You have certainly bitten off a huge chunk!!! I xeroxed the pages for all of my family names from his set and it took me some 8 months just to enter the names and dates into my genealogy program. I can imagine - with such a huge work - it would take me years to type everything! More power to you. I'll be looking forward to the completion of your work for when it appears on the internet. Jan > Hi Jan, > > There is no problem retyping names, dates, etc. from any published work > into a database. The copyright issues would be involved if I were to scan > the work and put it online or otherwise redistribute it. > > Additionally the Jacobus work is only a part of my large database, not > an entity into itself and I source every entry as well. > > I've been typing since December and am only about 1/3 of the way > through. It is a very time consuming project. > > Thanks for writing though .... Margaret Scheffler > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jan Turner" <jaturner@harborside.com> > To: <NYOSWEGO-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 10:01 PM > Subject: Re: [NYOSWEGO] Genealogy Research > > > > Have you checked on the copyright on this? If my memory serves, he wrote > > this set in about 1937 and he and/or his heirs might object to your > > putting > > it out on the internet. > > > > Better safe than sorry! > > Jan > > > >> > >> In a message dated 5/2/2006 1:12:47 AM Central Standard Time, > >> mscheffl@twcny.rr.com writes: > >> > >> I am currently in the process of typing the entire 3 volumes of Donald > > Lines > >> Jacobus monumental 3 volume work "Families of Ancient New Haven" into my > >> database to share online. When complete with my additions, I hope to add > >> additionally correct lineages to the many incorrect ones currently posted > > online > >> at WorldConnect/Ancestry. > >> > >> > >> > >> Margaret, a thousand thanks for doing this immense project! > >> > >> ~ Dori (a descendant of ancient New Haven families) > >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~partsch/index.htm > >> > > > > > > > > ==== NYOSWEGO Mailing List ==== > > List Administrator Bonita Shafer > > Northern New York Genealogy - http://www.nnygenealogy.com > > sagemarie98@earthlink.net > > > > ============================== > > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > > New content added every business day. Learn more: > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > > > > > ==== NYOSWEGO Mailing List ==== > List Administrator Bonita Shafer > Northern New York Genealogy - http://www.nnygenealogy.com > sagemarie98@earthlink.net > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > >

Hi Jan, There is no problem retyping names, dates, etc. from any published work into a database. The copyright issues would be involved if I were to scan the work and put it online or otherwise redistribute it. Additionally the Jacobus work is only a part of my large database, not an entity into itself and I source every entry as well. I've been typing since December and am only about 1/3 of the way through. It is a very time consuming project. Thanks for writing though .... Margaret Scheffler ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Turner" <jaturner@harborside.com> To: <NYOSWEGO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 10:01 PM Subject: Re: [NYOSWEGO] Genealogy Research > Have you checked on the copyright on this? If my memory serves, he wrote > this set in about 1937 and he and/or his heirs might object to your > putting > it out on the internet. > > Better safe than sorry! > Jan > >> >> In a message dated 5/2/2006 1:12:47 AM Central Standard Time, >> mscheffl@twcny.rr.com writes: >> >> I am currently in the process of typing the entire 3 volumes of Donald > Lines >> Jacobus monumental 3 volume work "Families of Ancient New Haven" into my >> database to share online. When complete with my additions, I hope to add >> additionally correct lineages to the many incorrect ones currently posted > online >> at WorldConnect/Ancestry. >> >> >> >> Margaret, a thousand thanks for doing this immense project! >> >> ~ Dori (a descendant of ancient New Haven families) >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~partsch/index.htm >> > > > > ==== NYOSWEGO Mailing List ==== > List Administrator Bonita Shafer > Northern New York Genealogy - http://www.nnygenealogy.com > sagemarie98@earthlink.net > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >

Have you checked on the copyright on this? If my memory serves, he wrote this set in about 1937 and he and/or his heirs might object to your putting it out on the internet. Better safe than sorry! Jan > > In a message dated 5/2/2006 1:12:47 AM Central Standard Time, > mscheffl@twcny.rr.com writes: > > I am currently in the process of typing the entire 3 volumes of Donald Lines > Jacobus monumental 3 volume work "Families of Ancient New Haven" into my > database to share online. When complete with my additions, I hope to add > additionally correct lineages to the many incorrect ones currently posted online > at WorldConnect/Ancestry. > > > > Margaret, a thousand thanks for doing this immense project! > > ~ Dori (a descendant of ancient New Haven families) > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~partsch/index.htm >

Russ Glad you liked that site. Also, for $35,000. today I would suggest a "fast" move and don't really think you could get much in upstate NY anymore either. Pat

