Ahem! Yes Cliff, as per Barb's input, it's a great looking site. However, concerning the heavy yellow warnings about Janet's material, I think you might consider that you went a bit overboard. Think it over. Put yourself in her shoes. YOu might be 100% correct in your reasoning, but lighten up a bit. "He who is without wrong, cast the first stone." http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~clifflamere/ RM Barb Baxter wrote: > > Cliff, > > You have a very imformative web site, but I don't think it is necessary to > make any judgement on any other website. We all should know that a good > genealogist looks for the source records anyway.
In a message dated 8/30/00 4:48:17 PM Pacific Daylight Time, GenealogyNut@SoPines.net writes: << You have a very imformative web site, but I don't think it is necessary to make any judgement on any other website. We all should know that a good genealogist looks for the source records anyway. >> hi Guys , Can I but in here ? , It is my belief nobody should post anything on any site without being sure it is CORRECT , Or post the SOURCES !! , As for the augment getting started over Cliffs offer of help to correct what was a mistake in placing of places , I do believe He is correct in pointing out that the data presented could be faulty , There is So much ' garbage ' on the ' net ' today he should be commended for making an effort to get it Correct , Not called a ' Clod ' , at least not by someone who can`t spell ' site ' ...... I for one Wish people would cite their sources ! , how are we suppose to check the ' original source ' If we do not know what it is ????? , Phil , in Lynnwood WA
Cliff, You have a very imformative web site, but I don't think it is necessary to make any judgement on any other website. We all should know that a good genealogist looks for the source records anyway. 1% error rate???? The error rate for the census itself is bigger than than. At 03:47 PM 8/30/00 -0400, Cliff Lamere wrote: >I have made no personal attacks on Janet, either privately or publicly. Pointing out errors in a person's work should not be misconstrued as criticism of the person. > >I deeply regret embarassing anyone. My new website is designed for doing research. Therefore, accuracy is very important. In several private emails, I pointed out the errors in the titles of Janet's census transcriptions, and her introductions to each. Censuses that were originally done by NY for a Town(ship), she has recorded as if they were done for a village. The introductions to each census also lead one to believe that the census was for a village. This leads to the assignment of a wrong location to most records that are extracted. > >I offerred to help correct all censuses (I believe there are nine of them, and most of them are posted in two places, so it would be quite a job). I also offerred to post them for her on her own site. I was willing to spend a lot of time on this for the sake of accurate research. This would have meant checking the original microfilms or actual census books, and using French's Gazetteer and other sources. > >I praised her work with the exception of the titles and introductions. In my final email, I pointed out that, because of the nature of my website, if she wouldn't let me help her, I would have to write cautionary notes about each of her censuses and that I might have to highlight them (which I had to do because of the complexity of trying to explain the problem to others). I told her that I did not want to do that because of any embarassment that might cause her (I have a great respect for 99% of what she did). I ended my last email by saying, "Please say that you will work with me to revise the introductions." As I recall (I can't access the end of that email), she told me to do what I had to do. > >Ignoring the errors is not an option for my kind of site. I did not want to highlight my references to her census transcriptions, but without the highlighting, I found that I was unable to write clear cautionary remarks that would be understood by the reader. I chose a light yellow color so that it would not be too offensive to Janet or to others using the site. I have notes of caution about other posted records, but those were not highlighted because they were much simpler to explain. > >The duplicate set of censuses which were posted on RootsWeb had their titles corrected before being posted, so I am not the only one who noticed the errors. However, the introductions remain wrong and may still mislead people. > >I was very unhappy that cautionary remarks became necessary. I knew that to some people, it would seem like I was picking on Janet, and that some of those people would dislike me as a result. For the sake the integrity of the site, I was willing to let that happen rather than direct people to data that they would record with a mistaken location. My site will direct visitors to all of the online records that I can find. And when necessary, I will point out errors. What good would a research site be, if I didn't do that? > >I received two emails that thanked me for the cautions that I have included on the site. At least some people appreciate the approach that I am using. > >Janet has performed a wonderful service by transcribing the censuses and putting them online. It would have taken an unbelievable number of hours to do all of that work. Similar censuses are not available for many other counties, so we can see how special her efforts really have been. Her accomplishment is tempered, however, by the fact that 1/10th of 1% of her work leads to errors in much of the rest of it. For everyone who did not live in a village, genealogists will record the wrong location of their residence. I did offer to make the corrections and, regretfully, I was not allowed to do that. I am still willing to work on it. > >As I began this message, "I have made no personal attacks on Janet, either privately or publicly. Pointing out errors in a person's work should not be misconstrued as criticism of the person." > >Cliff > > > > > > >==== NYRENSSE Mailing List ==== >Barbara's Genealogy Page: http://members.tripod.com/~JeffriesB >Rensselaer County Genweb page: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyrensse/ >GenConnect Board: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/NY/Rensselaer >Listowner, Pat Connors: mailto:nymets11@pacbell.net > > Barb Baxter http://www.pinehurst.net/genealogy/
Looking for the SABIN / HOWE surnames in probably Troy and Berlin/Stephentown NY areas 1800s.... thanks
Would like to know if anyone has the HARTSHORN family name in Rens. Co.... Thanks
Hello To Everyone I'm hoping someone might have some information on this family. Descendants of Dirk Schouten Generation No. 1 1. DIRK3 SCHOUTEN (SIMON2, SIMON1) was born October 6, 1745 in Fishkill, Dutchess Co., NY. He married MARGARET MCLEAN, daughter of (?) MCLEAN. She was born 1746 in Scotland, and died May 2, 1835 in Ernesttown, Ont. Children of DIRK SCHOUTEN and MARGARET MCLEAN are: 2. i. DANIEL MCLEAN4 SCHOUTEN, b. 1771, Saratoga, Abany County, NY, USA; d. April 28, 1849, Ernestown Township, Ontario, Canada. 3. ii. MONYKEY SCHOUTEN, b. 1771, Schaghticoke, Rensselaer, New York. iii. SIMON SCHOUTEN, b. August 30, 1771, Schaghticoke, Rensselaer, New York. iv. MAYEKA SCHOUTEN, b. January 24, 1774. v. MARGARITA SCHOUTEN, b. September 18, 1776, Schaghticoke, Rensselaer, New York. 4. vi. MARY SCHOUTEN, b. 1776, Schaghticoke, Rensselaer, New York. vii. TOMEDAIMON SCHOUTEN, b. May 9, 1779, Schaghticoke, Rensselaer, New York. 5. viii. SARAH SCHOUTEN, b. July 14, 1781, Schagiticoke, Rennselaer Co., NY; d. 1813, Ernestown Township, Ontario, Canada. ix. RACHEL SCHOUTEN, b. 1786, Fredricksburgh Township, Lennox and Addington Co. Ontario, Canada.
Okay, we can agree or disagree with what Cliff has done on his website but please keep the discussion polite and not use name calling. That I will not condone. If you really feel like you want to tell someone off, do it privately or I may have to unsub you. Please do not misconstrue this. The discussion is allowed, but not the flaming. Pat Connors, Sacramento CA, listowner
I have made no personal attacks on Janet, either privately or publicly. Pointing out errors in a person's work should not be misconstrued as criticism of the person. I deeply regret embarassing anyone. My new website is designed for doing research. Therefore, accuracy is very important. In several private emails, I pointed out the errors in the titles of Janet's census transcriptions, and her introductions to each. Censuses that were originally done by NY for a Town(ship), she has recorded as if they were done for a village. The introductions to each census also lead one to believe that the census was for a village. This leads to the assignment of a wrong location to most records that are extracted. I offerred to help correct all censuses (I believe there are nine of them, and most of them are posted in two places, so it would be quite a job). I also offerred to post them for her on her own site. I was willing to spend a lot of time on this for the sake of accurate research. This would have meant checking the original microfilms or actual census books, and using French's Gazetteer and other sources. I praised her work with the exception of the titles and introductions. In my final email, I pointed out that, because of the nature of my website, if she wouldn't let me help her, I would have to write cautionary notes about each of her censuses and that I might have to highlight them (which I had to do because of the complexity of trying to explain the problem to others). I told her that I did not want to do that because of any embarassment that might cause her (I have a great respect for 99% of what she did). I ended my last email by saying, "Please say that you will work with me to revise the introductions." As I recall (I can't access the end of that email), she told me to do what I had to do. Ignoring the errors is not an option for my kind of site. I did not want to highlight my references to her census transcriptions, but without the highlighting, I found that I was unable to write clear cautionary remarks that would be understood by the reader. I chose a light yellow color so that it would not be too offensive to Janet or to others using the site. I have notes of caution about other posted records, but those were not highlighted because they were much simpler to explain. The duplicate set of censuses which were posted on RootsWeb had their titles corrected before being posted, so I am not the only one who noticed the errors. However, the introductions remain wrong and may still mislead people. I was very unhappy that cautionary remarks became necessary. I knew that to some people, it would seem like I was picking on Janet, and that some of those people would dislike me as a result. For the sake the integrity of the site, I was willing to let that happen rather than direct people to data that they would record with a mistaken location. My site will direct visitors to all of the online records that I can find. And when necessary, I will point out errors. What good would a research site be, if I didn't do that? I received two emails that thanked me for the cautions that I have included on the site. At least some people appreciate the approach that I am using. Janet has performed a wonderful service by transcribing the censuses and putting them online. It would have taken an unbelievable number of hours to do all of that work. Similar censuses are not available for many other counties, so we can see how special her efforts really have been. Her accomplishment is tempered, however, by the fact that 1/10th of 1% of her work leads to errors in much of the rest of it. For everyone who did not live in a village, genealogists will record the wrong location of their residence. I did offer to make the corrections and, regretfully, I was not allowed to do that. I am still willing to work on it. As I began this message, "I have made no personal attacks on Janet, either privately or publicly. Pointing out errors in a person's work should not be misconstrued as criticism of the person." Cliff
In a message dated 00-08-30 15:50:12 EDT, clifflamere@global2000.net writes: << Censuses that were originally done by NY for a Town(ship) >> There are no townships in New York. Marie
Dear fellow genealogists: I have been copying Rensselaer County 1855 census for over 20 years. I have done nine towns to date. I have been privately & publicly criticized for not having The town of Brunswick etc in my title. Paper copies have been given to libraries & acquaintances. No one until ow has mentioned this to be a confusing issue. I added a bit of information from Frenchs 1860 New York Gazetteer. I am publicly under fire for this. I first started copying for my Philip Schuyler Chapter Daughters of the American Revolution. These copies were given to DAR Library in Washington DC, New York City Public Library and New York State Library. To date until now did I never receive a complaint. I now am highlighted in yellow with red caution that be careful when you use my records because I didnt make changes when this person, who has set up a directory on the Internet, wanted me to. Also I am chastised for having the same 1855 census on twice. I had done most of these before I had a computer. This was a challenging task. Two wonderful strangers, to me, Debby Masterson & Kari Maunu, offered to help scan my work. This was a monumental task beyond my time & capability. I sent my copies to each. I so appreciate these total strangers for doing this for me that I put both on my Home page. I have copied these censuses over the years in hopes that it would help someones search for their ancestor. I fully expected someone would find errors. These old recordings were not always easy to read and I did so try to copy as they were written all these many years ago. I understand fully that because I thought a name should be written different then it is today I should not make a change in the spelling. Every time I had finished one I vowed not to do anymore because it was a grueling task.. Guilt that I could do something nice for someone prefail. I started out copying in the County clerks office & then going to New York State Library to also recheck the microfilm copy. The Brunswick, Grafton, Petersburgh & Berlin census I also went to Bennington Museum Library. I was allowed to photocopy the late Mabel Hewitts wonderful collection. She had added some maiden names of wives which I added to my copy. I recently did Berlin after the death of my daughter in June, who I had cared for 43 years, only to do something productive (I thought) while dealing with my profound grief. Whenever I spent time copying these old records I always had to have a nurse for my daughter as she required 24 hour care. I hope I will be forgiven for using this site for my defense. I am so crushed over being chastised publicly without a chance to defend. myself. Someone trying to comfort me recently wrote that her dad had a saying A perfect person is a person who has done nothing. So in my defense I plead guilty for not being perfect. HOME PAGE: http://members.tripod.com/~DERBYSHIRE_2/Janet.html
Subject: Henry MYERS -- 1800 Troy census Hi Everyone, We have spoken before (I believe) concerning my (so-far fruitless) quest to make some sort of meaningful "hit" or contact with my MYERS line beyond my gr gr grandfather, Michael MYERS b May 10, 1812 Rensselaer?? d. Sep 12, 1889 Springport (now called Union Springs), so. Cayuga county (Finger lakes Region), NY I was supplied with a clue by one individual's research on Michael's brother's (Erastus) wife's line stating that Erastus' father was a Henry MEYRS/MEYERS and mother was a Hannah/Anna ??, thus inferring that Michael's parents were the same two, Henry and Hannah/Anna. (Possibly the Hessian soldier, Henrich Meyers, who emigrated to/from Canada.) As a side note and further clue: My Myers ancestors were Presby as far as I know, possibly originating from Palatine area of Germany and might have converted from Dutch Reformed or Lutheran Erastus MYERS built the Presbyterian Church in Springport, NY in 1840 So far, I have found nothing to substantiate this connection (and so far I have nothing better). However, today, as I was cruising the Rensselaer Genweb pages, I came across the following census info (below) on Henry MYERS and Henry MYERS, jun (jr.?). QUESTION: Do you (anyone) have any further info on this line in the 1800 Troy census? Wife and children's names, parents, dates, places, etc.? THANKS SO MUCH FOR YOUR HELP! Ron Myers San Diego (Formerly so. Cayuga county, Finger Lakes Region, NY) _____________________________________________________ Michael MYERS' siblings were: 1 Eleanor Myers b 1800 + Unknown Rafferty 2 David Myers b 1805 (twins or close pregnancies ?) d 1886 3 Solomon Myers b 1805 (twins or close pregnancies ?) d 1879 + Deborah C Moore b 1805 d 1878 4* Michael MYERS b May 10, 1812 Rensselaer?? d. Sep 12, 1889 Springport, NY + m#1 ?? (possible first wife in Rensselaer) + m#2 1846 b Jan 31, 1829 Caroline Schenck d Apr 14, 1883 (Springport, Cayuga county, NY?) 5 Erastus Myers b 1816 (Rensselaer County, NY ?) d 1892 bur. Oak Ridge Cemetery, Town Of Springport + m Feb 20, 1839 Harriet Schenck (12 children) b May 06, 1817 d 1906 Oak Ridge Cemetery, Town Of Springport - --------------------------------------------- 1800 Census of Troy - --------------------------------------------- http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyrensse/census14.htm Information on this page is from Vol. 21, No. 4 of Tree Talks published by the Central New York Genealogical Society in December 1981. Columns A - Free white males under 10 B - Free white males 10-16 C - Free white males 16-26 D - Free white males 26-45 E - Free white males 45 and over F - Free white females under 10 G - Free white females 10-16 H - Free white females 16-26 I - Free white females 26-45 J - Free white females 45 and over K - All others L - Slaves - -------------------------------------------------------- Myers, Henry 0 2 0 0 1 1 0 1 0 1 0 0 Myers, Henry, Jun. 0 0 0 1 0 1 1 1 0 0 0 0
Hello List. Is there anyone that could tell me if the "Old Presbyterian" Cemetery has ever been called "Bryan" Cemetery ? I have an ancestor buried at the Old Presbyterian , and I am coming from British Columbia , Canada to visit the grave-site , and have had word that this cemetery has been called by both names. Thank you for any direction you can give. Marlene Hartle
Hello everyone, I am looking for information on the following family who lived in Troy. James was in partnership with his brother Thomas in the business of selling Altar wines. I would be grateful for any information or hints received. Family Group Sheet Husband: James W DONNELLY Born: 1844 in: Athlone, Co Westmeath, Ireland Died: 10.02.1917 in: 7 Washington Park, Troy, NY, USA Buried: in: St Peter's, Troy, NY, USA Occupation: teacher/wine Merchant Father: Martin DONNELLY Mother: Sarah BYRNE Wife: Emma L MCTAMMANY - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1 F daughter |Born: sp. K D SPROULES |Married: |Died: |Buried: - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2 M William M DONNELLY |Born: |Died: |Buried: - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3 F daughter |Born: sp. H S BENNETT |Married: |Died: |Buried: - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4 M James W DONNELLY |Born: |Died: |Buried: - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5 M Edward McTammany DONNELLY |Born: |Died: |Buried: - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6 F Florence M DONNELLY |Born: |Died: |Buried: - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7 M George J DONNELLY |Born: |Died: |Buried: - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Regards Wendy in sunny Queensland, Australia wendyevans@bigpond.com
New to the list... looking for information on the Worthington-Moses Cemetery. Is it still an active cemetery? Does someone on the list know if there is a caretaker who might have the actual cemetery records... or a library or somewhere? Have just learned LDS microfilm 2025955 lists Joshua Sabin as buried there and his 2nd wife Deborah (Matteson) Sabin. And both on the Hartshorn lot, but in different places??? A couple other records I've seen don't list him... no headstone??? LDS must have microfilmed actual records and the others I seen were maybe from "walking" the cemetery and reading the stones? Capt. Joshua Sabin was in Caleb Bentley's 4th or 5th NY Regiment in the Rev. War... have the records from Nat'l Archives and am very interested in getting a stone on the grave and a military marker.... if I can locate it. Thank you for any help.... Penny and Don Sabin
I'm looking for Sweeneys in Nassau, but unfortunately, I don't know if it's Nassau the town or Nassau the county... All I have is Martin Sweeney's marriage application (in 1914) on which he states his father was born in New York with the word Nassau after it. My Sweeneys (names unknown) had at least two sons while in New York State, John J., born about 1857 and Patrick, born about 1859. Both boys moved to Lackawanna County, Pennsylvania prior to 1880. Patrick married Nora Dougherty either in NY or PA and John J. was the first postmaster of Winton (now Jessup), PA. If this sounds familiar to anyone, please feel free to email! Thanks, Terri __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/
>From a published source that did not, of course, document its sources: Samuel AKERLY m. Mary KETCHUM Waterford, Rensselaer County, NY 12 Sep 1807 I really, really need a copy of this m. certificate. Can anyone help?
If I need to look up information regarding Alexander van rensselaer, born 1814, son of Stephen and Cornelia Patterson, would I turn to your website or an Albany website? In my gggrandmothers family bible there is a lock of hair and a note that says Alexander van Rensselaer B. 1814 son of Stephen. I wonder why she has it as she was only born in 1840 in Ireland. She may have worked as a young servant to his family as she married my gggrandfather at the age of 15/16 in 1856. Would her name (Rachel McBeth) be mentioned on any of the local census' (maybe 1850 or 1855) thanks
Mountain View Cemetery is located within the village of Castleton in the town of Schodack. It is a medium sized cemetery with an old part and a new part. It is well maintained. I tend to visit it everytime I get out to the area as many of my ancestors are also buried there. Ned Schimminger, just outside Niagara Falls
I would like to thank all who responded to my question regarding the location of St Peter's cemetary. For any that would be interested - it is located on Oakwood Ave in Brunswick, just east of Troy. Across from Oakwood Cemetary Thanks again to all Jay
You show a Sarah Moulton, spouse of Philip Hicks Bowne (who was born in Flushing in 1832. I have a Sarah Moulton who married Solomon Squier. This Sarah was born about 1770 or so in Monson, MA. Sarah was a popular name in that family, so one of her siblings' children may have used it in his family. I have just started researching this particular branch, so I do not have any further information yet. Good Luck. Walt Warren-----Original Message----- From: gbowne <gbowne@email.msn.com> To: NYRENSSE-L@rootsweb.com <NYRENSSE-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, August 20, 2000 12:39 PM Subject: [NYRENSSE] BOWNE BORN IN NEW YORK AND NEW JERSEY AND ALLIED FAMILIES > >Philip Hicks Bowne >b 1832 Flushing >spouse >Sarah Moulton >