Hello list(s), I apologize for the cross posting, but could use the help of interested individuals from either list. I am curious if anyone can help me out on some pre-1800 place names. I am researching my family who settled in the area of Albany County (and possibly current Rensselaer County) from 1760 - approximately 1780. I have located several documents that refer to places that they lived but most of these I can not find explicitly on any map or named in any book. Perhaps the places just faded away or as someone suggested to me may have just changed their name after the War of Independance. Any help would be appreciated. 1759 Kinderhook, Albany County 1765 Hoosick Path, Albany County (Is this near either Hoosick or Hoosick Falls?) 1786 "Henry Katzeback late of Files Town County of Albany, State of N, York, but now of Sorel, maketh Oath & saith that he was not in the Kingdom of Great Britain, or Ireland between 13th July 1783 and 23th March 1784. ..." -Loyalist Claim dated 1786. (Someone suggested to me this may be present day Troy, any truth to this?) Thanks! Bill Ketzeback _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

Thank you for that Cliff. It opens up another possibility. Was interested in the mention of the nail factory. A friend looked up a census for me some time ago (1871?) in the search for my Charles Clements, physician, and his son Charles Augustus Clements, and found a Dr Ira Clements who seemed to be attached (no pun intended) to the nail factory. This Ira Clements had a child called Charles living in his home. Does anyone know if these large factories had in-house doctors in those days? Beryl O'Gorman Greensborough Victoria Australia What's your story? Wordweavers Weaving your memories Weaving your stories http://www.wordweavers.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cliff Lamere" <clifflamere@global2000.net> To: <NYRENSSE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2001 2:05 PM Subject: [Rensselaer] Troy in 1869 > I have transcribed the few paragraphs in a state business directory that described Troy in 1869 because I was so surprised about what it said about Troy. The city was in two counties and the two parts were separated by the Hudson River. They were called East Troy and West Troy according to the directory. However, from city directories that I have seen for about 1875, I would say that they were called Troy and W. Troy. > > This should answer Patti Smith's question from May 2nd. She said, "I found an old piece of paper my father was jotting notes about my gggrandfather and I saw "W. Troy" written BUT when my gggrandfather joined the civil war in 1862, he put down his last place of residence was "Troy, NY". > > Both were apparently correct for that year. > > Here is the URL for the the few paragraphs of text which describe the city. > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~clifflamere/Misc/MI-Troy-1869.htm > > Cliff >

Hi I am new to the list. I am searching for Mary Ann Nolan born April 1, 1854 in Schaghticoke. Her father's name would be Patrick Nolan from Ireland. I do not have any other information at the present on the rest of the family. If you are researching this family or have access to an 1855 census and can do a look up I would love to hear from you. (Mary Ann married Michael Corrigan at some point and settled in Aurora Illinois where their first child was born in 1878.) Sincerely, Stephanie

I have transcribed the few paragraphs in a state business directory that described Troy in 1869 because I was so surprised about what it said about Troy. The city was in two counties and the two parts were separated by the Hudson River. They were called East Troy and West Troy according to the directory. However, from city directories that I have seen for about 1875, I would say that they were called Troy and W. Troy. This should answer Patti Smith's question from May 2nd. She said, "I found an old piece of paper my father was jotting notes about my gggrandfather and I saw "W. Troy" written BUT when my gggrandfather joined the civil war in 1862, he put down his last place of residence was "Troy, NY". Both were apparently correct for that year. Here is the URL for the the few paragraphs of text which describe the city. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~clifflamere/Misc/MI-Troy-1869.htm Cliff

Hi New Members, Following is a list of links that can be found on my web page - hope they will be helpful. http://members.tripod.com/~JeffriesB My FAVORITE LINKS THE NEW YORK BARRINGERS Desc. of Johannes Coonradt Beringer DAVID and HANS GEORGE BARRINGER Some of their descendants TINKLEPAUGH Family Genealogy ZUFELD- HOLTSAPPLE Family Genealogies WEIDERWACKS/WEATHERWAX/WITHERWAX Some of the desc. of Andreas Weiderwacks jb's GENEALOGY PAGE Many surnames with descendants incl.: Uline, Dix, Bidwell, Clapper, Cooper, Doty, Carmon, Black, Brust, etc etc. RENSSELAER COUNTY, NY WEB PAGE Includes Church, Census, & Cemetery records. DEFOREST-DEFREEST / WENDELL A few descendants of David Defreest (1747-1815)and a few descendants of Philip Wendell (1741-1812) HEAD OF HOUSEHOLD - 1870 - CENSUS Troy fifth ward - Nassau - Poestenkill - Berlin - Grafton (all Renssealaer Co., NY) WITBECK/WHITBECK Family Genealogy JETS - JEETS - YEATS - YATES Some of the descendants of Joseph Yates KLOCKNER-CLICKNER Some of the descendants of Johannes(George) Klockner (1741-1833) RUNNELLS/REYNOLDS Some descendants of Thomas & Christina (Mohr) Runnells/Reynolds. REICHARD Some of the descendants of Michael Reichard of Rensselaer Co. SCHNEIDER/SNYDER Some of the early Snyders of Rensselaer Co. KUHLMANN/KILLMORE/KILMER Some of the desc. of Johannes & Anna Veronica (Becker) Kilmer LINCK/LYNK/LINK Some of the desc. of Johann Wilhelm & Anna Eva (Firsback) Link PHILIPP/PHILLIP/PHILLIPS/PHILIPS Some of the desc. of Johann Petrus & Magdalena Philip BRANDAW - BRANDAU - BRANDO - BRANDOW Some of the descendants of Johann Wilhelm & Maria Elisabetha Catharina Brandow of Greene Co., NY For living desc. contact Joe Travis jtravis@parl.net and Lisa Orecchio genealogy@orecchio.net DIEDRICH and LAMPMAN Some of the desc. of Johann Friederich Dietrich and some of the desc. of Johann Peter Lampman PERSON and DEWITT A few of the desc. of Matthys & Jan Person and a few of the desc. of Lucas Dewitt - Ulster & Greene Co. PULVER Some of the desc. of Johann Wilhelm (Wendel) Pulver - a Palatine German family. WILTSE - WILLSE - WILSIE Some of the desc. of Marten Hendrickse Wiltse RENSSELAER CO. PROBATE ABSTRACTS #1 1790 and up RENSSELAER CO. PROBATE ABSTRACTS #2 continued from #1 MARRIAGES - GILEAD LUTHERAN CHURCH -Center Brunswick, Rensselaer Co., NY 1802 to 1859 MARRIAGES - SCHODACK REFORMED DUTCH CHURCH at Muitzeskill - Rensselaer Co., NY 1788 to 1846 MARRIAGES - REFORMED PROTESTANT DUTCH CHURCH at NASSAU - Rensselaer Co., NY 1805 -1848 DUTCHESS COUNTY CEMETERIES Interments before 1880 KREBSER/CRAPSEY/CROPSEY Desc. of Wm, Valentine, & Ananias Cropsey COONRADT A few of the desc. of Adam and Elisabeth (Clum) Coonradt ANTHONY Some of the early Anthony familes RENSSELAER COUNTY DEATHS 1850-1860-1870-1880 Mortality Schedules & 1875 State Census RENSSELAER CO. MARRIAGES 1864 & 1865 RENSSELAER Co. MARRIAGES 1874 &1875 MARRIAGES from TROY churches 1st Presby. Ch. and State St. Meth. Ch. OAKWOOD CEMETERY BURIALS, Troy, NY includes date of death, place of birth, age, & parents BLOOMING GROVE CHURCH RECORDS -Rens. Co. Births 1814-1865 ----Marriages 1831-1862 ---- Deaths 1895-1926 MARRIAGES St. Paul's Episcopal Ch. of Troy - 1805-1829 ----!st Presbyterian Ch. of Brunswick 1876-1887 --- 1st Presbyterian Ch. of Lansingburgh 1840-1848 MORE RENSSELAER CO. DEATHS Incl. Burials from ST PAUL'S EPISCOPAL CH. of TROY and SOCIETY OF FRIENDS BAPTISMS - St. Paul's Episcopal Ch., Troy, NY 1804-1826 BIRTHS & BAPTISMS 1st Presbyterian Ch., Brunswick 1812-1832 and Society of Friends 1743-1840- both Rensselaer Co. MARRIAGES >From Troy, NY newspapers 1798-1859 JEFF LAPE'S PAGE Lowe/Lape genealogy and more SCHENECTADY PUBLIC LIBRARY Churches, Cemeteries, Biog., genealogies, etc. ST. PETER'S EPISCOPAL CHURCH of Albany Marriages 1756-1768 and Baptisms 1757-1759 NEW SALEM REFORMED CHURCH Town of New Scotland, Albany Co. marriages 1794 -1797 and births 1786 -1788 WESTERLO VITAL RECORDS, Albany Co. births, deaths, & marriages 1847 - 1848 - 1849 COLUMBIA CO., NY BURIAL INDEX Index of names and list of cemeteries SIMON/SIMMONS Some of the desc. of Albertus Simon, Jr. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/

Hi, If my ancestor lived in what used to be called West Troy (1840's), can you tell me what the nearest catholic church would have been? Hopefully it is still around as well. I found an old piece of paper my father was jotting notes about my gggrandfather and I saw "W. Troy" written BUT when my gggrandfather joined the civil war in 1862, he put down his last place of residence was "Troy, NY". Just wondering. Thanks, Patti

Hello , Many thanks to Patti Smith for the Cornell U web site reference. Madge > Hello All, > > Since I got a lot of responses regarding the Cornell website with > directories and such, I thought I would post this to the list so that > everyone can get it at once. > > GOTO: > <http://cdl.library.cornell.edu/moa/> > > At the top left of the page click on "search" (both books and journals) > Type in "New York" > Click on the line item that has the "books" listed. > Click on #5, John Warner Barber: > Click on "special index" > (Be sure to look around in here! There is so much wonderful information!) > Type in Page# 8 (this is the listing of counties, townships and villages) > Type in Page#294. > This is the first page of the history of Rensselaer with Troy info to > follow. > > FOR THE 1870 BUSINESS DIRECTORY AND GAZETTE FOR THE ENTIRE STATE OF NEW YORK > (Troy directions below) > > At the search engine, type in "New York State" (both books and journals) > Click on #5 Boyd's business directory and gazetter for 1870 > Click on Table of Contents > Type in Page #530 > You will see the first page of the directory-Heading- > "Troy, Rennselaer county > The pages to follow after the introduction about Rennselaer County will have > the alphabetical city directory. > > > I have other directions to books, articles, etc. but I think once you get in > there you will get the hang of it you will have no problem looking around > and locating things. > > > I hope this helps. > > Patti > Orlando, Fl > > > > > > Patti Smith > > > ==== NYRENSSE Mailing List ==== > Some Rensselaer Births, Marriages & Deaths: > http://www.angelfire.com/fl/Sumter/Troy.html > Rensselaer County Genweb page: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyrensse/ > GenConnect Board: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/NY/Rensselaer > 1880 Fed Census: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com > To join the L form http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/usa/NY/rensselaer.html >

Hello All, Since I got a lot of responses regarding the Cornell website with directories and such, I thought I would post this to the list so that everyone can get it at once. GOTO: <http://cdl.library.cornell.edu/moa/> At the top left of the page click on "search" (both books and journals) Type in "New York" Click on the line item that has the "books" listed. Click on #5, John Warner Barber: Click on "special index" (Be sure to look around in here! There is so much wonderful information!) Type in Page# 8 (this is the listing of counties, townships and villages) Type in Page#294. This is the first page of the history of Rensselaer with Troy info to follow. FOR THE 1870 BUSINESS DIRECTORY AND GAZETTE FOR THE ENTIRE STATE OF NEW YORK (Troy directions below) At the search engine, type in "New York State" (both books and journals) Click on #5 Boyd's business directory and gazetter for 1870 Click on Table of Contents Type in Page #530 You will see the first page of the directory-Heading- "Troy, Rennselaer county The pages to follow after the introduction about Rennselaer County will have the alphabetical city directory. I have other directions to books, articles, etc. but I think once you get in there you will get the hang of it you will have no problem looking around and locating things. I hope this helps. Patti Orlando, Fl Patti Smith

Morning All, I am hoping for some information regarding a catholic church in Troy in 1851. Over the weekend I was looking over the Troy business directory that is on the Cornell University website and I have a question. The first page of the directoy (before the actual directory) gives the history of Rennselaer County and from there I went to the page about Troy. In the information that is provided, it lists how many of each denomination of churches there are in Troy at the time of the printing of the gazette. I am interested in the catholic church and it says that there is only 1 in Troy in 1851. Can anyone tell me which church that would be? My gggrandfather belonged to the catholic church in 1865 when he relocated to Illinois after the war, so I would think this would be my first avenue to locate his birth record. Thanks, Patti Orlando, Fl

Since 1880 is when NY started doing birth and death certificates(some cities did it earlier, some where not very diligent ), you could look for a death or birth certificate. Since you do not know the exact dates, this means you would have to see if your city clerk (or whoever holds those records) would look through a few months. If you get a certificate of one of the children who dies, you could go to where they were buried and ask them to see if the children are buried together (or if you family had a common cemetery that they all used). This will save you money, since the city clerk will charge you per certificate and the cemetery will probably do it for no fee. You could also use the NYS archives, they have an index of death,births, and marriages for that time period. Very valuable source of info. Again that is also free. If you are interested in the 2 living children, search the city directories ( If the family lived in Troy at least). In one or more of those years, the children should be old enough to hold a job and will be listed in there. Match up the address of known relatives with the names of unknown relatives who live at the same address. Good Luck. ----- Original Message ----- From: <LLMAHS@aol.com> To: <NYRENSSE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2001 5:26 AM Subject: [Rensselaer] finding children relatives born between 1880 and 1900 > In the 1900 census it lists my Ggrandmother as having had 8 children. 5 of > which were still alive. I know of only 3 since they show up on the 1880 > census. So some must have been born after 1880. ( oldest being 7) > > I checked with the church and they do not have records on them. So the > question I have is does anyone have a suggestion to find out more about those > 2 children still alive? Would anyone have any suggestion on finding out about > the 3 that died? > > Thanks for your suggestions! > Laura Hannon Smith > > Looking for these names around the turn of the century. > > HANNON > McCARTHY > JENNINGS > JACKSON > MOONEY > MURRY > GREGWARE > CONWAY > > > ==== NYRENSSE Mailing List ==== > Barbara's Genealogy Page: http://members.tripod.com/~JeffriesB > Rensselaer County Genweb page: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyrensse/ > GenConnect Board: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/NY/Rensselaer > 1880 Fed Census: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com >

In the 1900 census it lists my Ggrandmother as having had 8 children. 5 of which were still alive. I know of only 3 since they show up on the 1880 census. So some must have been born after 1880. ( oldest being 7) I checked with the church and they do not have records on them. So the question I have is does anyone have a suggestion to find out more about those 2 children still alive? Would anyone have any suggestion on finding out about the 3 that died? Thanks for your suggestions! Laura Hannon Smith Looking for these names around the turn of the century. HANNON McCARTHY JENNINGS JACKSON MOONEY MURRY GREGWARE CONWAY

Thank you everyone for all your help on my Kopeck/Copeck dilemma! It really is Copake in Columbia County - and that explains why my father said his parents were from Columbia County (which was confusing when I discovered my grandmother was from Castleton in Rensselaer County!). Mary __________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/

In a message dated 4/26/01 4:33:10 PM Mountain Daylight Time, rom1136@epix.net writes: << but the 7th dayers and the Mormons are considered to be followers of hair-brained schemes thought up by cultic leaders, rather than followers of the plain teachings of scriptures. >> I don't believe that this is pertinent to the purpose of this list. Keep it private if you feel the need to air your beliefs. I am not a member of either of these groups but I don't think that your comments belong on a genealogy list.

Thanks to persons who responded to question about two Philip Links. Thanks also to people who sent Don and Clare Radz' E-mail address. I also received an E-mail from Charlyne with an attachment. I never open attachments from unknown persons. This time I took a chance because I felt it was from a genealogy person. I contacted Charlyne (CLYNK@mindspring.com) when attachment did not open. She E-mailed back that she did not send me an E-mail with an attachment. She had this problem a few days ago and opened an attachment with a virus. She asked me to post to this list not to open any mail from Charlyne with an attachment. I also want to share that I have diaries covering the years from 1860 to 1888. These were written by my ggggrandfather, and they often have bits of information about other families living in Poestenkill area at that time. Beverly

Suzanne: I don't know what church you want a member list from. The State Library has several including, I think the Berlin Baptist Church. You would probably have to go there to look at them unless someone has a copy and posts them because reference books don't generally circulate. Roberts' New York in the Revolution gives lists of military units. The State Archives has a few Rev. Vet records, underscore few. And you might find Florence Christoph's book useful. I never can remember the name of it, but the State Library has it so you could pick up the exact title from their catalog by searching on author. It's tax and military lists, etc. from the Revolutionary period. Marie Original Message---------------------- Hello List, Questions to Pat and Marie, Is there a list of church member? Is there a list of revolutionary soldiers that fought with Rensselear? Is there a list of men who put in for land through revolutionary war grants in this area? I am trying to find information about Levi Hicks born in Warren, R.I. abt. 1760-65 and married in Delaware Co., NewYork to Mary Waters. His grave has a 1776 marker and his headstone says he is a Captain. He died in Ohio in 1821. Also that virus was in another list I subscribe to. Do not open attachments!!! Thank You Suzanne Boyle

