In a message dated 6/30/03 3:58:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > > I have used several Family History Centers and always found the personnel to > most helpful, knowledgeable and kind. > Great people. Enjoy the atmosphere as well with children having innocent fun in the hallways and gym and classrooms. Such mannerly children, even the teens. Shirley

I have used several Family History Centers and always found the personnel to most helpful, knowledgeable and kind. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy/Ted Richings" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 1:35 PM Subject: Re: Family History Centers > > Thanks to Russ for an excellent description of how to find a film from the > FHC. I am a volunteer at a family history center in Oregon, and I am also a > non Mormon. So many folks feel that they have to be a member of the church, > but I have been a volunteer and user of the Family History Centers for more > than 20 years and I have never felt anything but welcome at any FHC no > matter where it is in the country. Try them, you will find them friendly > and helpful, some more than others, just like the rest of the world. We try > to help everyone who comes into our little branch library and we mostly > succeed. Nancy in Salem, OR > > > > ==== NYOSWEGO Mailing List ==== > New York GenExchange > http://www.genexchange.com/state.cfm?state=ny > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi Nancy Thanks for sharing your site. There is always someone in need of a professional genealogist so I will save your web address. In fact, someone just contacted me last evening who may be a possible candiate. Another person named Everett is located in northern Michigan who may be interested as well. Her great grandfather, James Everett, cam from New York and doesn't know where to begin in finding him. Of course, whether she and her father would be interested or could afford to hire someone is beyond my knowledge. Incidentally, what is your fee structure? Ken > Hello, Ken and others, > The NYG&B is a gem, isn't it? I've been a member for several years. The > building is a research heaven set in bustling Manhattan. The publications > are so valuable! > I like being in a repository, as you apparently do too. The NYS Library & > Archives are my research retreat. You might like to browse through their > on-line catalog and salivate! > Nancy Johnsen Curran > http://pages.prodigy.net/nancycurran

Thanks to Russ for an excellent description of how to find a film from the FHC. I am a volunteer at a family history center in Oregon, and I am also a non Mormon. So many folks feel that they have to be a member of the church, but I have been a volunteer and user of the Family History Centers for more than 20 years and I have never felt anything but welcome at any FHC no matter where it is in the country. Try them, you will find them friendly and helpful, some more than others, just like the rest of the world. We try to help everyone who comes into our little branch library and we mostly succeed. Nancy in Salem, OR

Hi Ken, About NYG&B, you say "It has a computer area where you can look at NYS census reports for each county." Are these computer images or do you use microfilm viewers? Thanks for the information. Virginia -----Original Message----- From: Ken Everard [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 1:59 PM To: [email protected] Subject: NYS & NYC Resources Nancy: Let me add another resource about which many people may not be aware. Nearly a month ago I learned that there is an organization called The New York State Genealogy and Biographical Society located in NYC on 58th street. Here's the web site (http://www.ngsgenealogy.org). Last week I spent several hours there to learn of the holdings. While you can obtain general information on the web site, your best bet is to become a member, which is a little steep, namely $60 a year. It has a computer area where you can look at NYS census reports for each county. SNIP

Here is an interesting website http://www.census-online.com/links/ Check it out, Please I am having trouble with acrobat reader so....

I don't think I've seen anyone post this information yet; forgive me if I'm duplicating stuff. The Ontario County Records and Archives Center (RAIMS) has the NY state census records available. They also have indexes, broken down by township, for the years 1850-1875. I haven't ordered any census records yet, but have found Mary Jo Lamphear (main contact) to be very helpful with probate records, etc. I live in Denver and can't get to Ontario very often and have found this to be a great way to locate information. I can find a bunch of things on their indexes and make requests for specific documents. Here's the link to their census indexes: http://raims.com/censusmenu.html Hope that helps! ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 9:03 AM Subject: Re: Ny Census- Oswego county 1915 not included > Hi Russ and All > > Here is the URL for State Census that exist for each County for New York > State. Hope that this will help you. However they are not available on > Interlibrary Loan and must be used at the NYS Library or at the County Archives level. > It appears that the LDS was only allowed to get films on selected counties > for various years. > > http://www.nysl.nysed.gov/genealogy/nyscens.htm > > Regards > Pat R > > > ==== NYOSWEGO Mailing List ==== > Northern New York History and Genealogy > www.nnygenealogy.com > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Someone posted the question 'what to do when you see an LDS microfilm of interest listed on the internet' and I'm not sure if anyone answered that. From www.familysearch.org <http://www.familysearch.org/> , click on 'Find a family history center near you..' Follow the links to find the FHC (Family History Center) closest to you. An address and phone number will be listed. You can call the FHC re what hours they are open. They are volunteer run, they welcome everyone (you do not have to be a Mormon/LDS) and they are free but welcome donations. There is a small handling charge to have film delivered to the FHC where you can then research it on their microfilm reader. I don't recall the exact charge but last I knew it was under $5. The centers typically have Saturday hours and at least one weekday where they are open later (til 8 p.m. or so) for the not yet retired among us. They will notify you when the film arrives and then keep it for (I think) 3 weeks. If a film is requested often enough I believe they make it permanent at the FHC where it is requested. There are typically many other resources at an FHC. They may have resources specific to their geographic location plus books, cd's and other material covering the entire U.S. The volunteer staff are generally very knowledgeable and helpful. You may find brochures about resources outside the domain of the LDS (local genealogy clubs, events, and resources). Hope this helps - Russ Sprague Kensington, Maryland

Thanks to all who responded - and there were many. I was able to find what I wanted. Starting at www.familysearch.org, click on 'search the catalog', then 'place search' then (and here is where I made a mistake yesterday), fill in county name of your choice on top *and* for 'part of' fill in whatever state that county is in. I filled in 'st lawrence' for the top and 'new york' for the bottom. The search returned 'St. Lawrence county' as part of NY and listed under that were various resources including the NY state censuses. Russ -----Original Message----- From: Ken Everard [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 11:20 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Ny Census- Oswego county 1915 not included Pat and All: This is a great list to keep handy. Thanks for the excellent sleuthing effort. You are one of the most helpful genealogists I know of and you are always there for those in need of help in north central New York and beyond. Ken > Here is the URL for State Census that exist for each County for New York > State. Hope that this will help you. However they are not available on > Interlibrary Loan and must be used at the NYS Library or at the County Archives level. > It appears that the LDS was only allowed to get films on selected counties > for various years. > > http://www.nysl.nysed.gov/genealogy/nyscens.htm > > Regards > Pat R ==== NYOSWEGO Mailing List ==== Northern New York History and Genealogy www.nnygenealogy.com ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Ok. Possibly the LDS did not microfilm the 1915 census for St. Lawrence county. I know it exists because I have seen it and the 1925 census at the county offices in Canton. I hope some of you Oswego readers will bear with me as I discuss St. Lawrence county on your Oswego list. I jumped onto some other thread about the NY state census. Russ -----Original Message----- From: Mabry Benson [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 12:16 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Ny Census- Oswego county 1915 not included My recollection from my last visit to the Oswego Co records office that 1905 was the last useful state census. Mabry Benson ==== NYOSWEGO Mailing List ==== New York GenExchange http://www.genexchange.com/state.cfm?state=ny ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Thanks for the note - this is a little off topic for Oswego county because I really want to see what (if any) NY state censuses are on LDS microfilm for St. Lawrence county. I don't want the URL just handed to me. I want to know, starting with www.familysearch.org, which links to click on and what to type into search boxes to come up with which NY state censuses (if any) are on LDS microfilm for St. Lawrence county. Once I have the correct set of links, I can answer questions about it on the St. Lawrence county list where I am the moderator. To date, with the few microfilm searches I've tried, I generally come up with nothing. Russ -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2003 10:53 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Ny Census This is from the LDS site Hope this helps State census records of Oswego County, New York, 1855-1892 Authors <A HREF="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframes et.asp?display=authordetails&authorno=257224&name=New_York._Secretary_of _State,_null">New York. Secretary of State</A> (Main Author) Notes Microfilm of original records at the Oswego County Courthouse in Oswego, New York. Subjects <A HREF="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframes et.asp?display=topicdetails&subject=833235&subject_disp=New_York,_Oswego _-_Census_-_1855">New York, Oswego - Census - 1855</A> <A HREF="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframes et.asp?display=topicdetails&subject=833236&subject_disp=New_York,_Oswego _-_Census_-_1865">New York, Oswego - Census - 1865</A> <A HREF="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframes et.asp?display=topicdetails&subject=833237&subject_disp=New_York,_Oswego _-_Census_-_1875">New York, Oswego - Census - 1875</A> <A HREF="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframes et.asp?display=topicdetails&subject=833238&subject_disp=New_York,_Oswego _-_Census_-_1892">New York, Oswego - Census - 1892</A> <A HREF="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframes et.asp?display=topicdetails&subject=745436&subject_disp=New_York_-_Censu s">New York - Census</A> Format Manuscript (On Film) Language English Publication Salt Lake City : Filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1971 Physical 10 microfilm reels ; 35 mm. For a printable version of this record click <A HREF="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/printing/titled etailsprint.asp?titleno=85492">here</A> then click your browser's Print button. C 2000 Intellectual Reserve, Inc. All rights reserved. ==== NYOSWEGO Mailing List ==== New York GenExchange http://www.genexchange.com/state.cfm?state=ny ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Pat and All: This is a great list to keep handy. Thanks for the excellent sleuthing effort. You are one of the most helpful genealogists I know of and you are always there for those in need of help in north central New York and beyond. Ken > Here is the URL for State Census that exist for each County for New York > State. Hope that this will help you. However they are not available on > Interlibrary Loan and must be used at the NYS Library or at the County Archives level. > It appears that the LDS was only allowed to get films on selected counties > for various years. > > http://www.nysl.nysed.gov/genealogy/nyscens.htm > > Regards > Pat R

