When did this become the weather channel?? Please stay on-topic. Thank you, Jim Groat | -----Original Message----- | From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] | Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 12:19 PM | To: [email protected] | Subject: Re: [Rensselaer] Rensselaer pronunciation | | mmm 6 inches of snow and yes it is going to go up, what town are you in ? | fm | | | ==== NYRENSSE Mailing List ==== | The NYRENSSE Mailing List Website | http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYRensse/ | A place to unsub, change your subscription, access the archives and links.
Pat, I'll be checking out your site for LDS film #'s. Thanks for the posting, as well as your site. The LDS center in Bennington, VT will be closed all of Dec., so will have plenty of time to plan for what to order come better weather. Sheila
Hi List, Since John added the ref to my article in NYG&B Record Vol. 124 re the Garrison descendants of Gerrit Janson van Oldenburg, I must add my two bits worth. I'd guess that your Garrisons are much more likely to have descended from the Gerret Remmersen line who were in Gravesend, Flatlands, etc.from an early date well into the 1700s. I doubt very much that they descend from the Salem/Cumberland Co. Garrisons. The Garrison DNA project is disproving a great many earlier assumptions. It is pretty interesting. See: _http://www.familytreedna.com/public/garrison/_ (http://www.familytreedna.com/public/garrison/) and _http://www.familytreedna.com/public/GARRISSON/_ (http://www.familytreedna.com/public/GARRISSON/) Notice that these are two different sites, one with a double s in the name. Phyllis
mmm 6 inches of snow and yes it is going to go up, what town are you in ? fm
Yeah, the NY and NJ do not say things the way they do say things the way we do in the west. But that is the way of it in the US. Some things go back years. If it does have a W sound I cannot get my toung around it. I know it is snowing we have about 6" in Frotine, Montana . Northwestern part of the state, about 3500 ft. , the mountains around us are a good 12,000 ft. The snow starts there a month before it does here. I see a new snow in the mountains, check the date and about one month later in is snowing here and winter is here for sure. Now if you can make it down 93 to Kalispell, the flatlands it is winter also. fm
> wren-suh-leer / Wren-slur --that explains how it got spelled Rensclaar on > the family group sheet she must have heard it pronounced as Wren slar > Kathie in Montana Yes, ren'-slur is indeed a local colloquial pronunciation. However, to the thousands of R.P.I. graduates who have spread out all over the world since the school was founded in 1824, their alma mater is pronounced with three syllables. This is the pronunciation passed along to the rest of the world. The alma mater goes as follows: "Here's to old R.P.I. Her fame may never die Here's to old Rensselaer (sung with three syllables ren-suh-leer) She stands today without a peer" etc. Another old school song is a spelling reminder I learned as a child: "Can you spell Rensselaer (sung ren-suh-leer)? R-e-n-s-s If not you're no engineer e-l-a-e-r" etc. Pick your pronunciation, local or global. For family historians, it is always a good idea to know the alternative pronunciations of places, especially as they may be recorded as they sounded to the recorder. Thanks for the reminder. Rogers
how was the vaction away from us ?
Penny how on earth can whr sound in english. ? It sounds like some are trying to get a sound that has long ben lost. With spelling and the english we speak I can only see Ren sel eer
wren-suh-leer / Wren-slur --that explains how it got spelled Rensclaar on the family group sheet she must have heard it pronounced as Wren slar thanks for both pronunciations Kathie in 27" deep snow and still snowing Montana
And if your a true local, it is pronounced with only two syllables: Wren-slur , with the emphasis on the first. Jeanne Keefe At 01:56 AM 12/2/2005, you wrote: >Having been away a few days, I have just caught up with the request for >the pronunciation of Rensselaer. > >In Troy the students at Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute and most >long-time residents almost universally pronounce it wren-suh-leer without >special emphasis on any syllable. If the Dutch pronunciation of Van >Rensselaer was different, it has been lost in antiquity. > >Rogers Finch >ex-Troy NY >now Peabody MA > > >==== NYRENSSE Mailing List ==== >Have you added your names to the Troy Surname Roster? >http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/troy/troysurnames.html Jeanne M. Keefe Vice President, Visual Resources Association <http://www.vraweb.org/>www.vraweb.org Visual Resources Librarian Architecture Library Greene Building, Rm 306 Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute 110 8th Street, Troy, NY 12180 Tel: 518-276-2727 Fax: 518-276-6753 E-mail: [email protected]
When growing up we always pronounced it "Wren slur". After becoming an adult, I found that newcomers to the area had changed that to "Ren- sa- leer". However, on another list or another page I was surfing not too long ago, (sorry cannot remember which) I have been 'told' that the proper pronunciation is indeed "Wren-slur" with the accent on the first syllable. All the old timers pronounce it that way as do the newscasters, if you listen closely. Penny -- Briar Patch Caviary www.BPCaviary.com CAVY CAR MAGNETS
Having been away a few days, I have just caught up with the request for the pronunciation of Rensselaer. In Troy the students at Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute and most long-time residents almost universally pronounce it wren-suh-leer without special emphasis on any syllable. If the Dutch pronunciation of Van Rensselaer was different, it has been lost in antiquity. Rogers Finch ex-Troy NY now Peabody MA
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Kathie and Dorothy - Had to jumped in on this one. Josephine Frost's The Haviland Genealogy lists John Haviland b ca 1723 Flushing, NY m bef 1750 Sarah Garrison b ca 1727 Flushing. John died about 1766. John was taken captive by Indians but escaped. See letter written by son Dr Norman H Haviland of Fulton, NY dated Sept 27, 1894 page 101 Haviland Genealogy. John Haviland was the son of Adam Haviland b 10 Dec 1698 Flushing; m Mary Lott b 12 Nov 1698, d 6 Jan 1747. Adam died 10 April 1768 Adam bought of his father Benjamin on May 2, 1724 100 acres in Harrison's Purchase Rye NY. Benjamin b 3 April 1659 Newport RI m bef 1688 Abigail Mott b 2 May 1660 Portsmouth, RI, d 1720. Benjamin died 31 Jun 1726 Rye, NY. He bought 400 acres in Harrison's Purchase on 27 June 1724 and built the first frame home in Purchase, NY. The house was burnt down during the American Revolution by neighbors protesting loyalist activities of the family. Benjamin was a son of "Old Man Haviland" William Haviland and his second wife Hannah Hicks. "Old Man Haviland" was recorded a freeman in Newport RI 17 May 1653 but records place him in Rhode Island perhaps as early as 1638. He was active in public affairs holding various offices. There are extensive Quaker records of the Haviland family. I descend from John Haviland and Sarah Garrison Haviland's son Garrison Haviland b 1767 Haviland Hollow, NY who m Catherine Harten/Katherine Hartin --both show in the on-line cemetery records for Rensselaer County. John and Sarah are my 6xggrandparents. Would love to know if anyone has any information on this Harten/Hartin family. I do know that her father was Joseph and that he probably was from Flushing, NY. The only references that I have found as to Sarah Garrison are from Kent McMahan's 2003 World Tree entries. Sarah is mentioned as born about 1727 and the daughter of Peter Garrison b abt 1676 in Brooklyn, Kings Co NY who m bef 1715 Sarah (perhaps Rees). This Peter shows as son of Jacob Gerritsen b 1646 in Amsterdam, Holland and d ca 1708 on Cohansy, Salem Co, NJ. Jacob married Christianna Cresson b abt 1651 in Sluis, Zeeland, Netherlands and died aft 1709. Jacob was perhaps the son of Gerrit Jansen van Oldenburg b abt 1610 Amsterdam, Holland who died Nov 1661 in NY and his wife Clara Mathys b abt 1612. This line does show in NY G & B Vol 124 #1 Jan 1993. I have found no other corroboration. If this line is correct, Sarah Garrison was the 6th child of 9 of Peter and Sarah (Rees?) Garrison. Peter, himself was the 3rd of 6 children. Jacob Gerritsen was also one of 6 children. So there are a lot of possibilities here. I did trace a Garrison, NY, near West Point but that berg is apparently named for