Janet, many thanks for your reply which seems to include "my" Conklin family. Re the marriage date for James and Hannah u mentioned. What was the source of that record and were any parents names mentioned? > I saw a marriage date of 4 Apr 1878 in Goshen, Orange, New York for > James CONKLIN and Hannah LEWIS ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > 1900 Highlands, Orange, New York > CONKLIN, James Sep 1839 NY parents NY > Ellsworth Apr 1874 > Lizzie Apr 1886 > Louis R. Apr 1888 I have my Isabella Conklin born in April 1886 so it looks maybe that Lizzie is Isabella. 2nd name perhaps. Is this entry from the 1900 Census?? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > 1880 Dist #22, Monroe, Orange, New York > CONKLIN, Martin 57 > Deborah 57 > James 35 > Hannah 30 > Henrietta 14 > I think that it is Martin CONKLIN and Deborah BABCOCK but I have no > Again I presume this is the 1880 Census, though the age for James is a bit out. On this reckoning he should have been born abt 1845 but it looks good. Is it possible to seen any of these records easily online or do I have to suscribe to Ancestry.com etc??? Mike Greatorex Harrogate, England. Looking for Greatorex's in North Notts, Sheffield, Orange Co, NY, USA and Alabama. http://www.freewebs.com/greatorexfamily/