message posted November 16 '05 -where is it??

In a message dated 11/17/2005 3:53:58 AM Pacific Standard Time, DPratt137@aol.com writes: The Godfrey library also has access. Tracy Pratt Hogan ------------------------ You can become a Godfrey Library Scholar for only $35.00 per year. Besides the newspapers, you can use Heritage Quest from the comfort of your home. Best bargain I ever bought! Has US Census images too! Sue Susan M. Roe SueMHR@aol.com Seal Beach, CA A friend is one who comes in when the whole world has gone out. Anonymous

Thank you Elaine for your reply.I have Thomas and family down. It is just up tree that I have a problem. His first wife's name was Mariah ( ) and his second was Olive OWENS. They are buried in St Matthews churchyard in Unadilla. I need to know his parents and since he was born in 1797, the information is difficult to find. Shirley WRIGHT GRAVES OWENS CANNON CLANCY PLUE(Plugh, Plough etc.) SWEET From: <elainedecker@frontiernet.net> Date: November 16, 2005 10:22:02 AM PST To: NYOTSEGO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NYOTSEGO] Newspaper - Thomas GRAVES Shirley, Do you know the name of your ancestor's wife? Does the name Hannah or Betsy mean anything to you? I have an Otsego County ancestor that probably died before his wife as she was living in the FULLER household in Laurens in the mid 1800s. Sorry I cannot be more specific right now. My computer is in the shop with my family tree in it. If you think we connect I will pull out my paper files. Elaine

> > Try this also if you wish: > New York State Public Library Newspaper Collection The New York State Public Library in Albany, New York has a vast collection of the newspapers published in the State going back into the 1800s or further. You can reach it's Web Site at http://www.nysl.nysed.gov/. I believe you can read the index of papers and dates that they have in the collection, listed by County and, within county, by locality. These are available through interlibrary loan through your local library. I understand that this service is free to New York State residents; for others, even us Texans, there is a nominal fee. The previous mesage omitted the last four words. I apologize for that. > > Cliff Hayes > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <DPratt137@aol.com> > To: <NYOTSEGO-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 5:53 AM > Subject: Re: [NYOTSEGO] Otsego County Newspapers > > >> >> >> The Godfrey library also has access. >> Tracy Pratt Hogan >> >> In a message dated 11/16/2005 3:03:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >> dgboyer@charter.net writes: >> >> Members of the New England Historical and Genealogical Society also have >> access to this valuable newspaper resource. >> >> Doug Boyer >> dgboyer@charter.net >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Check out our web page: >> _DPratt137's Home Page_ (http://hometown.aol.com/dpratt137/page1.html) >> >> >> >> ==== NYOTSEGO Mailing List ==== >> To unsubscribe from this list in list mode send an email with the word, >> unsubscribe,in the subject field & body of the message to the following >> address: NYOtsego-l-request@rootsweb.com >> >> ============================== >> Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. >> Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >> >> > > > > ==== NYOTSEGO Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list in digest mode send an email with > the word, unsubscribe,in the subject field & body of the message to the > following address: NYOtsego-d-request@rootsweb.com > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

The Godfrey library also has access. Tracy Pratt Hogan In a message dated 11/16/2005 3:03:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, dgboyer@charter.net writes: Members of the New England Historical and Genealogical Society also have access to this valuable newspaper resource. Doug Boyer dgboyer@charter.net Check out our web page: _DPratt137's Home Page_ (http://hometown.aol.com/dpratt137/page1.html)

Try this also if you wish: New York State Public Library Newspaper Collection The New York State Public Library in Albany, New York has a vast collection of the newspapers published in the State going back into the 1800s or further. You can reach it's Web Site at http://www.nysl.nysed.gov/. I believe you can read the index of papers and dates that they have in the collection, listed by County and, within county, by locality. These are available through interlibrary loan through your local library. I understand that this service is free to New York State residents; for others, even us Texans, there Cliff Hayes ----- Original Message ----- From: <DPratt137@aol.com> To: <NYOTSEGO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 5:53 AM Subject: Re: [NYOTSEGO] Otsego County Newspapers > > > The Godfrey library also has access. > Tracy Pratt Hogan > > In a message dated 11/16/2005 3:03:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > dgboyer@charter.net writes: > > Members of the New England Historical and Genealogical Society also have > access to this valuable newspaper resource. > > Doug Boyer > dgboyer@charter.net > > > > > > > Check out our web page: > _DPratt137's Home Page_ (http://hometown.aol.com/dpratt137/page1.html) > > > > ==== NYOTSEGO Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list in list mode send an email with the word, > unsubscribe,in the subject field & body of the message to the following > address: NYOtsego-l-request@rootsweb.com > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > >

Thanks Doug. I wondered about this, and was going to ask this question. I just subscribed to NEHGS, so am not fully informed as to all that they offer as of yet. Rene' -------Original Message------- From: dgboyer@charter.net Date: 11/16/05 15:13:27 To: NYOTSEGO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NYOTSEGO] Otsego County Newspapers Members of the New England Historical and Genealogical Society also have access to this valuable newspaper resource. Doug Boyer dgboyer@charter.net > > From: "Cooperstown Historian" <coophist@stny.rr.com> > Date: 2005/11/16 Wed PM 01:48:45 EST > To: NYOTSEGO-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [NYOTSEGO] Otsego County Newspapers > > To the List: > Ouch! > My purpose in listing the Otsego County Newspapers now available on the > NYGBS website was to advise list-readers of this resource -- not, I fear, an > offer to research it for them. The newspapers covered in the Early > Newspapers Program covers the entire east of the country, with papers going > through 1876 (though for New York the end date is generally in the 1820s). A > full list can be found at: http://www.readex.com/scholarl/earlamnp.html . > What other organizations besides NYGBS may make this information available I > do not know, but check your state-wide genealogical organizations. ==== NYOTSEGO Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from this list in digest mode send an email with the word, unsubscribe,in the subject field & body of the message to the following address: NYOtsego-d-request@rootsweb.com ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

Members of the New England Historical and Genealogical Society also have access to this valuable newspaper resource. Doug Boyer dgboyer@charter.net > > From: "Cooperstown Historian" <coophist@stny.rr.com> > Date: 2005/11/16 Wed PM 01:48:45 EST > To: NYOTSEGO-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [NYOTSEGO] Otsego County Newspapers > > To the List: > Ouch! > My purpose in listing the Otsego County Newspapers now available on the > NYGBS website was to advise list-readers of this resource -- not, I fear, an > offer to research it for them. The newspapers covered in the Early > Newspapers Program covers the entire east of the country, with papers going > through 1876 (though for New York the end date is generally in the 1820s). A > full list can be found at: http://www.readex.com/scholarl/earlamnp.html . > What other organizations besides NYGBS may make this information available I > do not know, but check your state-wide genealogical organizations.

To the List: Ouch! My purpose in listing the Otsego County Newspapers now available on the NYGBS website was to advise list-readers of this resource -- not, I fear, an offer to research it for them. The newspapers covered in the Early Newspapers Program covers the entire east of the country, with papers going through 1876 (though for New York the end date is generally in the 1820s). A full list can be found at: http://www.readex.com/scholarl/earlamnp.html . What other organizations besides NYGBS may make this information available I do not know, but check your state-wide genealogical organizations. Membership in the NYGBS, which also gives access to US Census information, thousands of genealogies and local histories, and many other resources, costs $60 per year. See: http://www.newyorkfamilyhistory.org/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=51 For anyone concerned with research in New York State it's well worth it, in my personal opinion. And certainly, anyone involved in genealogy should subscribe to one or more services providing access to US Census returns. A number of readers have asked what newspapers cover particular areas in Otsego County: at this period, the only Otsego County online papers available are from Cooperstown and Cherry Valley, and their coverage was extremely veriable and haphazard. Newspapers from the 1820's are unlikely to provide useful genealogical information except (and this sporadically) bare listings of marriages and deaths; these rarely mention either ancestors or descendants of the persons concerned. And these listings are generally of people of some consequence in the community -- not poor farmers. Births are virtually never mentioned. The function of newspapers up through the 1820s was primarily to inform readers of events at the state, national, and international levels -- it was largely presumed that people knew what was going on at home without the need to read it in newspapers. Local entries are therefore largely legal (mortgage foreclosures, etc.), commercial (ads by merchants), legal notifications (lost or found livestock, absconding apprentices and eloping wives), election information and official appointments. Much information available about Otsego County is contained at the County Genweb Site at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyotsego/ Extensive information from genealogies provided by people all over the country is available for free at http://www.rootsweb.com/ . And full information from the 1880 US Census (and a lot more as well) is available free at: http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp Another free source with growing resources is GenCircles at: http://www.gencircles.com/ It isn't very fair to ask local historians -- who generally receive no compensation -- untill you have exhausted other information available on the internet. And when you do ask, please be specific as to names and dates, and indicate what basic work (i.e., census research) you have already done. We spend a lot of time trying to help, and can be very discouraging to spend hours on searching for information only to be told "oh, I already knew that." Hugh MacDougall Official Historian Village of Cooperstown 8 Lake Street Cooperstown, NY 13326 coophist@stny.rr.com

Shirley, Do you know the name of your ancestor's wife? Does the name Hannah or Betsy mean anything to you? I have an Otsego County ancestor that probably died before his wife as she was living in the FULLER household in Laurens in the mid 1800s. Sorry I cannot be more specific right now. My computer is in the shop with my family tree in it. If you think we connect I will pull out my paper files. Elaine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shirley Becker" <skncr@cox.net> To: <NYOTSEGO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 11:29 AM Subject: [NYOTSEGO] Newspaper > Would you be able to tell me which paper covered Unadilla in the early to > mid 1800's. My ggggrandfather Thomas Graves had a stage line operating > out of there. I might be able to find something on him. He is a brick > wall as far as parents and siblings go. > Shirley Becker > > WRIGHT GRAVES OWENS CANNON CLANCY PLUE(Plugh, Plough etc.) SWEET > > > ==== NYOTSEGO Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list in list mode send an email with the word, > unsubscribe,in the subject field & body of the message to the following > address: NYOtsego-l-request@rootsweb.com > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

Could you look in the Otsego County old newspapers and see if there is anything on a JOHN JORDAN or any SWARTHOUT, SWARTWOUT, SWARTOUT, SWARTWOOD. Sure would appreciate it. _RThoden@aol.com_ (mailto:RThoden@aol.com)

Again I remind you all that the 1825 NYS Census of Otsego Co. exists for the Town of Otsego ONLY. There are no EDSONS or SOUTHARDS in the Town of Otsego. There is one CHAMPLIN, as follows: Robert CHAMPLIN page 1 2 males total 3 females total 1 male subject to militia duty (age 18-45) ? males eligible to vote 1 married female under 45 1 unmarried female between 16 and 45 1 unmarried female under 16 1 female birth during preceding year All other columns blank. Susan M. Roe SueMHR@aol.com Seal Beach, CA A friend is one who comes in when the whole world has gone out. Anonymous

Hugh, I have been unable to prove that Jane Magee (b. a1805 in Decatur) is the daughter of John Magee and Rachel Walker due to entire families not being enumberated in the first half of that century. Is there any mention of Jane in the newspapers (possibly a birth or marriage announcement). Being from the other side of the country, I'm unfamiliar with what papers would cover the Decatur area. I appreciate any help. Thank you. Rita pvmeistrel@aol.com In a message dated 11/16/2005 7:01:06 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, NYOTSEGO-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: This may be old news, but the Early American Newspapers website, available (to me) through membership in the New York Genealogical and Biographical Society (NYGBS), seems to be rapidly expanding, and currently has the following Otsego County newspapers available, and both searchable and browsable, on line: Cherry Valley Gazette (1818-1820) Cooperstown Federalist (1809-1816) Freeman's Journal (1818-1820) Impartial Observer (1808-1809) Otsego Herald (1795-1821) Otsego Republican Press [Cherry Valley] (1812-1813) Watch-Tower (1814-1831) They seem to be adding new titles fairly rapidly, and it is certainly becoming a major resource for local history here in Otsego County. The search engine is also a good one. Hugh Hugh MacDougall Official Historian Village of Cooperstown 8 Lake Street Cooperstown, NY 13326 _coophist@stny.rr.com_ (mailto:coophist@stny.rr.com)

I would like to know which newspaper covered W. Exeter, Otsego, NY in the early 1800s. I would like information on my Washburn families, especially Jacob and Mary Ellen. Thanks. Doris Kukuk

Gloria, Do you connect with William and Flora Sutherland? Charles

Albert Sutherland is listed in the 1850 census as follows -- no previous NY listings. 1850 US Census, New York, Otsego County, Town of Edmeston, p. 87, 406-463 Albert Sutherland, white, male, age 27. Farmer. Real property $630. Born NY Jaina Sutherland, white, female, age 23. Born NY Charles H. Sutherland, white, male, age 2. Born NY John Sutherland, white, male, age 1 month. Born NY Mary Sutherland, white, female, age 68. Born NY Kendrick C. Madisen, white, male, age 17. Farmer. Born NY ================ It seems probable that Mary Sutherland is Albert's mother. ------------- This is presumably the Albert Sutherland, son of Jonas Sutherland and Mary Pierson/Pearson, whose genealogy are listed on rootsweb at: http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:3126096&id=I10634 Jonas Sutherland is listed in the 1840 Census as living in Edmeston -- no previous NY listings . ------------ Still not quite clear what you are specifically looking for. There was also an Albert Sutherland in the 1870s, living in either Oneonta or Edmeston, Otsego County. An 1872-3 business directory lists him as: "SUTHERLAND, ALBERT, (Edmeston) agent for Singer Sewing Machine, dairyman,, 10 cows and farmer" see: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyotsego/edmdir.htm The Oneonta Herald, on October 26, 1871, noted the marriage, on October 16, of Albert Sutherland of Oneonta and Miss Mahala Green of Franklin. See: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyotsego/oneontaherald7.html Hugh MacDougall, Cooperstown ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gloria Sutherland" <ghsutherland@adelphia.net> To: <NYOTSEGO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 6:41 AM Subject: [NYOTSEGO] Sutherland >I have a Albert Sutherland born 1823 in NY State. He married > Betsy Jane Rainey on 1Jan 1846 > they had a son Charles Henry Sutherland born 21 Jun 1847 in NY State. > I some information on Charles Henry. He is my husband great grandfather > > > ==== NYOTSEGO Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list in list mode send an email with the word, > unsubscribe,in the subject field & body of the message to the following > address: NYOtsego-l-request@rootsweb.com > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

Hello Hugh, Would you be able to do a lookup for me? If so, thank you. Here's the family I'm working on (below in the census). I found that Jesse, Lucinda and children left for Illinois sometime after 1853. But I'm having problems finding information on Elijah and Rebecca. There seems to be several Elijah Butts born in Connecticut close to the same time period, but not close enough to match this Elijah. According to his age on this census he was born about 1790. I also haven't been able to find anything on Rebecca in Illinois. Perhaps she died in NY? I know your not a miracle worker. I thought as much information I could give you would help. 1850 Census Pittsfield, Otsego Co., New york M432_580 Image 587 page 292 Line 20 289/291 Elijah Butts, 60/m 1500 b. connecticut Jesse 29/m 500 b. new york Lucinda 33/f b. new york Rebecca 8/f b. new york Demetrius 7/m b. new york Charles 1/m b. new york Thank you again, Debbie Phenis Arlington Washington ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cooperstown Historian" <coophist@stny.rr.com> To: <NYOTSEGO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 12:55 PM Subject: [NYOTSEGO] Otsego Newspapers on NYGBS Site > This may be old news, but the Early American Newspapers website, > available (to me) through membership in the New York Genealogical and > Biographical Society (NYGBS), seems to be rapidly expanding, and currently > has the following Otsego County newspapers available, and both searchable > and browsable, on line: > Cherry Valley Gazette (1818-1820) > Cooperstown Federalist (1809-1816) > Freeman's Journal (1818-1820) > Impartial Observer (1808-1809) > Otsego Herald (1795-1821) > Otsego Republican Press [Cherry Valley] (1812-1813) > Watch-Tower (1814-1831) > > They seem to be adding new titles fairly rapidly, and it is certainly > becoming a major resource for local history here in Otsego County. The > search engine is also a good one. > > Hugh > > Hugh MacDougall > Official Historian > Village of Cooperstown > 8 Lake Street > Cooperstown, NY 13326 > coophist@stny.rr.com > > > ==== NYOTSEGO Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list in digest mode send an email with > the word, unsubscribe,in the subject field & body of the message > to the following address: NYOtsego-d-request@rootsweb.com > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > >

Would you be able to tell me which paper covered Unadilla in the early to mid 1800's. My ggggrandfather Thomas Graves had a stage line operating out of there. I might be able to find something on him. He is a brick wall as far as parents and siblings go. Shirley Becker WRIGHT GRAVES OWENS CANNON CLANCY PLUE(Plugh, Plough etc.) SWEET

I have a Albert Sutherland born 1823 in NY State. He married Betsy Jane Rainey on 1Jan 1846 they had a son Charles Henry Sutherland born 21 Jun 1847 in NY State. I some information on Charles Henry. He is my husband great grandfather

Hi, Elizabeth Southard married 2nd Smith Sutherland, her son Wesley Southard was named in Smith's will of which I have a copy. Jane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cliff" <cliff.hayes@earthlink.net> To: <NYOTSEGO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 10:46 PM Subject: Re: [NYOTSEGO] NYOTSEGO-Sutherland > How about Southards and/or Champlins? > > Thanks for any help. > > Cliff Hayes (who grew up in Schenevus in the late 1930s and 1940s) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cooperstown Historian" <coophist@stny.rr.com> > To: <NYOTSEGO-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 9:29 PM > Subject: Re: [NYOTSEGO] NYOTSEGO-Sutherland > > >> There is no shortage of Sutherlands/Southerlands in Otsego County. >> Could you be more specific? >> >> Hugh MacDougall >> Official Historian >> Village of Cooperstown >> 8 Lake Street >> Cooperstown, NY 13326 >> coophist@stny.rr.com >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Gloria Sutherland" <ghsutherland@adelphia.net> >> To: <NYOTSEGO-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 9:40 PM >> Subject: [NYOTSEGO] NYOTSEGO-Sutherland >> >> >>> Hi All >>> If anyone comes across any Sutherland's in Otsego I would appreciate >>> hearing from you. >>> Thanks >>> Gloria >>> >>> >>> ==== NYOTSEGO Mailing List ==== >>> To unsubscribe from this list in digest mode send an email with >>> the word, unsubscribe,in the subject field & body of the message >>> to the following address: NYOtsego-d-request@rootsweb.com >>> >>> ============================== >>> Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. >>> Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: >>> http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx >>> >> >> >> ==== NYOTSEGO Mailing List ==== >> To unsubscribe from this list in digest mode send an email with >> the word, unsubscribe,in the subject field & body of the message to the >> following address: NYOtsego-d-request@rootsweb.com >> >> ============================== >> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >> >> > > > > ==== NYOTSEGO Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list in list mode send an email with the word, > unsubscribe,in the subject field & body of the message to the following > address: NYOtsego-l-request@rootsweb.com > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >