Both of these deeds are the same property even though the wording is different. Is Mercy Hoff in 1769 the same as ??Manglen Minthorne? 1769 NY, Orange Deed Book C p 527 14 Jun 1769 or in 9th year of the rign Sovereign George 3rd James Sayre of Oxford, New Cornwall, Orange, NY to Mercy Hoff of Blooming Grove, New Cornwall, Orange, NY (price) for natural love and affection of Mercy Hoff and for better maintenance and support land in Blooming Grove, New Cornwall Beg NW corner of Thomas Mapes and in the ? Mapes deceased running along southerly line of Henry Brewster 44 rods E45C 2 rods parallel with the line of lot then N11C to land of Rev'd Enos Ayers NW along line of said Enos Ayers, dc'd, 45.5c to place of beg. Containing 50 acres of land along Kings Road signed James Sayre following the deed there is a release from Susan Sayre wife of James Sayre for 10 shillings releases property to Mercy Hoff Then it has written below interview that deed recorded 28 Jan 1777 next deed involve same property and it again is being sold by James Sayre not Mercy Hoff 16 Dec 1776 James Sayre, yeoman, of the Precinct of Cornwall, Orange, Colony of State of NY to ??Manglen Minthorne and John Staples of the same place 10 shillings land in Blooming Grove Beg NW corner of Thomas Mapes land next to Rev'd Enos Ayers dec'd southerly along land of Henry Brewster 11 C E45c 50 links parallel line of lot N11c to land of Enos Ayers NW along line of Enos Ayers, dec'd 45c 50 links containing 50 acres signed James Sayre interviewed recorded 28 Jan 1777 Found some research on a James Sayre b 1720 d 1890 married 1748 New Canann, Fairfield, CT a Susanna Seely b 1730 d 1807 Horseheads, Chemung, NY had a child Mercy Ann Sayre 1771 in Goshen, Orange, NY and there is a Mercy Seely b 1754 in Goshen d 10 Jun 1805 in Horseheads, Chemung, NY married James Sayre b 2 Mar 1750 Goshen d 1826 in Horseheads, Chemung, NY Neither of these people could be Mercy Hoff getting property of love and affection in 1769. Any ideas? Judy Ullman

Gee- I sure hope this was a typo-or that I had just a bit of those longevitygenes:<))) Found some research on a James Sayre b 1720 d 1890 married 1748 NewCanann, Fairfield, CT a Susanna Seely b 1730 d 1807 Horseheads, Chemung, NYhad a child Mercy Ann Sayre 1771 in Goshen, Orange, NY Peggie in OR -- No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.16/551 - Release Date: 11/25/200610:55 AM

Mangle Minthorne and John Staples were NYC merchants, brothers in law, with loyalist leanings. When the British occupied NYC, they apparently fled to New Cornwall where they bought farms. Later they returned to NYC during the occupation and the farms were sequestered by the Patriots. After the war they tried to get the rents which others had paid on the farms returned to them but without success; the State legislature finally rejected their pleas in the 1790s. Minthorne went on to become a New York City Alderman, Tammany leader, and father-in-law of Daniel D. Tompkins twice Governor of NY and twice VP of the US under Monroe. You can get their story in my Minthorne Family in NY Families at www.popenoe.com. Mangle Minthorne was probably related to Capt. John Minthorne who lived in Warwick and fought with the militia during the Revolution, though I have not be able to prove it. The Sayres are detailed in Banta's "Lineage of Thomas Sayre" 1901. Thomas of Southhampton had a grandson, Job, father of James Sayre who was up in Cornwall, later moved to Goshen where he married Susanna Seely, daughter of Ebenezer Seely, one of the two half-brothers from Stamford, CT who started the Seely line in Orange County. They were prominent in Blooming Grove. Another grandson, Thomas, married Susannah Seely, daughter of Samuel Seely, the other Seely half-brother and they moved to Warwick where he had a mill. Thomas Mapes had a daughter Mary, 1738-1821, who married another James Sayre, cousin of the first. They lived on the road from Chester to Florida. He must have moved down from Cornwall also. Gets complicated doesn't it? Anyway, the James Sayre of our interest was born 3 Jan 1719/20 and died before 1790, not 1890 and was buried in Blooming Grove. His widow took her family to Newtown, south of Elmira and in 1792 moved up to Horseheads, about 6 miles north of Elmira. I don't know anything about Mercy Hoff. Ebenezer Seely had a daughter Mercy and there were several by that name around in the family so that might be where she comes from. Obviously a relative of some kind. Have fun! Oliver Popenoe -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 9:23 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [NYORANGE] James & Susanna Sayre Mercy Hoff John Staples Enos AyersThomas Mapes Both of these deeds are the same property even though the wording is different. Is Mercy Hoff in 1769 the same as ??Manglen Minthorne? 1769 NY, Orange Deed Book C p 527 14 Jun 1769 or in 9th year of the rign Sovereign George 3rd James Sayre of Oxford, New Cornwall, Orange, NY to Mercy Hoff of Blooming Grove, New Cornwall, Orange, NY (price) for natural love and affection of Mercy Hoff and for better maintenance and support land in Blooming Grove, New Cornwall Beg NW corner of Thomas Mapes and in the ? Mapes deceased running along southerly line of Henry Brewster 44 rods E45C 2 rods parallel with the line of lot then N11C to land of Rev'd Enos Ayers NW along line of said Enos Ayers, dc'd, 45.5c to place of beg. Containing 50 acres of land along Kings Road signed James Sayre following the deed there is a release from Susan Sayre wife of James Sayre for 10 shillings releases property to Mercy Hoff Then it has written below interview that deed recorded 28 Jan 1777 next deed involve same property and it again is being sold by James Sayre not Mercy Hoff 16 Dec 1776 James Sayre, yeoman, of the Precinct of Cornwall, Orange, Colony of State of NY to ??Manglen Minthorne and John Staples of the same place 10 shillings land in Blooming Grove Beg NW corner of Thomas Mapes land next to Rev'd Enos Ayers dec'd southerly along land of Henry Brewster 11 C E45c 50 links parallel line of lot N11c to land of Enos Ayers NW along line of Enos Ayers, dec'd 45c 50 links containing 50 acres signed James Sayre interviewed recorded 28 Jan 1777 Found some research on a James Sayre b 1720 d 1890 married 1748 New Canann, Fairfield, CT a Susanna Seely b 1730 d 1807 Horseheads, Chemung, NY had a child Mercy Ann Sayre 1771 in Goshen, Orange, NY and there is a Mercy Seely b 1754 in Goshen d 10 Jun 1805 in Horseheads, Chemung, NY married James Sayre b 2 Mar 1750 Goshen d 1826 in Horseheads, Chemung, NY Neither of these people could be Mercy Hoff getting property of love and affection in 1769. Any ideas? Judy Ullman ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message