My cousins are MAXWELLs. My immigrant ancestor John Sr. came from Ireland to Philadelphia in early 1740 -- we have the passenger record. By July of that year, he was in Virginia, testifying in Orange Co. that he and his family imported themselves "from Ireland to Philadelphia and from thence into this Colony." In other words, as soon as they arrived in Philadelphia, they hit the Great Wagon Road (think I-81), and migrated to what is now Augusta Co., Virginia. I could wax on extensively about the Virginia research. We clearly connect to the John Sr. who brought his family from Ireland to Virginia in 1740. After that, we're not sure if we connect to John Jr. or to other children of John Sr. Based on the land records, I lean towards all of us connecting to John Jr. We may never figure it out, but from a DNA standpoint, it makes no difference. The point is that the four male MAXWELLs who say they're in this line (and I clearly connect to them) share at least 25 markers. I just checked and see now that more males in my line have been tested -- a total of 10. Most only did 25 markers. I don't know the lineage for six of them, but for the four that I know, they match on 25 markers. I'm confidant that the 25-marker test supports the data that we have for these four, but I'd like to see 37-marker results for the other six. Mary At 09:43 PM 7/14/2008, Cliff Lamere wrote: >Mary, > >You said, "I have distant male cousins whose research is supported >by DNA -- back to about 1740." >Can you explain that? Was it male line or female line? What was >the research that was supported? What was actually proved; that he >was related to a single person or that he was related to a series of people? > >I'm sure others are interested as much as I am. > >Cliff > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >Mary Richardson wrote: > >>Dear Cliff, >> >>You quoted the results of a 12-marker test. I think 12-marker >>tests are worthless. 25-marker tests are certainly better, but I >>much prefer 37-marker tests. At that level and higher (though the >>benefits of higher are marginal), I have distant male cousins whose >>research is supported by DNA -- back to about 1740. Obviously, you >>can't do just a DNA test -- you have to have supporting >>research. And yes, you have to pay up for higher marker tests, but >>I think you're wasting your money if you don't. So yes, I've had a >>positive experience with DNA testing when the participants paid for >>more extensive testing. The trick is getting them to pay up -- as >>a female descendant who can't participant, I volunteer to >>underwrite males' testing...when I'm able to. >> >>Mary Richardson >> >>P.S. The article that you routed us to is about National >>Geographic's Genographic Project, i.e., tracing the early migratory >>routes of humans. You are right -- this doesn't have anything to >>do with Y-DNA testing to find near ancestors.

Cliff, I must say I agree that if you are just wanting to match to the world it is largely a waste of money, especially at the 12 marker level. I got involved in testing when trying to see if I matched up to the St. Kew, Cornwall Miter clan. I paid for test for myself and a male descendent from St. Kew and we failed to have a single match in the 12 marker test. What's more, his historic roots went back to Asia Minor and mine were purely Western Europe and the UK. Of course, as my 'pseudo cousin' pointed out, it only takes one female in the line to 'step out of the house' and it messes up the lineage! I have had a couple of 12 marker matches with folks that I couldn't possibly match up to in recorded history. Brad Miter -----Original Message----- From: nyrensse-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nyrensse-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Cliff Lamere Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 6:11 PM To: NYRENSSE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [NYRENSSE] Is DNA testing worthwhile? I have long been skeptical about the benefits of having a DNA test done for myself. Few genealogists understand much about DNA testing. I taught science for 27 years, but I could not understand how a DNA test would help me with my family tree. I read the websites of many testing companies, but their claims were vague and never mentioned that they would help me identify whether or not I had correctly chosen my 4th greatgrandfather. I phoned Family Tree DNA, but the owner could not assure me that the test could find any ancestors for me. I decided that I would be wasting my money. Later, a genealogy friend brought up the subject after he had participated in a DNA surname study with the same company. After the test was completed, he wrote to me saying the following. "I Hope you haven't been tempted to get one of those DNA tests to show your ancestoral matches. One of my old [surname deleted] correspondents did so. They paid $200 for it and had me send in saliva samples for comparative analysis. Not one person of my surname turned up as a match. My genes and theirs show up in every country in the world! It appears all of the matches are prehistoric. They keep sending readouts of "new" data with a handful of surnames but still no family matches. It may be scientific but I believe they're guilty of deception." Take a look at the results of the surname study in which my friend participated. ------------------ "An exact 12 marker match has been found between you and another person in the Family Tree DNA database. You and the other person match in all 12 loci. If you share the same surname or variant, this means that there is a 99% likelihood that you share a common ancestor in a genealogical time frame. If you match another person without the same surname or variant, you still probably share a common ancestor, but this ancestor most likely lived in the time before surnames were adopted. The link below will take you to your Family Tree DNA Login. From there, click on the "Y-DNA Matches" tab to see a list of your matches. Newer matches will be at the top of the list. Additional emails will be sent to you as we find new matches between you and your "genetic cousins."" ------------------ That is apparently what you get for your money. Everyone on this mailing list is probably related. Any two of us are probably "genetic cousins" because we are both related to some unnamed person born in Europe a thousand or ten thousand years ago or to someone in prehistoric times. If you and I both took the test, we might learn that. Is it worth spending money to find that out? The Times Union, Albany's newspaper had an article today ("Relative Connections") that described the experience of one person who learned about the ancient migration route of some unnamed person. He also quoted someone who said that the mtDNA test detects only one of thousands of ancestors. Since it tests the female line, and surnames change with every marriage, it can't tell you a surname. If I understand correctly, the test will not help you add anyone to your family tree. The article will be online for seven days before you have to pay to read it. http://timesunion.com/AspStories/story.asp?storyID=703086&category=LIFE&news date=7/14/2008 If you have had some experience with the DNA testing, please tell us if it helped you identify any relatives or not. Cliff Lamere ====NY-RENSSE Mailing List==== Check out the mailing list's website at: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYRensse/ Don't forget the Rensselaer County Message Board: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.re nsselaer/mb.ashx ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYRENSSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Cliff, You quoted the results of a 12-marker test. I think 12-marker tests are worthless. 25-marker tests are certainly better, but I much prefer 37-marker tests. At that level and higher (though the benefits of higher are marginal), I have distant male cousins whose research is supported by DNA -- back to about 1740. Obviously, you can't do just a DNA test -- you have to have supporting research. And yes, you have to pay up for higher marker tests, but I think you're wasting your money if you don't. So yes, I've had a positive experience with DNA testing when the participants paid for more extensive testing. The trick is getting them to pay up -- as a female descendant who can't participant, I volunteer to underwrite males' testing...when I'm able to. Mary Richardson P.S. The article that you routed us to is about National Geographic's Genographic Project, i.e., tracing the early migratory routes of humans. You are right -- this doesn't have anything to do with Y-DNA testing to find near ancestors. At 06:11 PM 7/14/2008, Cliff Lamere wrote: >I have long been skeptical about the benefits of having a DNA test done >for myself. > >Few genealogists understand much about DNA testing. I taught science for >27 years, but I could not understand how a DNA test would help me with >my family tree. I read the websites of many testing companies, but their >claims were vague and never mentioned that they would help me identify >whether or not I had correctly chosen my 4th greatgrandfather. I phoned >Family Tree DNA, but the owner could not assure me that the test could >find any ancestors for me. > >I decided that I would be wasting my money. Later, a genealogy friend >brought up the subject after he had participated in a DNA surname study >with the same company. After the test was completed, he wrote to me >saying the following. > >"I Hope you haven't been tempted to get one of those DNA tests to show >your ancestoral matches. One of my old [surname deleted] correspondents >did so. They paid $200 for it and had me send in saliva samples for >comparative analysis. Not one person of my surname turned up as a match. >My genes and theirs show up in every country in the world! It appears >all of the matches are prehistoric. They keep sending readouts of "new" >data with a handful of surnames but still no family matches. It may be >scientific but I believe they're guilty of deception." > >Take a look at the results of the surname study in which my friend >participated. > >------------------ > >"An exact 12 marker match has been found between you and another person >in the Family Tree DNA database. > >You and the other person match in all 12 loci. If you share the same >surname or variant, this means that there is a 99% likelihood that you >share a common ancestor in a genealogical time frame. If you match >another person without the same surname or variant, you still probably >share a common ancestor, but this ancestor most likely lived in the time >before surnames were adopted. > >The link below will take you to your Family Tree DNA Login. From there, >click on the "Y-DNA Matches" tab to see a list of your matches. Newer >matches will be at the top of the list. Additional emails will be sent >to you as we find new matches between you and your "genetic cousins."" > >------------------ > >That is apparently what you get for your money. Everyone on this mailing >list is probably related. Any two of us are probably "genetic cousins" >because we are both related to some unnamed person born in Europe a >thousand or ten thousand years ago or to someone in prehistoric times. >If you and I both took the test, we might learn that. Is it worth >spending money to find that out? > >The Times Union, Albany's newspaper had an article today ("Relative >Connections") that described the experience of one person who learned >about the ancient migration route of some unnamed person. He also quoted >someone who said that the mtDNA test detects only one of thousands of >ancestors. Since it tests the female line, and surnames change with >every marriage, it can't tell you a surname. If I understand correctly, >the test will not help you add anyone to your family tree. The article >will be online for seven days before you have to pay to read it. > >http://timesunion.com/AspStories/story.asp?storyID=703086&category=LIFE&newsdate=7/14/2008 > >If you have had some experience with the DNA testing, please tell us if >it helped you identify any relatives or not. > >Cliff Lamere