Wow - that is a trip to the past and a look to the future. In 1960 it asks for various housing value ranges where the top dollar amount is $35,000 plus. Hmmm, now what would I get in the metro DC area for that kind of money? Based on a quick look, I think the last time the whole nation got the same questionnare was 1950. If the current methods stay put (census released after 70 years), that one will become public in 2020. I think after that things will go downhill somewhat as sampling was used rather than the census bureau trying to 'touch' every household. Fortunately there are many other records to search - church, newspaper, cemetery, wills, land records, etc. that cover the 10 year gaps between the cenuses. Russ From: PNUTREG@cs.com To: russxsprague@hotmail.com, NYSTLAWR-L@rootsweb.com, NYJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com, NYOSWEGO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NYSTLAWR] Looking ahead in Genealogy Date: Sat, 6 May 2006 21:49:18 EDT Hi Russ We know the information is not public and for the life of me I cannot verify what I might of answered on my Census sheets in the past. I wish I had saved a copy or taken notes regarding the questions I was asked to compare with. But, I only did that the last time. However here is the website that I use for reference regarding information that will be on these Census when the time comes to release them and I believe it is as close as one can get to the accurate questions asked on each Census year. http://www.ipums.umn.edu/usa/voliii/tEnumForm.html Warm Regards Pat R.

Hi Russ We know the information is not public and for the life of me I cannot verify what I might of answered on my Census sheets in the past. I wish I had saved a copy or taken notes regarding the questions I was asked to compare with. But, I only did that the last time. However here is the website that I use for reference regarding information that will be on these Census when the time comes to release them and I believe it is as close as one can get to the accurate questions asked on each Census year. http://www.ipums.umn.edu/usa/voliii/tEnumForm.html Warm Regards Pat R.

I just uploaded several pdf images of marriage records from the Ogdensburg, NY Methodist church. From www.usgenweb.org, click 'New York' the select a county, St. Lawrence county. When you reach the county page use the drop down list 'select a link' and select 'church' then 'Church Records of St. Lawrence County'. A grand title to be sure since I have just a handful of churches but hey, I keep plugging away at it! If you search enough you may find a note by a really annoyed pastor who apparently unknowingly married a bigamist. These are particularly valuable records since the counties did not record marriages until 1880 with the exception of a brief earlier period (see Anne Cady's vital records section). Russ Sprague Kensington, Maryland

thanks for the additional input, that's what is so great about this Internet site. Guess what, I didn't know there was a New York State census - so again, thanks for that tidbit. cm

Carole That is true. However alternative sources have been used to put together other records that one might use in its place. First one might try the NYState Census for information. The Veterans Census is another one, Agricultural Census in some area's, Directories, Tax Lists, Military Records and others. Not as complete as one would want but still a great access for research. Alternative resources are a wonder. Pat R

Russ, according to Ancestry.com - there was a fire January 10, 1921 and destroyed much of the 1890 Federal Census. very limited information was saved. carole

I did not know about the cost to the library.My library is part of a library system which includes 8 or 10 libraries in rural and suburban locations.I assume they share the cost. Doug Groner

By free,I mean my library charges me nothing to use their computer or to access Ancestry or Heritage Quest.If I print anything they charge me .20 cents If i go to the LDS family history center they charge nothing to use their computer or access Ancestry but they do charge .20 cents for copies from the printer. Other charges at LDS are around $5 or $6 (they just increased) to send for & rent microfilms they have stored in Salt Lake City.If acopy is made from this microfilm they charge .35 cents.They do not charge for their classes. Doug Groner

Now there's an odd thought because we are constantly looking backward. I'm just plain curious. Does anyone know how many censuses to be released in the future will list complete families for the entire U.S? Beginning with 1850 and through 1930 we have that. The first census I fillled out as a married adult was in 1980. It was a 'short form' and I don't recall it being worth copying and saving for family history purposes. At some point the census does not include the entire U.S. population but I don't recall ever hearing which year that happened. Russ Sprague Kensington, Maryland

It's free to you, but it's not free to the library. There was a big debate at my local library about whether they could afford to continue the subscriptions. Fortunately, they decided to do it. Judy in Ocala -----Original Message----- From: Groner2413@aol.com [mailto:Groner2413@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 8:11 AM To: NYOSWEGO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NYOSWEGO] Genealogy Research I forgot to mention that I recently discovered that my local library has library versions of Ancestry.com and Heritage Quest,which are free to use any time the library is open.If your library does not have these I suggest you prod them to obtain it.It is free to them Doug Groner ==== NYOSWEGO Mailing List ==== List Administrator Bonita Shafer Northern New York Genealogy - http://www.nnygenealogy.com sagemarie98@earthlink.net ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx

I took a chance and checked my library's website and lo and behold I found out that I'm able to access Heritage Quest from home. I would have never have thought it was possible. Thank you very much for the suggestion. This will save me a lot of time and money now. Janet

My local library has heritagequest.com free to people with active library cards. It is an online source that I can access from home. Just wondered if it works the same at your library. If you don't have a hi speed connection and the library does then you may want to access it from the library. In my case, I can view census images from home. Russ Sprague Kensington, Maryland From: Groner2413@aol.com Reply-To: NYOSWEGO-L@rootsweb.com To: NYOSWEGO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NYOSWEGO] Genealogy Research Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 08:10:53 EDT I forgot to mention that I recently discovered that my local library has library versions of Ancestry.com and Heritage Quest,which are free to use any time the library is open.If your library does not have these I suggest you prod them to obtain it.It is free to them Doug Groner ==== NYOSWEGO Mailing List ==== List Administrator Bonita Shafer Northern New York Genealogy - http://www.nnygenealogy.com sagemarie98@earthlink.net ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx

I would suggest that someone check periodically with their individual library or their larger county wide system. It appears from what has been posted online in the past 6 months or so that many more libraries now offer Heritage Quest. That very thing had happened with me. The first time I asked locally it was no, and then a few months later I found out by accident that we did have free home access. Margaret Scheffler ----- Original Message ----- From: <DorPartsch@aol.com> To: <NYOSWEGO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [NYOSWEGO] Ancestry.com or HeritageQuest free via local libraries >A year or so ago, when I asked the genealogical librarian at our county > library whether they had subscriptions to either of these programs, he > said they > did not because of the cost, which to a library was far above the cost of > an > individual home subscription. This is rural Indiana...

A year or so ago, when I asked the genealogical librarian at our county library whether they had subscriptions to either of these programs, he said they did not because of the cost, which to a library was far above the cost of an individual home subscription. This is rural Indiana...

Doug, What do you mean free? Sherry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russell Sprague" <russxsprague@hotmail.com> To: <NYOSWEGO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 8:49 AM Subject: [NYOSWEGO] Ancestry.com or HeritageQuest free via local libraries > My local library has heritagequest.com free to people with active library > cards. It is an online source that I can access from home. Just wondered > if it works the same at your library. If you don't have a hi speed > connection and the library does then you may want to access it from the > library. In my case, I can view census images from home. > > Russ Sprague > Kensington, Maryland > > > From: Groner2413@aol.com > Reply-To: NYOSWEGO-L@rootsweb.com > To: NYOSWEGO-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NYOSWEGO] Genealogy Research > Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 08:10:53 EDT > > I forgot to mention that I recently discovered that my local library has > library versions of Ancestry.com and Heritage Quest,which are free to use > any > time the library is open.If your library does not have these I suggest you > prod > them to obtain it.It is free to them > Doug Groner > > > ==== NYOSWEGO Mailing List ==== > List Administrator Bonita Shafer > Northern New York Genealogy - http://www.nnygenealogy.com > sagemarie98@earthlink.net > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > > > ==== NYOSWEGO Mailing List ==== > List Administrator Bonita Shafer > Northern New York Genealogy - http://www.nnygenealogy.com > sagemarie98@earthlink.net > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

Try a search here for the grave information: http://gravelocator.cem.va.gov/j2ee/servlet/NGL_v1 And here's the link to the NARA page on military records: http://www.archives.gov/veterans/ Kathi IBSSG New York - Thompson/Crane/Bramm/Fleischer Jew Jersey - Thompson/Early/Coyle/Hunter Wisconsin - Meissner/Steng/Diem/Zeininger -----Original Message----- From: Rafky, David M. <DRafky@dadeschools.net> To: NYOSWEGO-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, 4 May 2006 08:17:48 -0400 Subject: [NYOSWEGO] Q&A I have a distant relative buried in a military cemetery in NY State (on Long Island). 1-Is there a way I can get the info on the headstone? 2-I know people can obtain military records of a deceased relative. Does anyone know the web site? Please send reply to me at: drafky@dadeschools.net Thanks to all. Dave R.... (Dr.) David Rafky Senior Grant Writer Miami-Dade County Public Schools Grant Development Unit 1500 Biscayne Boulevard #239 Miami, FL 33132 ph: 305-995-2696 fx: 305-995-1514 drafky@dadeschools.net -----Original Message----- From: NYOSWEGO-D-request@rootsweb.com [mailto:NYOSWEGO-D-request@rootsweb.com] Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 8:02 AM To: NYOSWEGO-D@rootsweb.com Subject: NYOSWEGO-D Digest V06 #49 ==== NYOSWEGO Mailing List ==== List Administrator Bonita Shafer Northern New York Genealogy - http://www.nnygenealogy.com sagemarie98@earthlink.net ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx