Here's someone else involved with that couple: http://www.gencircles.com/users/mwsnyde/1/data/1233.html ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 8:49 PM Subject: Chivers ca 1850 > > Seeking information on Chivers family in Oswego > County about 1850. I have only a very small > amount of information, hope someone else is > working on this line. > > Here's what I have: > > 1850 Census > Jonathan "Chines" (Chivers?) b. Eng > (living next door to Henry and Miriam (Chivers) Hale) > > Chivers living in Volney > Josiah Chivers 37 b.England > Emaline 37 NY > Nancy 9 NY > Syble 1 NY > > Passenger list, ship "Elizabeth" 31 May 1849 > Joseph Chivers US from Ireland age 45 > > ---------------------------------- > My Miriam Chivers married Henry Hale and they > resided in Volney until Henry died from wounds > suffered at the battle for Cedar Creek, VA in > 1864. > > > Jerry Hale > Deltona, FL >

Seeking information on Chivers family in Oswego County about 1850. I have only a very small amount of information, hope someone else is working on this line. Here's what I have: 1850 Census Jonathan "Chines" (Chivers?) b. Eng (living next door to Henry and Miriam (Chivers) Hale) Chivers living in Volney Josiah Chivers 37 b.England Emaline 37 NY Nancy 9 NY Syble 1 NY Passenger list, ship "Elizabeth" 31 May 1849 Joseph Chivers US from Ireland age 45 ---------------------------------- My Miriam Chivers married Henry Hale and they resided in Volney until Henry died from wounds suffered at the battle for Cedar Creek, VA in 1864. Jerry Hale Deltona, FL ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Hi Jeff, I believe you can get the information from the Oswego Co Office Bldg listed below. There would be a charge for copies and possibly mailing. You can also check to see if Sambupco is able to obtain them. He does wills, etc., for a fee, but also has lists of name for all counties with Will #'s so you might want to check for that also. That url, which can be found on the Links Page is: http://www.sampubco.com/. It might be quicker to contact the County Bldg. Good luck in your research. Laura Oswego County Office Building 46 E. Bridge Street Oswego, N.Y. 13136 (315) 349-3400 Alexander, Jeff wrote: >Would anyone on this list be in a position to make a copy of an Intestate >Letter of Administration for David Hall or provide me with instructions on >how to obtain a copy directly. > >The webpage on the Oswego County site says it is found in Book A: March >1816-1831, dated Jan 31, 1820, on page 12 located in the Oswego County >Surrogate Court. > >Thanks for any help, >Jeff > > >==== NYOSWEGO Mailing List ==== >Northern New York History and Genealogy >www.nnygenealogy.com > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > >

Would anyone on this list be in a position to make a copy of an Intestate Letter of Administration for David Hall or provide me with instructions on how to obtain a copy directly. The webpage on the Oswego County site says it is found in Book A: March 1816-1831, dated Jan 31, 1820, on page 12 located in the Oswego County Surrogate Court. Thanks for any help, Jeff

Dear Jerry, While I don't have information on Elijah specifically, I can trace my family to Henry and Miriam (Marian in my source, probably wrong). Their daughter Emeline C. Hale married my great-grandfather's brother John Edwin Howard. My facts show that she died in Rochester, Monroe County, NY, but that she was buried in Mount Pleasant Cemetery, Town of Volney, Oswego County. You might have a look at the following link, if you haven't come across it yet: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyoswego/cemeteries/mtpleasntwestvol3.html Elijah does not seem to have been buried with his parents, so it at least seems likely that he reached adulthood. Hopefully this information isn't completely redundant with respect to what you've collected. Good luck! Aaron Howard (son of David Howard, son of Donald H. Howard, son of James Seth Howard, brother of John Edwin Howard, who married Emeline C. Hale, daughter of Henry Hale and Miriam Marian Chines) [email protected] wrote: Seeking any information on Elijah, son of Henry Hale (1826 - 1864) and Miriam (Chivers) Hale/Parker. Miriam married Linus Parker after Henry died. Elijah would have been 13 years old. Miriam and Linus lived in Fulton, Oswego Co., NY the last I've learned. Jerry Hale Deltona, FL ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ==== NYOSWEGO Mailing List ==== New York GenExchange http://www.genexchange.com/state.cfm?state=ny ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month!

Dear Jerry, While I don't have information on Elijah specifically, I can trace my family to Henry and Miriam (Marian in my source, probably wrong). Their daughter Emeline C. Hale married my great-grandfather's brother John Edwin Howard. My facts show that she died in Rochester, Monroe County, NY, but that she was buried in Mount Pleasant Cemetery, Town of Volney, Oswego County. You might have a look at the following link, if you haven't come across it yet: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyoswego/cemeteries/mtpleasntwestvol3.html Elijah does not seem to have been buried with his parents, so it at least seems likely that he reached adulthood. Hopefully this information isn't completely redundant with respect to what you've collected. Good luck! Aaron Howard (son of David Howard, son of Donald H. Howard, son of James Seth Howard, brother of John Edwin Howard, who married Emeline C. Hale, daughter of Henry Hale and Miriam Marian Chines) [email protected] wrote: Seeking any information on Elijah, son of Henry Hale (1826 - 1864) and Miriam (Chivers) Hale/Parker. Miriam married Linus Parker after Henry died. Elijah would have been 13 years old. Miriam and Linus lived in Fulton, Oswego Co., NY the last I've learned. Jerry Hale Deltona, FL ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ==== NYOSWEGO Mailing List ==== New York GenExchange http://www.genexchange.com/state.cfm?state=ny ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month!

Thank you and your husband. I realize this was a hard decision. I have lived across the field (ON the Johnson Road) with my grandmother. Her property extended to the field in front of the Poor House. I have visited with many residents and would swim in the mill pond, fish below the dam for trout, many great memories. My wife is a genologist and visits the Oswego County Historical Society which is open and the personnel are a great help. Being born in Oswego and living in Oswego Town (Oswego Center) I thank you for allowing access to the records by out of state people. I now live in Virginia but make the trek to Oswego yearly. Again Thanks - Great Decision. [email protected]

Hello One and All, I would like to thank each of you for responding to my email regarding where the Oswego Records Book should reside. It was a very difficult decision for my husband and I to make, but we have made one. My husband and I were married 33 years on the 4th of July and this is my anniversary present from him. When I saw the email regarding the book this is what I asked him for and he made sure that I got it!! Thank you Barry! My reason for donating the book to back to Oswego instead of keeping it is: My grandmother was from Oswego and my grandparents meet, fell in love and were married there. In fact I believe I still have family there. I have donated the book to the Oswego County Genealogy County Society, and requested that they find a place for the book to be located. As we do not live in or near Oswego, we were not certain where the majority of the genealogists would look for information, and all the locations mentioned were worthy places. The Richardson - Bates House Museum is a wonderful place, but appointments have to be made to do family research. My husband and I thought this might be a draw back to other people as I found it to be. (Often we just took off and did not know when we would be in Oswego.) The Library was another location that I thought of as place were it would help other Genealogists. Due to the fact that I was only at the library once, I could not remember what their local history section was like. Lastly, the records department was also on my list but the hours were limited to weekdays which I thought could be draw back. So, I decided to give it to the Genealogy Society and they could decide for me. Thank you one and all, Diane

Hi This appears to be where the majority of historical records, documents and etc of Oswego County are located and I would say it would be a good location to consider when donated the book. It is also open to the public so they would be able to view it. Richardson-Bates House Museum The Oswego County Historical Society's collection of nearly 13,000 artifacts, documents and photographs traces the significant history of the area, and is located in the Richardson-Bates House at 135 East Third Street in Oswego. The house was built sometime between 1867 and 1871 and is a fine example of Tuscan Villa Victorian architecture. The entire upstairs of the house is dedicated to the preservation of local history. The downstairs is preserved as the Richardson family knew it, with 95 percent of the original furnishings of the period. Maxwell Richardson was an attorney, real estate broker, and two-term mayor of Oswego. His house reflects his wealth and position as a civic leader. The museum is open Tuesday through Friday from 10 a.m. to 5 p.m. and on weekends from 1 to 5 p.m. It is closed Mondays and holidays. (315) 343-1342. Admission charged. Regards Pat R

