Hi All, Just wanted to invite you to visit my website at www.obrienfamilyhistory.net. My 3rd GGF immigrated to Oswego in 1849 from Limerick, Ireland and lived in Oswego City until his death in 1909. He was also an Alderman for the First Ward between 1879-1884. Would appreciate a wide distribution of my web address - especially to all the O'Brien's living in Oswego City and Fulton City. Many Thanks, Anthony

Hi All, Just wanted to invite you to visit my newly posted website at www.obrienfamilyhistory.net My 3rd GGF came over from Ireland in 1849 and settled in the town of Oswego and lived there until he died in 1909. He was Alderman of the First Ward from 1879 up to and including 1884. Please pass along my website to whom you choose. If would be great if I could make more of my connections that I'm currently researching. Please direct all responses to admin@obrienfamilyhistory.net. Thanks!! Regards, Anthony --------------------------------- Share your photos with the people who matter at Yahoo! Canada Photos

I am looking for Marshall Haskins and his family in the Fairdale (Hannibal) area. Marshall married Eliza Dunton. I found the Dunton family in Hannibal area but can not come up with Marshall and Eliza after they married. They had a son Wilbur Fred Haskins born August 14, 1870 in Fairdale, NY. He married Lena Gertrude Williams of Volney. They had four daughters. Wilbur died November 12, 1950. He was a grocery store owner in Fulton. Also worked as a mail carrier. I am the great granddaughter of Fred and would like to find information on Marshall Haskins and Eliza. I think they might have moved to Iowa sometime around 1880 but I am not sure. I find on the 1860 census Eliza Dunton a teacher and living with her parents Thomas and Catherine Dunton in Hannibal Center. Thank you for any help you can give me. Judy

I found in Oswego County Sandy Creek, New York the following: Sandy Creek Cemetery - Trumbell, Franklin, 1862 - 1889 Trumbell, Hiram, 1827 - 1902 Mary Campbell wife 1831 - 1866 Trumbell, Nellie d. December 24, 1867. Age 16-6-21 Trumbell, Herbert C., 1866 - 1929 Clara A. Barker wife 1872 - 1914 Trumbell, Phineus L. son Smith & Cynthia d. February 25, 1853. Age 21-2-17 This I found in cemetery records from Sandy Creek Cemetery... Seirra

Dianne- We know that our family were early German residents of North Salina St,Syracuse. Perhaps some of them are buried in that little cemetery. They were Gilcher/Loos and Disque and associated families. There is a website for them in Syracuse. Also, and I guess from what I have heard, it is an "of course" that down in the County border area between Tompkins and Seneca where things switched back and forth so much that even the people who lived there were confused, That we can't find our key ancestors who were James Carley d 1817 at a family picnic and Jared Treman, younger brother of Abner, died 1811-1818, probably at Willow Creek, and other Carleys. Bob Lefler( researching Stilwell/Ferris/Brokaw-Updyke/Lounsberry/Pardee/Gould/Lefler/Blew/Covert/Swick/Bird-(all between Seneca and Cayuga)---- Original Message ----- From: "D Thomas" <dizlynn1@earthlink.net> To: <MILENAWE-L@rootsweb.com>; <GEN-NYS-L@rootsweb.com>; <NYONONDA-L@rootsweb.com>; <NYFingerLakes-L@rootsweb.com>; <NYSARATO-L@rootsweb.com>; <NYSENECA-L@rootsweb.com>; <NYOSWEGO-L@rootsweb.com>; <NYWAYNE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 1:52 PM Subject: [NYFINGERLAKES] cemeteries removed or made over >A friend sent me the information below, after having had a discussion of >how cemeteries are and have been, covered over by newer buildings, or made >into parks and the grave stones removed, but not necessarily the bodies. >I thought it would be interesting to share that the US is not the only >place that does this and perhaps if anyone knows of cemeteries that once >existed in a specific area, and is now covered by, a park, apartments, or a >business, that it would be good information to share with others on a list. > I know of one small cemetery on North Salina St., in Syracuse, NY, that is > a small park, with businesses behind it, that all the stones had been > removed and has been a park for years. I do not know the original name > of that cemetery, or if and when the bodies were removed. I was told, > there were still a few flat markers there. > > I was wondering if others would share information on this subject of other > known cemeteries that once existed and what happened to those buried > there, and what happened with the headstones, as well? > Dianne > > > ENGLAND - > Came across a site yesterday about a church in Gillingham, Kent, and on it > were several pictures of the graveyard of the old parish church, which has > been turned into a sort of park, etc. And the etcetera includes a row of > pensioners' housing, no less. > > So I'm now wondering whether they are going to build on the now completely > empty acres of the Barming Hospital graveyard - they've already turned the > old hospital into flats and built houses on its grounds.... > > Anyway, thought of you and that maybe you would like to see what's > happening to our historic graveyards here. If so, url is > http://www.rossfamily.plus.com/historicmedway/index.htm Look for > Gillingham, then St Mary Magdalene ... > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYFINGERLAKES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

