Greenpoint was part of Bushwich Town (established in 1660) until 1855, when it was annexed to Brooklyn. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerald Tobin" <tobinger@frontiernet.net> To: "Gerald Tobin" <tobinger@frontiernet.net>; <NYQUEENS-L@rootsweb.com> Cc: <evc1369@comcast.net> Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 9:53 PM Subject: Re: [QUEENS] Help with death certificate please >I believe that was the 18th Ward in 1868. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gerald Tobin" <tobinger@frontiernet.net> > To: <NYQUEENS-L@rootsweb.com> > Cc: <evc1369@comcast.net> > Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 9:42 PM > Subject: Re: [QUEENS] Help with death certificate please > > >> Elizabeth, >> >> It looks like Greenpoint to me. That I think was in the City of >> Brooklyn at that time. >> >> Jerry >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Elizabeth V Cardinal" <evc1369@comcast.net> >> To: <NYQUEENS-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 10:46 PM >> Subject: [QUEENS] Help with death certificate please >> >> >>>I want to send for the death certificate of a family member who died in >>> Brooklyn in 1877 or 1878. >>> >>> The problem I am running into is the following found on the archives >>> website: >>> >>> <<There are separate marriage and death records for Kings County Towns: >>> >>> . Flatbush, 1847-1851; 1880-1894, >>> . Flatlands, 1880-1895, >>> . Gravesend, 1880-1894, >>> . New Lots, 1881-1886 and New Utrecht, 1880-1894.>> >>> >>> At the time of death this person was most likely living at: >>> >>> 377 Oakland Avenue or Street. >>> >>> Does anyone know what section of Brooklyn that was/is in? >>> >>> Thank You >>> >>> >>> >>> Elizabeth V. Cardinal >>> evc1369@comcast.net >>> http://www.cafepress.com/formernuns >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ============================== >>> Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >>> areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >>> Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >>> >>> >>

I am tired and my brain is water logged from all the rain we are having in South West Florida so I just gave the wrong response. We found the death cert for another family member. If the address is Greenpoint then the record will not be in the archives....drat. Thanks Again Elizabeth V. Cardinal evc1369@comcast.net http://www.cafepress.com/formernuns

Thanks Gerry. His death showed up on the IGI night before last. If anyone uses the IGI, please know it has recently been updated. Elizabeth V. Cardinal evc1369@comcast.net http://www.cafepress.com/formernuns

I believe that was the 18th Ward in 1868. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerald Tobin" <tobinger@frontiernet.net> To: <NYQUEENS-L@rootsweb.com> Cc: <evc1369@comcast.net> Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 9:42 PM Subject: Re: [QUEENS] Help with death certificate please > Elizabeth, > > It looks like Greenpoint to me. That I think was in the City of > Brooklyn at that time. > > Jerry > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Elizabeth V Cardinal" <evc1369@comcast.net> > To: <NYQUEENS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 10:46 PM > Subject: [QUEENS] Help with death certificate please > > >>I want to send for the death certificate of a family member who died in >> Brooklyn in 1877 or 1878. >> >> The problem I am running into is the following found on the archives >> website: >> >> <<There are separate marriage and death records for Kings County Towns: >> >> . Flatbush, 1847-1851; 1880-1894, >> . Flatlands, 1880-1895, >> . Gravesend, 1880-1894, >> . New Lots, 1881-1886 and New Utrecht, 1880-1894.>> >> >> At the time of death this person was most likely living at: >> >> 377 Oakland Avenue or Street. >> >> Does anyone know what section of Brooklyn that was/is in? >> >> Thank You >> >> >> >> Elizabeth V. Cardinal >> evc1369@comcast.net >> http://www.cafepress.com/formernuns >> >> >> >> >> ============================== >> Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >> areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >> Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >> >> >