Hi, Liz. I'm not sure the Mormons a.k.a. Latter Day Saints consider it not loyal to go to Baptist churches. I don't know of every case, but in a couple of cases known to me the parents sent their children to Baptist day schools, and in this case I am referring to the children were sent to regular Baptists who worship on the "Lord's Day" when Jesus rose from the dead, not the one's who are "Seventh Day Baptists/Seventh Day Adventists" who are convinced that the Old Testament Day used for worship by the Jews was unaffected by the Lord Jesus' Death, Burial, & Resurrection. In the cases I know, the Mormon children were encouraged to undergo an evangelistic conversion to Christianity (in the sense of getting right with God and entering into a personal relationship with Him) prior to graduation from high school, and then they were to decide by the end of high school whether to participate in the Mormon requirement to go out as two-year missionaries for the Mormons immediately afterwards. In another case known to me there was a Mormon child in my cabin at a summer camp who told me she was from a Mormon church. I expressed surprise that they would send her to an evangelistic camp, and she told me that they had both in their youth experienced conversions to Christ, and wanted the same for her. I think a lot of them just consider the Baptists to be a lower form of saint-hood than the Mormons' form of being "latter-day saints." The Seventh day worshippers would actually be more hostile to Baptists worshipping on the Lord's Day than the Mormons would be upset by the practices of either group of "Baptists." The term "Baptist" indicates beliefs in: priesthood of all believers, sufficiency of the Word of God for all matters of faith and practice, independance of the local assembly from outside or higher groups, declaration of faith publicly to be done by immersion after an experience of faith professed by a credible person (not an infant), and the like. The Baptists who worship on the Lord's Day are considered by the evangelical world to be within the pale of Protestant Christianity, but the 7th dayers and the Mormons are considered to be followers of hair-brained schemes thought up by cultic leaders, rather than followers of the plain teachings of scriptures. Hope this helps you trace out your Whipples. Incidentally, I had a very fine "Mr. Whipple" teacher in high school Algebra and Bible Survey whose parents had been missionaries under the Evangelical Alliance in old Indo-China. -Joy -----Original Message----- From: MommyBake@aol.com <MommyBake@aol.com> To: NYRENSSE-L@rootsweb.com <NYRENSSE-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 5:25 PM Subject: Re: [Rensselaer] Rhode Island Families to Rensselaer County Since we have such knowledgable people on this list, I'd now enjoy a history lesson on the difference in the seventh day baptists, seventh day adventists and the latter day saints religious groups. I've been trying to figure out which of these my ancestors are. I know the name I'm researching(Whipple) is known to be LDS but one record I found was in a BAptist church in Albany. I'm confused! Were they loyal to there religion or is it true that they went to the most convenient church. THanks liz PS. Enjoyed all the migration accounts...my relatives were from RI originally! ==== NYRENSSE Mailing List ==== Some Rensselaer Births, Marriages & Deaths: http://www.angelfire.com/fl/Sumter/Troy.html Rensselaer County Genweb page: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyrensse/ GenConnect Board: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/NY/Rensselaer GenExchange-Rensselaer Co http://www.genexchange.org/county.cfm?state=ny&county=rensselaer

Copake is in the southern part of Columbia County. Castleton on Hudson is close to Albany. I would guess there is about 45 miles between them. I have have no doubt Copake is the place you are looking for. Kitty

I too got an attachment sent to me with a real old email I had sent to the list. Don't open any attachments, this one appeared to be sent by myself to me!!

I would like to say a big THANK YOU to everyone who sent along suggestions to me about how to go about ordering from the FHC. I ordered the 1842 city directory, the 1848 directory and the 1850 census too! All on my lunch hour and I still got to eat my tuna fish sandwich to boot! While I was waiting I looked through the book of the microfiche that had been ordered and stays at that FHC and I found the 1860 city directory and I am pretty sure I found my gggrandfather listed just 2 years before he entered the civil war!! Thanks again. Patti

I am certain that the place referred to as Kopeck or Copeck would be Copake which I seem to recall is right near Castleton. Ned Schimminger - PS Thanks for the Virus Warnings!! Luckily I never open anything that someone hasn;t specifically told me they are sending. Such was the case here.