Hi Richard, I tried WorldConnect several years ago, but will try again and will also check out your website. Thanks so much for the suggestions. Bobby Green Brown

Hi Bobby, I have a number of the early Staats family members on my website at: www.angelfire.com/ga4/myhayes_family. Have you tried WorldConnect to find members of the family? Richard From the shores of Grand Traverse Bay

Bobby You mention that he was B 1799. What documentation do you have for his Birth? Do you have the church record for Baptismal that gives a DOB? If not that is what I would suggest you find. I would also check both Greene and Green as the name variations can change from record to record. Do not assume the 1799 is accurate if you figured it from a Census. They only give you an approx. D and since the Census taker talked to children, neighbors or such it is sometimes way off. In checking Church records also note the Baptismal Records for his all children and who the sponsors are (quite often relatives or parents). Check records on his wife (and her family) and locate their M record. Research his siblings (brothers and sisters that you know) and see if their records give you the parents name. The LDS Family History Library has microfilms of church records and you can order them for a small fee. They also have the reader to review them. They are not indexed by name so you must browse the records. But sometimes in NYS the only source for a B, D or M record in the early days. Remember almost everyone had their child baptized as church was the social life of these families. Check for a Greene/Green living in the on the 1790 Census. Could hold a clue. Also check the Tax records and see if one lived there and paid taxes by the name of Greene. Have you checked Wm Staats Greene's deed to property to see if perhaps he obtained it from his father? Land records can very often solve a brickwall. Another source might be clues in the early Town Records where they might of recorded a record of town meeting, an office he or his father may have held or even sometimes the death is recorded. Do you have the names of all his children? Many used the various naming patterns when naming these children and that could lead you to his father and mothers (given name). The first Boy was named after the fathers father. The 2nd Boy after his maternal grandfather, 3rd after the father, 4th after the fathers eldest brother. The first girl after the maternal grandmother and the 2nd girl after the paternal grandmother, the 3rd G after the mother and the 4th after the mother's eldest sister. This is not always true but holds a great deal of the time and one has to realize a child might have been named in this order but is now deceased. In some cases you will find that a 2nd child was named the same as a previous child now deceased. . I checked my Greene Family and do not have his name. But then all of the family has not been found. I have my direct line but there are many in the Rhode Island Greene family I descend from that are unaccounted. Warm Regards Pat R

Hi Pat, Bill & Cathy, Lest we get into a big discussion about the question, "was the following customary?" I remember also my mother and grandmother canning fresh peaches with cinnamon and pears with cloves. So, I don't think it was an Irish custom only. Many of the recipes that Grandma and Mom used, were right out of the BALL canning books, and some of them were from my great grandmothers books. Mom made sickle pears only once and they were delicious, but must have been a lot of work or pears were not available or?? Now, on the other hand, I know that my grandparents were not Irish, but in the 1920's they lived in South Troy, so it is possible that one of the neighbors shared a recipe or two with Grandma...and that will never be proved! Sharon ----- Original Message ----- From: "spb518" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 7:19 PM Subject: Re: [Rensselaer] A Forgotten Practice? > Dear Bill and Cathy, > What memories your email brought back! Every fall my grandmother > (Blanche A Polvent from Cohoes married to Edward D Hogan ,Waterford) and > my mother made rows and rows of canned chili sauce(mild form, no hot > peppers) that we used all winter long with spaghetti, all kinds of meat > etc. I had no idea that this was other than a family thing. At that time > the family had moved to Newark, New Jersey and no other family had this > practice. I also thought it was a custom of the French side of our > family, and now I see it was more of an Irish custom. You learn something > new every day! Thanks for sharing your memories with us. It brought back > a lot of mine. I remember also my mother and grandmother canning fresh > peaches with cinnamon and pears with cloves. Was this customary also? Pat > Beaumont > > > ==== NYRENSSE Mailing List ==== > The NYRENSSE Mailing List Website > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYRensse/ > A place to unsub, change your subscription, access the archives and links. >

Carrol Co GA for real read the 1830 census for Carrol Co see all those NY RI names there.. :>) Susi

YES there was a Navy at that time Maritime records and was one in REv WAr too. If brain working .. Susi May not have been called Navy hubby said 245 years old so 1745 or so 1775 was definitely and there are ship records on Saratoga site...