Hi Russ and All Here is the URL for State Census that exist for each County for New York State. Hope that this will help you. However they are not available on Interlibrary Loan and must be used at the NYS Library or at the County Archives level. It appears that the LDS was only allowed to get films on selected counties for various years. http://www.nysl.nysed.gov/genealogy/nyscens.htm Regards Pat R

Cindy: Your best bet is to go to their web site and read their URLs. The site is http://www.ngsgenealogy.org Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2003 6:17 PM Subject: Re: NYS & NYC Resources > Can you tell us what all the NYG&B has online that would be useful. I'm in > WV and don't foresee a trip to NY anytime soon but I have ancestors from Oswego > Co. > > thanks, > cindy este loy

Hi Cousin: When I do a place search under Family History Library Catalog, top box "Oswego", bottom box "New York", click search, select New York, Oswego, I get censuses from 1820 thru 1925 with some missing. Many censuses were not filmed due to poor quality or budget restrictions if they did not add a whole lot to those chosen. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 12:09 AM Subject: Re: Ny Census- Oswego county 1915 not included > I do believe I see why Russ has not gotten the 1915 Census for Oswego County. > The LDS films indicates it only goes to 1892. > > I don't see 1915 being included in very many of the County Censuses. > Hope this helps > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > - - - - - - - - - - - - - > This is from the LDS site > > State census records of Oswego County, New York, 1855-1892 > Authors <A HREF="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.a sp?display=authordetails&authorno=257224&name=New_York._Secretary_of_State,_ null">New York. Secretary of State</A> (Main Author) > Notes Microfilm of original records at the Oswego County Courthouse in > Oswego, New York. > > > Subjects <A HREF="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.a sp?display=topicdetails&subject=833235&subject_disp=New_York,_Oswego_-_Censu s_-_1855">New York, Oswego - Census - 1855</A> > <A HREF="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.a sp?display=topicdetails&subject=833236&subject_disp=New_York,_Oswego_-_Censu s_-_1865">New York, Oswego - Census - 1865</A> > <A HREF="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.a sp?display=topicdetails&subject=833237&subject_disp=New_York,_Oswego_-_Censu s_-_1875">New York, Oswego - Census - 1875</A> > <A HREF="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.a sp?display=topicdetails&subject=833238&subject_disp=New_York,_Oswego_-_Censu s_-_1892">New York, Oswego - Census - 1892</A> > <A HREF="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.a sp?display=topicdetails&subject=745436&subject_disp=New_York_-_Census">New York - Census</A> > > > Format Manuscript (On Film) > Language English > Publication Salt Lake City : Filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, > 1971 > Physical 10 microfilm reels ; 35 mm. > > > > ==== NYOSWEGO Mailing List ==== > Northern New York History and Genealogy > www.nnygenealogy.com > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

I know half of you will think this is a stupid question, but after you do all that at familysearch.org and find the film notes, then what? In a message dated 6/28/03 9:17:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: << I had no problem finding the census films at the LDS library site. Go to library after getting to familysearch.org, then to catalogue, place search, type in New York, then click on census (top of list) and scroll down to Oswego (or other counties) and find the film notes to what you want. I have found these "5 - year) census very helpful because they list the family relationship and in 1865, the Civil War service and deaths. Good luck, Ruth Seibert >>

I do believe I see why Russ has not gotten the 1915 Census for Oswego County. The LDS films indicates it only goes to 1892. I don't see 1915 being included in very many of the County Censuses. Hope this helps - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - This is from the LDS site State census records of Oswego County, New York, 1855-1892 Authors <A HREF="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=authordetails&authorno=257224&name=New_York._Secretary_of_State,_null">New York. Secretary of State</A> (Main Author) Notes Microfilm of original records at the Oswego County Courthouse in Oswego, New York. Subjects <A HREF="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=topicdetails&subject=833235&subject_disp=New_York,_Oswego_-_Census_-_1855">New York, Oswego - Census - 1855</A> <A HREF="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=topicdetails&subject=833236&subject_disp=New_York,_Oswego_-_Census_-_1865">New York, Oswego - Census - 1865</A> <A HREF="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=topicdetails&subject=833237&subject_disp=New_York,_Oswego_-_Census_-_1875">New York, Oswego - Census - 1875</A> <A HREF="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=topicdetails&subject=833238&subject_disp=New_York,_Oswego_-_Census_-_1892">New York, Oswego - Census - 1892</A> <A HREF="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=topicdetails&subject=745436&subject_disp=New_York_-_Census">New York - Census</A> Format Manuscript (On Film) Language English Publication Salt Lake City : Filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1971 Physical 10 microfilm reels ; 35 mm.

Or maybe this will help Title State census records of Oswego County, New York, 1855-1892 Authors <A HREF="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=authordetails&authorno=257224&name=New_York._Secretary_of_State,_null">New York. Secretary of State</A> (Main Author) Note Location Film Census, Oswego Co., vol. 1, Albion-Mexico 1855 FHL US/CAN Film 857435 Census, Oswego Co., v. 2. New Haven-Parish 1855 FHL US/CAN Film 857436 Census, Oswego Co., v. 3. Richland-Williamstown 1855 FHL US/CAN Film 857437 Item 1 Census, Oswego Co., v. 1. Albion-Hannibal 1865 FHL US/CAN Film 857437 Item 2 Census, Oswego Co., vol. 2, Hastings-New Haven 1865 FHL US/CAN Film 857438 Census, Oswego Co., vol. 3, Oswego-Richland 1865 FHL US/CAN Film 857439 Census, Oswego Co., vol. 4, Sandy Creek-Williamstown 1865 FHL US/CAN Film 857440 Census, Oswego Co., vol. 1, Albion-Mexico 1875 FHL US/CAN Film 857441 Census, Oswego Co., vol. 2, New Haven-Parish 1875 FHL US/CAN Film 857442 Census, Oswego Co., vol. 3, Richland-Williamstown 1875 FHL US/CAN Film 857443 Census, Oswego Co., vols. 1-2, Albion-Oswego 1892 FHL US/CAN Film 857444 Census, Oswego Co., vol. 3, Palermo-Williamstown 1892 FHL US/CAN Film 857445 Item 1 For a printable version of this record click <A HREF="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/printing/titledetailsprint.asp?titleno=85492&first=1&last=50">here</A> then click your browser's Print button. © 2000 Intellectual Reserve, Inc. All rights reserved.

This is from the LDS site Hope this helps State census records of Oswego County, New York, 1855-1892 Authors <A HREF="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=authordetails&authorno=257224&name=New_York._Secretary_of_State,_null">New York. Secretary of State</A> (Main Author) Notes Microfilm of original records at the Oswego County Courthouse in Oswego, New York. Subjects <A HREF="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=topicdetails&subject=833235&subject_disp=New_York,_Oswego_-_Census_-_1855">New York, Oswego - Census - 1855</A> <A HREF="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=topicdetails&subject=833236&subject_disp=New_York,_Oswego_-_Census_-_1865">New York, Oswego - Census - 1865</A> <A HREF="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=topicdetails&subject=833237&subject_disp=New_York,_Oswego_-_Census_-_1875">New York, Oswego - Census - 1875</A> <A HREF="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=topicdetails&subject=833238&subject_disp=New_York,_Oswego_-_Census_-_1892">New York, Oswego - Census - 1892</A> <A HREF="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=topicdetails&subject=745436&subject_disp=New_York_-_Census">New York - Census</A> Format Manuscript (On Film) Language English Publication Salt Lake City : Filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1971 Physical 10 microfilm reels ; 35 mm. For a printable version of this record click <A HREF="http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/printing/titledetailsprint.asp?titleno=85492">here</A> then click your browser's Print button. © 2000 Intellectual Reserve, Inc. All rights reserved.

It's hard to describe just how frustrating this can be and I have tremendous admiration for the LDS in general. I went to catalog, then place then 'ny' and it came up with two odd references. If I do place then 'new york' then scroll down a list, I did see a link for the New York state census. I just went back to the list of NY censuses, clicked on 1915 and expected to see a list of counties with St. Lawrence county included. I see Bronx, Broome, Erie and Columbia listed but *none* of the dozens of other NY counties one might expect and no 'page forward' or indication of more records. I'll re-read some of these note posted and revisit this issue tomorrow. I appreciate all the notes. To be honest, this is a lame, non-intuitive search mechanism which would likely mislead many people who try to use it. This has happened every time I've tried to come up with microfilm info at the LDS site. They should let the general public try some searches, see how the public does it and make the results fit. I'm not new to this, I am a computer programmer by trade and have done various searches for years. Russ in Kensington, Maryland -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2003 9:17 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Ny Census I had no problem finding the census films at the LDS library site. Go to library after getting to familysearch.org, then to catalogue, place search, type in New York, then click on census (top of list) and scroll down to Oswego (or other counties) and find the film notes to what you want. I have found these "5 - year) census very helpful because they list the family relationship and in 1865, the Civil War service and deaths. Good luck, Ruth Seibert Fresno, CA ==== NYOSWEGO Mailing List ==== New York GenExchange http://www.genexchange.com/state.cfm?state=ny ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237