Cliff, I run a Dna project (two actually) and I have to say a few things. The ability to match with someone else is dependent on enough people taking the tests. The tests have evolved, the 12 marker test was the first test developed for public use, and it soon became apparent that iytt doesn't have the refinement to actually match you with a small enough sample to focus on what are probably your own lines. Secondly ONLY one possible line is traceable through Y-chromosome testing, that line which goes directly from the testee to his father to his father ad infinitum. Y-chromosomes only follow father to son, and an example would be that you can not connect genetically with these tests to anyone outside that particular line. What these tests can show you, and quite convincingly, is whether or not two testers in the SAME surname line, share the same pattern, and thus the same paternal family. It can also show you that you are NOT related to a particular person who shares your paternal surname. Later tests with 25, 37 and 65+ markers refine the same results. You need a LOT of people in your surname group to compare with, and they need to have MORE than just the 12 marker test results. You could match a very wide population with only 12 markers compared, but with the additional markers you can easily eliminate more of the false hits from consideration. In my case there is a surname discontinuity. My father was born out of wedlock, and in a foreign country. His American mother went south to "recover from an injury" and returned to the USA a year later in better shape. The story was that a person named McCann was my father's father. and Stories are often wrong. I took the 12 marker test, upgraded to 25, then 37, then 65. (When these refinements became available.) My tests came back as haplotype R1b1c7, IRISH. The closest matches I have are all named some form of McCann, (O'Kane, McCain, Caine, etc.) This verifies the family story. In fact I have finally after 35 years of not knowing, established who my grandfather WAS. (It helps he was famous). There were only TWO McCann group possibilities in Panama inn the early 1930s. The one it turns out is my (as close as I can prove) grandfather is Allan R. McCann, the other "candidate" was John Simpson McCain, II. In the case of AR McCann all of the story related by my grandmother pans out. J S McCain got to Panama two years too late. (both candidates were US Navy Admirals.) The DNA has turned an interesting story into supportable evidence. Jeff

The following message was recently posted to the Troy Irish Genealogy mailing list. As it may be of interest to Rensselaer County list members who are not on the TIGS list, I am now posting it to the Rensselaer County list. Also, for anyone interested, the address for the TIGS website is: www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ Bill McGrath Clifton Park, NY (As a genealogy researcher we think of birth dates, marriage dates, death dates, as the bare bones of an ancestors record. What the individual did in life, what were the accomplishments, what sacrifices were made, I think add "flesh" to that ancestors bones and give us a better picture of that individual we never knew. If you look at the various TIGS projects on line, you will see that approximately seven of the current TIGS projects reflect this thinking. For example with the Alderman data base, we can observe that our ancestor was a Alderman year in and year out in a particular ward in Troy or with the Bank Officers data base we can see a lifetime of service in a particular Troy Bank. These little details of a persons life add some "flesh" to that persons history. So along this line it would be interesting to have some list discussion on the following idea for a new TIGS project. Last year while visiting a son in Ridgefield, Conn., I attended mass at St. Mary's Church and spent some time reading the various inscriptions on the stained glass windows. Lots of information on these memorials. Family names, individual names of family members, some dates of death, etc. I thought then that this would be an interesting idea for a TIGS data base on the various memorials in Troy area churches. If your families ancestors scrimped and saved to donate a church memorial which carries the family name wouldn't; you like to know about it? Does this information add "flesh" to that ancestors bones? As many list members know, over the years Troy has seen Holy Trinity Church, St. Lawrence's Church and St. Jean deBaptiste Church all closed. If there were family names on memorials in these churches are they still there or have they been removed? I know the names from my family's church, St. Michael's, are long gone as the original building was destroyed by fire in the 1970's. With the recent announcement of the possible closing of the following churches in Troy, how many more memorials with our ancestors names will be lost? List of Troy Churches From The Albany Times Union: St. Mary's Church St. Paul the Apostle Church St. Peter's Church St. Francis de Sales Church St. William's Church St. Patrick's Church So, if any list members have any thoughts on this idea, pro or con, they are invited to post their comments to the list. Regards, Bill McGrath TIGS Project Coordinator Clifton Park, NY)

I have long been skeptical about the benefits of having a DNA test done for myself. Few genealogists understand much about DNA testing. I taught science for 27 years, but I could not understand how a DNA test would help me with my family tree. I read the websites of many testing companies, but their claims were vague and never mentioned that they would help me identify whether or not I had correctly chosen my 4th greatgrandfather. I phoned Family Tree DNA, but the owner could not assure me that the test could find any ancestors for me. I decided that I would be wasting my money. Later, a genealogy friend brought up the subject after he had participated in a DNA surname study with the same company. After the test was completed, he wrote to me saying the following. "I Hope you haven't been tempted to get one of those DNA tests to show your ancestoral matches. One of my old [surname deleted] correspondents did so. They paid $200 for it and had me send in saliva samples for comparative analysis. Not one person of my surname turned up as a match. My genes and theirs show up in every country in the world! It appears all of the matches are prehistoric. They keep sending readouts of "new" data with a handful of surnames but still no family matches. It may be scientific but I believe they're guilty of deception." Take a look at the results of the surname study in which my friend participated. ------------------ "An exact 12 marker match has been found between you and another person in the Family Tree DNA database. You and the other person match in all 12 loci. If you share the same surname or variant, this means that there is a 99% likelihood that you share a common ancestor in a genealogical time frame. If you match another person without the same surname or variant, you still probably share a common ancestor, but this ancestor most likely lived in the time before surnames were adopted. The link below will take you to your Family Tree DNA Login. From there, click on the "Y-DNA Matches" tab to see a list of your matches. Newer matches will be at the top of the list. Additional emails will be sent to you as we find new matches between you and your "genetic cousins."" ------------------ That is apparently what you get for your money. Everyone on this mailing list is probably related. Any two of us are probably "genetic cousins" because we are both related to some unnamed person born in Europe a thousand or ten thousand years ago or to someone in prehistoric times. If you and I both took the test, we might learn that. Is it worth spending money to find that out? The Times Union, Albany's newspaper had an article today ("Relative Connections") that described the experience of one person who learned about the ancient migration route of some unnamed person. He also quoted someone who said that the mtDNA test detects only one of thousands of ancestors. Since it tests the female line, and surnames change with every marriage, it can't tell you a surname. If I understand correctly, the test will not help you add anyone to your family tree. The article will be online for seven days before you have to pay to read it. http://timesunion.com/AspStories/story.asp?storyID=703086&category=LIFE&newsdate=7/14/2008 If you have had some experience with the DNA testing, please tell us if it helped you identify any relatives or not. Cliff Lamere

Cliff I think DNA testing has great value, and you are correct in stating that the Companies offering these tests do some marketing. They have to. Has it found me an ancestor, no, but it has told me who I am not related to. When a person is searching for their ancestors, they tend to form strong opinions and ideas as to whom they might be related to, or where that brickwall probably came from. Even when they are told by others that it might be this other person or IS this other person, I have seen researchers refuse to accept it! Their idea or opinion is where they devote their entire search. Did, I find an ancestor using DNA, NO, but what I did find out, is that I am not related to two different and major names in early colonial history, Isaac Cummings of Ipswich, and John Cummings of Woburn. Both of these individuals have extensive written genealogical history, proven both through records, and DNA connecting to thousands and thousands of individuals. I also discovered that I was related to several others who had traced their lines to 1790's New York, and lost the trail. Had the DNA testing results came years earlier, they might have helped, but I already had discovered the trail. What DNA did for me though, was to validate the direction I had been taking.. It also helped me in the future, as at anytime that I found I might be looking at a descendant of either of these individuals as a relative, I dropped the research immediately. The elimination and inclusion process is greatly enhanced with DNA. You might want to revist the process, as just the fact that your friend did not match anyone with your surname is actually a boon to him, and a definitive genealogical answer. He can now eliminate their lines as possible connecting ancestors, and if possible obtain copies of these other individual proven trees and histories which he can then use as points not to search. The other thing that comes to mind is the accuracy of the trees that some individuals turn in on the DNA test. I helped with a tree that under scrutiny fell apart in the 4th generation. The person was not related to anyone in the area of DNA in which he had submitted his name. Why, there had been just enough of a name misspelling occurance to make a major difference in the name researched. There are just to many good reasons for it, especially in the ealier periods where records are scarce. I could go on and on. There is one negative! The Expense! You just have to grit your teeth and choke the bill down, knowing that good things are on the way. Patrick Cummings ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cliff Lamere" <clifflamere@nycap.rr.com> To: <NYRENSSE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 2:11 PM Subject: [NYRENSSE] Is DNA testing worthwhile? >I have long been skeptical about the benefits of having a DNA test done > for myself. > > Few genealogists understand much about DNA testing. I taught science for > 27 years, but I could not understand how a DNA test would help me with > my family tree. I read the websites of many testing companies, but their > claims were vague and never mentioned that they would help me identify > whether or not I had correctly chosen my 4th greatgrandfather. I phoned > Family Tree DNA, but the owner could not assure me that the test could > find any ancestors for me. > > I decided that I would be wasting my money. Later, a genealogy friend > brought up the subject after he had participated in a DNA surname study > with the same company. After the test was completed, he wrote to me > saying the following. > > "I Hope you haven't been tempted to get one of those DNA tests to show > your ancestoral matches. One of my old [surname deleted] correspondents > did so. They paid $200 for it and had me send in saliva samples for > comparative analysis. Not one person of my surname turned up as a match. > My genes and theirs show up in every country in the world! It appears > all of the matches are prehistoric. They keep sending readouts of "new" > data with a handful of surnames but still no family matches. It may be > scientific but I believe they're guilty of deception." > > Take a look at the results of the surname study in which my friend > participated. > > ------------------ > > "An exact 12 marker match has been found between you and another person > in the Family Tree DNA database. > > You and the other person match in all 12 loci. If you share the same > surname or variant, this means that there is a 99% likelihood that you > share a common ancestor in a genealogical time frame. If you match > another person without the same surname or variant, you still probably > share a common ancestor, but this ancestor most likely lived in the time > before surnames were adopted. > > The link below will take you to your Family Tree DNA Login. From there, > click on the "Y-DNA Matches" tab to see a list of your matches. Newer > matches will be at the top of the list. Additional emails will be sent > to you as we find new matches between you and your "genetic cousins."" > > ------------------ > > That is apparently what you get for your money. Everyone on this mailing > list is probably related. Any two of us are probably "genetic cousins" > because we are both related to some unnamed person born in Europe a > thousand or ten thousand years ago or to someone in prehistoric times. > If you and I both took the test, we might learn that. Is it worth > spending money to find that out? > > The Times Union, Albany's newspaper had an article today ("Relative > Connections") that described the experience of one person who learned > about the ancient migration route of some unnamed person. He also quoted > someone who said that the mtDNA test detects only one of thousands of > ancestors. Since it tests the female line, and surnames change with > every marriage, it can't tell you a surname. If I understand correctly, > the test will not help you add anyone to your family tree. The article > will be online for seven days before you have to pay to read it. > > http://timesunion.com/AspStories/story.asp?storyID=703086&category=LIFE&newsdate=7/14/2008 > > If you have had some experience with the DNA testing, please tell us if > it helped you identify any relatives or not. > > Cliff Lamere > > > ====NY-RENSSE Mailing List==== > Check out the mailing list's website at: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYRensse/ > Don't forget the Rensselaer County Message Board: > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.rensselaer/mb.ashx > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYRENSSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear List, I always like knowing the end of the story. So let me tell you what I found out about Amos Nettleton and his brother, Daniel Nettleton, with the help of two members of the Albany County e-mail list. (The two Albany County List members were Donna [no last name given] and Janet Haseley, Research Chair, Rensselaerville Historical Society). I had run the whole list of surnames enumerated in the September 18th, 1779 Minutes of the Commissioners for Conspiracies past the several of the county lists and received two responses pertaining to the other men, who had been the subject of the Minute from the Commissioners on Conspiracies along with Daniel Nettleton. These responses helped me hone in on Amos and Daniel Nettleton. Amos Nettleton lived in Dutchess County and served in the Second Regiment of the Dutchess County Militia during the Rev War. At some point Amos Nettleton removed from Dutchess County and settled in the Rensselaerwick District of Albany County prior to the 1790 U.S. Census being taken. Daniel Nettleton apparently had settled in the Half Moon District of Albany County. He had been there long enough and was prosperous enough to have been listed on both the March 2, 1779 and the October 23, 1779 Half Moon District Tax Lists for Albany County, NY. According to Tim Fenton, Daniel had applied for land in Canada by 1791. Coldham's "American Loyalist Claims" gave me the information on Joseph Knapp, one of other men from the Half Moon District, who had been hauled before the Commissioners for Conspiracies with Daniel Nettleton in 1779. Knapp had been driven from his farm in the Half Moon District of Albany County in 1781 for harboring 19 members of the British army. Coldham states that Knapp escaped to Canada with seven others. I suspect that there is the real possibility that Daniel Nettleton, of the Half Moon District of Albany County may well have been one of those seven. Admittedly there was nothing straight forward about this research, but all is well that ends well, no matter how circuitous the route. Sincerely, Leslie Potter Glen Mills, PA

what census' have you found him in? and where was he? i can try to help you find him in other census', but it would help if i had the information you did, i.e. previous wives? children? anything really.... francesca ----- Original Message ----- From: <SusiCP@aol.com> To: <nyrensse@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [NYRENSSE] JONES , Noel b 1785 ie >I suspect that Susannah mar to NOEL JONES was a NOYES at least it would > explain why their first born son was named NOYES. Ironic I find no more on > them > until Noyes JONES is himself an adult. > Not in any census any where in USA. I thought maybe he NOEL J was in > 1812 > skirmish and that why no more word on him but so far not found that true > either. > > Susi > > > ************** > Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live > music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! > > (www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) > ====NY-RENSSE Mailing List==== > Check out the mailing list's website at: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYRensse/ > Don't forget the Rensselaer County Message Board: > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.rensselaer/mb.ashx > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYRENSSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I suspect that Susannah mar to NOEL JONES was a NOYES at least it would explain why their first born son was named NOYES. Ironic I find no more on them until Noyes JONES is himself an adult. Not in any census any where in USA. I thought maybe he NOEL J was in 1812 skirmish and that why no more word on him but so far not found that true either. Susi ************** Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112)

there are some pictures in oneida of a NOYES... #651 John Humphrey Noyes: montage of portraits. #700 John Humphrey Noyes, ca. 1840 (earliest portrait from daguerreotype) ----- Original Message ----- From: <SusiCP@aol.com> To: <nyrensse@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 6:06 PM Subject: Re: [NYRENSSE] JONES , Noel b 1785 ie > Thankyou for this information. WE do know that Silas JONES and Susannah > Sweet JONES were the grandparents of NOYES. Family letter. At least that > was in > written letter mid 1800s'. > > I have no names for many of Silas 's children's children and maybe one of > these are it. > > Thanks Susi > > > ************** > Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for > fuel-efficient used cars. > > (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) > ====NY-RENSSE Mailing List==== > Check out the mailing list's website at: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYRensse/ > Don't forget the Rensselaer County Message Board: > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.rensselaer/mb.ashx > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYRENSSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Glad to hear from another lost researcher. I can share what I have minimal and another searcher sent me a wee more .. More to come. Susi ************** Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)

I found George and his wife, Huldah in the 1860 census. They were living in Berkshire County, Massachusettes. Maybe this is where Noyes Jones and Susan Mattison were married? The last name in this census was spelled as Matteson. Also a Sarah M. Bennet (19) and George H. Bennet (5 months) living in the house, could have been a sister of Huldah or George. Just thought i'd let you know I'm trying to find his parents, then try to see if she fits in...the Mass. thing seems like maybe there is a connection :) ----- Original Message ----- From: <SusiCP@aol.com> To: <nyrensse@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 6:56 PM Subject: [NYRENSSE] MADISON MATTISON kin > NOyes JONES b Rensselaer Co Petersburgh NY m Susan MADISON/MATTISON around > 1832 supposedly in MASS not found proof. After 1855 they moved to ILL, > McHenry > Co. town of NUNDA. After CW they moved to Chickasaw area Iowa. They died > their. A George Mattison was next to them in one late census believe it > was > 1870. I suspect he was sibling of Susan but no record can be found of him > in any > census before or after either. > > Susan was born in ?? depending on census and child: MASS< VT < NH < NY>> > I suspect her birth date on tombstone wrong. Says 1818 but wonder if > it > was 1808. > > HELP please Susi Jones Pentico > SusiCP@aol.com or SusiCP@cox.net > > > ************** > Gas prices getting you down? > Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. > > (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) > ====NY-RENSSE Mailing List==== > Check out the mailing list's website at: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYRensse/ > Don't forget the Rensselaer County Message Board: > http://boards.rootsweb.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYRENSSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