Dear Bill and Cathy, What memories your email brought back! Every fall my grandmother (Blanche A Polvent from Cohoes married to Edward D Hogan ,Waterford) and my mother made rows and rows of canned chili sauce(mild form, no hot peppers) that we used all winter long with spaghetti, all kinds of meat etc. I had no idea that this was other than a family thing. At that time the family had moved to Newark, New Jersey and no other family had this practice. I also thought it was a custom of the French side of our family, and now I see it was more of an Irish custom. You learn something new every day! Thanks for sharing your memories with us. It brought back a lot of mine. I remember also my mother and grandmother canning fresh peaches with cinnamon and pears with cloves. Was this customary also? Pat Beaumont

Do you know for sure if they moved to the state of Georgia or the town of Georgia? Georgia, Vermont, is not too far from Rensselear County. Bill Betts Center Cross, Virginia > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 5:08 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Rensselaer] Greene in Renselaer  m to JONES maybe?? > > OUR delimnia sounds so typical for this time frame. I found my JONES in > GA > in 1830 why ?? regarding a death but not father? But he born 1809 > Renselaer. HIS relatives mar Greene, Philips, WAITE< ALLEN, Sweet, > Scriven. and LOL > all these names ( lst names ) show up in GA also. So someones kin went > south > as group for trade? My Jones is in Renselaer again in 1840 so don't > think he > was there long. I will watch for your surnames as I scan books and papers > and > I did find data in Saratoga Co records you may want to look there and > Albany , > Washington CO also. > > Susi > > > ==== NYRENSSE Mailing List ==== > The NYRENSSE Mailing List Website > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYRensse/ > A place to unsub, change your subscription, access the archives and links.

OUR delimnia sounds so typical for this time frame. I found my JONES in GA in 1830 why ?? regarding a death but not father? But he born 1809 Renselaer. HIS relatives mar Greene, Philips, WAITE< ALLEN, Sweet, Scriven. and LOL all these names ( lst names ) show up in GA also. So someones kin went south as group for trade? My Jones is in Renselaer again in 1840 so don't think he was there long. I will watch for your surnames as I scan books and papers and I did find data in Saratoga Co records you may want to look there and Albany , Washington CO also. Susi

OR maybe to SWEET? Looking for JONES relatives.. Who may share clue needed. SusiCP

Thanks, I will start on the surrounding counties. Do you know if the State of New York had a navy around 1825/35. Oral history says he joined navy, but no records can be found of US Navy, Coast Guard or Merchant Ships. Bobby

My great-great grandfather, William Staats (Stutz) Greene was married in Rensselaer Co, NY and supposedly had three children, wife and children died and he shows up in Alabama in 1835. No clue as to who he married. Well documented in Alabama. Feel sure the middle name of Staats or Stutz is a connection some way but have been unable to connect. Any ideas or suggestions would be appreciated.

Hi Bill and Cathy My mother who was B in St Lawrence County NY (with Relatives from Canada) made that same relish. This was different from the Chili Sauce and we put most of these on the table every meal to use with nour Beef, Pork or Chicken (whatever) along with using them on Sandwiches, Hamburgs and Hotdogs. My favorite for this pepper and tomato relish was Hotdogs. We also had the Green Relish made with green peppers and green tomatoes and Mom's great corn relish was another. Boy! whatever happened to all this? Was your McGrath Family from Canada? I am looking for McGrath descendants that were in the Mohawk Valley and part in Canada. My Canada ones were in Lennox/Addington, PE County, Hastings and a couple other close by counties. Maybe we might have more ties that Chili and Relish. Many of this family stayed in NYS after the Revolution and my ancestor a loyalist settled in Canada. All the Census Records show Ireland but that was only their ethnic background and they probably talked to the neighbors. Many go by McGraw (a variation of McGrath) and yet stem from the same McGrath Branch. I search Greene/Kenyon/Stillman and others in Rensselaer County. These families settled in the Stephentown/Little Hoosack (variation) area of Rensselaer County. Warm Regards Pat R

The Green/Greene research in Rensselaer County caught my eye. My great-great grandfather, William Staats(Stutz) was born in Rensselaer County in 1799. So far we have been unable to locate his parents or any other information. Would love to correspond with other Green researchers in the area. Bobby Green Brown [email protected]

