No it is not.....the sons of Johan Jacob most likely using only Jacob and Elisabetha were: Maximillian (Max) Wilhelm (William) Ludwig (Louis) Jacob (usually used Jake) Thanks Elizabeth V. Cardinal evc1369@comcast.net http://www.cafepress.com/formernuns

There is an Elizabeth Frey b. Apr. 1826 age 74, Widowed, born in "Germany" living in Brooklyn Ward 28, Kings Co., NY in 1900. She is living with her sons George and John H. and daughter, Barbara. If this is the right family, I will send you the complete information. Barbara Denno ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth V Cardinal" <evc1369@comcast.net> To: <NYQUEENS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 11:13 AM Subject: RE: [QUEENS] A favor please > Johan Jacob Frey was born in Bavaria in 1818. His wife Elisabetha was > born > in 1826 also in Bavaria. > > We have them on the 1880 Census living on Borden Avenue in Long Island > City. > At that time it shows him to be not working due to ill health. > > We have no idea when they died or where they are buried and they do not > appear on the database provided by the Italian Genealogy group or at least > we cannot pick them out. > > Thank You. > > approximately how old would he have been in 1900 and where was he born? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Elizabeth V Cardinal" <evc1369@comcast.net> > To: <NYQUEENS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 9:24 AM > Subject: [QUEENS] A favor please > > >> If someone has access to the 1900 census would you look in both Brooklyn >> and >> Queens for Johan Jacob Frey and Elisabetha, please. Keep in mind he was >> probably using Jacob or Jake. >> > > Elizabeth V. Cardinal > evc1369@comcast.net > http://www.cafepress.com/formernuns > > > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Johan Jacob Frey was born in Bavaria in 1818. His wife Elisabetha was born in 1826 also in Bavaria. We have them on the 1880 Census living on Borden Avenue in Long Island City. At that time it shows him to be not working due to ill health. We have no idea when they died or where they are buried and they do not appear on the database provided by the Italian Genealogy group or at least we cannot pick them out. Thank You. approximately how old would he have been in 1900 and where was he born? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth V Cardinal" <evc1369@comcast.net> To: <NYQUEENS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 9:24 AM Subject: [QUEENS] A favor please > If someone has access to the 1900 census would you look in both Brooklyn > and > Queens for Johan Jacob Frey and Elisabetha, please. Keep in mind he was > probably using Jacob or Jake. > Elizabeth V. Cardinal evc1369@comcast.net http://www.cafepress.com/formernuns

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/WUB.2ACI/1342.1.1 Message Board Post: Thanks, Kathleen, I did find that info and was able to get a copy of Albrechts Death Certificate.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/WUB.2ACI/1320.3.1 Message Board Post: Thank you very much for your reply. I'm looking for Ethel Forstrom. Reuter is my husband's family. I appreciate your help. Yvonne

Approximately how old would he have been in 1900 and where was he born? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth V Cardinal" <evc1369@comcast.net> To: <NYQUEENS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 9:24 AM Subject: [QUEENS] A favor please > If someone has access to the 1900 census would you look in both Brooklyn > and > Queens for Johan Jacob Frey and Elisabetha, please. Keep in mind he was > probably using Jacob or Jake. > > I may have missed it when I looked last year. > > Thank You > > Elizabeth V. Cardinal > evc1369@comcast.net > http://www.cafepress.com/formernuns > > > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Lori, I have all that information....remember...I gave it to you and it is posted on the BavarianFreys website. e Elizabeth V. Cardinal evc1369@comcast.net http://www.cafepress.com/formernuns

Family Group Report - 5 Jun 2005 ************************************************** Husband: George J. HAGGERTY ************************************************** Birth: 1885 Place: Connecticut Occupation: Watchman in the subway industry ************************************************** Marriage: 1920 Place: Queens, NY ************************************************** Wife: Anna {Annie} FREY ************************************************** Birth: 27 Jun 1879 Place: Queens, NY Father: Jacob {Jake} FREY (1854-1933) Mother: Franciska Elizabeth {Frances} SCHMITT (1858-1890) Other Spouses Thomas BERNHARDT ************************************************** Last Modified: 5 Jun 2005 ============================================================= Family Group Report - 5 Jun 2005 ************************************************** Husband: Thomas BERNHARDT ************************************************** Birth: 1872 Place: New York. NY Occupation: Engineer in the building industry. ************************************************** Marriage: 1900 Place: Queens, New York ************************************************** Wife: Anna {Annie} FREY ************************************************** Birth: 27 Jun 1879 Place: Queens, NY Father: Jacob {Jake} FREY (1854-1933) Mother: Franciska Elizabeth {Frances} SCHMITT (1858-1890) Other Spouses George J. HAGGERTY ************************************************** Children... ************************************************** 1. F Child: Marie BERNHARDT Birth: About 1901 Place: Borough of Queens, New York City Spouse: Victor HOLSKY ************************************************** 2. M Child: Thomas {Tommy} BERNHARDT Birth: About 1902 Place: Borough of Queens, New York City ************************************************** 3. M Child: Theodore {Teddy} BERNHARDT Birth: About 1903 Place: Borough of Queens, New York City ************************************************** 4. F Child: Anna BERNHARDT Birth: About 1905 Place: Borough of Queens, New York City Spouse: Unknown FAGAN ************************************************** 5. M Child: William J. {Bill} BERNHARDT Birth: 4 Apr 1910 Place: Borough of Queens, New York City Death: 4 Feb 1996 Place: Bayonne, Hudson, New Jersey Occupation: Apprentice in the Engraving Industry Soc. Sec Num: 059-09-8834 issued in New York before 1951 Spouse: Sylvia UNKNOWN Husband's Notes... ************************************************** Residence: April 21, 1910, 400 Steinmart Avenue, Queens, NYC, Queens, New York Wife's Notes... ************************************************** Last Modified: 5 Jun 2005 ----- Original Message ----- From: Elizabeth V Cardinal To: NYQUEENS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 12:25 PM Subject: [QUEENS] Anna Frey and Thomas Bernhard Looking for descendents of the above Bernhard family. Their children: Marie born 1901 who married a Holsky Thomas born 1902 Theodore born 1903 Anna born 1905 who married a Fagan William born 1910 who married Sylvia (surname unknown) and had three children, William, Elaine and Thomas. William and Sylvia moved to Bayonne, NJ and died there. I believe Elaine ..do not know married name...also moved to Bayonne, NJ Anna Frey Bernhard, after the death of Thomas Bernhard, married a George Haggerty. Can you help me? Thanks Elizabeth V. Cardinal evc1369@comcast.net http://www.cafepress.com/formernuns ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

This is all I have so far: Descendant Report - 5 Jun 2005 ************************************************** Thomas BERNHARDT (1872 - ) & Anna {Annie} FREY (27 Jun 1879 - ) | Marie BERNHARDT (About 1901 - ) & Victor HOLSKY | | Dorothy HOLSKY (6 Feb 1923 - ) | Thomas {Tommy} BERNHARDT (About 1902 - ) | Theodore {Teddy} BERNHARDT (About 1903 - ) | Anna BERNHARDT (About 1905 - ) & Unknown FAGAN | William J. {Bill} BERNHARDT (4 Apr 1910 - 4 Feb 1996) & Sylvia UNKNOWN | | Willaim BERNHARDT | | Elaine BERNHARDT ----- Original Message ----- From: Elizabeth V Cardinal To: NYQUEENS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 12:25 PM Subject: [QUEENS] Anna Frey and Thomas Bernhard Looking for descendents of the above Bernhard family. Their children: Marie born 1901 who married a Holsky Thomas born 1902 Theodore born 1903 Anna born 1905 who married a Fagan William born 1910 who married Sylvia (surname unknown) and had three children, William, Elaine and Thomas. William and Sylvia moved to Bayonne, NJ and died there. I believe Elaine ..do not know married name...also moved to Bayonne, NJ Anna Frey Bernhard, after the death of Thomas Bernhard, married a George Haggerty. Can you help me? Thanks Elizabeth V. Cardinal evc1369@comcast.net http://www.cafepress.com/formernuns ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

Has anyone had any luck obtaining marriage information from about 1877? I am willing to pay the NY Municipal Archives fee for searching Queens and Brooklyn but would like your input. Thanks Elizabeth V. Cardinal evc1369@comcast.net http://www.cafepress.com/formernuns

Have you checked with your LDS? My parents were both on file, in 1963 and 1964. I was able to get copies of both. Good Luck, Dee. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth V Cardinal" <evc1369@comcast.net> To: <NYQUEENS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 8:55 PM Subject: RE: [QUEENS] Help with death certificate please > I am tired and my brain is water logged from all the rain we are having in > South West Florida so I just gave the wrong response. We found the death > cert for another family member. > > If the address is Greenpoint then the record will not be in the > archives....drat. > > Thanks Again > > Elizabeth V. Cardinal > evc1369@comcast.net > http://www.cafepress.com/formernuns > > > > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > > >

Looking for descendents of the above Bernhard family. Their children: Marie born 1901 who married a Holsky Thomas born 1902 Theodore born 1903 Anna born 1905 who married a Fagan William born 1910 who married Sylvia (surname unknown) and had three children, William, Elaine and Thomas. William and Sylvia moved to Bayonne, NJ and died there. I believe Elaine ..do not know married name...also moved to Bayonne, NJ Anna Frey Bernhard, after the death of Thomas Bernhard, married a George Haggerty. Can you help me? Thanks Elizabeth V. Cardinal evc1369@comcast.net http://www.cafepress.com/formernuns

This probably won't help you, but Brooklyn 1875 MC had lots of information that we didn't have. Currently it is in storage so can't type it for you, BUT parents names were there, signatures of the bride and groom were there. For me, this are the only signatures I have ever seen of either of my ggparents. Twas a blessing for me. was worth the money. Once I got that, Ihad a new name to look in census for, and found many relatives of the groom. something happened during marriage, and the skeleton went into closet. the bride NEVER talked about the husband, and apparently threw away all records she had and photos of him. (she was a lovely lady, NOT!) I discovered the grooms family in the same local area my grandma lived and worked in, and to my knowlegdge she knew nothing about them. I even found them in the same cemetary, buried a short distance away, and we plus the New York family never knew about them. It was all worth it to me. Blessings, Judy in CA

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/WUB.2ACI/1375.2 Message Board Post: You need to know the section of Queens in which your subjects lived. Long Island City marriage registers (*not certificates*) existed before 1880, but some of these registers included only the most basic information: bride, groom, minister, date -- no parental information or witnesses. Furthermore, there are gaps in these ledgers. I know the 1879 pages on which my gggps would have been listed are absent from the film, so I would guess there are other gaps. As far as I know, the other Queens town marriage registers (Flushing, Jamaica, etc.) didn't begin until 1881 (with an additional short period 1847-48). The family history catalog has groom indexes for these two periods. There were also Queens marriage certificates filed in Albany, but only for the period 1881-1897. These are available at the NYS Dept of Health. Good luck Patty Fagan Boston

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/WUB.2ACI/1374.1 Message Board Post: Your chances of finding a birth record from 1851 on a particular person in NYC are very slim. Most working class people did not report births that early, records were not kept/enforced until later in the 1800's and even then, many went unreported. Your best bet is curch records, baptisim records. But, that assumes the family was involved with a church, you know what church, and the church still exsists. You might try a search on Familysearch.org, and also look in their microfilm holdings and see what years they have microfilmed for the birth indexes of NYC. You can order these films thru your local Family History center. If it was Queens County you would have to go directly to the town that the event happened in (LDS did not microfilm Queens and east) and again chances are on an event that early the town will not have records, but check churches. Good luck, Janet

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/WUB.2ACI/1375.1 Message Board Post: What were their names? Do you know what town in Queens they were married in? I haven't seen a certificate from Queens Co. yet for that time frame, but have many from NYC area and they usually contain current address, age, where born, parents names, what # marriage is it, name of person marrying them and where it took place, and witnesses. Parents names are always most valuable to me, but I'm amazed at how many times I find that they don't know their mother's maiden name!

HI Steve I used t go to St Matthias and so did my kids and the address on that was 58-15 Catalapa Ave It sounds like your address was more towards Fresh Pond Rd .Maybe u can look it up or call the Ridgewood Times Newspapers they may be able to help u Peter Geis Funeral home was 57-34 Catalapa Ave cor of Onderdonk Ave This goes back to 1970 when I had moved out of Ridgewood .Sure hope this helps some . Best Wishes Julie ---- from Ocala,Florida now

I went to Ask Jeeves, and punched in Catalpa Avrnue, and received a couple of good hits. May help ----- Original Message ----- From: <Imock98@aol.com> To: <NYQUEENS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 4:27 AM Subject: [QUEENS] Catalpa Avenue, Ridgewood > Dear pagers, > > I am looking for a 1915 address on Catalpa Avenue in Queens. It seems the > house numbers have changed since then. Does anyone know how to find the > present address of what was 28-11 Catalpa Avenue, Ridgewood? > Steve from Queens > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Dear pagers, I am looking for a 1915 address on Catalpa Avenue in Queens. It seems the house numbers have changed since then. Does anyone know how to find the present address of what was 28-11 Catalpa Avenue, Ridgewood? Steve from Queens

Hello Steve, No, sorry I can't help you with any addresses. I had thought about you today and I was going to email you earlier to see how you are doing but got side tracked with my major yard remodeling. So how are you doing? How's the weather? The weather here in Ca. is and always has been strange. It will be sunny and hot, then the wind will start blowing, the sky will get an overcast and it will look like rain. Then all of a sudden the sky is clear and hot. The town that I live in is close to the base of the mountains and right in the center of what is called the Santa Ana Winds. One morning I had opened my door to let my dog out and the wind had blown one of my hanging plants right off the hook and blown over my bakers rack and all those poor plants were all in different parts of the yard. They made it through okay. Gave them some plant vitiams and fixed the bakers rack so if it blew that hard again they would be safe and fixed the hanging one to. Well the sun is coming up, time for bed for me. Take Care, Cynthia Imock98@aol.com wrote: Dear pagers, I am looking for a 1915 address on Catalpa Avenue in Queens. It seems the house numbers have changed since then. Does anyone know how to find the present address of what was 28-11 Catalpa Avenue, Ridgewood? Steve from Queens ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx