That is a great picture, Joan, and I would certainly love to know all the men's names. My grandfather's brother, John O'Connor b 1880, started working for the railroad in Troy. However, I found him in New York City in the 1920 census and then in Albany in 1930. Interesting enough, he was the Yard Master in Albany and was killed on the job in 1940 when he was run over by a train. I don't have any pictures of him but do have one of his son that I found in the Albany newspaper of when he was ordained a priest. -- Pat Connors, currently visiting Albany NY

I am writing to both the Albany list and the Rensselaer County list. I am searching for information on early 1900 railroad crews in the Troy area, prompted by a reply I received recently to a picture I have posted on the Troy Irish Genealogy Website. The picture and information I submitted are at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/EdDuffyInfoPage.htm Ed Broecker wrote to me and believes a "railfan" may be able to shed more light on the subject. Ed gave me permission to share his reply: If you can find someone in the area who has an historic interest in the railroads of the area, I would think they can make a pretty good guess concerning this group. It seems to be something like a yard gang, with the foreman or supervisor in the center of the second row wearing a tie and clean shirt. One of the men in that row seems to have his shoulders covered in coal dust, another seems to have oil or some other stain across his shoulders. The rest seem to be in fairly unsoiled clothes and so were perhaps brakemen in the yard. It is a complete unit - supervisor, clerk and perhaps engineer, fireman and brakemen for a switch engine. Something like that. The date can probably come from someone identifying the equipment - are they sitting on some sort of platform on a work car. You can see a door in the wall behind them, small wheels and a 90-degree bar that is used to perhaps uncouple the car without going onto the tracks between cars. That is a very old car with the iron straps at the corners. Apparently their identity is tied to the ladder or tower that is purposely in the photo, in fact one of the men has his hand on it, indicating perhaps that it is an item of pride for him. Or maybe he is just trying to keep his balance. I don't really know what I am seeing, but I am sure there is a dedicated railfan in the area who can tell you. <end> Any information about this crew or crews like it in South Troy in that time frame would be appreciated. Joan Howe

I've "rescued" an old photograph of Bessie N. BRENENSTUHL which was taken at the C. C. Schoonmaker Studio in Troy, New York. The photograph appears to have been taken in the 1870's or 1880's with Bessie only an infant at the time. In addition to her name some has also written "To Grandma, compliments of" on the back of the photograph. I'm hoping to locate someone from this BRENENSTUHL Family so that this precious old photograph can be returned to the family. If you are a member of this family, or know someone who might be, please contact me. Thanks, Shelley

I've "rescued" an old autograph album which originally belonged to Mary E. LEA of Lansingburgh, New York. The album is dated January 1877, also referring to the owner as "Miss Mame LEA", "Mame GARDNER" and "Mamie", the addition of the GARDNER name suggesting this might be her married name. The album includes entries by both family and friends as follows: Autograph Album of Mary E. LEA of Lansingburgh, New York, Dated January 1877 Miss Mame LEA Mame GARDNER "Mamie" Based on limited research I believe that Mary E. LEA was the daughter of William M. & Ruth A. LEA who were living in Lansingburgh, NY during the 1870 census. At the time of the census William was age 33 and his wife Ruth A. was age 30. Mary was just 7 years old at that time. All three were said to have been born in NY. Living next door to them was James LEA age 64, born in England, who I'm thinking may have been William's father. Later in the census of 1900 William is listed in the records as William M. LEA suggesting that this is the man signing in her album. Willie James LEA may have been a brother born after the 1870 census and named after his father and grandfather. Family: * William M. LEA, 23 Jan 1877 * Will L. GARDNER, 26 Jul 1882, Troy, NY I do find record of a William GARDNER age 10 years living with his family in Troy, NY during the 1880 census. William is the son of Thomas & Sarah GARDNER. Thomas is age 39, his wife Sarah age 37 and they have 5 children living with them at the time. The children are Julia age 11, William age 10, Annie age 7, Homer age 5, and Edner age 2, all born in NY as were their parents and grandparents. * Willie James LEA, 24 Jan 1887 * Annie KNIGHT, 15 Aug 1879, Lansingburgh, NY to Darlington, WI "Cousin" Friends: * W. R. DERRICK, 10 Jul 1878, Lansingburgh, NY * Lillian M. PACHIAMAN, 30 Jun 1881, Newark, NY * Charles H. MITER, 1 Apr 1878, Lansingburgh, NY * Fanny WITMER, 25 Jan 1882, Lansingburgh, NY * Arthur W. RAY, 31 Oct 1877, Lansingburgh, NY * C. Frank POTTER, 16 Oct 1881, West Troy, NY * Helen F. HAWKINS * Grace L. BOWMAN, 21 Apr 1881, Lansingburgh, NY * W. H. HUGHES, 6 Feb 1877 "Your Pastor" * Geo B. FONDA, 2 Mar 1881, Lansingburgh, NY * Hellen STOW, 14 Feb 1877, Lansingburgh, NY * Belle M. WINCHELL, Saratoga Co., NY "Mechanicville Academy" * John H. KING, 4 Aug 1877, Lansingburgh, NY * Harry E. STOVER, 21 May 1877, Lansingburgh, NY * A. B. COBDEN, Lansingburgh, NY * L. P. SLADE, 14 Feb 1877, Lansingburgh, NY * Ina A. SON, 28 Mar 1881, Lansingburgh, NY * Mary CORNELL, 28 Apr 1877, Lansingburgh, NY * Charles Wilson GOEPPER, Cincinnati, OH * F. G. WOODRUFF, 4 Jan 1877, Lansingburgh, NY * Minnie S. CARMAN, 21 Apr 1881, Lake Maliopac, NY "Lansingburgh Academy" * A. A. MCMURRAY, 14 Oct 1877, Lansingburgh, NY * Lotta A. MERCHANT, 1 Apr 1880 "Lansingburgh Academy" * E. A. WAGER, 25 Aug 1877, Lansingburgh, NY * Alice A. SUNHAND, 27 Jun 1882, Lansingburgh, NY * G. F. WOOD, 24 May 1877, Lansingburgh, NY * Frank HALSTEAD, 25 Jan 1881, Melrose, NY * Sidney W. POWERS, 9 Nov 1877, Lansingburgh, NY * W. Y. VAN WIRT, 6 Apr 1881, Melrose, NY * Will A. WELLS, 11 Jan 1878, Lansingburgh, NY * Lillie M. BARNES, 4 Jan 1882, Pittsfield, MA @ Lansingburgh, NY * Mate E. CHESEBROUGH, 8 Mar 1877, Lansingburgh, NY * C. G. THOMAS, 7 Jul 1882, Darlington, WI @ Lansingburgh, NY * Geo F. M. QUACKENBUSH, 22 Oct 1878, Troy, NY * C. E. GREENMAN, 5 Jun 1879, Troy * Clara BROOKER, 19 Jan 1881, Lansingburgh, NY * Will E. NEWMAN, 2 Apr 1877, Lansingburgh, NY * A. G. FILLEY, 11 Aug 1878, St. Louis, MO * Alice MACARDLE, 16 Feb 1878, Lansingburgh, NY "Seat Mate" * W. H. SHAW, 14 Jun 1879 * Jennie F. RYAN, 12 Sept 1879 "Mechanicville Academy" * Albert POWERS, 1 Jun 1877, Lansingburgh, NY * Emma L. BUTTON, 22 Sept 1879, Lansingburgh, NY * L. E. HUGHES, 6 Feb 1877, Lansingburgh, NY * Myron P. SMITH, 10 Nov 1881, Waterford, NY * Charles H. MASON, 8 Oct 1877, Lansingburgh, NY * Adellah W. BUTTON "Mechanicville Academy" * Geo A. CRUDUP, 7 Nov 1878, Troy, NY * Lottie CAMPBELL, 22 Apr 1881, Lansingburgh, NY * George H. HARRINGTON, 8 Mar 1877, Cooksborough, NY * C. S. MIJAN, 15 Mar 1877, Raymerton, NY * A. L. BAMEY, 22 Oct 1878, Troy, NY * Cora C. HAYNER, 27 Oct 1879, Lansingburgh, NY * Job P. FONDA, 8 Nov 1877, Lansingburgh, NY * G. B. FONDA, 9 Jan 1890, Mechanicville, NY * Kittie B. COBDEN, 30 Oct 1877, Lansingburgh, NY * Charles B. AMES, Mechanicville, NY * Mattie FANCHER, 30 Oct 1877 * W. P. STILL, 23 Jun 1877, Lansingburgh, NY * B. M. GILMORE, 1 Apr 1881, "Lansingburgh Academy" I am hoping to locate someone from this family, so that the album can be returned to their care. If you are a member of this family, or know someone who might be, please contact me. Thanks, Shelley