Diane, What a great thing for you to do. I live in Oswego and I would suggest you may want to donate it to the Oswego County Records Room. Barbara Dix is in charge there and she is the Oswego County Historian. Her e-mail address is [email protected] Her work phone number is 315-349-8460 and her fax number is 315-349-8458. I would love to see it go there. She is a very caring and helpful person and they are constantly acquiring records to add to their collection. Thank you Carolyn Reitano

Thank you Kevin. I have all of that information but Elijah remains elusive. Jerry ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

I found it listed on ebay, but the auction ended on 7/5. It sold for 241.00. -----Original Message----- From: Russ [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2003 10:36 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Oswego Poorhouse Records This will generate some comments for some time. I would give it (or make a copy of it and give the copy to) the 'poorhouse lady' who has freely made many records from many states available to all on the internet. If you were to give it to her with the stipulation that she in turn donate it to an Oswego historical society, I'm betting she would accept that and that could also benefit many people. I looked for it briefly on ebay but either didn't search correctly or it was bought and de-listed when I looked. How many pages is it? Roughly how many names in it? What did it finally sell for? Russ Sprague Kensington, Maryland -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2003 8:14 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Poorhouse Records ALERT! Hello, I just wanted to let you know that I bid on the Poorhouse Records from Ebay and WON! Instead of keeping the book, I would like to return the book to Oswego and was wondering where this book should go to??? Let me know what you think. Diane ==== NYOSWEGO Mailing List ==== New York GenExchange http://www.genexchange.com/state.cfm?state=ny ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 ==== NYOSWEGO Mailing List ==== Northern New York History and Genealogy www.nnygenealogy.com ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

The historical society is a great place to share info but the hours are not that great. You more or less have to make an appointment to see someone or something there. The records dept which is a separate entity is open from 9 to 5 week days except holidays no appointment needed, would be the most beneficial for all to extrapolate info there. Walk in any time. Always some one there to help with your search too. Marilyn Rowsey Dirk Vice President Oswego County Genealogy Society ( separate from thru Historical Society) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Russ" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2003 10:35 AM Subject: Oswego Poorhouse Records > This will generate some comments for some time. I would give it (or > make a copy of it and give the copy to) the 'poorhouse lady' who has > freely made many records from many states available to all on the > internet. If you were to give it to her with the stipulation that she > in turn donate it to an Oswego historical society, I'm betting she would > accept that and that could also benefit many people. > > I looked for it briefly on ebay but either didn't search correctly or it > was bought and de-listed when I looked. How many pages is it? Roughly > how many names in it? What did it finally sell for? > > Russ Sprague > Kensington, Maryland > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2003 8:14 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Poorhouse Records ALERT! > > Hello, > > I just wanted to let you know that I bid on the Poorhouse Records from > Ebay > and WON! > > Instead of keeping the book, I would like to return the book to Oswego > and > was wondering where this book should go to??? > > Let me know what you think. > > Diane > > > ==== NYOSWEGO Mailing List ==== > New York GenExchange > http://www.genexchange.com/state.cfm?state=ny > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > ==== NYOSWEGO Mailing List ==== > Northern New York History and Genealogy > www.nnygenealogy.com > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

That's very informative. Thanks for sending it. The guess that it was a 'poorhouse' is not true - it was more of a society for the benefit of widows and children of soldiers and sailors. Interesting. Russ Sprague Kensington, Maryland -----Original Message----- From: dorothy baker [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2003 12:14 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Women's Relief Camp Home in Chenango Co. OOPS. I got a "comma" in the URL instead of a "period." Try this. http://www.rootsweb.com/~ohlake/institutions/ohiocota.html Sorry about that. Dorothy ==== NYOSWEGO Mailing List ==== New York GenExchange http://www.genexchange.com/state.cfm?state=ny ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

This will generate some comments for some time. I would give it (or make a copy of it and give the copy to) the 'poorhouse lady' who has freely made many records from many states available to all on the internet. If you were to give it to her with the stipulation that she in turn donate it to an Oswego historical society, I'm betting she would accept that and that could also benefit many people. I looked for it briefly on ebay but either didn't search correctly or it was bought and de-listed when I looked. How many pages is it? Roughly how many names in it? What did it finally sell for? Russ Sprague Kensington, Maryland -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2003 8:14 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Poorhouse Records ALERT! Hello, I just wanted to let you know that I bid on the Poorhouse Records from Ebay and WON! Instead of keeping the book, I would like to return the book to Oswego and was wondering where this book should go to??? Let me know what you think. Diane ==== NYOSWEGO Mailing List ==== New York GenExchange http://www.genexchange.com/state.cfm?state=ny ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Rusty: Sorry Rusty--my e-mail address is not [email protected] . I don't know who you e-mailed but it was not me, and I did not get any e-mail from you. I really wanted that book as we have family in Oswego from that time frame, but it got too expensive for me. I would have given it to the Historical Society (after I finished going over it) as the lady that runs the place is a remarkable person. I have met her many times. The only reason I entered into the bidding in the first place was because of an alert from the "poorhouse lady" about the availability on e-bay. I did not know about it before hand, and would not have known about it without her alert. I had not gone into the e-bay site in quite awhile. Oh yes, I do know of a Dorothy Quebbeman but she died in early June. I daresay her daughter deleted your e-mail probably wondering what this was all about. That Dorothy lived in Indiana--I do not. Have I learned a lesson? Probably not. I will bid on something I want, whether I want it for myself or to donate to an organization. If I HAD received an e-mail alerting me to the fact that you or someone else wanted to donate it, I might have backed off, but then that isn't really fair to the person that had it to sell, is it? Dorothy

