David Reales was born 12 May 1853 in Wolcott, Wayne county, NY (from death cert.) I can not locate him prior to his second marriage 16 March 1890 to Caroline "Carrie" Pettine/Pepper/Peppin. They had three children: Millie born June 1890 in Hastings, Oswego county, NY. Married Clinton Baum, buried Pine Grove. Flora born 1 January 1895 in Hastings, Married Fred Grant, both buried Pine Grove at Mallory. Leamon Merritt born 7 March 1900 in Hastings, Married Fannie. There is a David in 1880 that might be him: 1880 census for Liverpool, Onondaga county, New York; pg 230, line 15, dwelling #167, family #179: REALS, David - 35 yr old white male; widower; works in sawmill; all born NY TRENDOR, Maria - mother; 74 yr old white female; widow; keeping house. But I could not find him on any other census until 1900 in Hastings. Death Certificate for David H. Reals (have photocopy) David H. Reals born 12 May 1853 in Wolcott, NY [Wayne county] to John Reals -birthplace unknown and Maria Carter of Connecticut. David was 72 yrs 0 mos and 1 day old; white, male, married, laborer, at Oswego County home for last 5 yrs., residence Pennelville, NY.Died 13 May 1925. informant C. A. Stone of Mexico, NY. Cause of death: Pyrlitis?? and enlarged prostate and cystitis. Burial 16 May 1925 at Mallory, NY. Does anyone have any clues on this family? Will gladly share information. Joyce Grant Fesler in San Antonio, TX

Enos fam is in Baldwinsville ... wonder if my Wilson's from Oswego are connected? Can't do anything abt it 'now' my cpu is messed up. I knew Elizabeth Otis. As my high sch counselor, she almost messed up my life by believing 'just because' I was disabled I'd be for ever uneducable and un- employable. Thankfully I had more faith in my self to reach ... Lauren Rowe --Orig From: David and Janet [mailto:djrpublic@cfl.rr.com] Sun May 21, 2006 1:12 PM To: NYOSWEGO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Margaret Otis - yet again OK, I've located and printed all the census information - I've found a couple of George Wilson's (her husband) obituaries. Again, I want to thank all you kind folks for the information you've shared. George Wilson's obituary says that she was Mrs Margaret Enos (right birth date and place) when he married her. In other references the Otis name is used and not Enos. I'm not finding anything yet on her first marriage, her first husband's name or the death of her first husband. * Anyone have further information regarding the Enos connection? * She should be listed (age 24) in the 1870 US Census with her husband or as a widow (but maybe near Newark, Wayne Cy not in Oswego) if someone would be kind enough to give that a look. I can easily pull up an Oswego map from Google Maps - could someone tell me roughly where the first ward and third wards are? This is simple curiosity - next trip north I may have time to tour around. ______________________________

It sure did help, Russ. I've sent you some family info to your e-mail addy. > > Subject: > Re: NYOSWEGO-D Digest V06 #63 - Margaret Otis > From: > RBGOLFCLUB@aol.com > Date: > Tue, 23 May 2006 18:23:10 EDT > To: > NYOSWEGO-L@rootsweb.com > > To: > NYOSWEGO-L@rootsweb.com > > > Margaret was married to Charles Madison 19 January 1864 in Granby, Oswego, > NY. > William R. Madison was born 19 April 1865 in Oswego, his father Charles E. > Madison died 20 August 1864 in Libby Prison, Richmond, Henrico, VA. Margaret > then married Thomas Eno 9 January 1872, he died 4 June 1873. Last, I have that > she married George W. Wilson 17 October 1873. > Do you have birth and death info for Margaret and George? Hope the info > helped - Russ >

Hey guys, just when you thought you might have it all worked out, let's throw in that there is an Albion in Orleans County and an Albion in Oswego County. Those are only two that I know of, it sure makes jotting down County names very important. Vera Mae