> Catholic Church in Troy, can someone tell me how I can find what > Catholic Churches where in existance in 1842? This site might be of help. http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyrenss2/churchrecords.htm -- Pat Connors, currently visiting Washington DC http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

I believe the only Catholic Church in Troy in 1842 would be St. Peter's Church at 5th Avenue and Hutton Street in Troy. St. Mary's began in 1843.

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Hi Listers, If my ancestor was born and hopefully baptized in a Catholic Church in Troy, can someone tell me how I can find what Catholic Churches where in existance in 1842? Thanks, Patti

Hi Charles, You might want to take a look at the Troy Irish Genealogy Society website and mailing list. The link is: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nytigs/ Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 7:51 PM Subject: [Rensselaer] Charles E. Cox ? > Hi list. I'm looking for any death/burial information on a Charles E. Cox > who > was born abt. 1899/1900 and was an optometrist in Troy, NY in 1933 and had > two daughters. > Not knowing my way around Rensselaer County records, any help would be > appreciated. Thanks, Charles Martin (PA) > > > ==== NYRENSSE Mailing List ==== > Check out the AHGP Rensselaer County genealogy website > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyrenss2/ >

Hi list. I'm looking for any death/burial information on a Charles E. Cox who was born abt. 1899/1900 and was an optometrist in Troy, NY in 1933 and had two daughters. Not knowing my way around Rensselaer County records, any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Charles Martin (PA)

You wrote: Would SKS please do a lookup for Edward Gray (Grey)(or E. Gray?)in the 1850 census for Troy. I know at that time he had 2 sons, James who is approximately 8 years old and Thomas who is approximately 2 years old. I am not sure of his wife's name. TIA! Patti Patti -- No luck. Here are all the Gray or Greys in Troy 1850, per Ancestry: Oliver Grey Troy Ward 4, Rensselaer, NY abt 1808 Connecticut Ann Gray Troy Ward 4, Rensselaer, NY abt 1842 New York Catherine Gray Troy Ward 4, Rensselaer, NY abt 1849 New York Charles Gray Troy Ward 4, Rensselaer, NY abt 1826 Canada Charles Gray Troy Ward 7, Rensselaer, NY abt 1825 Canada Cornelius Gray Troy Ward 1, Rensselaer, NY abt 1826 Ireland Elizabeth Gray Troy Ward 4, Rensselaer, NY abt 1833 New York Elizabeth Gray Troy Ward 7, Rensselaer, NY abt 1834 New York Ellen Gray Troy Ward 4, Rensselaer, NY abt 1847 New York Henry Gray Troy Ward 3, Rensselaer, NY abt 1826 New York James Gray Troy Ward 1, Rensselaer, NY abt 1847 Ireland James Gray Troy Ward 4, Rensselaer, NY abt 1803 Ireland Lucy Gray Troy Ward 4, Rensselaer, NY abt 1817 Ireland Margaret Gray Troy Ward 1, Rensselaer, NY abt 1795 Ireland Margaret Gray Troy Ward 1, Rensselaer, NY abt 1825 Ireland Margaret Gray Troy Ward 1, Rensselaer, NY abt 1850 New York Mary Gray Troy Ward 4, Rensselaer, NY abt 1844 New York Mary Ann Gray Troy Ward 1, Rensselaer, NY abt 1833 New York Sarah Gray Troy Ward 1, Rensselaer, NY abt 1849 New York Sarah N Gray Troy Ward 2, Rensselaer, NY abt 1832 New York Susan Gray Troy Ward 5, Rensselaer, NY abt 1832 New York __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp

Would SKS please do a lookup for Edward Gray(Grey) (or E. Gray?)in the 1850 census for Troy. I know at that time he had 2 sons, James who is approximately 8 years old and Thomas who is approximately 2 years old. I am not sure of his wife's name. TIA! Patti

