Thanks, what I wrote is all I have, I really think the one near her in IOWA has to be kin. There are many in Rensselaer, NY some Saratoga and many in Bennington VT area. NO response but those with odd dates. But I do beleive her birthdate off. Susi ************** Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)

There is a Mattison Family in Wayne County, are they related? ----- Original Message ----- From: <SusiCP@aol.com> To: <nyrensse@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 6:56 PM Subject: [NYRENSSE] MADISON MATTISON kin > NOyes JONES b Rensselaer Co Petersburgh NY m Susan MADISON/MATTISON around > 1832 supposedly in MASS not found proof. After 1855 they moved to ILL, > McHenry > Co. town of NUNDA. After CW they moved to Chickasaw area Iowa. They died > their. A George Mattison was next to them in one late census believe it > was > 1870. I suspect he was sibling of Susan but no record can be found of him > in any > census before or after either. > > Susan was born in ?? depending on census and child: MASS< VT < NH < NY>> > I suspect her birth date on tombstone wrong. Says 1818 but wonder if > it > was 1808. > > HELP please Susi Jones Pentico > SusiCP@aol.com or SusiCP@cox.net > > > ************** > Gas prices getting you down? > Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. > > (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) > ====NY-RENSSE Mailing List==== > Check out the mailing list's website at: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYRensse/ > Don't forget the Rensselaer County Message Board: > http://boards.rootsweb.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYRENSSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

> I have my e-mail set up to send "all" gatewayed > messages right to my trash folder where it gets > deleted automatically. > Kelly --- J Stout <stoutfam@hotmail.com> wrote: > > I don't like the gatewayed messages. You don't know > who the person is. For that reason I almost always > delete them without bothering to read them, the > title of this one being the only reason that I > looked. They are an irritation and close to spam. > I already opted out of one board because I found > myself being overwhelmed with a sheer number of > these, many of which was due to someone who didn't > appear to realize that their query went through the > first time. > > > > > From: SusiCP@aol.com > > Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 15:29:58 -0400 > > To: nyrensse@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [NYRENSSE] The negatives of gatewayed > messages > > > > Cliff, What an astute assessment. I do not mind > the gated messages but you > > are correct and maybe a reminder to check there > would be better and less > > cluttered unanswerable emails would occur. > > > > Susi > > > > > > ************** > > Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for > > fuel-efficient used cars. > > > (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) > > ====NY-RENSSE Mailing List==== > > Check out the mailing list's website at: > > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYRensse/ > > Don't forget the Rensselaer County Message Board: > http://boards.rootsweb.com/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to NYRENSSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > > _________________________________________________________________ > Need to know now? Get instant answers with Windows > Live Messenger. > http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_messenger_072008 > ====NY-RENSSE Mailing List==== > Check out the mailing list's website at: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYRensse/ > Don't forget the Rensselaer County Message Board: > http://boards.rootsweb.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to NYRENSSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message >