We have a Deborah Matteson bc 1774 who married our Joshua Sabin abt 1808. He was bc 1760 in Pawling, Dutchess, NY. This was a 2nd marriage for him. They lived in Berlin, Rens Co, NY and believe Deborah may have been born there. He had several children from 1st marriage to Desire Niles. Deborah died April 14, 1850 (age 75) and buried in Petersburgh, Rens Co, NY. She lived 25 yrs after Joshua's death in 1825. Do not have any family info on Deborah so far. Also, don't know of any connection to Madison/Mattison, but when we see a similar surname we try to find out if there could be. Thank you for any help. ----- Original Message ----- From: "francesca premo" <familyhistorian101@rochester.rr.com> To: <nyrensse@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 7:24 PM Subject: Re: [NYRENSSE] MADISON MATTISON kin > thinking of him as a brother, have you traced him through earlier census'? > I would...then see if he had a sister about the right age (even off by 10 > years, it happens), my grandma said that they didn't have good records back > then and often people either couldn't, or didn't want to, remember their > ages. so in a way, it makes sense, what women wants to age? (hehe, i'm 24, > but sometimes say i'm 21...lol) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "francesca premo" <familyhistorian101@rochester.rr.com> > To: <nyrensse@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 6:55 AM > Subject: Re: [NYRENSSE] MADISON MATTISON kin > > > > There is a Mattison Family in Wayne County, are they related? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <SusiCP@aol.com> > > To: <nyrensse@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 6:56 PM > > Subject: [NYRENSSE] MADISON MATTISON kin > > > > > >> NOyes JONES b Rensselaer Co Petersburgh NY m Susan MADISON/MATTISON > >> around > >> 1832 supposedly in MASS not found proof. After 1855 they moved to ILL, > >> McHenry > >> Co. town of NUNDA. After CW they moved to Chickasaw area Iowa. They > >> died > >> their. A George Mattison was next to them in one late census believe it > >> was > >> 1870. I suspect he was sibling of Susan but no record can be found of him > >> in any > >> census before or after either. > >> > >> Susan was born in ?? depending on census and child: MASS< VT < NH < NY>> > >> I suspect her birth date on tombstone wrong. Says 1818 but wonder if > >> it > >> was 1808. > >> > >> HELP please Susi Jones Pentico > >> SusiCP@aol.com or SusiCP@cox.net > >> > >> > >> ************** > >> Gas prices getting you down? > >> Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. > >> > >> (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) > >> ====NY-RENSSE Mailing List==== > >> Check out the mailing list's website at: > >> http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYRensse/ > >> Don't forget the Rensselaer County Message Board: > >> http://boards.rootsweb.com/ > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> NYRENSSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ====NY-RENSSE Mailing List==== > > Check out the mailing list's website at: > > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYRensse/ > > Don't forget the Rensselaer County Message Board: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > NYRENSSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ====NY-RENSSE Mailing List==== > Check out the mailing list's website at: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYRensse/ > Don't forget the Rensselaer County Message Board: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.re nsselaer/mb.ashx > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYRENSSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear List, Can anyone shed any light on any of the individuals, who were named in the following excerpt from the Minutes of the Commissioners for Conspiracies, which met at Albany on September 18th, 1779. At present I am not sure where these individuals lived. It may have been within the confines of old Albany County (i.e. present day Rensselaer, Saratoga, or Washington Counties) or they may have lived in Dutchess County. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Leslie Potter Glen Mills, PA P.S. any thoughts on how to interpret this 18th century English would also be appreciated. Printed from Family Tree Maker, DC 132: Selected NY Revolutionary War Records, 1775-1840, Commissioners for Conspiracies, Volume I, Manuscript minutes - September 1779 (C) The Learning Company, Inc., July 5, 2008 At pate 416 " 1779, Sept. 18. Met Albany 18th September 1779 Present Jeremiah Van Renselaer, Isaac D. Fonda, and John M. Beekman Col. Schonhoven & Major Taylor proffered a Verbal Complaint to this Board against old John CONKILIN & Daniel NETTLETON, Daniel FRAZER, Jacob WILTCEE, John Mud CONKLIN, James VAV DRIESEN, Long John CONKLIN, Tunis VAV CAMP, John NESSLEY, Barent NESSLEY, Jonathan LOSSING, John TODD, Joseph NAP, & John COGHLIN. Some of whom are prisoners of War that the[y] have the Greatest Reason to Believe they are in League with the Scouting parties of the enemy & that if some Remedy is not devised that the Whole Whig party of the Inhabitants will be Necessitated to Remove Numbers of them that have Exerted themselves in the present war are at present Compelld to procure private Guards to Secure their person & Property from the Violence of the Tories & other are th[r]ough Dread Obliged to betake themselves at Night to the Woods- Resolved that Col. Schonhoven and Major Taylor be informed that this Board will take the Same into Consideration & Afford them all the Assistance in their Power toward punishing the Said persons & endeavouring effectually to put it out of their Power to give them any Disturbances in the future -"