A friend sent me the information below, after having had a discussion of how cemeteries are and have been, covered over by newer buildings, or made into parks and the grave stones removed, but not necessarily the bodies. I thought it would be interesting to share that the US is not the only place that does this and perhaps if anyone knows of cemeteries that once existed in a specific area, and is now covered by, a park, apartments, or a business, that it would be good information to share with others on a list. I know of one small cemetery on North Salina St., in Syracuse, NY, that is a small park, with businesses behind it, that all the stones had been removed and has been a park for years. I do not know the original name of that cemetery, or if and when the bodies were removed. I was told, there were still a few flat markers there. I was wondering if others would share information on this subject of other known cemeteries that once existed and what happened to those buried there, and what happened with the headstones, as well? Dianne ENGLAND - Came across a site yesterday about a church in Gillingham, Kent, and on it were several pictures of the graveyard of the old parish church, which has been turned into a sort of park, etc. And the etcetera includes a row of pensioners' housing, no less. So I'm now wondering whether they are going to build on the now completely empty acres of the Barming Hospital graveyard - they've already turned the old hospital into flats and built houses on its grounds.... Anyway, thought of you and that maybe you would like to see what's happening to our historic graveyards here. If so, url is http://www.rossfamily.plus.com/historicmedway/index.htm Look for Gillingham, then St Mary Magdalene ...

In a message dated 9/9/2006 8:54:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, researcher@digginbones.com writes: Melvin Levi 1823 Melvin L. Trumbull 36, his wife Cornelia R. 36, son Henry L. 12, and Azelia A. 10 lived next door to my gr. aunt and her family in 1860 (Wm & Cynthia Bishop), Sandy Creek, Oswego, NY. Azelia was a witness to my gr. aunt's son's (Asa M. Bishop) marriage in 1867. She was 2 years younger than the bride (Emma Twitchell) and groom but they must have been close to use her as a witness. The other witness was brother of the bride. Sheila, NY

Hi all. Anyone familiar with the TRUMBULL family that was in Oswego Co.? I am particularly interested in learning more about the family of Smith TRUMBULL, born 1800, and his wife, Cynthia. I have the very old family bible of this family. Children of Smith and Cynthia were..... Melvin Levi 1823 Emily Sylvina 1825 Hiram Newel 1827 Rosette Mariah 1829 Phineas Lilley 1831 Marquis Layfayette 1833 Millan 1835 Mary Dyantha 1837 Julia Amerette 1841 Actually, it appears that this bible belonged to one of the children of Smith and Cynthia. It was published in 1847. Rex Bertram 132 S. Butler St. Redkey, IN 47373 Will research your ancestor at the world's second largest genealogy. You give donation, only if I succeed. HYPERLINK "http://www.digginbones.com/NoRiskProResearch.htm"www.digginbones.com/NoRisk ProResearch.htm -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 267.0.0/440 - Release Date: 9/6/2006

I apologize for the cross posting, however this is a very important issue for genealogists. The following message was distributed to those attending last week's Federation of Genealogical Societies conference in Boston. The federal budget for next year reduced NARA's funding by $22 million. This budget cut is forcing NARA to consider reducing their hours. The proposed hours are 9 AM to 5 PM Monday through Friday, which eliminates all evening and weekend hours. This change affects genealogical and historical researchers, especially those who cannot visit the Archives during normal business hours. If you are not interested in signing the petition, please consider writing to your Congressman and the Senators. You can contact Congressmen at http://www.house.gov/writerep/ and find contact information for Senators at http://www.senate.gov. *** Dear Conference Attendee: We were honored to have Dr. Allen Weinstein, Archivist of the United States attend the FGS/NEHGS 2006 Conference in Boston and to address us in the Opening Session on Thursday, August 31, 2006. Following his remarks, he was presented with a letter by the Chair of the Records Preservation and Access Committee (RPAC) addressing concerns about the proposed changes in the hours of operation for the Research Rooms at the National Archives. It has come to our attention that very few of our constituencies are making their voices heard on this issue. This lack of response sends a loud signal to the Archives that this is not a serious issue and that closing the Archives on evenings and Saturdays is irrelevant. The RPAC has recommended the following suggestions for the Archives to consider: 1) To accommodate the needs of those who need access on Saturdays, we propose that you close one other day per week. This would be at your discretion. Other archives often close Sunday and Monday. 2) Users who need evening hour access could be accommodated by opening the archives later in the day, again at your discretion. If you agree with the recommendations stated above, we are asking your support by immediately going on-line and adding your "signature" to our petition to substitute the hours of access and still help the archives to meet their need to consolidate their hours of operation. Before 8 September 2006, please go to: http://www.PetitionOnline.com/FGS2006/petition.html (Case sensitive) If you would like to send your own personal letter, send it prior to 8 September 2006 and address it to: Regulations Comments Desk (NPOL) Room 4100, Policy and Planning Staff National Archives and Records Administration 8601 Adelphi Road College Park, MD 20740-6001

Greetings All! For the purpose of conversation, I wonder how much material has been donated in the form of family trees, etc. that hasn't been distributed on the discs you buy with FTM? Rhetorical question! David with Cleveland and North Bay roots! ----- Original Message ----- From: "rolaruen" <rolauren@verizon.net> To: <NYOSWEGO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 10:58 AM Subject: RE: [NYOSWEGO] Perspective on selling and sharing > No I didn't. the "or what" is that links appearing to be from the Rootsweb > page you are on, may be a link that takes you to ancestry.com and the > gotcha > is that in order to view what you thought you were going to see for free > is > not free unless you become a member of Ancestry.com. Additionally > Ancestry.com has free data but you have to tell them your credit card info > first, wonder why. I know the answer... you learn of the trickery after > you > become a first time payer... > > -----Original Message----- > From: DorPartsch@aol.com [mailto:DorPartsch@aol.com] > Sent: August 11, 2006 1:25 PM > To: NYOSWEGO-L@rootsweb.com Re: Perspective on selling and sharing > > Lauren, > Just curious - did you submit your database to RootsWeb? If so it will, > I > think, automatically also be accessible at Ancestry.com. I, for one, am > glad > that RootsWeb was able to continue in existence and free due to > sponsorship > or support (or what?) by Ancestry.com. > ~ Dori > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~partsch/index.htm > > ______________________________ > > > ==== NYOSWEGO Mailing List ==== > List Administrator Bonita Shafer > Northern New York Genealogy - http://www.nnygenealogy.com > sagemarie98@earthlink.net > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 >

No I didn't. the "or what" is that links appearing to be from the Rootsweb page you are on, may be a link that takes you to ancestry.com and the gotcha is that in order to view what you thought you were going to see for free is not free unless you become a member of Ancestry.com. Additionally Ancestry.com has free data but you have to tell them your credit card info first, wonder why. I know the answer... you learn of the trickery after you become a first time payer... -----Original Message----- From: DorPartsch@aol.com [mailto:DorPartsch@aol.com] Sent: August 11, 2006 1:25 PM To: NYOSWEGO-L@rootsweb.com Re: Perspective on selling and sharing Lauren, Just curious - did you submit your database to RootsWeb? If so it will, I think, automatically also be accessible at Ancestry.com. I, for one, am glad that RootsWeb was able to continue in existence and free due to sponsorship or support (or what?) by Ancestry.com. ~ Dori http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~partsch/index.htm ______________________________

I haven't sent anything in so many years. I can't recall the exact date. I think it was abt 1999. Yet the other day I saw my file by 'accident'. I was on Rootsweb and thought the link I used was a Rootsweb link but unbeknownst to me, it took me to ancestry.com where I saw new stuff in my file. I think cookies are used to access computers to access and take what they want... -----Original Message----- From: Jessie Davis [mailto:jessied@snowcrest.net] Sent: August 11, 2006 1:34 PM To: NYOSWEGO-L@rootsweb.com Re: Perspective on selling and sharing I suspect that the theft of info refers to Ancestry.com stealing info and then charging others before they can see the info. Many people who are beginners sign up for their "subscriptions" (which in themselves are totally aggravating since you get knocked off your page, sent where you don't want to be etc and even when you are on rootsweb you get sent to Ancestry's subscription site to sign up. I have experienced this at FHC and heard many complaints) not knowing that this is info stolen from web sites that were free. This is a totally disreputable company in my opinion. I have been researching for 35 years and have completed many of my lines through public records and in genealogy libraries. Now it is strictly a money making proposition sold to newbies and it is sad. I don't think anyone is stupid enough to think that they can make money selling their family genealogy. I think it is disingenuous to suggest that anyone believes that. Jess At 01:05 PM 8/10/2006, you wrote: > The belief by many that individuals make money selling their > family genealogy is really a myth. This is SUCH an expensive hobby > in terms of time and money. Even if one were to sell a family > history book after years of research, they likely would have spent > way more than they could sell a book for. Compiling a well > researched family genealogy is a labor of love, never a money > making proposition > > I can't conceive of anyone making money selling their research > or any one else's. Perhaps you are referring to the material > people submitted to the FTM people to have put on cds where the > company would have made some money on the sale of the > cds. Although I did not submit my data there, the company did let > people know that the cds would be sold. But so what, if a person > shared a few names with a fellow researcher and they submitted the > file to FTM. Life is to short to worry about that. > > I have been the recipient of the kindnesses of others who freely > shared their research. Most of us are likely not to be able to > reciprocate for many of the people who helped us, particularly in > the beginning, but we can help the next person down the road. > > There is probably such a thing as "smart sharing" and "stupid > sharing". I have been aware of "a few" people on some lists that > share nothing helpful but ask for my or other people's total gedcom > files. I tell them they can find all my research on WorldConnect > where I have everything but my living people. If they want to put > in a little effort, they can acquire my submissions. > > I do limit the number of generations that people can download > so that I do not find my ENTIRE database merged with someone else's > and resubmitted. I like others make mistakes, and I want to be > able to fix my mistakes when I find them. I don't respond to > requests to "send me everything you have". But most any reasonable > request results in my taking the extra mile to help. > > I love this hobby. It makes my day when I can provide someone > with a tidbit of information that solves perhaps a 10 year > search. So hopefully rolaruen will enjoy sharing. > > If you or anyone else does not want your entire file merged > with someone else's database, share with a pedigree chart, a > couple family groups sheets, reports of a few generations or submit > your gedcom to WorldConnect and limit gedcom downloads; > > Limiting your help to specific issues can encourage people to > do their own data entry and begin to realize how much work this > hobby of ours entails if we do it the right way. It can also make > us feel pleased that we were able to help. The initial help may > bring out a dialog where both help each other even more. > >Margaret Scheffler > >----- Original Message ----- From: "rolaruen" <rolauren@verizon.net> > >I am not in favor of giving away my families data to anyone I suspect is >specifically intent on sell it, i.e.: has a business whose direct or >specific intent is to make money on other peoples research and >personal history. > > > >==== NYOSWEGO Mailing List ==== >List Administrator Bonita Shafer >Northern New York Genealogy - http://www.nnygenealogy.com >sagemarie98@earthlink.net > >============================== >Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. >New content added every business day. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.8/413 - Release Date: 8/8/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. 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Lauren, Just curious - did you submit your database to RootsWeb? If so it will, I think, automatically also be accessible at Ancestry.com. I, for one, am glad that RootsWeb was able to continue in existence and free due to sponsorship or support (or what?) by Ancestry.com. ~ Dori http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~partsch/index.htm

I agree, Margaret. What is the point of accumulating information and not share it? It cost Ancestry and FTM to operated these sites for our benefit, so it doesn;t bother me hat they sell discs. Selling a family book certainly didn't make me a millionaire! Faye Orange Park, Fl

Thank you Marilyn. Yesterday, I once again was 'brought' to Ancestry.com by a link that seemed 'okay' for me to use. I never consciously go there. While there I 'read' that 'I' updated - submitted or corrected my file in January 2006, uploading new/additional data. I was shocked! I did no such thing... I read a bit of the data and it certainly seemed to me that some of it was developed after I stopped visiting Ancestry several years ago! I think the only submittal I made to Ancestry was an email indicating that the file was accumulated my my uncle who had since died, and my name and email addy could be attached for researchers to contact... I do not recall submitting and updated file. I could have but I don't recall. This was many many years ago. And I know that within a short time thereafter, I realized submitters get no benefits... yet Ancestry collects money on hundreds of thousand of submitters files. That is robbing people without cutting them in on the take in any way. I call that piggish usury. The 'free stuff' can be obtained freely on other sites. I wonder where and how they get the new data to incorporate into my file. Shocked and protective of my families data Lauren Rowe -----Original Message----- From: Marilyn Rowsey Dirk [mailto:halylu@twcny.rr.com] Sent: August 10, 2006 6:30 PM To: NYOSWEGO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NYOSWEGO] Perspective on selling and sharing Try giving it to My Ancestry then if you loose it try getting it back for nothing. My friend did and they told her she had to pay to get the information she had supplied them.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "MScheffler" <mscheffl@twcny.rr.com> To: <NYOSWEGO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 4:05 PM Subject: [NYOSWEGO] Perspective on selling and sharing > The belief by many that individuals make money selling their family > genealogy is really a myth. This is SUCH an expensive hobby in terms of > time and money. Even if one were to sell a family history book after > years of research, they likely would have spent way more than they could > sell a book for. Compiling a well researched family genealogy is a labor > of love, never a money making proposition > > I can't conceive of anyone making money selling their research or any > one else's. Perhaps you are referring to the material people submitted to > the FTM people to have put on cds where the company would have made some > money on the sale of the cds. Although I did not submit my data there, > the company did let people know that the cds would be sold. But so what, > if a person shared a few names with a fellow researcher and they submitted > the file to FTM. Life is to short to worry about that. > > I have been the recipient of the kindnesses of others who freely shared > their research. Most of us are likely not to be able to reciprocate for > many of the people who helped us, particularly in the beginning, but we > can help the next person down the road. > > There is probably such a thing as "smart sharing" and "stupid sharing". > I have been aware of "a few" people on some lists that share nothing > helpful but ask for my or other people's total gedcom files. I tell them > they can find all my research on WorldConnect where I have everything but > my living people. If they want to put in a little effort, they can acquire > my submissions. > > I do limit the number of generations that people can download so that > I do not find my ENTIRE database merged with someone else's and > resubmitted. I like others make mistakes, and I want to be able to fix my > mistakes when I find them. I don't respond to requests to "send me > everything you have". But most any reasonable request results in my taking > the extra mile to help. > > I love this hobby. It makes my day when I can provide someone with a > tidbit of information that solves perhaps a 10 year search. So hopefully > rolaruen will enjoy sharing. > > If you or anyone else does not want your entire file merged with > someone else's database, share with a pedigree chart, a couple family > groups sheets, reports of a few generations or submit your gedcom to > WorldConnect and limit gedcom downloads; > > Limiting your help to specific issues can encourage people to do their > own data entry and begin to realize how much work this hobby of ours > entails if we do it the right way. It can also make us feel pleased that > we were able to help. The initial help may bring out a dialog where both > help each other even more. > > Margaret Scheffler > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "rolaruen" <rolauren@verizon.net> > > I am not in favor of giving away my families data to anyone I suspect is > specifically intent on sell it, i.e.: has a business whose direct or > specific intent is to make money on other peoples research and personal > history. > > > > ==== NYOSWEGO Mailing List ==== > List Administrator Bonita Shafer > Northern New York Genealogy - http://www.nnygenealogy.com > sagemarie98@earthlink.net > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >

I said individuals who are working for companies with the specific intent on grabbing data from sincere researchers so that 'they' can sell the data. I can't recall the name of a specific company that does this but I know they exits. They are scalpers. Share all you want I will share with people of my choosing who I have a strong hunch that they are genuine researchers not scalpers performing their daily wage for a company whose intent is to collect/scalp data that they can then sell... there books are available for sale and they often contain data that has not been authenticated yet buyers often assume that it is. -----Original Message----- From: MScheffler [mailto:mscheffl@twcny.rr.com] Sent: August 10, 2006 4:06 PM To: NYOSWEGO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Perspective on selling and sharing The belief by many that individuals make money selling their family genealogy is really a myth. This is SUCH an expensive hobby in terms of time and money. Even if one were to sell a family history book after years of research, they likely would have spent way more than they could sell a book for. Compiling a well researched family genealogy is a labor of love, never a money making proposition I can't conceive of anyone making money selling their research or any one else's. Perhaps you are referring to the material people submitted to the FTM people to have put on cds where the company would have made some money on the sale of the cds. Although I did not submit my data there, the company did let people know that the cds would be sold. But so what, if a person shared a few names with a fellow researcher and they submitted the file to FTM. Life is to short to worry about that. I have been the recipient of the kindnesses of others who freely shared their research. Most of us are likely not to be able to reciprocate for many of the people who helped us, particularly in the beginning, but we can help the next person down the road. There is probably such a thing as "smart sharing" and "stupid sharing". I have been aware of "a few" people on some lists that share nothing helpful but ask for my or other people's total gedcom files. I tell them they can find all my research on WorldConnect where I have everything but my living people. If they want to put in a little effort, they can acquire my submissions. I do limit the number of generations that people can download so that I do not find my ENTIRE database merged with someone else's and resubmitted. I like others make mistakes, and I want to be able to fix my mistakes when I find them. I don't respond to requests to "send me everything you have". But most any reasonable request results in my taking the extra mile to help. I love this hobby. It makes my day when I can provide someone with a tidbit of information that solves perhaps a 10 year search. So hopefully rolaruen will enjoy sharing. If you or anyone else does not want your entire file merged with someone else's database, share with a pedigree chart, a couple family groups sheets, reports of a few generations or submit your gedcom to WorldConnect and limit gedcom downloads; Limiting your help to specific issues can encourage people to do their own data entry and begin to realize how much work this hobby of ours entails if we do it the right way. It can also make us feel pleased that we were able to help. The initial help may bring out a dialog where both help each other even more. Margaret Scheffler ----- Original Message ----- From: "rolaruen" <rolauren@verizon.net> I am not in favor of giving away my families data to anyone I suspect is specifically intent on sell it, i.e.: has a business whose direct or specific intent is to make money on other peoples research and personal history. ______________________________

I suspect that the theft of info refers to Ancestry.com stealing info and then charging others before they can see the info. Many people who are beginners sign up for their "subscriptions" ( which in themselves are totally aggravating since you get knocked off your page, sent where you don't want to be etc and even when you are on rootsweb you get sent to Ancestry's subscription site to sign up. I have experienced this at FHC and heard many complaints) not knowing that this is info stolen from web sites that were free. This is a totally disreputable company in my opinion. I have been researching for 35 years and have completed many of my lines through public records and in genealogy libraries. Now it is strictly a money making proposition sold to newbies and it is sad. I don't think anyone is stupid enough to think that they can make money selling their family genealogy. I think it is disingenuous to suggest that anyone believes that. Jess At 01:05 PM 8/10/2006, you wrote: > The belief by many that individuals make money selling their > family genealogy is really a myth. This is SUCH an expensive hobby > in terms of time and money. Even if one were to sell a family > history book after years of research, they likely would have spent > way more than they could sell a book for. Compiling a well > researched family genealogy is a labor of love, never a money > making proposition > > I can't conceive of anyone making money selling their research > or any one else's. Perhaps you are referring to the material > people submitted to the FTM people to have put on cds where the > company would have made some money on the sale of the > cds. Although I did not submit my data there, the company did let > people know that the cds would be sold. But so what, if a person > shared a few names with a fellow researcher and they submitted the > file to FTM. Life is to short to worry about that. > > I have been the recipient of the kindnesses of others who freely > shared their research. Most of us are likely not to be able to > reciprocate for many of the people who helped us, particularly in > the beginning, but we can help the next person down the road. > > There is probably such a thing as "smart sharing" and "stupid > sharing". I have been aware of "a few" people on some lists that > share nothing helpful but ask for my or other people's total gedcom > files. I tell them they can find all my research on WorldConnect > where I have everything but my living people. If they want to put > in a little effort, they can acquire my submissions. > > I do limit the number of generations that people can download > so that I do not find my ENTIRE database merged with someone else's > and resubmitted. I like others make mistakes, and I want to be > able to fix my mistakes when I find them. I don't respond to > requests to "send me everything you have". But most any reasonable > request results in my taking the extra mile to help. > > I love this hobby. It makes my day when I can provide someone > with a tidbit of information that solves perhaps a 10 year > search. So hopefully rolaruen will enjoy sharing. > > If you or anyone else does not want your entire file merged > with someone else's database, share with a pedigree chart, a > couple family groups sheets, reports of a few generations or submit > your gedcom to WorldConnect and limit gedcom downloads; > > Limiting your help to specific issues can encourage people to > do their own data entry and begin to realize how much work this > hobby of ours entails if we do it the right way. It can also make > us feel pleased that we were able to help. The initial help may > bring out a dialog where both help each other even more. > >Margaret Scheffler > >----- Original Message ----- From: "rolaruen" <rolauren@verizon.net> > >I am not in favor of giving away my families data to anyone I suspect is >specifically intent on sell it, i.e.: has a business whose direct or >specific intent is to make money on other peoples research and >personal history. > > > >==== NYOSWEGO Mailing List ==== >List Administrator Bonita Shafer >Northern New York Genealogy - http://www.nnygenealogy.com >sagemarie98@earthlink.net > >============================== >Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. >New content added every business day. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.8/413 - Release Date: 8/8/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.8/413 - Release Date: 8/8/2006

I have no idea what "My Ancestry" is. But if you contribute a database to WorldConnect, you can remove it or replace it or add something new whenever one wants -- ALL WITHOUT COST. If one does submit data, especially to sites, not well known, they should read the find print . In any case collections of names and dates cannot be copyrighted -- these are in the public domain. However, the point I was making is that good researchers do not make money from publishing genealogy books as it costs way more to research and publish the book than one can get back from sales. Even good sized family surname associations have a hard time getting a book published due to the cost. It is difficult to sell enough books to get back the upfront cost of publishing. And the cost of researching one will likely never get back. Margaret Scheffler ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marilyn Rowsey Dirk" <halylu@twcny.rr.com> To: <NYOSWEGO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 6:29 PM Subject: Re: [NYOSWEGO] Perspective on selling and sharing > Try giving it to My Ancestry then if you loose it try getting it back for > nothing. My friend did and they told her she had to pay to get the > information she had supplied them..

Try giving it to My Ancestry then if you loose it try getting it back for nothing. My friend did and they told her she had to pay to get the information she had supplied them.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "MScheffler" <mscheffl@twcny.rr.com> To: <NYOSWEGO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 4:05 PM Subject: [NYOSWEGO] Perspective on selling and sharing > The belief by many that individuals make money selling their family > genealogy is really a myth. This is SUCH an expensive hobby in terms of > time and money. Even if one were to sell a family history book after > years of research, they likely would have spent way more than they could > sell a book for. Compiling a well researched family genealogy is a labor > of love, never a money making proposition > > I can't conceive of anyone making money selling their research or any > one else's. Perhaps you are referring to the material people submitted to > the FTM people to have put on cds where the company would have made some > money on the sale of the cds. Although I did not submit my data there, > the company did let people know that the cds would be sold. But so what, > if a person shared a few names with a fellow researcher and they submitted > the file to FTM. Life is to short to worry about that. > > I have been the recipient of the kindnesses of others who freely shared > their research. Most of us are likely not to be able to reciprocate for > many of the people who helped us, particularly in the beginning, but we > can help the next person down the road. > > There is probably such a thing as "smart sharing" and "stupid sharing". > I have been aware of "a few" people on some lists that share nothing > helpful but ask for my or other people's total gedcom files. I tell them > they can find all my research on WorldConnect where I have everything but > my living people. If they want to put in a little effort, they can acquire > my submissions. > > I do limit the number of generations that people can download so that > I do not find my ENTIRE database merged with someone else's and > resubmitted. I like others make mistakes, and I want to be able to fix my > mistakes when I find them. I don't respond to requests to "send me > everything you have". But most any reasonable request results in my taking > the extra mile to help. > > I love this hobby. It makes my day when I can provide someone with a > tidbit of information that solves perhaps a 10 year search. So hopefully > rolaruen will enjoy sharing. > > If you or anyone else does not want your entire file merged with > someone else's database, share with a pedigree chart, a couple family > groups sheets, reports of a few generations or submit your gedcom to > WorldConnect and limit gedcom downloads; > > Limiting your help to specific issues can encourage people to do their > own data entry and begin to realize how much work this hobby of ours > entails if we do it the right way. It can also make us feel pleased that > we were able to help. The initial help may bring out a dialog where both > help each other even more. > > Margaret Scheffler > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "rolaruen" <rolauren@verizon.net> > > I am not in favor of giving away my families data to anyone I suspect is > specifically intent on sell it, i.e.: has a business whose direct or > specific intent is to make money on other peoples research and personal > history. > > > > ==== NYOSWEGO Mailing List ==== > List Administrator Bonita Shafer > Northern New York Genealogy - http://www.nnygenealogy.com > sagemarie98@earthlink.net > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >

The belief by many that individuals make money selling their family genealogy is really a myth. This is SUCH an expensive hobby in terms of time and money. Even if one were to sell a family history book after years of research, they likely would have spent way more than they could sell a book for. Compiling a well researched family genealogy is a labor of love, never a money making proposition I can't conceive of anyone making money selling their research or any one else's. Perhaps you are referring to the material people submitted to the FTM people to have put on cds where the company would have made some money on the sale of the cds. Although I did not submit my data there, the company did let people know that the cds would be sold. But so what, if a person shared a few names with a fellow researcher and they submitted the file to FTM. Life is to short to worry about that. I have been the recipient of the kindnesses of others who freely shared their research. Most of us are likely not to be able to reciprocate for many of the people who helped us, particularly in the beginning, but we can help the next person down the road. There is probably such a thing as "smart sharing" and "stupid sharing". I have been aware of "a few" people on some lists that share nothing helpful but ask for my or other people's total gedcom files. I tell them they can find all my research on WorldConnect where I have everything but my living people. If they want to put in a little effort, they can acquire my submissions. I do limit the number of generations that people can download so that I do not find my ENTIRE database merged with someone else's and resubmitted. I like others make mistakes, and I want to be able to fix my mistakes when I find them. I don't respond to requests to "send me everything you have". But most any reasonable request results in my taking the extra mile to help. I love this hobby. It makes my day when I can provide someone with a tidbit of information that solves perhaps a 10 year search. So hopefully rolaruen will enjoy sharing. If you or anyone else does not want your entire file merged with someone else's database, share with a pedigree chart, a couple family groups sheets, reports of a few generations or submit your gedcom to WorldConnect and limit gedcom downloads; Limiting your help to specific issues can encourage people to do their own data entry and begin to realize how much work this hobby of ours entails if we do it the right way. It can also make us feel pleased that we were able to help. The initial help may bring out a dialog where both help each other even more. Margaret Scheffler ----- Original Message ----- From: "rolaruen" <rolauren@verizon.net> I am not in favor of giving away my families data to anyone I suspect is specifically intent on sell it, i.e.: has a business whose direct or specific intent is to make money on other peoples research and personal history.