Please send me a copy also. -------Original Message------- From: NYOTSEGO-L@rootsweb.com Date: 02/29/04 13:19:47 To: NYOTSEGO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [NYOTSEGO] tell you what I'm going to do I have decided to type up this little book as an email. If anyone would like me to email it to you, please send me your email addy. I will be doing it in 19 emails. This way you can read it, toss it or print it, do whatever you want with it. When I am done, the original will go to the Gilbertsville Free Library. Leigh and I have a relationship that goes back several years so she is the one who gets this. Karen Eddy ==== NYOTSEGO Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from this list in list mode send an email with the word, unsubscribe,in the subject field & body of the message to the following address: NYOtsego-l-request@rootsweb.com ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Please email me a copy. This is a brilliant solution and it give me an idea for something for the Madison County list............ Thank you so much.

In a message dated 2/29/04 1:18:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, CapnScupsGGD@msn.com writes: << am done, the original will go to the Gilbertsville Free Library. Leigh and I have a relationship that goes back several years so she is the one who gets this. >> Karen, this is fantastic.

Karen, Please email me a copy. Thanx. Paul F. Giometti ____________ pgiometti@stny.rr.com Researching surnames: ALEXANDER, BLY, CHEISA, COLVIN, DAVIS, GIOMETTI, HILTZ, RIPLEY, ROBERTS, ROSSINI, PADDOCK, TALLMAN ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Eddy" <CapnScupsGGD@msn.com> To: <NYOTSEGO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 1:17 PM Subject: [NYOTSEGO] tell you what I'm going to do > I have decided to type up this little book as an email. If anyone would like me to email it to you, please send me your email addy. I will be doing it in 19 emails. This way you can read it, toss it or print it, do whatever you want with it. When I am done, the original will go to the Gilbertsville Free Library. Leigh and I have a relationship that goes back several years so she is the one who gets this. > > Karen Eddy > > > ==== NYOTSEGO Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list in list mode send an email with the word, unsubscribe,in the subject field & body of the message to the following address: NYOtsego-l-request@rootsweb.com > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

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I have decided to type up this little book as an email. If anyone would like me to email it to you, please send me your email addy. I will be doing it in 19 emails. This way you can read it, toss it or print it, do whatever you want with it. When I am done, the original will go to the Gilbertsville Free Library. Leigh and I have a relationship that goes back several years so she is the one who gets this. Karen Eddy

In a message dated 2/29/04 11:34:21 AM Eastern Standard Time, snowstar@earthlink.net writes: << Wouldn't it be more widely available (and I'm sure it would be of great interest!) if you donated it to the New York State Historical Association Library in Cooperstown? >> If you are not a member it costs a lot of money to go in there to research. Last time I was there it was a whopping $9. People on fixed incomes cannot afford these prices. Elaine

To Karen Eddy, I would appreciate your adding me to the email list. Thanks, NDavis1@san.rr.com

Karen - Wouldn't it be more widely available (and I'm sure it would be of great interest!) if you donated it to the New York State Historical Association Library in Cooperstown? Also, they would know much more about not only preserving it, but copyright issues, etc. Check out their website: <http://www.nyscha.org> Jean Chapman Snow

Karen, Here is the "govt" copyright page. > http://www.copyright.gov/ Works that were created on or after 1-1-1978 are protected for Life (or the author) plus 70 yrs. If it was published before 1923 then it no longer has any copyright protection. It is in the public domain. If published from 1923 - 1963 then 28 yrs and it can be renewed for 67 yrs more - if renewed! If it has not been renewed then it is in the public domain. If published from 1964-77 then when published - 28 yrs plus 67 yrs. If the work was "created" before 1-1-1978 "but not published" then it is Life (of the author) plus 70 yrs or until 12-31-2002 - whichever is greater. If created before 1-1-1978 BUT published between that date and 12-31-2002, then it is life (of the author) plus 70 yrs OR 12-31-2047 whichever is greater. Now, that is how I read it, from a chart published by the Univ of NC - and understand it. I don't remember when you said your booklet was originally published. However, check it out "yourself" on this website and you should feel at ease about whether to put it on the internet site or not. Good luck, Carol Karen Eddy wrote: > >

A few more thoughts.... This is a 5.5"x8.5" paper booklet, 17.5 pages long, 18.5 pages if you want to count the introduction. Since Ralph Morse mentions his wife's death in 1947 in the introduction, it was written sometime after then. I can't remember how I got this booklet, probably off of ebay, but it is not in good shape. The pages are falling out and the back cover looks like someone tried to eat it. There is absolutely nothing in here that would qualify as a historical breakthrough. I would say 99% of what Ralph has written has been written elsewhere. Yet, because I did not write this, I cannot post it until I am sure that it is legal to do so. I am absolutely, 1000% positive that Ralph would be tickled to know that this little essay has sparked a discussion. Karen Eddy

Karen You can put it on the internet for "educational purposes" and NOT be subject to litigation for copyright infringement in any way.. just don't charge for access or copies. This is from the FAIR USE part of copyrighting.... The copyright law regarding quotes does not cite a percentage, but rather that the quoted portion is not a "significant" amount. Finally, there is probably no significant monetary value in the pamphlet you have...( of course you could try to sell it on ebay and see what it's worth <s>) so even if you were a vile copyright claim jumper and published the document with your name on it... I doubt that you'd get rich (or sued).<s> Ken Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Eddy" <CapnScupsGGD@msn.com> To: <NYOTSEGO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2004 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [NYOTSEGO] advice needed > After doing a little sleuthing, I found that Ralph Dewey Morse died in 1977 and is buried in Unadilla's Evergreen Cemetery. Big sigh. That means this little gem of a booklet can't be posted for another 23 years. For the record, his wife was Stella Rifenbark. Ralph was a descendant of Sluman Wattles. > > Karen Flanders Eddy > > > ==== NYOTSEGO Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list in list mode send an email with the word, unsubscribe,in the subject field & body of the message to the following address: NYOtsego-l-request@rootsweb.com > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

<< In a message dated 2/28/2004 6:49:21 AM Pacific Standard Time, CapnScupsGGD@msn.com writes: I will probably end up donating this little booklet to the Gilbertsville Library. >> Great! Let us know when you do this so I can run over and read it. Elaine

<<Hi Karen, Could you list names in book and offer to do lookups? At least that way it would get out there for people to know that the info is available. You could have Jan put a notice on the Otsego web page for people to contact you. If you could find a descendant of Ralph's, they could give you permission to put the book on the web page. Good luck! Sandy>> I could do that, Sandy, but I would dearly love to pass on the "homespun" quality of this little 18-pager. For example, did you know that in the 19th century, ladies wore their engagement rings on the first finger of the left hand? I sure didn't know this. There is a story about the Indians taking Nancy Wattles' baby that I have read elsewhere. Ralph goes on to say that this baby was his great-grandmother. I don't think I'll be breaking any laws by posting one paragraph from this booklet, just to show you what I mean: ~~~ In 1856 when my grandfather moved to the Dewey house (built in 1810) on the Ouleout, there was a camp of Delaware Indians on the Ouleout near his home. Game animals and fur bearing animals were plentiful. Buckskin was much used for clothing. A hunter knew that a deer head contained just enough of the brain to tan his skin. Cow hide was tanned with a hemlock bark solution. In curing rawhide no solution was used except a light wood ash solution to help remove the hair. There were no game laws at the middle of the century. There were no automobiles, no radios, no telephones, no hard roads and no snow plows for the roads. ~~~ The chapter headings are called: Iroquois Five Nations Pact Mac Wattles Family Ancestry First Settlers Churches School Eels Tannery Family Life of Early Settlers (from which the above paragraph was taken) A Day With A Settler's Family (the story of the Indians taking the baby) Unadilla At The End Of The Century Karen

Copyright law is a bit tricky; however it seems to me that there is not sufficient material in 18 pages to make a lawsuit worthwhile. In general, the proponent (copyright holder) must prove his damages, usually by showing the revenue obtained by the defendant from the publication of the material (or the loss of such income to the proponent as he could obtain by selling it). It appears to me that 1) there is to be no damages and 2) there may not be any heirs to file suit. Even if there are, there is a reasonable likelihood that they will never learn of the infringement (if it is one). All litigation, especially copyright litigation, is expensive and the heirs, even if notified, may not have the funds to sue or the desire to do so. As in so many things, you weigh the facts as you know them and proceed with your own decision. Consider: The Readers Digest buys the right to reprint articles from other magazines, etc. Reviewers are permitted to copy verbatim selections from books they are reviewing Cliff Hayes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy Robinson" <cindy@cs.cornell.edu> To: <NYOTSEGO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2004 10:04 AM Subject: RE: [NYOTSEGO] advice needed > before you do, I think we should discuss duplication abit more. > As I understand it, one can copy a percentage - can anyone comment on that? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Karen Eddy [mailto:CapnScupsGGD@msn.com] > Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2004 9:49 AM > To: NYOTSEGO-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NYOTSEGO] advice needed > > > Stella Rifenbark Morse died in 1947. Ralph mentions her but does not make > any mention of children. I will probably end up donating this little booklet > to the Gilbertsville Library. > > Karen Flanders Eddy > > > ==== NYOTSEGO Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list in list mode send an email with the word, > unsubscribe,in the subject field & body of the message to the following > address: NYOtsego-l-request@rootsweb.com > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > ==== NYOTSEGO Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list in digest mode send an email with > the word, unsubscribe,in the subject field & body of the message > to the following address: NYOtsego-d-request@rootsweb.com > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Great Idea Sandy. I also wanted to suggest that if you are going to donate it, please consider the Unadilla historical society. They would be so pleased to have it especially since it deals with Sluman Wattles and Unadilla. Rene' Karen Eddy wrote: > After doing a little sleuthing, I found that Ralph Dewey Morse died in 1977 and is buried in Unadilla's Evergreen Cemetery. Big sigh. That means this little gem of a booklet can't be posted for another 23 years. For the record, his wife was Stella Rifenbark. Ralph was a descendant of Sluman Wattles. > > Karen Flanders Eddy > ==== NYOTSEGO Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from this list in digest mode send an email with the word, unsubscribe,in the subject field & body of the message to the following address: NYOtsego-d-request@rootsweb.com ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Thanks, Karen, I had to shorten the url but found it fine. I descend from daughter, Elizabeth, who married Stephen Greenleaf. Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: Karen Eddy<mailto:CapnScupsGGD@msn.com> To: NYOTSEGO-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:NYOTSEGO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 5:06 PM Subject: [NYOTSEGO] are you a Coffin descendant? http://140.186.109.142/bgr/BGR-p/master_index.htm<http://140.186.109.142/bgr/BGR-p/master_index.htm<http://140.186.109.142/bgr/BGR-p/master_index.htm<http://140.186.109.142/bgr/BGR-p/master_index.htm>> While I wait for an answer to my last question, I thought I'd pass along this site. Many of the descendants of Tristram Coffin and Dionis Stevens of Nantucket moved to New York. The above url will take you to the Eliza Barney Starbuck records. There are a few Otsego County people in there, and I remember one Unadilla person. Karen Flanders Eddy ==== NYOTSEGO Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from this list in digest mode send an email with the word, unsubscribe,in the subject field & body of the message to the following address: NYOtsego-d-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:NYOtsego-d-request@rootsweb.com> ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237<http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237>

before you do, I think we should discuss duplication abit more. As I understand it, one can copy a percentage - can anyone comment on that? -----Original Message----- From: Karen Eddy [mailto:CapnScupsGGD@msn.com] Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2004 9:49 AM To: NYOTSEGO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NYOTSEGO] advice needed Stella Rifenbark Morse died in 1947. Ralph mentions her but does not make any mention of children. I will probably end up donating this little booklet to the Gilbertsville Library. Karen Flanders Eddy ==== NYOTSEGO Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from this list in list mode send an email with the word, unsubscribe,in the subject field & body of the message to the following address: NYOtsego-l-request@rootsweb.com ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

Hi Karen, Could you list names in book and offer to do lookups? At least that way it would get out there for people to know that the info is available. You could have Jan put a notice on the Otsego web page for people to contact you. If you could find a descendant of Ralph's, they could give you permission to put the book on the web page. Good luck! Sandy Karen Eddy wrote: > After doing a little sleuthing, I found that Ralph Dewey Morse died in 1977 and is buried in Unadilla's Evergreen Cemetery. Big sigh. That means this little gem of a booklet can't be posted for another 23 years. For the record, his wife was Stella Rifenbark. Ralph was a descendant of Sluman Wattles. > > Karen Flanders Eddy >

In a message dated 2/28/2004 6:49:21 AM Pacific Standard Time, CapnScupsGGD@msn.com writes: I will probably end up donating this little booklet to the Gilbertsville Library. That sounds like a good plan. Sue Susan M. Hillier Roe Seal Beach, CA SueMHR@aol.com "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed people can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead, 1901-1978