Margaret was married to Charles Madison 19 January 1864 in Granby, Oswego, NY. William R. Madison was born 19 April 1865 in Oswego, his father Charles E. Madison died 20 August 1864 in Libby Prison, Richmond, Henrico, VA. Margaret then married Thomas Eno 9 January 1872, he died 4 June 1873. Last, I have that she married George W. Wilson 17 October 1873. Do you have birth and death info for Margaret and George? Hope the info helped - Russ

The Url is _http://www.rays-place.com_ (http://www.rays-place.com) Doug groner

A town is a poliitical subdivision of a county in New York state.It does somtimes have the same name as a village or city or county,which causes confusion.ie there is a village named Hastings,in the Town of Hastings in Oswego County,NY. In other states the political subdivision of a county is a Beat or district as in Beat no 1 or District no 2.There are histories written about 1895 for each of these towns.I think the url is RayRaysPlace.com Doug Groner

New York has many instances of towns/cities (or village) with the same name. Typically the city or village has a more dense population, a core 'downtown' of businesses, central water/sewer, school system, trash pickup etc. The surrounding town is typically more rural with farmland, forest, houses on septic systems etc. Each has different needs from local govt, different taxes (lower in the town than in the village/city). They may share some services (plowing the roads, schools) while other services may be separate. Gives you one more place to lose track of ancestors! Have not heard of this reverend. You could try rootsweb 'family trees'. Maybe someone else has posted info there. It's an unusual first name which typically helps. Russ Sprague Kensington, Maryland From: Buch419@aol.com Reply-To: NYOSWEGO-L@rootsweb.com To: NYOSWEGO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [NYOSWEGO] Rev. While Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 16:36:38 EDT I actually have two questions. Has anyone heard of a Rev. Ehler While (White?) in the 1850s in the City of Oswego? And what is the difference between the "Town of Oswego" and the "City of Oswego". Thank you. Janet ==== NYOSWEGO Mailing List ==== List Administrator Bonita Shafer Northern New York Genealogy - http://www.nnygenealogy.com sagemarie98@earthlink.net ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

From: David and Janet <djrpublic@cfl.rr.com> Reply-To: NYOSWEGO-L@rootsweb.com To: NYOSWEGO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [NYOSWEGO] Re: NYOSWEGO-D Digest V06 #62 Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 16:06:51 -0400 Bang on Russ! That is correct. Ella was my Grandmother and I remember all the rest of them. You left out Lulu. You're thinking of William Madison that shows up as a son in the 1880 US Census? We had thought that he was George's son from another marriage and yet another loose end to tie up. >Subject: >Re: NYOSWEGO-D Digest V06 #61 >From: >RBGOLFCLUB@aol.com >Date: >Sun, 21 May 2006 23:13:32 EDT >To: >NYOSWEGO-L@rootsweb.com > >To: >NYOSWEGO-L@rootsweb.com > > >David and Janet - I think you need to check one more marriage for Margaret >Otis, she was married three times, if and I do believe this is the same >person. Were her children with Wilson - Fanny, John, Charles and Ella? If >this is a connection let me know. Russ > >______________________________ > ==== NYOSWEGO Mailing List ==== List Administrator Bonita Shafer Northern New York Genealogy - http://www.nnygenealogy.com sagemarie98@earthlink.net ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

Thank you, Russ for the good explanation of the difference between town and city. Pretty much what I assumed, but don't see that much in the midwest. Janet

In a message dated 5/22/2006 4:37:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, Buch419@aol.com writes: And what is the difference between the "Town of Oswego" and the "City of Oswego". A call the library or town clerk to inquire???