I have to agree with Cliff. Since I have been with this group, I have opened almost everything I have ever received--for 4 years! Only once did I find something that made a difference and that difference was so profound--connected me to generations of my mother's family (I still exchange a yearly email or two with the distant "cuz" who revealed our relationship)---that I have read everything posted since. I am really grateful for that information. But I am getting weary. How about QUESTIONS TO ALL, REPLIES TO ONE. That should be the motto and whatever will bring that procedure about will bring gratitude from me. Dot Keith in Cincinnati. On Jul 5, 2008, at 3:02 AM, Cliff Lamere wrote: > The list administrator asked our opinion about whether to keep the > gateway system, so I have tried to evaluate it. Nobody has said > anything negative about this system, so let me be the first. > > I'm not trying to talk anyone into abondoning the system. I just > offer > some facts to weigh. Here are some reasons why people might not > like it. > > 1) You can't tell who wrote the gatewayed email (not even your own) > without opening it. They all come from "gc-gateway". It is fairly > important to know who wrote the email. For example, if Pat Connors > writes an email, I will always open it no matter what the subject is. > > 2) People seldom use even their first name at the end of a gatewayed > message, so you don't know who wrote the message, which makes them > definitely less personal. > > 3) Most of the time you don't know, and can't learn, the email > address > of the sender, so you can't answer privately. > > 4) You can read the gatewayed email, but the previous message is not > included in it. It is therefore very often hard to understand the > answer. When a subject has several respondents at once, you just > can't > tell to what the incoming email is responding. Even if there is only > one respondent that day, you still can't tell what they were > answering. > This becomes even worse when the question was posted several days, > weeks, or months earlier (as is often the case with message boards). > This kind of confusion is avoided by using the message board the > way it > was intended; by visiting it. > > 5) Gatewaying forces you to go online and do some research if you > want > to understand many of the emails. > > 6) BUT, when I tried to do that twice in the past three days, the > link > to the online message took me to a screen advertising Ancestry instead > of to the message board. I did learn that if I closed the browser > window and clicked on the email link in the message a second time, > that > second time I would be taken to the correct place. Most people would > not have tried it a second time. > > 7) The current system sometimes generates duplicate messages to the > mailing list. > > 8) Gatewaying confuses a large number of the mailing list members. > Sometimes they try to answer the question being posed on the message > board, but they are only sending their answer to the mailing list > members. The person who asked the question doesn't always see a > helpful > answer. > > 9) As one member complained, somedays there are a lot of these > messages > that have to be deleted. For those who check mail once a day, that is > not a problem. For those whose computers alert them to the fact that > there is an incoming email, checking to see what that mail is, then > deleting it is not much of a problem. But, the large number of > gatewayed messages on some days can mean checking many extra times. I > suspect that some people find that to be annoying. > > 10) Unlike in past years, the mailing list Archives no longer > shows who > wrote most of the emails, because the ones that are gatewayed don't > list > a sender or their email address. They just list a "handle" of > seemingly > nonsense letters which usually makes it impossible to recognize the > sender's name. That means that it will be harder or impossible to > contact the sender when a genealogist finds an interesting message in > the mailing list's Archives. > > That is a lot of negatives. You may think of others. > > Despite all of these negatives, a small percentage of list members are > no doubt being helped, and a higher percentage don't want to miss the > chance that a message board message might help. But, this can be > resolved a different way. A line could be added at the bottom of each > email from the mailing list that tells how to reach the message board. > And an email reminder could be sent every two or three months to the > mailing list suggesting that we check the message board. People who > use a message board usually ask to be notified when someone replies to > their message. So, it would not be harmful to the list member if they > didn't read the message on the day it was written. > > I believe the negatives of gatewaying much outweigh the positives. > However, the list administrator knows things about the mailing list > and > message board that few of us know. She knows how she would like > things > to operate, what would be easy and reasonable for her, and what > would be > best for the mailing list. I think she is in the best position to > make > the decision. > > I don't care one way or the other. I just tried to present an > analysis > of the situation. > > Cliff Lamere > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Pat Connors wrote: > >> Side note from admin: I believe a couple of years ago, as a list, we >> decided we wanted to be gatewayed to the message board. If a >> majority >> of the list would like to change this, I am open to a discussion. >> Thanks Cliff for the explanation. Also, if you don't want to read a >> message, you can just delete it. >> >> >> >> >>> taking place on a message board. It has been arranged so that this >>> mailing list also receives the message board messages (they are >>> "gatewayed" to the mailing list). >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > ====NY-RENSSE Mailing List==== > Check out the mailing list's website at: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYRensse/ > Add/check you Rensselaer County surnames on the surname registry at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyrenss2/ > (under Links) > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYRENSSE- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

I hope you do not do that --- I very definitely vote for the boards and do not want to go in and check every single message that way. That is why I have these emails. Jackie **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)

Cliff sorry I totally disagree with ALL your assessments. It is easy to go on line and answer a message. If you do not want to read these messages all you have to do is delete them. I have found a lot of people researching my lines on these gatewayed messages and do not see it a problem at all. Jackie Horton **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)

I think we miss out a lot on NOT HAVING the boards gatewayed. My vote is keep them. Jackie Horton **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)