some other Garrison family. Sarah Garrison and John Haviland were probably brought together through their Quaker faith. Hope this is of some use. John Hills ----- Original Message ----- From: Dorothy Gage<mailto:[email protected]> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 6:17 PM Subject: Re: [Rensselaer] Garrison Hi Kathie, I also am descended from a Garrison who lived in Dutchess Co. Sarah Garrison m. John Haviland, I do not have dates for them but John's father, Adam, was b. prior to 1698 in Flushing. John and Sarah had children: Hannah, James, Garrison, John b. 1758, Charles and Rebecca. The Haviland family were Quakers mentioned in the Oblong meetings. I descend from their first mentioned child, Hannah who m. Ebenezer Arnold and lived at Hoosic, Rensselaer Co, NY, their daughter, Phoebe Arnold m. Moses Armstrong and spent their later years in Monroe Co, NY. I have no idea who Susan Garrison's parents were or where they came from. The Haviland family moved from Newport R.I. to Rye, NY. Newport R.I. might be a good place to look for your Garrison family. I have a copy of a portion of burials in Providence Cemetery, Pleasant Plains, Dutchess, NY: "Van Vliet, Elizabeth, dau. of Cornelius Van Vliet & Helena Garrison b. 1792, Dec. 15, d. 1795, July 13. Van Vliet, Helena Garrison, w. of Cornelius, & dau. of Captain Joost Garrison & Magdelena Van Dyke b. 1757, Mar. 12, d. 1801, June 10 Van Vliet, Rachel, dau of Cornelius Van Vliet & Helena Garrison b. 1788, apr 30, d. 1870, Mar. 15 Van Vliet, Richard Garrison, s. of Cornelius Van Vliet & Helena b. 1801, June 10, d. 1801, Dec. 5. Van Vliet, William B., s. of Cornelius Van Vliet & Helena Garrison b. 1793, Sep 27, d. 1811, Jul 28." In the 1790 Census, Dutchess Co, NY I found the following: Clifton Town Peter Garrison Clinton Town Harry Garrison Frederickstown Town David Garretson Phillipstown Town Abraham Garrison Isaac Garrison I hope you can find something of interest or at least a clue from this. Good luck, Dorothy At 10:41 AM 11/28/2005, you wrote: >I'm a newbie (to this list anyway). I have been slowly researching my >Garrison ancestors in Wayne County NY and recently acquired a family group >sheet (FGS) dated 1983. > >It shows my g-g-g-grandfather Martin Garrison being born in Rensclaar >County NY. I'm hoping that she meant Rensselaer County and someone on the >list can assist me in finding out more about him and his wife, Dorothy. I >have added an outline of the little I know of this family. The all caps are >the info from this FGS. The family is in Sodus Wayne County by around 1818 >if not before. > >I have US census listing Martin Garrison in 1810, 1820 & 1830 in Duchess or >Green Counties but I am not sure if it is "my" Martin. 1840 and beyond >census show this family in Wayne County. I have a copy of his will but the >only info is that it confirms all the children excepting Martin Jr. > >Can anyone add anymore to this line or send me in the right direction? > >Thanks much, Kathie In snowy, snowy Montana >Cascade County Volunteer for: >Random Acts Of Genealogical Kindness http://www.raogk.org/<http://www.raogk.org/> >Rootsweb Obituary Lookup http://freepages.genealogy<http://freepages.genealogy/> >rootswebcom/~obitl/ovlist.html >Cascade County, Montana 2005 Obit Lookups: 150 >"Our dead are never dead to us, until we have forgotten them." --George >Eliot > >1 Martin Garrison b: 1787 RENSCLAAR County, New York d: 16 April 1870 in >Sodus, Wayne County, New York >- +Miss Dorothy -?- b: 1784 DUCHESS County, New York m: Abt. 1815 in New >York d: Bef. 1880 >- 2 MARTIN GARRISON b: New York >- 2 MARIA GARRISON b: 1815 New York >---- +WILLIAM KITCHEN b: England d: Bef. 1880 >- 2 Julia A. Garrison b: 23 February 1816 New York d: 19 January 1846 in >Sodus, Wayne County, New York >---- +[1] Thomas Austin b: 27 February 1809 Kent, England m: Abt. 1836 in >presumed in Sodus, Wayne County, New York d: 11 May 1901 in Great Falls, >Cascade County, Montana >- 2 CATHERINE GARRISON b: 1817 >---- +BENJAMIN KITCHEN >- 2 GERTRUDE GARRISON b: 1819 SODUS, WAYNE COUNTY, New York d: 1896 in >Allegan, Allegan County, Michigan >---- +STEPHEN E. REED b: 1819 New York m: Bef. 1850 >- 2 WILLIAM GARRISON b: 1822 New York d: Bef. 1900 >---- +NANCY A. FELTON b: October 1825 Pennsylvania m: 17 August 1847 >- 2 Cornelia A. Garrison b: 1824 New York d: 11 April 1887 in Cascade County > Montana >---- +[1] Thomas Austin b: 27 February 1809 Kent, England m: 01 June 1849 in >Sodus, Wayne County, New York d: 11 May 1901 in Great Falls, Cascade County, >Montana >- 2 JOHN P. GARRISON b: Bet. 1824 - 1826 New York >---- +MISS Fanny -?- b: 1834 New York >- 2 GEORGE GARRISON b: 1825 New York > > >==== NYRENSSE Mailing List ==== >Do you have Irish ancestors who landed, lived or passed through NY State? >Join a new list related to the history, culture and geneology of the Irish >in NY >mailto:[email protected]?body=subscribe
Thank you Kathy for the info. on the NY State census CD. It is the volunteers that help in our family research all the time. We should all try to share our findings with others-it's the way we learn and break down so many 'brick walls', thanks to volunteers like you. God bless!
Kathie, Thank you for taking the time to post the information about the book you ordered and where to order it. Nice to have a new site to look for books, etc., also. Sheila
On the New York State section of my website, I have listed, by county, available state censuses and their LDS Family History Library film numbers. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com
Sorry for the delay in getting back to the list. I've been back tracking Garrison's and Kitchen on the online census on Ancestry. I sure lost track of time. Thank goodness the trucker is headed for Alabama or supper would be real late. To try and answer all the questions: I've mainly been researching the Garrison-Austin connection of mine in the Sodus Wayne County area but had a lead that the Garrison came from Rensselaer County, to Duchess County, then on to Wayne County. So I have just started in Rensselaer county (how is that pronounced??? wren-see-lay-er???) That is the reason for wanting the 1855 state census--it has the county of birth on it (might answer some questions)-Thanks again to Dick, Dorothy, Dorothy, Lyn and Sharon for the leads and answers. I ordered the "New York State Censuses & Substitutes" by William Dollarhide from http://www.heritagecreations.com/ price $32.95 + $3.00 S&H According to the website it contains: Identifies 448 state census originals for New Yorks 62 counties, located at 68 different New York repositories, plus transcripts/extracts, abstracts, or indexes in print, all with library call numbers and FHL film numbers. Identifies 120 statewide and regional name lists for New York, including tax lists, land records, military lists, newspaper indexes, CD-ROM publications, and online resources. Identifies 105 original 1850-1880 federal censuses held by 30 New York counties. (County duplicate originals on microfilm that can be compared with the microfilmed federal copies). Identifies over 1,200 census substitutes and selected name lists. Substitutes include tax lists, voter registrations, military lists, and deed indexes. Selected lists include county histories, city directories, naturalization indexes, vital records indexes, or other unique name lists for a particular county. Identifies over 1,500 online town references to find direct links to census extracts, indexes, or other name lists online. Identifies over 3,700 bibliographic citations in total, each with detailed descriptions and notes, library call numbers, and FHL film numbers. Includes 19 county boundary maps for the period 1683-1915, showing the evolution of all New York counties and adjoining jurisdictions in bordering states and Canada. Includes 26 NY State Census Extraction Forms, 1825-1925, with all NY population, military, agriculture, industry, births, deaths, and marriage schedules; plus the 1890 NY Police Census, and the 1880 Short Form; and includes 26 New York State Census Facsimiles, showing the actual state census schedules, tables, pages, and columns. Kathie In Montana Cascade County Volunteer for: Random Acts Of Genealogical Kindness http://www.raogk.org/ Rootsweb Obituary Lookup http://freepages.genealogy rootswebcom/~obitl/ovlist.html Cascade County, Montana 2005 Obit Lookups: 157
What if that person is just learning how to send ANY information? How will they learn to do it right, if someone doesn't take the time to help them? Sharon ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 6:57 PM Subject: Re: [Rensselaer] Many family genealogies and vital record links on my web pa... >I dont have time for those who put out bad info. > > > ==== NYRENSSE Mailing List ==== > The NYRENSSE Mailing List Website > http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/NYRensse/ > A place to unsub, change your subscription, access the archives and links. >
I dont have time for those who put out bad info.