thinking of him as a brother, have you traced him through earlier census'? I would...then see if he had a sister about the right age (even off by 10 years, it happens), my grandma said that they didn't have good records back then and often people either couldn't, or didn't want to, remember their ages. so in a way, it makes sense, what women wants to age? (hehe, i'm 24, but sometimes say i'm 21...lol) ----- Original Message ----- From: "francesca premo" <familyhistorian101@rochester.rr.com> To: <nyrensse@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 6:55 AM Subject: Re: [NYRENSSE] MADISON MATTISON kin > There is a Mattison Family in Wayne County, are they related? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <SusiCP@aol.com> > To: <nyrensse@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 6:56 PM > Subject: [NYRENSSE] MADISON MATTISON kin > > >> NOyes JONES b Rensselaer Co Petersburgh NY m Susan MADISON/MATTISON >> around >> 1832 supposedly in MASS not found proof. After 1855 they moved to ILL, >> McHenry >> Co. town of NUNDA. After CW they moved to Chickasaw area Iowa. They >> died >> their. A George Mattison was next to them in one late census believe it >> was >> 1870. I suspect he was sibling of Susan but no record can be found of him >> in any >> census before or after either. >> >> Susan was born in ?? depending on census and child: MASS< VT < NH < NY>> >> I suspect her birth date on tombstone wrong. Says 1818 but wonder if >> it >> was 1808. >> >> HELP please Susi Jones Pentico >> SusiCP@aol.com or SusiCP@cox.net >> >> >> ************** >> Gas prices getting you down? >> Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. >> >> (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) >> ====NY-RENSSE Mailing List==== >> Check out the mailing list's website at: >> http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYRensse/ >> Don't forget the Rensselaer County Message Board: >> http://boards.rootsweb.com/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYRENSSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ====NY-RENSSE Mailing List==== > Check out the mailing list's website at: > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYRensse/ > Don't forget the Rensselaer County Message Board: > http://boards.rootsweb.com/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYRENSSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Leslie: I hope you get a response.  A few of those names came to Upper Canada. -  Conklin, Witcee, Van Camp, and Nap (Knapp).  All these have association to Nettletons in Ontario in early 1800 Tim ----- Original Message ---- From: Leslie B. Potter <lbpotter@comcast.net> To: nyrensse@rootsweb.com; nydutche@rootsweb.com; nyalbany@rootsweb.com; NYSARATO-L-request@rootsweb.com; NYALBANY-L-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, July 8, 2008 12:54:49 AM Subject: [NYRENSSE] Conklin, Nettleton, Frazer, Wiltcee, Van Driesen, Van Camp, Nessley, Lossing, Todd, Nap and Coughlin Dear List, Can anyone shed any light on any of the individuals, who were named in the following excerpt from the Minutes of the Commissioners for Conspiracies, which met at Albany on September 18th, 1779. At present I am not sure where these individuals lived.  It may have been within the confines of old Albany County (i.e. present day Rensselaer, Saratoga, or Washington Counties) or they may have lived in Dutchess County.  Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Leslie Potter Glen Mills, PA P.S.  any thoughts on how to interpret this 18th century English would also be appreciated. Printed from Family Tree Maker, DC 132: Selected NY Revolutionary War Records, 1775-1840, Commissioners for Conspiracies, Volume I, Manuscript minutes - September 1779 (C) The Learning Company, Inc., July 5, 2008 At pate 416 " 1779, Sept. 18. Met Albany 18th September 1779 Present Jeremiah Van Renselaer, Isaac D. Fonda, and John M. Beekman Col. Schonhoven & Major Taylor proffered a Verbal Complaint to this Board against old John CONKILIN & Daniel NETTLETON, Daniel FRAZER, Jacob WILTCEE, John Mud CONKLIN, James VAV DRIESEN, Long John CONKLIN, Tunis VAV CAMP, John NESSLEY, Barent NESSLEY, Jonathan LOSSING, John TODD, Joseph NAP, & John COGHLIN.  Some of whom are prisoners of War that the[y] have the Greatest Reason to Believe they are in League with the Scouting parties of the enemy & that if some Remedy is not devised that the Whole Whig party of the Inhabitants will be Necessitated to Remove Numbers of them that have Exerted themselves in the present war are at present Compelld to procure private Guards to Secure their person & Property from the Violence of the Tories & other are th[r]ough Dread Obliged to betake themselves at Night to the Woods- Resolved that Col. Schonhoven and Major Taylor be informed that this Board will take the Same into Consideration & Afford them all the Assistance in their Power toward punishing the Said persons & endeavouring effectually to put it out of their Power to give them any Disturbances in the future -" ====NY-RENSSE Mailing List==== Check out the mailing list's website at: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYRensse/ Don't forget the Rensselaer County Message Board:  http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.rensselaer/mb.ashx ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYRENSSE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The SSDI has that birth date as 16 Nov 1909, as opposed to 15 Nov 1909 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob/Deirdre Bragg" <dd-bb-bragg@sbcglobal.net> To: <NYRENSSE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 3:17 PM Subject: [NYRENSSE] Obituary Erickson, Arthur > Would like help in obtaining an obituary for > > Arthur Erickson > born 15 Nov 1909 New York > > died April 1987 > > Thank you > > > Deirdre Bragg > 5818 Balfor Road > Rocklin, Ca 95765 > 916-632-9892 > > dd-bb-bragg@sbcglobal.net >

Thankyou for this information. WE do know that Silas JONES and Susannah Sweet JONES were the grandparents of NOYES. Family letter. At least that was in written letter mid 1800s'. I have no names for many of Silas 's children's children and maybe one of these are it. Thanks Susi ************** Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)

Would like help in obtaining an obituary for Arthur Erickson born 15 Nov 1909 New York died April 1987 Thank you Deirdre Bragg 5818 Balfor Road Rocklin, Ca 95765 916-632-9892 dd-bb-bragg@sbcglobal.net