Hi, If you look at the 1870 census you will see: Bonesteel, Peter Abigail Andrew HANER, JOHN L. 7 Campbell, John 23 ABIGAIL 35 John L. Haner is Abigail Bonesteel's (b.c. 1835)son - she was married to Levi Haner prior to 1858 - he died in 1862 Civil War. ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs

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YES!! Please DO continue to post the Bonesteel info. I don't know whether there is a connection to any of my family, but a comment was passed by my father (who died in 2002) mentioning the name years ago. Something about a murder, a "bastard" relation, and another name which I do not remember. Knowing his sense of humor, it could have been a joke, etc. But when I heard the name Bonesteel, it got my attention. If I hadn't seen these postings, I would not have thought of it. Now I'm curious... Sheila

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Hi Barbara, We already had Peters dates, so your info confirmed his given name of Petrus and also picked up some more siblings names/dates. I guess his parents names are in there somewhere, I just haven't looked at it closely yet. I have been chasing after Abigail and Marys families which I think I have pretty much sorted out now. You certainly are right about "what a mess"! It's fun though, that's why we do it. :-D :-D :-\ :-\ !!!! Regards Dave Barbara Jeffries wrote: >Go to my Coonradt web page and you will find Peter's >birth - Gilead Lutheran Church > >http://members.tripod.com/~JeffriesB/index-26.html > > > >

Hi Barbara, I had already found this information and also agree with your conclusions with one difference--George Mirer may have been the father, but Mary was unmarried at the time of birth. We are searching for the marriage record as well as for the birth record of Andrew to prove or disprove this. Elisabeth [Betsy] and Almon Weden, were also living with David as "borders" 5 years earlier and he was listed as a widower then. Hmmmmm !!! Because of the ages we think Betsy might possibly be Almons grandmother but not sure. We are also looking for Weeden/Weden and Hill records Daughter Abigail was married to John Campbell and they also lived on the family farm for awhile. Your website has been a treasure trove of information for me, thank you very much, and I will post what we find out next for anyone connected with the Bonesteel families. Best regards Dave Rinsem Barbara Jeffries wrote: >1855 Grafton > >David Bonesteel 56 >Betsy Weedwn 50 boarder >ALMOND HILL 9 boarder > > > >____________________________________________________ >Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page >http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > >==== NYRENSSE Mailing List ==== >The NYRENSSE Mailing List Website >http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYRensse/ >A place to unsub, change your subscription, access the archives and links. > > > >

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Hi, I had forgotten the the 1855 census transcription for Grafton is on the Rens. Co. page - Peter was born in Rens. Co. and Abigail had been in Grafton for 25 years and Peter for 49 - it lists his daughters, Abigail 20 and Mary 18. The 1860 census has in the same household: George Mires 25 Mary 23, Martha J. 2, Mary A. 1/12 Peter Bonesteel 54 Abigail 50, Almon 14, Andrew 4 Considering how some of the census takers listed people I might be inclined to think that Andrew was really the son of Mary (Peter's daughter)and George Mires. They often listed people in two different households at the same time depending upon who was present at the time, so you never know. In 1850 there is : David L. Bonesteel 52 Sarah P. 13 (?) Elizabeth WEDEN 45 ALMON WEDEN 4 (again Almon could have been Bonesteel - he is the only Almon of that age in Grafton). What a mess!!!! Have fun. BArbara __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html

Hi Barbara, Thank you for the information that brings us one step closer to who the parents of Peter are and ultimately who the parents of Andrew were. We now also suspect that Peter and Abigal were not son Almons parents either. Our suspicions all along were that Peter decended from the family of Nicolaus and his son Lodwick. Should know next week !!! Best regards Dave Rinsem Barbara Jeffries wrote: >Hi, >I am desc. of Bonesteel-Simmons. At one time I had >scads of info on Bonesteel, but I never got around to >putting them in any kind of order so I threw it all >out when I was making space for other things. > >Here is an abstract of a will from my web page: > >BONESTEEL, Nicolaus of Troy 26 Nov 1806 - 5 Sep 1809. >Heirs: s-i-l, Jeremiah Smith; deceased son, Frederick >Bonesteel; sons, Lodwick, Philip, & Henry Bonesteel; >daughters: Anna Margaret w/o Henry Simmons, Jr.; >Catharine w/o Abraham simmons; Anna Maria w/o Killian >Richart; Hanna w/o Jeremiah Smith; and Magdalena w/o >Henry Wager. > >One of these sons may or maynot be the father of >Peter. >When your wife gets to Troy she should check the 1855 >census to see what county Peter was born in, provided >he was there at that time. Also, the Troy Library has >abstracts of Columbia Co. wills. The Rensselaer Co. >probate records are in the Surrogate's Office in the >Courthouse next to the Library - the library also has >some of the church records in book form. > >Happy hunting. > >Barbara > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >

Hi, I am desc. of Bonesteel-Simmons. At one time I had scads of info on Bonesteel, but I never got around to putting them in any kind of order so I threw it all out when I was making space for other things. Here is an abstract of a will from my web page: BONESTEEL, Nicolaus of Troy 26 Nov 1806 - 5 Sep 1809. Heirs: s-i-l, Jeremiah Smith; deceased son, Frederick Bonesteel; sons, Lodwick, Philip, & Henry Bonesteel; daughters: Anna Margaret w/o Henry Simmons, Jr.; Catharine w/o Abraham simmons; Anna Maria w/o Killian Richart; Hanna w/o Jeremiah Smith; and Magdalena w/o Henry Wager. One of these sons may or maynot be the father of Peter. When your wife gets to Troy she should check the 1855 census to see what county Peter was born in, provided he was there at that time. Also, the Troy Library has abstracts of Columbia Co. wills. The Rensselaer Co. probate records are in the Surrogate's Office in the Courthouse next to the Library - the library also has some of the church records in book form. Happy hunting. Barbara __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Hi Barbara, Thank you for the reply. Yes, we have all the census records and knew that Peter was his grandfather and such. This was always a closed topic among family members even though everyone knew that Andrew was illegitimate and that Peter and Abigal were the grandparents. My mother-in-law, Addie Ruth [Bonesteel] Timber said that whenever the question was raised by her to her father Charles E.Bonesteel [Andrews son], it was : "You will not ask those questions, they are his parents!" End of conversation. My wife Jane asked Charlie about this and got her head bit off over it. My wife will be in Troy next week and this question is one of the things she is looking for answers to.We don't know if it was an unmarried Bonesteel girl or a Bonesteel boy and do not think it was just an adoption of a non Bonesteel boy. The idea of a probate record is one we had not really thought of and could well provide the answer. 1880 census: John Hayner is a shirttail relative from way back thru a Bonesteel/Hayner marriage and there are many Hayners in the immediate area, several of which worked on the farm as kids. Christina Rodgers is the sister of Andrews wife Ruth Rodgers. The unnamed 1 month old son was Loren A. Thanks again for your interest and reply. Regards Dave Rinsem Barbara Jeffries wrote: >Your best bet is to search for a probate record for >Peter - especially the Petition and other papers which >should tell something about Andrew's parentage. > > > > > >

Hi all, Just checking once again for my Irish ancestors, both in Ireland (Cork) and in Rensselaer Co. especially Troy, NY . McKeon-Moriarty from Centre 5, Cork City ( 35 Kyles St.) Manning-Connell from Carrignavar, Dunbullage, Co. Cork. Any help appreciated. Thanks, Rita

Cole, Thanks very much for your response! I will research this lead and see where it takes me. I will let you know what I find. However, it may take me a week or two since I can not spend as much time as I want on my family genealogy effort. Thanks again! Regards, Wayne -----Original Message----- From: Cole Waite [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 12:48 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [Rensselaer] Simmons/Simonds Hi Wayne, I have one obscure reference to Simonds which I'll send to you. The connection is that my family is from Stephentown from 1790 to 1880. The note on the photo is "Cliff Waite's great grandmother Simonds". If she is from my side she may have been from Sand Lake. And she would have been born about the same time as your William. Otherwise she is a Waterman in Montana. This is all I have. Cliff is the nephew of my Grandfather Waite. Cole At 10:00 PM 8/4/2005, you wrote: > >I have traced my family to William Simmons and Betsey Ives of Sand Lake, >Rensselaer, NY but can not find either of their parents. Does anyone have >any information about William Simmons or Betsey Ives? Statistics follow: > >William Simmons b. 16 Jun 1796 probably in Troy, Rensselaer, NY, d. 4 Apr >1872 in Michigan >married Betsey in Sand Lake, Rensselaer, NY on 14 Mar 1815. > >Betsey Ives b. 29 Jul 1797 in Sand Lake, Rensselaer, NY, d. 24 Feb 1871 in >Michigan > >After marriage they moved to Rotterdam, Schenectady, NY about 1826. Then >they move again to Wheatfield, Niagara, NY about 1836. Then they moved to >Berlin, Ionia, Michigan about 1852. > >If you have information about William or Betsey I would appreciate you >contacting me via email at your earliest convenience. >Thanks very much for your help! > >Best Regards, > >Wayne Simmons -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.1/64 - Release Date: 8/4/2005 ==== NYRENSSE Mailing List ==== The NYRENSSE Mailing List Website http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYRensse/ A place to unsub, change your subscription, access the archives and links.

Hi Wayne, I have one obscure reference to Simonds which I'll send to you. The connection is that my family is from Stephentown from 1790 to 1880. The note on the photo is "Cliff Waite's great grandmother Simonds". If she is from my side she may have been from Sand Lake. And she would have been born about the same time as your William. Otherwise she is a Waterman in Montana. This is all I have. Cliff is the nephew of my Grandfather Waite. Cole At 10:00 PM 8/4/2005, you wrote: > >I have traced my family to William Simmons and Betsey Ives of Sand Lake, >Rensselaer, NY but can not find either of their parents. Does anyone have >any information about William Simmons or Betsey Ives? Statistics follow: > >William Simmons b. 16 Jun 1796 probably in Troy, Rensselaer, NY, d. 4 Apr >1872 in Michigan >married Betsey in Sand Lake, Rensselaer, NY on 14 Mar 1815. > >Betsey Ives b. 29 Jul 1797 in Sand Lake, Rensselaer, NY, d. 24 Feb 1871 in >Michigan > >After marriage they moved to Rotterdam, Schenectady, NY about 1826. Then >they move again to Wheatfield, Niagara, NY about 1836. Then they moved to >Berlin, Ionia, Michigan about 1852. > >If you have information about William or Betsey I would appreciate you >contacting me via email at your earliest convenience. >Thanks very much for your help! > >Best Regards, > >Wayne Simmons -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.1/64 - Release Date: 8/4/2005

Hi Donna, Thanks for the reply. We can never get more than we wanted to know, as that one little kernal of infomation may lead to a whole ear of corn. My wife Jane [the Bonesteel], lived in Wynantskill for her first 21 years , and her mother Addie Ruth Timber lived on Hidley Road all her life. She died last year at 91. Janes brother, Chuck Little, still lives on the old homestead acrossed the road from her house. Best regards Dave Rinsem Donna K. Vaughn wrote:

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According to the 1880 census, Peter was Andrew's grandfather: Andrew BONESTEEL Self M Male W 24 NY Farmer NY NY Ruth A. BONESTEEL Wife M Female W 19 NY Keeping House NY NY Peter BONESTEEL GFather W Male W 75 NY Stone Mason NY NY BONESTEEL Son S Male W 1M NY NY NY Christina RODGERS Other S Female W 14 NY House Keeper NY NY John L. HAYNER Other S Male W 17 NY Farm Laborer NY NY ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs

You may have already tried this route, as I see you provide information to the current time and indicate your mother was a Bonesteel. I grew up in this area and recall many Bonesteel's. Just now, I took a quick look in the online white pages just for Troy, and there are 22 Bonesteel's listed. I've had good luck a few times when researching my own surnames, writing or calling people who have the same surname and asking if they might have a connection. In fact, I became a penpal of sorts to a sweet elderly man in a nursing home down south, who after reading my letter scribbled down everything he knew about our shared ancestors (his great niece got my letter and forwarded it to him). He was in his 90's and had very good recall. Well, that's more than you probably wanted to know! Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: "dave rinsem" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 10:24 PM Subject: [Rensselaer] BONESTEEL/BOHNENSTIEL > Hi gang, > Looking to fill in the gaps between my grandfather CHARLES EDWARD > BONESTEEL and the patriarch of the original NY family NICOLAUS > BOHNENSTIEL of the Palatine migration in 1710. > > Mother- Addie Ruth Bonesteel b.1912-d.2004,-married Fred Little, married > George Timber Jr. > Grandfather-Charles E. Bonesteel b.1884, d. 1964- married Susan > Christina Wend > Greatgrandfather-Andrew Peter Bonesteel b.1855 d. 1931- married Ruth A. > Rogers > GGGrandfather-Peter Bonesteel b.1805 d. 1890- married Abigail [may have > "adopted" Andrew Peter] > All family members settled in Renssalaer County, New York. > > ???????????? missing generation and likely 2 generations > > Nicolaus Bohnenstiel b. 1689[?] in NuBbach, Germany [20 km N. of > Kaiserslautern ], married prior to 1705 to: > Anna Catharina Haasen b. 1689[?] in NuBbach, Germany. > child: > Johan Nicolaus b. 26 Oct. 1707, born in Germany, and there may have been a > 2nd child prior to arriving in the US. > > Emigrated to US in 1710 and settled in Hunter, Dutchess County, New York. > It appears both children died prior to first listing of family on Hunter > list of 4 Oct.1710, as only 2 adults listed. > Hunter list of 24 Dec. 1711 shows 1 child , 2 adults [probably daughter > Elisabetha who married Balthasor Simon]. > Hunter list of 25 March 1712 shows 1 child, 1 adult [ probably death of > wife Anna Catharina Haasen] > Hunter list of 24 June 1712 shows 1 child, 3 adults [probably new wife > Anna Margaretha Kuhn and 1 of her family members.] > children: > Elisabetha- married Balthasor Simon > Susanna Margaretha b. 5 Nov. 1714-married Georg Andreas Michel > Anna Barbara- married Michel Simon > Nicolaus b. 17 March 1722-married Anna Elisabeth Trebor > Johann David b. 27 April 1726-married Anna Barbara Hagedorn > Johann Peter b. 1727-married Anna Elisabeth Simon > Johann Philip b. 18 Jan. 1730-married Elisabetha Hagedorn > Johann Friederick b. 6 March 1732-married Catherina Mayer > > We suspect Nicolaus, born 1722, may be a link and thus 1 of his male > children, but have no proof-----yet! > We also have many of the family members of these 8 children. > Hopefully my trip to RenssalaerCounty next week will provide me with some > clues, or hopefully answers. > . > Regards > Jane Rinsem[Bonesteel mother] > Rochester,NY > > > ==== NYRENSSE Mailing List ==== > Do you have Irish ancestors who landed, lived or passed through NY State? > Join a new list related to the history, culture and geneology of the Irish > in NY > mailto:[email protected]?body=subscribe >

Hi gang, Looking to fill in the gaps between my grandfather CHARLES EDWARD BONESTEEL and the patriarch of the original NY family NICOLAUS BOHNENSTIEL of the Palatine migration in 1710. Mother- Addie Ruth Bonesteel b.1912-d.2004,-married Fred Little, married George Timber Jr. Grandfather-Charles E. Bonesteel b.1884, d. 1964- married Susan Christina Wend Greatgrandfather-Andrew Peter Bonesteel b.1855 d. 1931- married Ruth A. Rogers GGGrandfather-Peter Bonesteel b.1805 d. 1890- married Abigail [may have "adopted" Andrew Peter] All family members settled in Renssalaer County, New York. ???????????? missing generation and likely 2 generations Nicolaus Bohnenstiel b. 1689[?] in NuBbach, Germany [20 km N. of Kaiserslautern ], married prior to 1705 to: Anna Catharina Haasen b. 1689[?] in NuBbach, Germany. child: Johan Nicolaus b. 26 Oct. 1707, born in Germany, and there may have been a 2nd child prior to arriving in the US. Emigrated to US in 1710 and settled in Hunter, Dutchess County, New York. It appears both children died prior to first listing of family on Hunter list of 4 Oct.1710, as only 2 adults listed. Hunter list of 24 Dec. 1711 shows 1 child , 2 adults [probably daughter Elisabetha who married Balthasor Simon]. Hunter list of 25 March 1712 shows 1 child, 1 adult [ probably death of wife Anna Catharina Haasen] Hunter list of 24 June 1712 shows 1 child, 3 adults [probably new wife Anna Margaretha Kuhn and 1 of her family members.] children: Elisabetha- married Balthasor Simon Susanna Margaretha b. 5 Nov. 1714-married Georg Andreas Michel Anna Barbara- married Michel Simon Nicolaus b. 17 March 1722-married Anna Elisabeth Trebor Johann David b. 27 April 1726-married Anna Barbara Hagedorn Johann Peter b. 1727-married Anna Elisabeth Simon Johann Philip b. 18 Jan. 1730-married Elisabetha Hagedorn Johann Friederick b. 6 March 1732-married Catherina Mayer We suspect Nicolaus, born 1722, may be a link and thus 1 of his male children, but have no proof-----yet! We also have many of the family members of these 8 children. Hopefully my trip to RenssalaerCounty next week will provide me with some clues, or hopefully answers. . Regards Jane Rinsem[Bonesteel mother] Rochester,NY