or tax accessements prior to the national census of 1790? I'm trying to find out where my 6th great grandfather was prior to going to Ren... County from Conn. >>> Thank you >>> Tim >>> >>> ====NY-RENSSE Mailing List==== >>> Check out the mailing list's website at: >>> http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYRensse/ >>> Add/check you Rensselaer County surnames on the surname registry at: >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyrenss2/ >>> (under Links) >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYRENSSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> >> ====NY-RENSSE Mailing List==== >> Check out the mailing list's website at: >> http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYRensse/ >> Add/check you Rensselaer County surnames on the surname registry at: >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyrenss2/ >> (under Links) >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYRENSSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ====NY-RENSSE Mailing List==== >> Check out the mailing list's website at: >> http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYRensse/ >> Add/check you Rensselaer County surnames on the surname registry at: >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyrenss2/ >> (under Links) >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYRENSSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > ====NY-RENSSE Mailing List==== > Check out the mailing list's website at: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYRensse/ > Add/check you Rensselaer County surnames on the surname registry at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyrenss2/ > (under Links) > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYRENSSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ====NY-RENSSE Mailing List==== > Check out the mailing list's website at: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYRensse/ > Add/check you Rensselaer County surnames on the surname registry at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyrenss2/ > (under Links) > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYRENSSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi Leslie: Your absolutely right.  I believe my great grandfather's Amos and Daniel Nettleton were at some point located in Duchess County, New York after leaving Conn. Both men's children were born in New York, but not in Ren..... County.  Amos and Daniel were brothers. Thanks for the great information.  Now I have something to work with. Tim ----- Original Message ---- From: Leslie B. Potter <lbpotter@comcast.net> To: nyrensse@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, July 4, 2008 9:01:28 AM Subject: Re: [NYRENSSE] Census and Tax Accessments Tim, You are welcome.  I also apologize for my typos.  I should know better than to try to post anything when I am not wearing my reading glasses. Let me add one additional thought to my answer to your question.  In my research into the civilian population of the Saratoga Tax District of Albany County, NY between 1764 and 1777, I have discovered that a number of the early settlers from Connecticut lived in Dutchess County before moving north to the Saratoga Tax District of Albany County.  So you might want to consider the possibility that your ancestor did not go directly from Connecticut to that section of Albany County which is now Rensselaer County, NY.  (Please note that the Saratoga Tax District was comprised of parts of present day *WASHINGTON*, *WARREN* and Saratoga Counties.) Leslie fenton wrote: > Leslie: > Interesting answer but nevertheless answers my question.  Thanks for the interesting information.  I'm located in Canada so this has been very helpful > Thank you > Tim > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Leslie B. Potter <lbpotter@comcast.net> > To: nyrensse@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, July 3, 2008 11:00:06 PM > Subject: Re: [NYRENSSE] Census and Tax Accessments > > Tim, > > The 1779 Tax records for Albany County, NY are available.  I have > transcribed and posted the 1779 Schaghticoke and Hoosick Tax District, > Albany County tax lists on the Rensselaer County Gen Web site.  > (Rensselaer County was part of Albany County before February 7, 1791.)  > The remainder of  the extant Albany County tax lists are available at > the New York State Library and the New York State Archives in Albany, NY. > > In Pennsylvania we have are tax list from 1686 to present depending the > county.  I have worked with Connecticut deeds and mortgages, so I assume > that their tax records may well have survived to the present day also.  > However, the answer to your question is going to depend how many of the > records in the jurisdiction in which your ancestor lived prior to > settling in Rensselaer County have survived.  You are just going to have > to check in the municipal subdivision in which you believe your ancestor > lived.  There is no easy one size fits all answer. > > Leslie > > > fenton wrote: >  >> Would anyone know if there were any census or tax accessements prior to the national census of 1790?  I'm trying to find out where my 6th great grandfather was prior to going to Ren... County from Conn. >> Thank you >> Tim >> >> ====NY-RENSSE Mailing List==== >> Check out the mailing list's website at: >> http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYRensse/ >> Add/check you Rensselaer County surnames on the surname registry at: >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyrenss2/ >> (under Links) >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYRENSSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >>  >>    > > ====NY-RENSSE Mailing List==== > Check out the mailing list's website at: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYRensse/ > Add/check you Rensselaer County surnames on the surname registry at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyrenss2/ > (under Links) > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYRENSSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ====NY-RENSSE Mailing List==== > Check out the mailing list's website at: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYRensse/ > Add/check you Rensselaer County surnames on the surname registry at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyrenss2/ > (under Links) > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYRENSSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >  ====NY-RENSSE Mailing List==== Check out the mailing list's website at: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYRensse/ Add/check you Rensselaer County surnames on the surname registry at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyrenss2/ (under Links) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYRENSSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The list administrator asked our opinion about whether to keep the gateway system, so I have tried to evaluate it. Nobody has said anything negative about this system, so let me be the first. I'm not trying to talk anyone into abondoning the system. I just offer some facts to weigh. Here are some reasons why people might not like it. 1) You can't tell who wrote the gatewayed email (not even your own) without opening it. They all come from "gc-gateway". It is fairly important to know who wrote the email. For example, if Pat Connors writes an email, I will always open it no matter what the subject is. 2) People seldom use even their first name at the end of a gatewayed message, so you don't know who wrote the message, which makes them definitely less personal. 3) Most of the time you don't know, and can't learn, the email address of the sender, so you can't answer privately. 4) You can read the gatewayed email, but the previous message is not included in it. It is therefore very often hard to understand the answer. When a subject has several respondents at once, you just can't tell to what the incoming email is responding. Even if there is only one respondent that day, you still can't tell what they were answering. This becomes even worse when the question was posted several days, weeks, or months earlier (as is often the case with message boards). This kind of confusion is avoided by using the message board the way it was intended; by visiting it. 5) Gatewaying forces you to go online and do some research if you want to understand many of the emails. 6) BUT, when I tried to do that twice in the past three days, the link to the online message took me to a screen advertising Ancestry instead of to the message board. I did learn that if I closed the browser window and clicked on the email link in the message a second time, that second time I would be taken to the correct place. Most people would not have tried it a second time. 7) The current system sometimes generates duplicate messages to the mailing list. 8) Gatewaying confuses a large number of the mailing list members. Sometimes they try to answer the question being posed on the message board, but they are only sending their answer to the mailing list members. The person who asked the question doesn't always see a helpful answer. 9) As one member complained, somedays there are a lot of these messages that have to be deleted. For those who check mail once a day, that is not a problem. For those whose computers alert them to the fact that there is an incoming email, checking to see what that mail is, then deleting it is not much of a problem. But, the large number of gatewayed messages on some days can mean checking many extra times. I suspect that some people find that to be annoying. 10) Unlike in past years, the mailing list Archives no longer shows who wrote most of the emails, because the ones that are gatewayed don't list a sender or their email address. They just list a "handle" of seemingly nonsense letters which usually makes it impossible to recognize the sender's name. That means that it will be harder or impossible to contact the sender when a genealogist finds an interesting message in the mailing list's Archives. That is a lot of negatives. You may think of others. Despite all of these negatives, a small percentage of list members are no doubt being helped, and a higher percentage don't want to miss the chance that a message board message might help. But, this can be resolved a different way. A line could be added at the bottom of each email from the mailing list that tells how to reach the message board. And an email reminder could be sent every two or three months to the mailing list suggesting that we check the message board. People who use a message board usually ask to be notified when someone replies to their message. So, it would not be harmful to the list member if they didn't read the message on the day it was written. I believe the negatives of gatewaying much outweigh the positives. However, the list administrator knows things about the mailing list and message board that few of us know. She knows how she would like things to operate, what would be easy and reasonable for her, and what would be best for the mailing list. I think she is in the best position to make the decision. I don't care one way or the other. I just tried to present an analysis of the situation. Cliff Lamere ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Pat Connors wrote: >Side note from admin: I believe a couple of years ago, as a list, we >decided we wanted to be gatewayed to the message board. If a majority >of the list would like to change this, I am open to a discussion. >Thanks Cliff for the explanation. Also, if you don't want to read a >message, you can just delete it. > > > > >>taking place on a message board. It has been arranged so that this >>mailing list also receives the message board messages (they are >>"gatewayed" to the mailing list). >> >> >> > > >