I actually have two questions. Has anyone heard of a Rev. Ehler While (White?) in the 1850s in the City of Oswego? And what is the difference between the "Town of Oswego" and the "City of Oswego". Thank you. Janet

Bang on Russ! That is correct. Ella was my Grandmother and I remember all the rest of them. You left out Lulu. You're thinking of William Madison that shows up as a son in the 1880 US Census? We had thought that he was George's son from another marriage and yet another loose end to tie up. > Subject: > Re: NYOSWEGO-D Digest V06 #61 > From: > RBGOLFCLUB@aol.com > Date: > Sun, 21 May 2006 23:13:32 EDT > To: > NYOSWEGO-L@rootsweb.com > > To: > NYOSWEGO-L@rootsweb.com > > > David and Janet - I think you need to check one more marriage for Margaret > Otis, she was married three times, if and I do believe this is the same person. > Were her children with Wilson - Fanny, John, Charles and Ella? If this is a > connection let me know. Russ > > ______________________________ >

Liz, I believe that this may have been a second marriage for both of them. He did not remarry after she died. Pretty sure we're not shaking the same tree. We've both found out how popular George Wilson was, haven't we?? ;-) I have even found a second George Wellington Wilson living in central NY! > Subject: > Re: [NYOSWEGO] Margaret Otis - yet again > From: > "Liz Parmalee" <lizparmalee@comcast.net> > Date: > Sun, 21 May 2006 15:16:52 -0400 > To: > NYOSWEGO-L@rootsweb.com > > To: > NYOSWEGO-L@rootsweb.com > > > Do you know if Margaret was his second or third wife? I have a George > Wilson in my tree. He was her second husband and she was his second > wife and I know that he remarried after she died. Her name was Esther > Curtis Crowell. > Happy Hunting! > Liz Parmalee = = = = = = == = = = = = == = = = = = == = = = = = == = = = = = = Thanks to Jenny and Marilyn for the ward location information. Dave Rowell

Just correcting the subject line to match the message. From: RBGOLFCLUB@aol.com Reply-To: NYOSWEGO-L@rootsweb.com To: NYOSWEGO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [NYOSWEGO] Re: NYOSWEGO-D Digest V06 #61 Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 23:13:32 EDT David and Janet - I think you need to check one more marriage for Margaret Otis, she was married three times, if and I do believe this is the same person. Were her children with Wilson - Fanny, John, Charles and Ella? If this is a connection let me know. Russ ==== NYOSWEGO Mailing List ==== List Administrator Bonita Shafer Northern New York Genealogy - http://www.nnygenealogy.com sagemarie98@earthlink.net ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

David and Janet - I think you need to check one more marriage for Margaret Otis, she was married three times, if and I do believe this is the same person. Were her children with Wilson - Fanny, John, Charles and Ella? If this is a connection let me know. Russ

Odd number wards are on the west, with even on the east side of the river. Don't forget to take into account ward changes according to population...Marilyn Rowsey Dirk ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jenny Inskeep" <jenny.inskeep@cox.net> To: <NYOSWEGO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 4:12 PM Subject: [NYOSWEGO] 1st and 3rd Wards > 1st and 3rd Wards are both on the west side of the river. 1st starts at > Lake Ontario and the river. I don't know where it changes to 3rd Ward, > but they are side by side. Jenny > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David and Janet" <djrpublic@cfl.rr.com> > To: <NYOSWEGO-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 1:11 PM > Subject: [NYOSWEGO] Margaret Otis - yet again > > >> OK, I've located and printed all the census information - I've found a >> couple of George Wilson's (her husband) obituaries. Again, I want to >> thank all you kind folks for the information you've shared. >> >> George Wilson's obituary says that she was Mrs Margaret Enos (right birth >> date and place) when he married her. In other references the Otis name >> is used and not Enos. I'm not finding anything yet on her first >> marriage, her first husband's name or the death of her first husband. >> * Anyone have further information regarding the Enos connection? >> * She should be listed (age 24) in the 1870 US Census with her husband >> or as a widow (but maybe near Newark, Wayne Cy not in Oswego) if someone >> would be kind enough to give that a look. >> >> >> I can easily pull up an Oswego map from Google Maps - could someone tell >> me roughly where the first ward and third wards are? This is simple >> curiosity - next trip north I may have time to tour around. >> >> >> ==== NYOSWEGO Mailing List ==== >> List Administrator Bonita Shafer >> Northern New York Genealogy - http://www.nnygenealogy.com >> sagemarie98@earthlink.net >> >> ============================== >> Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >> areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >> Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >> > > > ==== NYOSWEGO Mailing List ==== > List Administrator Bonita Shafer > Northern New York Genealogy - http://www.nnygenealogy.com > sagemarie98@earthlink.net > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 >

I am hoping someone can help me with my brick wall...or at least point me to a crack in it! Lucius "Luke" FRANCE married Mary ARDEN 5 Aug 1876 in Oswego. He was a fireman on the Lake Ontario Rail road and died in a train accident in 1883 in Carlyon, Orleans County New York. He is listed in burial records for Rural Cemetery and also a niece of his wife's was buried in the same plot later on in 1902. However, the cemetery can not locate the actual plot at all. Meanwhile he is also listed in St. Peter's cemetery, although that cemetery has no information other than there is a headstone with several names on it and the other family members are definately buried there. They can not say for sure he is there and I have no information either on where the niece may be. I am wondering if there would be a record of some sort if the bodies were moved, and if so where do I look for that record. In Rural Cemetery where the plot is supposed to be, it looks like the land may have slid or something, so maybe they had to be moved. Also, I am looking for any further info on Lucius FRANCE as this is pretty much all I know about him. Any help anyone can offer would be very appreciated! Tammy Kocienski --------------------------------- Love cheap thrills? Enjoy PC-to-Phone calls to 30+ countries for just 2¢/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice.

1st and 3rd Wards are both on the west side of the river. 1st starts at Lake Ontario and the river. I don't know where it changes to 3rd Ward, but they are side by side. Jenny ----- Original Message ----- From: "David and Janet" <djrpublic@cfl.rr.com> To: <NYOSWEGO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 1:11 PM Subject: [NYOSWEGO] Margaret Otis - yet again > OK, I've located and printed all the census information - I've found a > couple of George Wilson's (her husband) obituaries. Again, I want to > thank all you kind folks for the information you've shared. > > George Wilson's obituary says that she was Mrs Margaret Enos (right birth > date and place) when he married her. In other references the Otis name is > used and not Enos. I'm not finding anything yet on her first marriage, > her first husband's name or the death of her first husband. > * Anyone have further information regarding the Enos connection? > * She should be listed (age 24) in the 1870 US Census with her husband or > as a widow (but maybe near Newark, Wayne Cy not in Oswego) if someone > would be kind enough to give that a look. > > > I can easily pull up an Oswego map from Google Maps - could someone tell > me roughly where the first ward and third wards are? This is simple > curiosity - next trip north I may have time to tour around. > > > ==== NYOSWEGO Mailing List ==== > List Administrator Bonita Shafer > Northern New York Genealogy - http://www.nnygenealogy.com > sagemarie98@earthlink.net > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

Do you know if Margaret was his second or third wife? I have a George Wilson in my tree. He was her second husband and she was his second wife and I know that he remarried after she died. Her name was Esther Curtis Crowell. Happy Hunting! Liz Parmalee ----- Original Message ----- From: "David and Janet" <djrpublic@cfl.rr.com> To: <NYOSWEGO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 1:11 PM Subject: [NYOSWEGO] Margaret Otis - yet again > OK, I've located and printed all the census information - I've found a > couple of George Wilson's (her husband) obituaries. Again, I want to > thank all you kind folks for the information you've shared. > > George Wilson's obituary says that she was Mrs Margaret Enos (right birth > date and place) when he married her. In other references the Otis name is > used and not Enos. I'm not finding anything yet on her first marriage, > her first husband's name or the death of her first husband. > * Anyone have further information regarding the Enos connection? > * She should be listed (age 24) in the 1870 US Census with her husband or > as a widow (but maybe near Newark, Wayne Cy not in Oswego) if someone > would be kind enough to give that a look. > > > I can easily pull up an Oswego map from Google Maps - could someone tell > me roughly where the first ward and third wards are? This is simple > curiosity - next trip north I may have time to tour around. > > > ==== NYOSWEGO Mailing List ==== > List Administrator Bonita Shafer > Northern New York Genealogy - http://www.nnygenealogy.com > sagemarie98@earthlink.net > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >