This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------16732B39376706FAA3052CA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ike, I can't give a play-by-play translation of Ron's essay, but I can say a few things, as a Mac user. command-shift-3 will take a picture of your screen and save it to a "Picture" file on your hard drive root directory. If my browser is greying out (forbidding) the "Save File" option on a particular page, I hit the "Stop" button (for stop animation, stop loading) and virtually always it will then allow me to print it. In a web page you can click and hold on any graphic, bringing up a pop-up menu with an option "Save Image as...", at least with Navigator and I think Explorer as well. Most any saved graphic images can be imported into the current version of Microsoft Word. Freeware and shareware graphics-viewing and conversion programs are frequently included in CDs distributed with MacAddict, MacWorld and MacHome magazines. (they can also be downloaded from download.com, zdnet.com, macaddict.com etc.etc.) That's my two cents. I'm not sure I've directly addressed your issue, but perhaps it'll be useful info on other occasions. :-) Dave See Hudson Valley Sees siteowner, and 8-year Macintosh user http://pages.preferred.com/~dsee/genie.html > Can anyone help those of us with a MacIntosh? None of the instructions seem > to apply. > > Ike Watrous > FIWATROUS@aol.com > --------------16732B39376706FAA3052CA0 Content-Type: message/delivery-status; name="nsmail4" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="nsmail4" Reporting-MTA: dns; preferred.com Received-From-MTA: DNS; jc87.sullivan2.preferred.com Arrival-Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 11:31:53 -0400 Final-Recipient: RFC822; NYRENNSE-L@rootsweb.com Action: failed Status: 5.1.1 Remote-MTA: DNS; newmail.rootsweb.com Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 5.1.1 <NYRENNSE-L@rootsweb.com>... User unknown Last-Attempt-Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 11:31:57 -0400 --------------16732B39376706FAA3052CA0 Content-Type: message/rfc822; name="nsmail5" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="nsmail5" Return-Path: <dsee@preferred.com> Received: from preferred.com (jc87.sullivan2.preferred.com [206.228.248.97]) by preferred.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA24012 for <NYRENNSE-L@rootsweb.com>; Tue, 10 Oct 2000 11:31:53 -0400 Message-ID: <39E33623.898A9BE4@preferred.com> Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 11:30:47 -0400 From: David See & Lynn Rice-See <dsee@preferred.com> Reply-To: dsee@preferred.com Organization: Rampaging Arpeggios X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: NYRENNSE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [NYRENSSE] OFF-TOPIC: Finding & accessing data from your Internet Browser Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I can't give a play-by-play translation of Ron's essay, but I can say a few things, as a Mac user. command-shift-3 will take a picture of your screen and save it to a "Picture" file on your hard drive root directory. If my browser is greying out (forbidding) the "Save File" option on a particular page, I hit the "Stop" button (for stop animation, stop loading) and virtually always it will then allow me to print it. In a web page you can click and hold on any graphic, bringing up a pop-up menu with an option "Save Image as...", at least with Navigator and I think Explorer as well. Most any saved graphic images can be imported into the current version of Microsoft Word. Freeware and shareware graphics-viewing and conversion programs are frequently included in CDs distributed with MacAddict, MacWorld and MacHome magazines. That's my two cents. I'm not sure I've directly addressed your issue, but perhaps they'll be useful info on other occasions. :-) Dave See Hudson Valley Sees siteowner, and 8-year Macintosh user http://pages.preferred.com/~dsee/genie.html > Can anyone help those of us with a MacIntosh? None of the instructions seem > to apply. > > Ike Watrous > FIWATROUS@aol.com > --------------16732B39376706FAA3052CA0--

Ron, No offense but I think you just buried a lot of people there. However, if I interpreted what was being said correctly, most people aren't aware you can capture what is on the screen by pressing the print scrn button on the keyboard, then open a word file and paste the image into the document. Then save to file. A lot easier and not as much snow. LOL Roni

Roni, Roni wrote: > Ron, > No offense but I think you just buried a lot of people there. However, if I > interpreted what was being said correctly, most people aren't aware you can > capture what is on the screen by pressing the print scrn button on the > keyboard, then open a word file and paste the image into the document. Then > save to file. A lot easier and not as much snow. LOL Roni Thanks for the advice. First of all, no snow here, all usable facts for the initiated and/or the inquisitive learned. Yes, I realize many people probably ducked and looked over their heads as the information whistled by, but at the same time, many people can ponder and use it to their full advantage. As for using print screen as you suggested, unless you can select the area of the screen you want to capture and/or print, the whole screen image gets captured, including unwanted outside areas. If I want to do that, I use a special "screen capture" utility that I can control the specific areas that get captured (many good graphics programs come with this). I use Paint Shop Pro, a downloadable shareware graphics program that is a good as they come for the money. SEE: http://www.jasc.com for version 7. In closing, you might consider that any tools or tips one can share to help make another's genealogical work successful and/or easier should be appreciated, I would think. If you aren't able to use it personally, why knock it :)) Be Well, RM _________________________________________________________________

I am searching for the parents of William Pitts born 5 Dec 1760 in Chatham Columbia County NY m. about 1787 Salome Wickham died 27 Aug 1839 in Nassau Rensselaer County. Also need parents of Salome. born 13 Oct 1767. Their daughter Anna Pitts born 24 Mar 1796 in Nassau married Daniel Caulkins born 1790 according to census. Would love any information about these people. Margot

Can anyone help those of us with a MacIntosh? None of the instructions seem to apply. Ike Watrous FIWATROUS@aol.com

Pat, Concerning my first post on this subject, I must apologize for a few minor, but potentially confusing typo glitches that the spell checker didn't pick up on, nor did I in scan-editing it before sending it along). See should-bes below in *BOLD CAPS* (asterisks) Paragraph One: "... unto your computer's hard drive *OR* is contained in your computer's ram ..." "... My guess is that *IT* started out ..." "... /microfisch image, *AND* that it is probably still in some type of ..." Paragraph Two: "... , or try it out for free, *OR* use it for free under certain ..." Paragraph Four: "... (1) *DIRECTORY* tree to the left, ..." Paragraph Seven: "... Another method to see all the file names used is *NETSCAPE'S* Control "I" ..." Paragraph Eleven: "... unique key word sure not to be found *IN* a lot of other files" ..." "... it should show up using this method, *UNLESS IT IS IN A HIDDEN FILE OR DIRECTORY*. ..." NOTE: HIDDEN FILES OR DIRECTORIES Some of the directories and files I mentioned are actually attributed as either "hidden" and/or "system" and cannot be accessed or viewed under normal circumstances, unless you are using ZTreeWin. http://www.ztree.com :) That is why I love to use ZTreeWin so much -- everything is seen and internally viewable and nothing is hidden as far as computer files or directories. With ZTree you can unhide files and directories for accessing or viewing with other programs using ZTree's Attribute keystroke command on files (Alt+Attribute for hidden directories.) Ron Myers San Diego

Hi Pat (hope this is ok to send to you via the list for others also), Pat Connors wrote: > I've had a few questions on the Heritage Quest census cds, so I will > send this to the list. > > You can go to > http://www.heritagequest.com > and get all you questions answered. They cost $20 if you are not a > member. Membership costs $30 per year but will end up saving you lots > if you buy lots. If a member they cost $15. > > The images are better than what I've seen on the microfilm and yes you > can print them with many options (zooming in and out). My only > disappointment is you can't save to file but you can print and then scan > to file. Can't save to a file? Your stated method of printing and OCR Scanning the data might be the only way to go. However, you have piqued my computer curiosity, to be sure. Unless they use some type of ghost-image technology streaming process -- like FLASH, that information has to be either been downloaded unto your computer's hard drive os is contained in your computer's ram memory somewhere, somehow either in a graphics image or a text file. My guess is that it it started out as a microfilm/microfisch image, that it is probably still in some type of graphics format. Libraries often use this new digital format method to store and display data, but you can't copy the actual words since it is merely an on-screen image.. GRAPHICS IMAGES: Let's say for sake of argument that this is what is happening. Here is what I would do, if you don't have it already, download the shareware graphics viewing program called ACDSee, probably version 3.1 by now (found at http://www.acdsystems.com/index.htm). ACDSee has a free trial period, or you can buy it over the net for a few paltry bucks or try it out for free of use it for free under certain conditions. It is known to be one of the very best graphics viewing programs available, and can do all sorts of things like save-as change between formats, adjust color/lightness, flip/flop images, do slide shows, etc., etc. (I use it all the time. Well, that's enough for advertising.) After it is installed on your hard drive, open it and browse for internet browser cache files directory under either: (1) C:\windows\temporary internet files; or (2) C:\windows\temp; or (3) your internet browser's cache directory ... Netscape's is: "C:\program files\netscape\users\default (or your name or initials)\cache" ACDSee has viewing window options that you can set. Default settings should show all three windows, (1) file tree to the left, (2) file image directory to the right, (3) and a preview window somewhere in the mix. These are expandable and contractible windows, or you can move them around. In ACDSee's file viewing preference menu, click in either view by name, size, date, extension type, to get an idea (guess at) what the lay-out might be grouped under. My first guess is that they are .gif, or maybe .jpg files, so look for that extension name. Play around a bit, if you looked at a lot at once, they will be grouped together under file date, etc. ACDSee also has different image file viewing preferences: Thumbnail, Large Icons, Small Icons, List, and (File) Details. If you have a great many files, start out with Details, not Thumbnails. You can still see the file image in the preview screen, one at a time. Or try thumbnails and see all at once. If you hit enter over an image file, that will cause the viewer to select that file for full view; page-up/page-down will move forward or backward through the images. When you reach pay dirt, copy/move the image to and preferred directory for safe keeping. Another method: Another method to see all the file names used is Control "I" -- or Open Page Info method (found under Netscape - IE has its own method). A split screen Page Info Viewer will appear showing all the separate frames and image files used at the present URL location -- in the top window. Access the one you want to see and it will show in the bottom window. Click on it in the bottom window and it will appear. If the data you want is in a image file format as first described above, it should give the name of the image file. TEXTUAL FORMATS: If all this fails to show the images as described above. Possibly they are actually in text format (but I doubt it). Try this method. If you use Netscape, as I usually do, bring up the URL page with the desired data on screen. Under Netscape's Command Menu choose View/Page Source or simply press Control "U" for the same results to bring up the Source Code Viewer. A html code viewer will appear and spill all the contents of the current web page unto your screen. Scroll/browse down through the html code for the desired text, which should be easily identifiable amongst the html codes. Codes are couched in <...> brackets. Control "F" will bring up a "find" window. (When done, you can easily close the source code viewer with Alt F4.) For web pages with frames and sub-frames that only show a little bit, and not the whole page, try this. Right-click over the sub-frame area you want to capture into the Source Code Viewer. If in fact there are sub-frames, a mini-mouse menu should appear and should include at the top: "Open Frame in New Window" Select this option and open the desired sub-frame in separate browser window, then try the Source Code Viewer thing again (as described above -- Control "U"). OTHER METHODS: Windows "Find Files or Folders" search utility: Another method is to use your Windows "Find Files or Folders" search utility, found under the Start Menu. Open it and enter either one unique key word sure not to be found i a lot of other files, or three or four conjoining words of the exact text, but no more. (Caution: Make sure you enter the search data in the proper window called: "Containing text," not under the file or folder "Named" window.) If the text data is present somewhere in a file on your computer, it should show up using this method. ZtreeWin: One other very powerful way is to use a file management utility shareware program that I am "married" to, called ZtreeWin (or Ztree), found downloadable under http://www.ztree.com It is a 32 bit Windows version look-alike of the very famous and popular DOS-based file manager called XTree Gold. Try it out, it's shareware and VERY powerful. Costs only $30 if you decide to keep it. Menu and hot-key driven (and easy to use). Ron Myers San Diego ________________________________________________________

How much was each CD? At 06:56 PM 10/8/00 +0000, Pat Connors wrote: >I just recently bought the federal censuses for Rensselaer Co. for 1870 >and 1880 on cds and they are crystal clear, easy to print, zoom in on, >etc. The only problem is that 1880 does not have an index also, you >can't save to a file. But you can print and then scan to a file. I >bought them through Heritage Quest. I am not ready to do lookups but >when I get time I'll let everyone know. > >-- > >Pat Connors, Sacramento CA > > >==== NYRENSSE Mailing List ==== >Archives: http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >Rensselaer County Genweb page: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyrensse/ >GenConnect Board: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/NY/Rensselaer >Listowner, Pat Connors: mailto:nymets11@pacbell.net > > Barb Baxter http://www.pinehurst.net/genealogy/

I've had a few questions on the Heritage Quest census cds, so I will send this to the list. You can go to http://www.heritagequest.com and get all you questions answered. They cost $20 if you are not a member. Membership costs $30 per year but will end up saving you lots if you buy lots. If a member they cost $15. The images are better than what I've seen on the microfilm and yes you can print them with many options (zooming in and out). My only disappointment is you can't save to file but you can print and then scan to file.

RM wrote: >> "EARLY BIRD SAVINGS ON NEW CENSUS CDs, OTHER RESEARCH TITLES" Did anyone else receive this email title from Ancestry.com as I did? What do you think about this offer? Anything worthwhile? << I get a weekly newsletter from them and I did not see anything on Census CDs. However, they do have a special for their online images of the 1790-1920 census records. RIght now this is only for the 1790 Census but they say they are going to have most of it online next year. The special runs through 11/4 and I am going to wait until close to then before I buy in as it is an annual membership and there is not too much to see right now. There was a special set of CD's mentioned but I have no experience with them. Brad Miter/OH

I just recently bought the federal censuses for Rensselaer Co. for 1870 and 1880 on cds and they are crystal clear, easy to print, zoom in on, etc. The only problem is that 1880 does not have an index also, you can't save to a file. But you can print and then scan to a file. I bought them through Heritage Quest. I am not ready to do lookups but when I get time I'll let everyone know. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA

Subject: Ancestry.com -- "EARLY BIRD SAVINGS ON NEW CENSUS CDs, OTHER RESEARCH TITLES" Dear List, Did anyone else receive this email title from Ancestry.com as I did? What do you think about this offer? Anything worthwhile? RM

In a message dated 10/5/00 7:04:46 PM Pacific Daylight Time, xanman@postnet.com writes: >I have been learning more about my Hendricks line and though my >Hendricks family came to America straight to Illinois, it is apparent >that they were from Ostfriesland in Germany alongside the Netherlands. >Scott Hendrickse Scott, you may already know this, but since you didn't say it I thought I might point it out just in case: "Ostfriesland" means East Friesland, and this means that this family came from the Friesian Islands. These mostly long, thin, low, sandy islands lie along the North Sea coast of Europe and stretch from the Netherlands eastwards, right the way across northern Germany to the southwestern coast of Denmark. Because there is no country that is called "Friesland", the people who live on these islands carry Dutch or German or Danish passports. But even today, they can still speak their lovely and precious Friesian language, and it might interest some Anglophones besides myself to know that of all the living languages in the world, the one which is the closest "cousin" to the English language is Friesian! In the Netherlands, there is a Friesland province on the mainland as well; its chief city is Leeuwarden, and if you go there you can still hear people speaking Friesian, as well as Dutch. Since many of you on this list know you have Dutch ancestors, you might have read that your emigrant forbear went to America on a ship that "sailed with the tide from Texel", as many did. Well, Texel is one of the Friesian islands, too. Lin Van Buren Saint Leonard's on Sea, England (just across the Channel from there and down a bit!)

I find a William PRIMMER married to a Jane McCluir at the Muitzeskill REformed Dutch Church in Town of Schodack, Renss Co. on 11 Mar 1792 - maybe this is the parents of your William PRIMMER born about 1795? I find no reference to any PRIMMER births in my source - which is "Vital Records of the Town of Schodack" by Mrs L Harris. Also show a Joseph, Peter and William PRIMMER in 1830 census for Schodack and a William PRIMMER age 84 in 1850 census with Catherine age 40 (Schodack) Hope this helps a little.. Ned Schimminger, just outside Niagara Falls

I am researching the surname PRIMMER or PRIMER. I understand there was a Joseph PRIMMER in the 1800 Schodack census, Peter PRIMMER (Not sure of dates on him) and a William PRIMMER (not sure of dates on him either). One of my ancestors who was born about 1795, named William PRIMMER lists his place of birth as Rennsselaer. If anyone knows of this family or has any information on this family, I would greatly appreciate it. Thank you. / Joan Broneske /(-\ unicorn@softcom.net ,__' / '-' /()__) // \\ ' ' ' '

Try this. a dot after the www works wonders. www.angelfire.com/fl/Sumter/Troy.html ----- Original Message ----- From: <Liztho77@aol.com> To: <NYRENSSE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 17:38 Subject: [NYRENSSE] Re: NYRENSSE-D Digest V00 #208 > Several times I have tried to reach the listing of: > wwwangelfire.com/fl/Sumter/Troy.html > > I received notification that this is either not a valid address or has gone > out of business etc. > > I would like to confirm some marriage, births and death statistics. > > B. Thomas > LizTho77@aol.com > > > ==== NYRENSSE Mailing List ==== > Archives: http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > Rensselaer County Genweb page: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyrensse/ > GenConnect Board: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/NY/Rensselaer > Listowner, Pat Connors: mailto:nymets11@pacbell.net >

At 05:25 PM 10/5/00 -0400, maglag@global2000.net wrote: > I have a Joseph Gibbs who married Sybil Slade who was born 19 Aug 1765 and >died 24 Aug 1805. This would have been in the Town of Hoosick or Pittstown >in Rensselaer County. This is all I know about him but perhaps you could >get more information if you would write to Ellen J. Wiley,Town of Pittstown >Historian,Box 72 Valley Falls, NY 12185. That is where I got my info. > I have a Mercy Gibbs who married Elvin Hunt 11 Jun 1781 at the Dutch Reformed Church in Schaghticoke. She probably would have been born in the 1760s. I know nothing about her other than in 1790 they were living in Cambridge, Washington Co. and in 1800 in Schaghticoke. She died after 1835 when she appeared in court in Troy for some dower rights in some land. Anybody have Gibbs information? Barb Baxter http://www.pinehurst.net/genealogy/

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Several times I have tried to reach the listing of: wwwangelfire.com/fl/Sumter/Troy.html I received notification that this is either not a valid address or has gone out of business etc. I would like to confirm some marriage, births and death statistics. B. Thomas LizTho77@aol.com

In a message dated 10/5/00 7:04:46 PM Pacific Daylight Time, xanman@postnet.com writes: << I have been learning more about my Hendricks line and though my Hendricks family came to America straight to Illinois, it is apparent that they were from Ostfriesland in Germany alongside the Netherlands. In researching my Wilcox line in Rensselaer I have noticed many Hendricks and Hendrickse that I dismissed before. Now I am wondering if anybody out there is familiar with the Hendrickse family. Were they Dutch Reform? Does anybody know where I could start living in Illinois? Scott Hendricks >> Scott, I have a Hendricks ancestor recorded in New Amsterdam (now New York City). She is Claertie (Clara) Hendricks wife of Sergeant Pieter Ebels/Evels. Unfortunately, I know nothing about her parents, siblings or origins, but based on the Dutch patronymic naming system, her father is probably someone named Hendrick as a given name. Of course it's also possible that his surname is Hendricks, but that seems less likely given the early date. The same naming system may apply to the origins of your surname. The first record I have of Clara is the baptism of her daughter (and my ancestor) Elsje (Alice) in the Dutch Reformed Church in New Amsterdam on 16 Oct 1650. The last record I have of her is 24 March 1685 when she appears in the records of the same church as a baptismal sponsor. I believe it is likely that Claertie's siblings would have used the surname Hendricks also, but I have no idea when that surname became fixed. The two male grandchildren (b. 1681 & 1683) of Claertie that I have found used their father's surname (Hetviel/Hatfield), not a surname based on his given name of Thomas (the patronymic system). The people and records I mentioned above were all associated with New Amsterdam. Your question was on the NYRENSSE List, but both areas were Dutch prior to the English takeover in the late 1600s, and I think there was at least a modest interchange of people and commerce between the two areas. Someone else on the list may be able to comment more knowledgeably on that. I've compiled a list of 16 male New Amsterdamers with Hendrick in their name that I'd be happy to share with you if you like. Ed Harrison EHarr76546@cs.com