Tim, You are welcome. I also apologize for my typos. I should know better than to try to post anything when I am not wearing my reading glasses. Let me add one additional thought to my answer to your question. In my research into the civilian population of the Saratoga Tax District of Albany County, NY between 1764 and 1777, I have discovered that a number of the early settlers from Connecticut lived in Dutchess County before moving north to the Saratoga Tax District of Albany County. So you might want to consider the possibility that your ancestor did not go directly from Connecticut to that section of Albany County which is now Rensselaer County, NY. (Please note that the Saratoga Tax District was comprised of parts of present day *WASHINGTON*, *WARREN* and Saratoga Counties.) Leslie fenton wrote: > Leslie: > Interesting answer but nevertheless answers my question. Thanks for the interesting information. I'm located in Canada so this has been very helpful > Thank you > Tim > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Leslie B. Potter <lbpotter@comcast.net> > To: nyrensse@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, July 3, 2008 11:00:06 PM > Subject: Re: [NYRENSSE] Census and Tax Accessments > > Tim, > > The 1779 Tax records for Albany County, NY are available. I have > transcribed and posted the 1779 Schaghticoke and Hoosick Tax District, > Albany County tax lists on the Rensselaer County Gen Web site. > (Rensselaer County was part of Albany County before February 7, 1791.) > The remainder of the extant Albany County tax lists are available at > the New York State Library and the New York State Archives in Albany, NY. > > In Pennsylvania we have are tax list from 1686 to present depending the > county. I have worked with Connecticut deeds and mortgages, so I assume > that their tax records may well have survived to the present day also. > However, the answer to your question is going to depend how many of the > records in the jurisdiction in which your ancestor lived prior to > settling in Rensselaer County have survived. You are just going to have > to check in the municipal subdivision in which you believe your ancestor > lived. There is no easy one size fits all answer. > > Leslie > > > fenton wrote: > >> Would anyone know if there were any census or tax accessements prior to the national census of 1790? I'm trying to find out where my 6th great grandfather was prior to going to Ren... County from Conn. >> Thank you >> Tim >> >> ====NY-RENSSE Mailing List==== >> Check out the mailing list's website at: >> http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYRensse/ >> Add/check you Rensselaer County surnames on the surname registry at: >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyrenss2/ >> (under Links) >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYRENSSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > ====NY-RENSSE Mailing List==== > Check out the mailing list's website at: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYRensse/ > Add/check you Rensselaer County surnames on the surname registry at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyrenss2/ > (under Links) > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYRENSSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ====NY-RENSSE Mailing List==== > Check out the mailing list's website at: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYRensse/ > Add/check you Rensselaer County surnames on the surname registry at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyrenss2/ > (under Links) > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYRENSSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Yes Please keep it the way it is, Pat Sharon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martha Johnson" <mjohnson049@columbus.rr.com> To: <nyrensse@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 4:02 PM Subject: Re: [NYRENSSE] ADMIN Re: Reply or Reply All >I like the list the way it is. I am all for getting more > information anyway we can. Not all people who would post to message > board are members of this list, thus we might miss out on something > of interest to our research. > > BTW, I am researching the name McCorkle ( Thomas and Susan) from > Troy... He fought in Civil War. > > Martha > > ====NY-RENSSE Mailing List==== > Check out the mailing list's website at: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYRensse/ > Add/check you Rensselaer County surnames on the surname registry at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyrenss2/ > (under Links) > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYRENSSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Tim, The 1779 Tax records for Albany County, NY are available. I have transcribed and posted the 1779 Schaghticoke and Hoosick Tax District, Albany County tax lists on the Rensselaer County Gen Web site. (Rensselaer County was part of Albany County before February 7, 1791.) The remainder of the extant Albany County tax lists are available at the New York State Library and the New York State Archives in Albany, NY. In Pennsylvania we have are tax list from 1686 to present depending the county. I have worked with Connecticut deeds and mortgages, so I assume that their tax records may well have survived to the present day also. However, the answer to your question is going to depend how many of the records in the jurisdiction in which your ancestor lived prior to settling in Rensselaer County have survived. You are just going to have to check in the municipal subdivision in which you believe your ancestor lived. There is no easy one size fits all answer. Leslie fenton wrote: > Would anyone know if there were any census or tax accessements prior to the national census of 1790? I'm trying to find out where my 6th great grandfather was prior to going to Ren... County from Conn. > Thank you > Tim > > ====NY-RENSSE Mailing List==== > Check out the mailing list's website at: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYRensse/ > Add/check you Rensselaer County surnames on the surname registry at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyrenss2/ > (under Links) > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYRENSSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

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Leslie: Interesting answer but nevertheless answers my question.  Thanks for the interesting information.  I'm located in Canada so this has been very helpful Thank you Tim ----- Original Message ---- From: Leslie B. Potter <lbpotter@comcast.net> To: nyrensse@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, July 3, 2008 11:00:06 PM Subject: Re: [NYRENSSE] Census and Tax Accessments Tim, The 1779 Tax records for Albany County, NY are available.  I have transcribed and posted the 1779 Schaghticoke and Hoosick Tax District, Albany County tax lists on the Rensselaer County Gen Web site.  (Rensselaer County was part of Albany County before February 7, 1791.)  The remainder of  the extant Albany County tax lists are available at the New York State Library and the New York State Archives in Albany, NY. In Pennsylvania we have are tax list from 1686 to present depending the county.  I have worked with Connecticut deeds and mortgages, so I assume that their tax records may well have survived to the present day also.  However, the answer to your question is going to depend how many of the records in the jurisdiction in which your ancestor lived prior to settling in Rensselaer County have survived.  You are just going to have to check in the municipal subdivision in which you believe your ancestor lived.  There is no easy one size fits all answer. Leslie fenton wrote: > Would anyone know if there were any census or tax accessements prior to the national census of 1790?  I'm trying to find out where my 6th great grandfather was prior to going to Ren... County from Conn. > Thank you > Tim > > ====NY-RENSSE Mailing List==== > Check out the mailing list's website at: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYRensse/ > Add/check you Rensselaer County surnames on the surname registry at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyrenss2/ > (under Links) > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYRENSSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >  ====NY-RENSSE Mailing List==== Check out the mailing list's website at: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYRensse/ Add/check you Rensselaer County surnames on the surname registry at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyrenss2/ (under Links) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYRENSSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I like the list the way it is. I am all for getting more information anyway we can. Not all people who would post to message board are members of this list, thus we might miss out on something of interest to our research. BTW, I am researching the name McCorkle ( Thomas and Susan) from Troy... He fought in Civil War. Martha

I vote to keep it this way! -----Original Message----- From: nyrensse-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nyrensse-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Connors Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 12:56 PM To: nyrensse@rootsweb.com Subject: [NYRENSSE] ADMIN Re: Reply or Reply All Side note from admin: I believe a couple of years ago, as a list, we decided we wanted to be gatewayed to the message board. If a majority of the list would like to change this, I am open to a discussion. Thanks Cliff for the explanation. Also, if you don't want to read a message, you can just delete it. > taking place on a message board. It has been arranged so that this > mailing list also receives the message board messages (they are > "gatewayed" to the mailing list). > -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA, list admin http://www.connorsgenealogy.com ====NY-RENSSE Mailing List==== Check out the mailing list's website at: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYRensse/ Add/check you Rensselaer County surnames on the surname registry at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyrenss2/ (under Links) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYRENSSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message