----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2003 12:35 AM Subject: Elijah H. Hale (Parker) - Volney, NY b. 1852 > > Seeking any information on Elijah, son of Henry Hale > (1826 - 1864) and Miriam (Chivers) Hale/Parker. > > Miriam married Linus Parker after Henry died. Elijah > would have been 13 years old. > > Miriam and Linus lived in Fulton, Oswego Co., NY > the last I've learned. > > Jerry Hale > Deltona, FL > I have no connection to these folks, but it appears that you may have portions/variations of their names: HOPE THIS HELPS - (Below links may wrap to next line... so make sure you get it all;-) http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/census/household_record.asp?HOUSEHOLD_CODE=1880US_11244800&HOUSEHOLD_SUB=1&frompage=5 Household: Name Relation Marital Status Gender Race Age Birthplace Occupation Father's Birthplace Mother's Birthplace Isaac HALE Self M Male W 23 NY Laborer ENGLAND ENG Hattie HALE Wife M Female W 24 NY Keeping House NY NY ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Source Information: Census Place Volney, Oswego, New York Family History Library Film 1254915 NA Film Number T9-0915 Page Number 248D LIVING NEXT DOOR IS HIS MOTHER & SISTER: http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/census/household_record.asp?HOUSEHOLD_CODE=1880US_11244801&HOUSEHOLD_SUB=1&frompage=5 Household: Name Relation Marital Status Gender Race Age Birthplace Occupation Father's Birthplace Mother's Birthplace Linus PARKER Self M Male W 71 MA Farmer MA VT Miriam PARKER Wife M Female W 52 ENGLAND Keeping House ENG ENG William HALL Other S Male W 20 NY Laborer NY NY Emily C. HALE SDau S Female W 17 NY At Home ENG ENG ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Source Information: Census Place Volney, Oswego, New York Family History Library Film 1254915 NA Film Number T9-0915 Page Number 248D SOME ARE BURIED AT MT. PLEASANT WESTERN CEMETERY, VOLNEY, OSWEGO CO., N. Y.: http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyoswego/cemeteries/mtpleasntwestvol3.html HALE Harriette Jan 30, 1855 Volney, NY Feb 27, 1931 dau of Giles HAWKS & Harriett HOLLISTER; wife of Isaac L. HALE, m: 1/30/1879 Vital Records - Fulton HALE Henry b. May 28, 1826 d. Nov 14, 1864 husb of Miriam Marion CHINES; Civil War Vet: wounded at Cedar Creek 10/19/1864; brought home & died 11/14/1864. Co.A, 184th NY Vol HALE Imogene b. Sept 5, 1880 Volney, NY d. Sept 21,1885 dau of Isaac L. HALE & Harriet HAWKS Vital Records - Fulton HALE Isaac L. b. Apr 28, 1857 d. June 30, 1936 son of Henry HALE & Marian CHINES; husb of Harriette HAWKS, M: 1/30/1879 (VRV) Vital Records of Volney HALE Joseph M. d. Mar 11, 1855 son of Henry HALE & Marian CHINES; aged 7m,14d HALE Miriam b. Nov 5, 1826 d. Aug 21, 1886 dau of unk. CHINES; wife of Henry HALE http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyoswego/cemeteries/mtpleasntwestvol5.html WRIGHT Carrie b. Sept 26, 1884 dau of Isaac L. HALE & Hattie HAWKS; wife of Harold A. WRIGHT, m: 8/19/1912 (VRV) (VRV) Vital Records of Volney WRIGHT Elliot Hale b. June 25, 1916 d. Mar 6, 1979 son of Harold Aaron WRIGHT & Carrie HALE; husb of Joyce May DISTIN, m:6/28/1948 WRIGHT Harold Aaron b. Jan 3, 1885 d. Dec 19, 1969 son of Samuel WRIGHT & Lillian BAKER: husb of Carrie HALE, m: 8/19/1912 (VRV) NORTH VOLNEY CEMETERY, TOWN OF VOLNEY, OSWEGO CO., N.Y. http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyoswego/cemeteries/northvolneypt2.html HANKS, AMOS (believe Giles h/o Harriet) Died: January 10, 1883 Age: 63 years Wife: Harriet Hollister Believe cemetery record has this as Giles Hawks lot 70 Buried May 13, 1883 Age: 63 years HAWKS, HARRIET HENRIETTA (HOLLISTER) 1818 1899 lot 71 Died: December 15, 1899 Born: Palermo, NY Age: 81 years Father: Hilander Hollister Conn Mother: Lur Bradley Conn (Vital Records Fulton) HAWKS, MARY No date (DAR Records)

Seeking any information on Elijah, son of Henry Hale (1826 - 1864) and Miriam (Chivers) Hale/Parker. Miriam married Linus Parker after Henry died. Elijah would have been 13 years old. Miriam and Linus lived in Fulton, Oswego Co., NY the last I've learned. Jerry Hale Deltona, FL ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Dorothy ([email protected]), Had you opened my personal E-mail (dated 3 Jul 2003) to you and read it (rather than simply deleting it without reading it) you would have found that I too was bidding on the Oswego Charity Records for the purpose of donating it to an appropriate repository. In your haste to delete mail (that even had the valid subject line, "Oswego Charity Book"), you pushed the price of the book up substantially. I think, if you go back and read your recently deleted mail, you will see that about which I am speaking. I finally dropped out of the bidding as I determined (correctly) that you were not going to respond to anyone...so that we might have purchased the book at a more reasonable price. I had contacted Linda Crannell, (The Poorhouse Lady)...and as you can see from her correspondence, she tried to inform you and others. I am happy that it was purchased with the intent to preserve it. But I think that had you contacted Linda up front, it could have been done at less cost. Hope this is a lesson to all. Sincerely, Rusty Okoniewski Orlando, FL

I also believe the best location for the Poorhouse Record book is at the Oswego County Records Center. Barbara dix is the Oswego County Historian. The Oswego County Genealogy Society has their headquarters at the Records Center. Here's a link to their website. <A HREF="http://community.syracuse.com/cc/OCGS">http://community.syracuse.com/cc/OCGS</A> Thanks for keeping Oswego County Records in Oswego County! Anne Ruggeri