September is certainly canning month in upstate NY! My memories are of tomatoes, chili, pickles and applesauce. I'm curious if anyone else thinks of "chili" as a sweet relish? My grandmother, who came from Canada of Loyalist* and Irish blood, made a tomato and pepper chili that goes perfect with meatloaf or hamburgers. The following is an approximate recipe. As with most family recipes, the quantities and cooking times are "until it's right". 12 ripe tomatoes 2 red or green (bell) peppers 2 onions 2 tablespoons salt 1-1/2 cup sugar (possibly brown sugar) 1-1/2 cup vinegar a little cinnamon a little (ground) cloves Cook until thick and seal while hot. Note - in a different recipe for Green Tomato Relish, the instructions include "Grind all together. Be sure to remove seeds from peppers. Let drain in colander overnight, then add [other ingredients]. Cook over low heat 20 minutes." * One of my grandmother's Canadian Loyalist ancestors, Peter Davy, orignally came from Herkimer County, NY. Another, Frederick Baker was born about 1756 in Claverack, Columbia County, NY, possibly of the Palatine "Becker" family. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill & Cathy McGrath" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2005 10:46 AM Subject: A Forgotten Practice? > How many people out there continue that yearly ritual of making chili > sauce? A year did not go by that our mother's and grandmothers did not do > this chore. And chore it was as it took an entire day from early morning > to night to complete. Not sure where the practice came from but most of > the Irish families we knew followed it. You knew which house it was being > made in as the aroma spread through the neighborhood. > > I can still recall the spicy smell that lingered for weeks in our house on > Burden Avenue long after the cooking and canning was done. My mother, > (Mary Elizabeth O'Connor - 1901-1981), labored all day, while we were in > school, washing and grinding bushels of tomatoes and peppers and then > standing at the stove stirring the mixture for hours while it cooked down. > As hot as the chili sauce was from the long red hot finger peppers, my > father's, (James Joseph McGrath - 1900-1974), standard comment was "it's > not hot enough!". Tell that to my mother who for days afterwards had > burning hands and arms from handling the hot peppers and standing over the > steamy pot that made sure the burning feeling entered your pores. > > My family still makes the chili sauce according to my mother's recipe > which most likely came down from her mother. I consider the recipe to be > "McGrath's 100 Year Old Chili Sauce Recipe" and I do SHARE it. Two of my > siblings, Peg and Bud, make the "recipe" this past week and yesterday it > was our turn at our house. > > I spent Thursday in the Engel farms field (near Albany Airport) picking a > bushel of tomatoes, a bushel of sweet red peppers and a few dozen of the > hot finger peppers. The last time I was in that particular field was on > September 11, 2001 and the farmer came out to tell me the World Trade > Center just collapsed. I was a frequent visitor to the World Trade Center > when I worked since the Department of Labor had it's New York City offices > there. Being in that same field Thursday brought back memories to me of > that tragic day. > > I will bring a jar of chili sauce to the next TIGS meeting so attendees > can try a taste. > > Regards, > > Bill McGrath > Clifton Park, NY >

Hi Bill & Cathy, Funny you should write about the making and aroma of chili sauce. I just made the MILD version last week. I get that feeling of wanting the aroma and the taste, every year when "back to school time" comes around. I was determined to make it this year. My house smelled just like my moms did, years ago in the 1950's. I found the recipe on line and the woman said, " she cooks it just to have that smell in her house!" For the first time, our sons grew all sorts of hot peppers and I bet they would make the chili sauce in a minute knowing they can incorporate those hot peppers. They eat them right out of the garden and then go around hic-cupping. Too hot for me. Guess I am getting old. My late brother and I use to sit around and eat hot cherry peppers all the time! BTW, our sons are chefs and they use latex, rubber gloves to cut up the hot peppers when cooking large quantities etc. My grandmother use to come from Albany to Troy every Wednesday forever, and during the canning season for sure. She and my mom always made chili sauce along with many other canned goods. The aromas from everyones home was wonderful as we walked home from school for lunch every day. What a great memory. If you don't mind being asked, how much does a bushel of peppers and tomatoes cost now? The last bushel we bought was $6.00 ... Everything that is sold out where I live in WI is sold by the pound. Our children and grandchildren miss much by riding buses to and from school, don't they? The falling leaves, the wet leaves and the smells of when we were young. Too far to attend the TIGS meeting :-) Sharon from Troy, now in Wisconsin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill & Cathy McGrath" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2005 9:46 AM Subject: [Rensselaer] A Forgotten Practice? > How many people out there continue that yearly ritual of making chili > sauce? A year did not go by that our mother's and grandmothers did not do > this chore. And chore it was as it took an entire day from early morning > to night to complete. Not sure where the practice came from but most of > the Irish families we knew followed it. You knew which house it was being > made in as the aroma spread through the neighborhood. > > I can still recall the spicy smell that lingered for weeks in our house on > Burden Avenue long after the cooking and canning was done. My mother, > (Mary Elizabeth O'Connor - 1901-1981), labored all day, while we were in > school, washing and grinding bushels of tomatoes and peppers and then > standing at the stove stirring the mixture for hours while it cooked down. > As hot as the chili sauce was from the long red hot finger peppers, my > father's, (James Joseph McGrath - 1900-1974), standard comment was "it's > not hot enough!". Tell that to my mother who for days afterwards had > burning hands and arms from handling the hot peppers and standing over the > steamy pot that made sure the burning feeling entered your pores. > > My family still makes the chili sauce according to my mother's recipe > which most likely came down from her mother. I consider the recipe to be > "McGrath's 100 Year Old Chili Sauce Recipe" and I do SHARE it. Two of my > siblings, Peg and Bud, make the "recipe" this past week and yesterday it > was our turn at our house. > > I spent Thursday in the Engel farms field (near Albany Airport) picking a > bushel of tomatoes, a bushel of sweet red peppers and a few dozen of the > hot finger peppers. The last time I was in that particular field was on > September 11, 2001 and the farmer came out to tell me the World Trade > Center just collapsed. I was a frequent visitor to the World Trade Center > when I worked since the Department of Labor had it's New York City offices > there. Being in that same field Thursday brought back memories to me of > that tragic day. > > I will bring a jar of chili sauce to the next TIGS meeting so attendees > can try a taste. > > Regards, > > Bill McGrath > Clifton Park, NY > > > ==== NYRENSSE Mailing List ==== > Have you added your names to the Troy Surname Roster? > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/troy/troysurnames.html >

How many people out there continue that yearly ritual of making chili sauce? A year did not go by that our mother's and grandmothers did not do this chore. And chore it was as it took an entire day from early morning to night to complete. Not sure where the practice came from but most of the Irish families we knew followed it. You knew which house it was being made in as the aroma spread through the neighborhood. I can still recall the spicy smell that lingered for weeks in our house on Burden Avenue long after the cooking and canning was done. My mother, (Mary Elizabeth O'Connor - 1901-1981), labored all day, while we were in school, washing and grinding bushels of tomatoes and peppers and then standing at the stove stirring the mixture for hours while it cooked down. As hot as the chili sauce was from the long red hot finger peppers, my father's, (James Joseph McGrath - 1900-1974), standard comment was "it's not hot enough!". Tell that to my mother who for days afterwards had burning hands and arms from handling the hot peppers and standing over the steamy pot that made sure the burning feeling entered your pores. My family still makes the chili sauce according to my mother's recipe which most likely came down from her mother. I consider the recipe to be "McGrath's 100 Year Old Chili Sauce Recipe" and I do SHARE it. Two of my siblings, Peg and Bud, make the "recipe" this past week and yesterday it was our turn at our house. I spent Thursday in the Engel farms field (near Albany Airport) picking a bushel of tomatoes, a bushel of sweet red peppers and a few dozen of the hot finger peppers. The last time I was in that particular field was on September 11, 2001 and the farmer came out to tell me the World Trade Center just collapsed. I was a frequent visitor to the World Trade Center when I worked since the Department of Labor had it's New York City offices there. Being in that same field Thursday brought back memories to me of that tragic day. I will bring a jar of chili sauce to the next TIGS meeting so attendees can try a taste. Regards, Bill McGrath Clifton Park, NY

I would love to come but San Diego a bit distant today. Any chance of copy of her talk. I am hoping to hire her to do some sluething for me. She comes highly recommended. SusiCP A JONES /Madison kin from this area.

HERITAGE HUNTERS MEETING TO FOCUS ON AREA CHURCH RECORDS On Saturday, September 17, Ruth Ann Messick, professional genealogist, will describe the records available for Saratoga County churches, especially those identified in the WPA inventory created in the mid 1930’s and those in the Saratoga County historian’s office. Often church records are a good substitute for birth and marriage records when there are no civil records. The meeting will begin at 1 pm at the Saratoga Springs Public Library, 49 Henry Street, Saratoga Springs. Bill Carr, computer interest committee chair, will review using files, folders and Windows Explorer preceding the presentation on church records. Members are asked to bring information on Saratoga County records and repositories to share. The meeting is open to the public, free of charge. For more information, call 587-5852. Heritage Hunters is dedicated to the study and preservation of genealogical and historical materials in and around Saratoga County, NY. I hope you can make this meeting.

> > >Will this information be a free service to everyone once it is completed or is this for one of those groups who will be offering it at a charge to everyone > From what I have read, they are creating indexes from their various films and the indexes will be online free but my guess is that to get the complete info, you will still need to go to the film. However, the index will cut down hours of searching. One more thing that I found out yesterday, right now only those who have helped in the past will be able to sign up to help on this project and once they get them all set up, they will take new volunteers. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com