Susi, Let me nominate some possible candidates, who might have have been the father of a son, who was born "near Albany" in 1785. The following men with the surname of Jones appeared in the following Albany County tax lists between 1779 and 1789. David - 1787 Ballstown District Enoch - 1787 Ballstown District Enor - 1788 Ballstown District James - 1788 Half Moon District/resident Joseph - 1786 Saratoga District - west Joshua - 1787 Ballstown District; 1788 Ballstown District Joshua, Jr. - 1788 Ballstown District Nathaniel - 1788 Ballstown District Samuel - 1786 Half Moon District and 1788 Half Moon District Samuel - 1788 Ballstown District Thomas - 1787 Ballstown District Lebelon - 1779 Hoosick The Ballstown District, Saratoga District-west, and the Half Moon District are all located in present day Saratoga County, NY. The Hoosick, Schaghticoke, and Rensselaer Manor Tax Districts are located in present day Rensselaer County, NY. The Saratoga-East and the Cambridge Tax Districts are located in present day Washington County, NY. This is a list of Albany County Tax Districts from the Records of John N. Bleecker found in the Lansing Papers in the New York State Library, Albany, NY. The Districts with an * next to the name might conceivably be described as "being near" Albany. However, there might be others as well, depending on how you define "near". New York State Library call number: KT 13324 GY Lansing Papers Box 1 file 2 Name of District First Ward of the City of Albany Second Ward of the City of Albany Third Ward of The City of Albany *Manor of Ranselear District Manor of Livingston District Claverach District Schohary & c. District *Schonectady District Coxhachy District Kinderhook District *Saratoga District *Schachtakook District *Hosack District German Camp District Great Inboght District *Half Moon District *Cambridge District Kings District *Ballstown District */Please note that the spelling of each place name in the above list is the exact spelling that Mr. Bleecker actually used./* Hope that this helps, Leslie SusiCP@aol.com wrote: > NOEL JONES b 1785 near Albany?? is mar to Susannah according to Petersburg > court records and they are parents of NOYES JONES. > > I am looking for his parents. > > Please do not be afraid some of my JONES lines have been relatively easy > compared to other lines. > > Does anyone have data on the SILAS JONES Sr family. YES each child and their > children. > > I am suspecting Abel or Solomon as the parent of NOEL. I thought NOEL(Silas > son) was for a long time but it appears not to be the case. > > Some one tells me that there was a NOEL in SARATOGA, I am not finding data. I > am also looking in Washington Co. Since this was all Old Albany in the > beginning. > > I have data on NOEL b 1812 son of another person. > > My NOYES JONES also had a NOEL b 1835 in MASS whom supposedly died by 1860. > I can find nothing on this son either. > > Any help appreicated. > > Susi Jones Pentico > > > > > ************** > Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for > fuel-efficient used cars. > (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) > ====NY-RENSSE Mailing List==== > Check out the mailing list's website at: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYRensse/ > Don't forget the Rensselaer County Message Board: http://boards.rootsweb.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYRENSSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Cliff, Thank you for those kind words. However, whenever I post something, I am always acutely aware of the fact that I am NOT a genealogist, that I make NO claim to be a genealogist, and that I do NOT think like a genealogist. So I always figure that I am skating on 'thin ice' as far as genealogical community is concerned. Leslie Cliff Lamere wrote: > Leslie, > > I never find your conversations boring. You know things about the local > geography and history that few list members know, and you include that > kind of information when you are giving an answer. Your answers are far > from boring. > > [I changed the subject line because my answer was not about gatewaying.] > > Cliff > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Leslie B. Potter wrote: > > >> Cliff: >> >> As you have noted when I botched replying to a query last winter, I am >> technologically challenged. So reason number 8 voices my concerns. I >> could not figure out what I was doing wrong even after you had tried to >> explain it to me. So I did not bother to try to respond again even >> though I had data on point for that particular query. Oh, well! >> >> For the last few days, I have been corresponding back and forth with >> another list member regarding how to figure out where his ancestors >> lived prior to settling in Rensselaer County, NY after the Rev. War. No >> doubt this conversation is boring most list members to death, but then >> just maybe someone else might find it useful. Everyone has a delete >> button, which I feel they should all learn to use. >> >> Leslie >> >> >> >> >> >> > ====NY-RENSSE Mailing List==== > Check out the mailing list's website at: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYRensse/ > Don't forget the Rensselaer County Message Board: http://boards.rootsweb.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYRENSSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

NOyes JONES b Rensselaer Co Petersburgh NY m Susan MADISON/MATTISON around 1832 supposedly in MASS not found proof. After 1855 they moved to ILL, McHenry Co. town of NUNDA. After CW they moved to Chickasaw area Iowa. They died their. A George Mattison was next to them in one late census believe it was 1870. I suspect he was sibling of Susan but no record can be found of him in any census before or after either. Susan was born in ?? depending on census and child: MASS< VT < NH < NY>> I suspect her birth date on tombstone wrong. Says 1818 but wonder if it was 1808. HELP please Susi Jones Pentico SusiCP@aol.com or SusiCP@cox.net ************** Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)

NOEL JONES b 1785 near Albany?? is mar to Susannah according to Petersburg court records and they are parents of NOYES JONES. I am looking for his parents. Please do not be afraid some of my JONES lines have been relatively easy compared to other lines. Does anyone have data on the SILAS JONES Sr family. YES each child and their children. I am suspecting Abel or Solomon as the parent of NOEL. I thought NOEL(Silas son) was for a long time but it appears not to be the case. Some one tells me that there was a NOEL in SARATOGA, I am not finding data. I am also looking in Washington Co. Since this was all Old Albany in the beginning. I have data on NOEL b 1812 son of another person. My NOYES JONES also had a NOEL b 1835 in MASS whom supposedly died by 1860. I can find nothing on this son either. Any help appreicated. Susi Jones Pentico ************** Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)

Pat the worst we can do is try it and if it gets to dead go back to listing the boards. Thanks for all you do.. Susi ************** Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)

Thank you Cliff for putting that so concisely. I've voted no every time this question has been raised but I've always been voted down. I finally gave up and assumed that it was probably my inability to express my displeasure with gatewaying adequately. You put it perfectly. And thank you Pat, for your rapid response. I now know I can at least read the Rensselaer list cleanly. I'll save Cliff's response for the next time this matter is raised on another list. Warm regards to all! Jim Groat

If you belong to the Albany list, when I took the admin job for it a couple of years ago, I closed the gateway and got yelled at so we took a vote and the ayes won. I, personally, don't like the gateway, either, but I go with the group. > I'll save Cliff's response for the next time this matter is raised on another list. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

Jeff Scism wrote: > AS a list owner in the Rootsweb system, I see both sides of the Gateway > issue. > > The ultimate decision is Cliff's to make. > Sorry should say "listowner's" Jeff -- Jeffery G. Scism, IBSSG ~~ "No one more sincerely wishes the spread of information among mankind than I do, and none has greater confidence in its effect towards supporting free and good government." -- Thomas Jefferson (letter to Trustees for the Lottery of East Tennessee College, 6 May 1810) Reference: The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, Washington, ed., vol. 5 (521) Visit http://ibssg.org/blacksheep/ For the Intl. Blacksheep Society of Genealogists website Putnam County Indiana http://ingenweb.org/inputnam/ Montgomery County Indiana http://ingenweb.org/inmontgomery/bios/ Fountain County Indiana http://ingenweb.org/infountain/

AS a list owner in the Rootsweb system, I see both sides of the Gateway issue. The ultimate decision is Cliff's to make. The Boards 'used to be" a really nice way to get people together, but now they just seem to be oriented to MAKING us go to Ancestry's site to transact the business that is more easily transacted on the mail lists. It is designed to bring you in, get hits on the Ancestry server. People used to find out the messages were going both places and would join the mail lists. Now you don't know who the sender is unless you chose to CLICK Through. Those click through counts equal revenue, because the click-through percentage is leveraged against the ad rates. More clicks, higher ad rates, and $$$$ for Ancestry. This is what pays the rent on these lists, They have to be a positive for the bottom line to make having them worthwhile for the Company. It is a part of the re-branding that recently got implemented, on the websites hosted by TGN. The business is working towards drawing in the most people possible. To quote the USER agreement, "if you don't agree, stop using the service." Jeff

Leslie, I never find your conversations boring. You know things about the local geography and history that few list members know, and you include that kind of information when you are giving an answer. Your answers are far from boring. [I changed the subject line because my answer was not about gatewaying.] Cliff ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Leslie B. Potter wrote: >Cliff: > >As you have noted when I botched replying to a query last winter, I am >technologically challenged. So reason number 8 voices my concerns. I >could not figure out what I was doing wrong even after you had tried to >explain it to me. So I did not bother to try to respond again even >though I had data on point for that particular query. Oh, well! > >For the last few days, I have been corresponding back and forth with >another list member regarding how to figure out where his ancestors >lived prior to settling in Rensselaer County, NY after the Rev. War. No >doubt this conversation is boring most list members to death, but then >just maybe someone else might find it useful. Everyone has a delete >button, which I feel they should all learn to use. > >Leslie > > > > >

Leslie: I will go on the Duchess County list to see if someone out there knows more about my good ole boys, Daniel and Amos Nettleton. The information you provided below is wonderful.  I'm not sure if I understand what it all means but with time and several readings it will make more sense to me. Thanks again for your help, Leslie Tim ----- Original Message ---- From: Leslie B. Potter <lbpotter@comcast.net> To: nyrensse@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, July 5, 2008 11:22:14 AM Subject: Re: [NYRENSSE] Census and Tax Accessments Tim, Try this data out for size. Printed from Family Tree Maker, DC 132: Selected NY Revolutionary War Records, 1775-1840, Commissioners for Conspiracies, Volume I, Manuscript minutes - September 1779 (C) The Learning Company, Inc., July 5, 2008 At pate 416 " 1779, Sept. 18. Met Albany 18th September 1779 Present Jeremiah Van Renselaer, Isaac D. Fonda, and John M. Beekman Col. Schonhoven & Major Taylor proffered a Verbal Complaint to this Board against old John Conklin & *DANIEL NETTLETON *Daniel Frazer Jacob Wiltcee John Mud Conklin James Van Driesen Long John Conklin Tunis Van Camp John Nessley Barent Nessley Jonathan Lossing John todd Joseph Nap & John Coghlin.  [I'll let the readers add the comas - LBP]  Some of whom are prisoners of War that the[y] have the Greatest Reason to Believe they are in League with the Scouting parties of the enemy & that if some Remedy is not devised that the Whole Whig party of the Inhabitants will be Necessitated to Remove Numbers of them that have Exerted themselves in the present war are at present Compelld to procure private Guards to Secure their person & Property from the Violence of the Tories & other are th[r]ough Dread Obliged to betake themselves at Night to the Woods- Resolved that Col. Schonhoven and Major Taylor be informed that this Board will take the Same into Consideration & Afford them all the Assistance in their Power toward punishing the Said persons & endeavouring effectually to put it out of their Power to give them any Disturbances in the future -" James A. Roberts, Comptroller of the State of New York published a book entitled, *New York in the Revolution as Colony and State. *In Volume I of Roberts' book at page 137 - a man named *AMOS NETTLETON* is listed as serving as an enlisted man in the Second Regiment of the Dutchess County Militia.  Unfortunately, Roberts did not give us dates of service for the militiamen.  He just gave us the list of names of men, whom the State of New York paid for military service. Please be advised that I do not know enough about Dutchess County to tell you from which Dtuchess County tax district the Second Regiment was raised.  However, county militia regiments were raised from specific municipal subdivision within each county.  So the members of each regiment were neighbors in civilian life.  (This geographic enlistment policy was not changed until after the Civil War.)  I can tell form which tax district each of the 17 Albany County Militia Regiments were raised, but that is not going to help you, unfortunately. You might try posting a query with the Dutchess County e-mail list.  Maybe some on there might be able to help you.  The small amount of research that I have done in Dutchess County has left me with the impression that their land records are in "good shape" relatively speaking. Leslie fenton wrote: > Hi Leslie: > Your absolutely right.  I believe my great grandfather's Amos and Daniel Nettleton were at some point located in Duchess County, New York after leaving Conn. Both men's children were born in New York, but not in Ren..... County.  Amos and Daniel were brothers. > Thanks for the great information.  Now I have something to work with. > Tim > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Leslie B. Potter <lbpotter@comcast.net> > To: nyrensse@rootsweb.com > Sent: Friday, July 4, 2008 9:01:28 AM > Subject: Re: [NYRENSSE] Census and Tax Accessments > > Tim, > > You are welcome.  I also apologize for my typos.  