Elizabeth, It looks like Greenpoint to me. That I think was in the City of Brooklyn at that time. Jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth V Cardinal" <evc1369@comcast.net> To: <NYQUEENS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 10:46 PM Subject: [QUEENS] Help with death certificate please >I want to send for the death certificate of a family member who died in > Brooklyn in 1877 or 1878. > > The problem I am running into is the following found on the archives > website: > > <<There are separate marriage and death records for Kings County Towns: > > . Flatbush, 1847-1851; 1880-1894, > . Flatlands, 1880-1895, > . Gravesend, 1880-1894, > . New Lots, 1881-1886 and New Utrecht, 1880-1894.>> > > At the time of death this person was most likely living at: > > 377 Oakland Avenue or Street. > > Does anyone know what section of Brooklyn that was/is in? > > Thank You > > > > Elizabeth V. Cardinal > evc1369@comcast.net > http://www.cafepress.com/formernuns > > > > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

On 6/3/05 (7:55:23 AM MDT), in a posting to NYC-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com, Kathleen Schilling (kschilli@hotmail.com) wrote, "For any of you in the NYC area: DNA for Genealogists: How to Learn About Your Ancestry Through DNA Posted: Friday, June 03 @ 09:44:22 EDT The New York Genealogical and Biographical Society is pleased to present a fascinating day-long workshop about the revealing world of DNA testing for genealogists on Saturday, June 18, 2005 from 9:30 AM to 5:00 PM. This workshop is geared to help the newcomer to DNA testing learn the essentials, from an understanding of DNA to being tested and interpreting the results. Led by two top experts in the field, Family Tree DNA’s president Bennett Greenspan and genealogist Megan Smolenyak, this workshop offers a practical, understandable, step-by-step, journey into what the genealogist needs to know about DNA testing." Bennett Greenspan is a good "fella", but nevertheless, is not any relation to me, Walter Greenspan. We know this because I sent my DNA swabs to Bennett for DNA analysis and we did not match. I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Regards, Walter Greenspan

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/WUB.2ACI/1320.3 Message Board Post: Is this the lady you're looking for? ETHEL REUTER 23 Aug 1899 Mar 1970 70yo Brooklyn, NY 11208 And do you have any more questions on Queens cemeteries?

I want to send for the death certificate of a family member who died in Brooklyn in 1877 or 1878. The problem I am running into is the following found on the archives website: <<There are separate marriage and death records for Kings County Towns: . Flatbush, 1847-1851; 1880-1894, . Flatlands, 1880-1895, . Gravesend, 1880-1894, . New Lots, 1881-1886 and New Utrecht, 1880-1894.>> At the time of death this person was most likely living at: 377 Oakland Avenue or Street. Does anyone know what section of Brooklyn that was/is in? Thank You Elizabeth V. Cardinal evc1369@comcast.net http://www.cafepress.com/formernuns

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/WUB.2ACI/1376 Message Board Post: Does anyone know the history of the Serval Zippers/U-Haul Tower in Flushing, Queens? And is there any movement underway to grant it landmark status. Besides St. George's steeple, it's the only familiar thing left on the Flushing horizon.

<<Really? I work at a library in Mundelein, IL - yes, it was named for the Cardinal. We have very little about the Cardinal in our local history collection except for a history of the Chicago archdiocese>> Years ago, I wrote to the archdiocese asking for confirmation of some information. The Archivist informed me they had virtually no information. The Brooklyn Diocese also has nothing. As you probably know he refused to write his life story or to permit anyone else to author it...instead he permitted publication of his letters to the people of Chicago. Elizabeth V. Cardinal evc1369@comcast.net http://www.cafepress.com/formernuns

--- Elizabeth V Cardinal <evc1369@comcast.net> wrote: > He is one of the few true hero's of the Vatican. We > also have the movie. > It was always a favorite of mine. > > You never know who is going to come falling out of > your family tree when you > give it a good shake...saints and/or sinners <grin> > > BTW, my paternal grandmother was a cousin of the > late Cardinal Mundelien of > Chicago. > > Elizabeth V. Cardinal > evc1369@comcast.net > http://www.cafepress.com/formernuns > > > Really? I work at a library in Mundelein, IL - yes, it was named for the Cardinal. We have very little about the Cardinal in our local history collection except for a history of the Chicago archdiocese. Pam McLaughlin Fremont Public Library 1170 N. Midlothian Rd. Mundelein, IL 60060 In New York, looking for: CARROLL, GARRITY, GREENE, GWYDIR, MATTHEWS, MCLAUGHLIN, QUIGLEY __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Find restaurants, movies, travel and more fun for the weekend. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/weekend.html

He is one of the few true hero's of the Vatican. We also have the movie. It was always a favorite of mine. You never know who is going to come falling out of your family tree when you give it a good shake...saints and/or sinners <grin> BTW, my paternal grandmother was a cousin of the late Cardinal Mundelien of Chicago. Elizabeth V. Cardinal evc1369@comcast.net http://www.cafepress.com/formernuns

I also have a relic of St. Gabriel from that time frame but the papers are in my safe deposit box. I never looked it up. The other first class relics I own are of "better known saints" so never had to look them up. You can take a look at these: http://www.catholic.org/saints/stindex.php?lst=G Elizabeth V. Cardinal evc1369@comcast.net http://www.cafepress.com/formernuns

Elizabeth - I do have a lot of information about him. I have a couple of copies of the movie. I remember him coming to our house to visit when he visited with my grandmother. In fact he was visiting when my mother & dad celebrated their 25 wedding anniversary. Ed Sullivan used to write about him, in his column "Toast of the Town" when he came to NY for a visit. He even mentioned him once or twice on his TV show. Thanks agian, Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth V Cardinal" <evc1369@comcast.net> To: <NYQUEENS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 3:38 PM Subject: RE: [QUEENS] Interesting family history > Do you know all of the following about your Uncle? Have you seen the > movie? > You can probably still rent it. > > Elizabeth V. Cardinal > evc1369@comcast.net > http://www.cafepress.com/formernuns > > > > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > >

Yes, he was very famous - he formed an escape organization for the Jewish people of Rome that enabled them and soldiers to escape from the Nazi Regime. About the Saint, since the certificate is written entirely in Latin I am not sure about the name. However, I think this could be it: "Ossibus S. Gabrielisa Virg. Per?? Couf." I hope this helps. It is dated May 1956. Thanks again for your assistance. Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth V Cardinal" <evc1369@comcast.net> To: <NYQUEENS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 3:38 PM Subject: RE: [QUEENS] Interesting family history > > If you tell me who the Saint is, I can lead you to the correct > information. > > I need to double check but your Uncle may have been quite famous. > > > Elizabeth V. Cardinal > evc1369@comcast.net > http://www.cafepress.com/formernuns > > > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Do you know all of the following about your Uncle? Have you seen the movie? You can probably still rent it. Elizabeth V. Cardinal evc1369@comcast.net http://www.cafepress.com/formernuns

If you tell me who the Saint is, I can lead you to the correct information. I need to double check but your Uncle may have been quite famous. Elizabeth V. Cardinal evc1369@comcast.net http://www.cafepress.com/formernuns

Thank you for sharing this. I found it very interesting. I am related to a Msgr. that was in the Holy See during WWII. Msgr. Hugh O'Flaherty. He was my grandmother's cousin. Anyway I recently "rediscovered" that I have a relic that he must have given to my mother or grandmother. Do you happen to know how one goes about finding out more about the Saint. I have papers that are with the relic, however they are in Latin. TIA Mary in NC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth V Cardinal" <evc1369@comcast.net> To: <NYQUEENS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 2:28 PM Subject: [QUEENS] Interesting family history > You never know just who you might be related to....and you will never know > if you don't research. > > Patricia Szalwinski, third cousin of Pope St. Pius X, shows off a drawing > done of the late Pope in 1955, a second-class relic. (Staff photos by > Holly > Mutz) > Amy Seiford 01.JUN.05 > With the recent passing of Pope John Paul II, the papacy has been a topic > on > the lips of not only Catholics, but people of all denominations around the > world. > > More than a billion Catholics worldwide look to the Pope as a leader in > faith. So imagine how it must feel to find out you're related to a past > Pope. > > A number of area residents know that feeling, because they are related to > Giuseppe Sarto, who became Pope Pius X. Pope Pius X was elected Pope in > 1903 > and served until 1914. > > Among the late Pope's local relatives are Patricia Szalwinski and her > daughter, Pamela Ramos. > > They learned they are related to Pope Pius X through the exhaustive > research > of Szalwinski's aunt, the late Gladys Collins. > > Szalwinski knew about the religious relationship when she was in high > school, but didn't realize the significance of it. > > "Now, I can't believe it," Szalwinski said. "This is a wonderment." > > Ramos also learned of the relationship to the Pope in her childhood. > > "It's interesting because some people are related to the president, and to > me, the Pope is above that," Ramos said. > > The relationship goes back hundreds of years. Three Sarto brothers were > born > in Italy in the early 1700s: Giuseppe (who later changed his name to > Joseph > Krawiec), Marco, and Angelo. Krawiec's great-great-great-granddaughter is > Szalwinski. Angelo Sarto's great-grandson was Giuseppe Sarto, who would > become Pope Pius X. Therefore, the two are distant cousins, according to > Szalwinski. > > Pope Pius X is known most for encouraging the revision of the Catholic > church's music, including incorporating the Gregorian chant into Masses. > He > also urged frequent communion and lowered the age for children to receive > communion. > > He was canonized on May 29, 1954, making him the first Pope to be named a > saint in 342 years. Collins attended the event in Rome. > > "She received a sliver of bone at the canonization," Szalwinski said. "She > kept it locked away in her home." > > The sliver of bone is a first-class relic of the deceased Pope. In the > Catholic religion, relics are treated with the utmost respect and honor. > > Szalwinski said her sister, the late Virginia Zaiontz, helped Collins with > much of her research. > > "She helped organize the information," Szalwinski said. "She wrote a lot > down and made a calendar charting our relation to Pope Pius X." > > After Collins passed away, Zaiontz received many of the relics and > religious > memorabilia that Collins had collected. Although Zaiontz has passed away > as > well, Szalwinski works hard to keep the legacy alive. > > Szalwinski's family, who are all Catholic, have embraced their religion > more > so because of the bloodline. > > Ramos said the relationship, although not the basis for her spirituality, > serves as a driving force behind her Catholic ties. > > "It's made us stronger as far as religion," Ramos said. "My kids and I > pray > before I drop them off at school to help with guidance and things like > that." > > Recently, Szalwinski and her brother-in-law, Fabian Zaiontz (husband of > the > late Virginia Zaiontz), unlocked a safe holding a Pope St. Pius X > first-class relic from the Vatican. > > But because both Szalwinski's aunt and sister have passed away, she isn't > sure what the relic is: the sliver of bone or the fabric from one of the > former Pope's garments. It may be a question both she and Zaiontz may > never > have answered. > > "There's so much we don't know, because there is no one to ask," > Szalwinski > said. "But these are things that are very dear to me. It just shows how > much > you should talk to people when they are alive." > > hmutz@wcn-online.com > > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

You never know just who you might be related to....and you will never know if you don't research. Patricia Szalwinski, third cousin of Pope St. Pius X, shows off a drawing done of the late Pope in 1955, a second-class relic. (Staff photos by Holly Mutz) Amy Seiford 01.JUN.05 With the recent passing of Pope John Paul II, the papacy has been a topic on the lips of not only Catholics, but people of all denominations around the world. More than a billion Catholics worldwide look to the Pope as a leader in faith. So imagine how it must feel to find out you're related to a past Pope. A number of area residents know that feeling, because they are related to Giuseppe Sarto, who became Pope Pius X. Pope Pius X was elected Pope in 1903 and served until 1914. Among the late Pope's local relatives are Patricia Szalwinski and her daughter, Pamela Ramos. They learned they are related to Pope Pius X through the exhaustive research of Szalwinski's aunt, the late Gladys Collins. Szalwinski knew about the religious relationship when she was in high school, but didn't realize the significance of it. "Now, I can't believe it," Szalwinski said. "This is a wonderment." Ramos also learned of the relationship to the Pope in her childhood. "It's interesting because some people are related to the president, and to me, the Pope is above that," Ramos said. The relationship goes back hundreds of years. Three Sarto brothers were born in Italy in the early 1700s: Giuseppe (who later changed his name to Joseph Krawiec), Marco, and Angelo. Krawiec's great-great-great-granddaughter is Szalwinski. Angelo Sarto's great-grandson was Giuseppe Sarto, who would become Pope Pius X. Therefore, the two are distant cousins, according to Szalwinski. Pope Pius X is known most for encouraging the revision of the Catholic church's music, including incorporating the Gregorian chant into Masses. He also urged frequent communion and lowered the age for children to receive communion. He was canonized on May 29, 1954, making him the first Pope to be named a saint in 342 years. Collins attended the event in Rome. "She received a sliver of bone at the canonization," Szalwinski said. "She kept it locked away in her home." The sliver of bone is a first-class relic of the deceased Pope. In the Catholic religion, relics are treated with the utmost respect and honor. Szalwinski said her sister, the late Virginia Zaiontz, helped Collins with much of her research. "She helped organize the information," Szalwinski said. "She wrote a lot down and made a calendar charting our relation to Pope Pius X." After Collins passed away, Zaiontz received many of the relics and religious memorabilia that Collins had collected. Although Zaiontz has passed away as well, Szalwinski works hard to keep the legacy alive. Szalwinski's family, who are all Catholic, have embraced their religion more so because of the bloodline. Ramos said the relationship, although not the basis for her spirituality, serves as a driving force behind her Catholic ties. "It's made us stronger as far as religion," Ramos said. "My kids and I pray before I drop them off at school to help with guidance and things like that." Recently, Szalwinski and her brother-in-law, Fabian Zaiontz (husband of the late Virginia Zaiontz), unlocked a safe holding a Pope St. Pius X first-class relic from the Vatican. But because both Szalwinski's aunt and sister have passed away, she isn't sure what the relic is: the sliver of bone or the fabric from one of the former Pope's garments. It may be a question both she and Zaiontz may never have answered. "There's so much we don't know, because there is no one to ask," Szalwinski said. "But these are things that are very dear to me. It just shows how much you should talk to people when they are alive." hmutz@wcn-online.com

I'm reposting the following with ghe permission of Thomas C. McCarthy, general secretary/webmaster, New York Correction History Society: begin reposting = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = On Memorial Day 2005 the web site of the New York Correction History Society web site announced unveiling its latest presentation: Another NYC Isle's Prisons: Fort Jay, Castle Williams -- six web pages on Governors Island history including 55 images and a bibliography of 81 on-line resources used. Among topics explored in words and images (and in some instances, sound) are the forts, the former School of Practice for Field Musicians, its Drum Major's Music Book, "Dixie" and the famous 24 notes of "Taps," the various executions, the chapels, the chaplaincy of Fr. Whelan to Union and Confederate POWs, the imprisonment of Chiricahua Apaches, early 20th Century prison life, the Nazi spies' story and the tale of the West Point graduate who studied law while assigned to Governors Island and who in the late 1930s became NYC Correction Commissioner and in 1948 became the first Israeli general in modern history. The direct URL is: http://www.correctionhistory.org/civilwar/governorsisland/index.html The presentation also can be accessed from a link line on the home page immediately below the "Civil War & Correction" icon at www.correctionhistory.org or from the site's "Civil War & Correction" menu page at http://www.correctionhistory.org/civilwar/index.html By the way, the number of www.correctionhistory.org files (words.images, sounds) now exceeds 6,000 (taking up 300+ Mbs of server space), making the site the largest on-line resource devoted to any state or city's history of correctional services. Thomas C. McCarthy, general secretary/webmaster, New York Correction History Society www.correctionhistory.org nychs@nyc.rr.com end reposting = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = I hope this information is useful or, at least, interesting. Regards, Walter Greenspan