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My Waite Cousin lives in Minnasota area last I heard from her. She shared some great data with me. I will see what I can put together and get to send you .. She sent to me in mail several years ago. After I make copy will send its several pages. Blessings Susi

Hi, I have cousins Greene in letters from my Wait family of Stephentown. The Wait's were there prior to 1800 and GGpa left after the Civil War. It is in his letters that I find "My cousin Ben Green" Also his Gma married 4 times, once to a Green during the 30's and 40's Probably Sand Lake. She was Polly Coon, Muir1, Wait2, Green3, Dennison4. I have many Green/Greene cousins but they all have big numbers, either 5+ cousin and/or 5+ removed. I Know there are closer ties and I'd like to find them. They and my family are intertwined in the 1800's and in RI earlier. And a connection to GA. Are the Wait/Waite's there also? I have no reference to anyone moving there. Cole At 05:00 AM 9/19/2005, you wrote: >I found my JONES in GA >in 1830 why ?? regarding a death but not father? But he born 1809 >Renselaer. HIS relatives mar Greene, Philips, WAITE< ALLEN, Sweet, >Scriven. and LOL >all these names ( lst names ) show up in GA also. The odds are 50% that one of your GGGparents isn't. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.2/105 - Release Date: 9/19/2005

Bill, and all, I'm one more Irishwoman who makes Chili Sauce every year as my mother did before me! Sept. was always canning season wherever we got the produce-sometimes from a brother's farm in Defreetsville, later, from the market. This week I'll get the tomatoes and peppers from my daughter's garden which my husband and I helped weed all summer. Can hardly wait for the aroma! I give so many pints away every year we run out before summer. But we like our children to enjoy the old recipes. Thanks for sharing. Rita

Rita, Thank you for sharing your memories. Sharon ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 12:06 PM Subject: [Rensselaer] Re: NYRENSSE-D Digest V05 #175 > Bill, and all, I'm one more Irishwoman who makes Chili Sauce every year as > my mother did before me! Sept. was always canning season wherever we got > the > produce-sometimes from a brother's farm in Defreetsville, later, from the > market. This week I'll get the tomatoes and peppers from my daughter's > garden > which my husband and I helped weed all summer. Can hardly wait for the > aroma! I > give so many pints away every year we run out before summer. But we like > our > children to enjoy the old recipes. Thanks for sharing. Rita > > > ==== NYRENSSE Mailing List ==== > Have you added your names to the Troy Surname Roster? > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/troy/troysurnames.html >

Bob: There is a birth record in the vital records of Petersburgh NY for Charles and Waitte Green: they had the following children: Charles `10/10/1779 Russel 1/20/1781 Caleb 9/17/1782 Paul 8/25/1784 Waitte 12/20/1786 Jared 8/28/1788 William 8/12/1790 Perhaps this William is the one you are looking for. There are also records for a Captain Charles Green in the Van Rensselaer Manor Papers as renting property in Little Hoosick (Petersburgh) in 1788. Possibly (probably) the father above. Also in the Van Rensselaer Manor Papers are several Staats families, but no Stutz. There is also a William Green received into the Seventh Day Baptist Church on 11/2/1811. The church is in what was once called Little Hoosuck (sic). Hope that helps. Trudy Millard Krause

These are two of the best leads I have had in years. Thank you so much. My genealogy time is limited, but if anything comes from them, I will let you know. Bobby Green Brown

Hi Pat, the response to my Greene/Green query has been overwhelming, and is greatly appreciated. All the information I have is an oral history written by his youngest Alabama son several years before his death in 1952. So the date of his birth could be way off and no fathers or mothers name was given. The only reference to his NY wife is that they had three children, no names, and they died. He left NY, Troy specifically. and ended up in Alabama in 1835 where he married and this marriage produced 23 children. Fifteen lived to adulthood and are well documented in Alabama. I did locate a William Green born in 1790 who Married Mariah no last name and have not been able to locate other information on this couple. Her time of death, if memory serves was 1821. My son, has researched the town and county records in Troy several years ago but no definite results there. I have also paid a researcher who has checked land records, wills and a good many church records with no results. Distance is my enemy, I live in far West Texas and grew up in Alabama and the closest LDS is 150 miles away. Thanks everyone. Bobby Green Brown