I should know better > than to try to post anything when I am not wearing my reading glasses. > > Let me add one additional thought to my answer to your question.  In my > research into the civilian population of the Saratoga Tax District of > Albany County, NY between 1764 and 1777, I have discovered that a number > of the early settlers from Connecticut lived in Dutchess County before > moving north to the Saratoga Tax District of Albany County.  So you > might want to consider the possibility that your ancestor did not go > directly from Connecticut to that section of Albany County which is now > Rensselaer County, NY.  (Please note that the Saratoga Tax District was > comprised of parts of present day *WASHINGTON*, *WARREN* and Saratoga > Counties.) > > Leslie > > fenton wrote: >  >> Leslie: >> Interesting answer but nevertheless answers my question.  Thanks for the interesting information.  I'm located in Canada so this has been very helpful >> Thank you >> Tim >> >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: Leslie B. Potter <lbpotter@comcast.net> >> To: nyrensse@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Thursday, July 3, 2008 11:00:06 PM >> Subject: Re: [NYRENSSE] Census and Tax Accessments >> >> Tim, >> >> The 1779 Tax records for Albany County, NY are available.  I have >> transcribed and posted the 1779 Schaghticoke and Hoosick Tax District, >> Albany County tax lists on the Rensselaer County Gen Web site.  >> (Rensselaer County was part of Albany County before February 7, 1791.)  >> The remainder of  the extant Albany County tax lists are available at >> the New York State Library and the New York State Archives in Albany, NY. >> >> In Pennsylvania we have are tax list from 1686 to present depending the >> county.  I have worked with Connecticut deeds and mortgages, so I assume >> that their tax records may well have survived to the present day also.  >> However, the answer to your question is going to depend how many of the >> records in the jurisdiction in which your ancestor lived prior to >> settling in Rensselaer County have survived.  You are just going to have >> to check in the municipal subdivision in which you believe your ancestor >> lived.  There is no easy one size fits all answer. >> >> Leslie >> >> >> fenton wrote: >>  >>    >>> Would anyone know if there were any census or tax accessements prior to the national census of 1790?  I'm trying to find out where my 6th great grandfather was prior to going to Ren... County from Conn. >>> Thank you >>> Tim >>> >>> ====NY-RENSSE Mailing List==== >>> Check out the mailing list's website at: >>> http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYRensse/ >>> Add/check you Rensselaer County surnames on the surname registry at: >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyrenss2/ >>> (under Links) >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYRENSSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>>  >>>    >>>      >> ====NY-RENSSE Mailing List==== >> Check out the mailing list's website at: >> http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYRensse/ >> Add/check you Rensselaer County surnames on the surname registry at: >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyrenss2/ >> (under Links) >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYRENSSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ====NY-RENSSE Mailing List==== >> Check out the mailing list's website at: >> http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYRensse/ >> Add/check you Rensselaer County surnames on the surname registry at: >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyrenss2/ >> (under Links) >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYRENSSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >>  >>    > > ====NY-RENSSE Mailing List==== > Check out the mailing list's website at: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYRensse/ > Add/check you Rensselaer County surnames on the surname registry at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyrenss2/ > (under Links) > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYRENSSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ====NY-RENSSE Mailing List==== > Check out the mailing list's website at: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYRensse/ > Add/check you Rensselaer County surnames on the surname registry at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyrenss2/ > (under Links) > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYRENSSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >  ====NY-RENSSE Mailing List==== Check out the mailing list's website at: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYRensse/ Add/check you Rensselaer County surnames on the surname registry at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyrenss2/ (under Links) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYRENSSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Cliff, What an astute assessment. I do not mind the gated messages but you are correct and maybe a reminder to check there would be better and less cluttered unanswerable emails would occur. Susi ************** Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)

Cliff, Thanks for pointing out some areas where one might not want to receive gateway messages. Em ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cliff Lamere" <clifflamere@nycap.rr.com> To: <nyrensse@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 12:02 AM Subject: [NYRENSSE] The negatives of gatewayed messages > The list administrator asked our opinion about whether to keep the > gateway system, so I have tried to evaluate it. Nobody has said > anything negative about this system, so let me be the first. > > I'm not trying to talk anyone into abondoning the system. I just offer > some facts to weigh. Here are some reasons why people might not like it. > > 1) You can't tell who wrote the gatewayed email (not even your own) > without opening it. They all come from "gc-gateway". It is fairly > important to know who wrote the email. For example, if Pat Connors > writes an email, I will always open it no matter what the subject is. > > 2) People seldom use even their first name at the end of a gatewayed > message, so you don't know who wrote the message, which makes them > definitely less personal. > > 3) Most of the time you don't know, and can't learn, the email address > of the sender, so you can't answer privately. > > 4) You can read the gatewayed email, but the previous message is not > included in it. It is therefore very often hard to understand the > answer. When a subject has several respondents at once, you just can't > tell to what the incoming email is responding. Even if there is only > one respondent that day, you still can't tell what they were answering. > This becomes even worse when the question was posted several days, > weeks, or months earlier (as is often the case with message boards). > This kind of confusion is avoided by using the message board the way it > was intended; by visiting it. > > 5) Gatewaying forces you to go online and do some research if you want > to understand many of the emails. > > 6) BUT, when I tried to do that twice in the past three days, the link > to the online message took me to a screen advertising Ancestry instead > of to the message board. I did learn that if I closed the browser > window and clicked on the email link in the message a second time, that > second time I would be taken to the correct place. Most people would > not have tried it a second time. > > 7) The current system sometimes generates duplicate messages to the > mailing list. > > 8) Gatewaying confuses a large number of the mailing list members. > Sometimes they try to answer the question being posed on the message > board, but they are only sending their answer to the mailing list > members. The person who asked the question doesn't always see a helpful > answer. > > 9) As one member complained, somedays there are a lot of these messages > that have to be deleted. For those who check mail once a day, that is > not a problem. For those whose computers alert them to the fact that > there is an incoming email, checking to see what that mail is, then > deleting it is not much of a problem. But, the large number of > gatewayed messages on some days can mean checking many extra times. I > suspect that some people find that to be annoying. > > 10) Unlike in past years, the mailing list Archives no longer shows who > wrote most of the emails, because the ones that are gatewayed don't list > a sender or their email address. They just list a "handle" of seemingly > nonsense letters which usually makes it impossible to recognize the > sender's name. That means that it will be harder or impossible to > contact the sender when a genealogist finds an interesting message in > the mailing list's Archives. > > That is a lot of negatives. You may think of others. > > Despite all of these negatives, a small percentage of list members are > no doubt being helped, and a higher percentage don't want to miss the > chance that a message board message might help. But, this can be > resolved a different way. A line could be added at the bottom of each > email from the mailing list that tells how to reach the message board. > And an email reminder could be sent every two or three months to the > mailing list suggesting that we check the message board. People who > use a message board usually ask to be notified when someone replies to > their message. So, it would not be harmful to the list member if they > didn't read the message on the day it was written. > > I believe the negatives of gatewaying much outweigh the positives. > However, the list administrator knows things about the mailing list and > message board that few of us know. She knows how she would like things > to operate, what would be easy and reasonable for her, and what would be > best for the mailing list. I think she is in the best position to make > the decision. > > I don't care one way or the other. I just tried to present an analysis > of the situation. > > Cliff Lamere > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Pat Connors wrote: > >>Side note from admin: I believe a couple of years ago, as a list, we >>decided we wanted to be gatewayed to the message board. If a majority >>of the list would like to change this, I am open to a discussion. >>Thanks Cliff for the explanation. Also, if you don't want to read a >>message, you can just delete it. >> >> >> >> >>>taking place on a message board. It has been arranged so that this >>>mailing list also receives the message board messages (they are >>>"gatewayed" to the mailing list). >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > ====NY-RENSSE Mailing List==== > Check out the mailing list's website at: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYRensse/ > Add/check you Rensselaer County surnames on the surname registry at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyrenss2/ > (under Links) > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYRENSSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message