Hi Ann, Wow! What a nice quick answer. I live in Salt Lake County, so I have access to the FHL. There I discovered, just by chance!, the book "Personal Records of the Brick Presbyterian Church in NYC 1809-1908" (FHL Book US/CAN 974.71 K28k). I had been going on the possibility that Jennett's last name was Halsey because of the naming patterns with the two known Joseph Halseys in the family (Joseph Halsey Conklin and Joseph Halsey Ryan, being namesakes I'm sure for the Revolutionary War General Joseph Halsey. And did you know that famed Admiral Halsey from the Pacific Theater in World War II is also a decendant from the General?). The Brick book did not give Jennett's maiden name, but showed birthdates and baptism dates for three of their children. But following advice to focus on the Presbyterian records in NYC, I learned about Brick's "spin-off" from First Presbyterian. So working backwards from 1809 when the split-off took place in First Presbyterian's records (FHL microfilms 1017607, 08, & 09) I found the two December 7, 1804 baptisms. I almost passed it off because I was looking for a Joseph Conklin and Jennett Halsey, and this said Jennett Monell, a last name I have never heard before. But something stopped me dead in my tracks and said go back, this is it. A Joseph Conklin-Jennett anything was too uncommon to just brush aside. I knew of the rarity of the combination because I had compiled a spreadsheet for all NYC Conklins from the city directories spanning from 1784 to 1845. I found Baker's book Monell Genealogy on-line, I think through Ancestry, and there was able to learn what I have learned about the Monell family. Though I don't have concrete proof yet that Joseph and Jennett Monell Conklin are the parents of my 3ggm Caroline M. Conklin Ryan, and that Jennett is the daughter of Lt. James Monell of Orange Co., I believe that my assumptions about the formation of these family lines are the best ones that have been postulated despite the presence of final confirming information. I appreciate your interest! Hope to hear again from you soon. Chris [email protected] On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 23:03:28 -0400 "Ann Brown" <[email protected]> writes: > Chris, > > I am connected to the Halsey's at 1st Presby of NYC and had some of > the > Halsey's buried in the Brick Church yard and were moved to the > Halsey Tumb > at the Marble Cemetery. My line of girls were John Cook's > Daughters, > Jamima Cook Halsey wife of Jacob Halsey and Ann Cook Sloat wife of > Peter > Slote (printer) of NYC Where did you find your info about the 2 > churches in > NYC ? > > Ann Brown > > > On 6/16/07, Chris Miasnik <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I'm new to this list and thought maybe someone here might have > additional > > information on a recent find. I believe my 4th gg parents were > Joseph > > Conklin and Jennett Monell of NYC. Jennette Monell might have > been the > > daughter of Lt. James Monell and Sarah Janet Graham who had their > origins > > around Wallkill and Montgomery. As far as I can determine, they > were the > > only Monell family who moved from Orange Co. ca. 1785-1790 to NYC > , so if > > there were any Monell descendants in NYC in the erly 1800s, James > and > > Sarah were the likely source. > > > > I found a Joseph and Jennett Conklin at the Brick Presbyterian > Church in > > NYC between 1811 and 1814. Then I found them earlier with > Jennett's > > maiden name of Monell in 1804 at First Presbyterian in NYC, from > which > > Brick had split off in 1809. Joseph and Jennett had a daughter, > Adeline > > Conklin, baptized the same day at First Presbyterian as her > probable > > sister, Elizabeth Monell Morris (wife of Robert Morris) had their > own > > daughter, Sarah Ann Morris, baptized (7 Dec 1804). > > > > Does anyone have any records showing the Conklins and Monells > marrying in > > either Orange Co., or in NYC? I think it's Joseph's side from > which the > > Halsey name comes into play, but am not positive. Conklins with > the name > > Halsey are predominately from NJ and Orange Co. > > > > In Baker's book Monell Genealogy, he speculated on a spinster > named > > Jennett Monell being a daughter of Lt. James Monell (due to > Elizabeth > > Monell Morris' 1848 petition for a war pension based on her > father's > > service. There was a Jennett Monell who signed as a witness to > the > > petition, but "my" Jennett would have already been a widow under > the name > > Jennett Conklin. The spinster Jennett (b. abt 1774, of Newburgh) > was > > probably a daughter of Lt. Robert Monell (wife was Isabella > Graham), > > brother to "my" Lt. James Monell. Baker had secondarily > speculated about > > the spinster Jennett-Lt. Robert tie. Baker just guessed wrong by > picking > > Lt. James as the spinster's father instead. > > So: > > > > James Monell, b. abt 1743, Wallkill, m. Sarah Janet Graham, Orange > Co., > > b. abt 1751, (James' parents were George Monell and Jeanet Wherry; > you'll > > see the Jennett pattern) > > Children: > > Charles Monell, b. 1775, m. Mary Bogart > > Elizabeth Monell, b. 1777, m. ca. 1797 Robert Morris, b. 1773, > > Farmingdale, Monmouth, NJ > > Jennett Monell, b. abt 1780, m. Joseph Conklin (poss. 4ggps) > > James Monell, b. 1786, NYC, m. Charlotte Smith > > > > Joseph Conklin, b. ca. 1775, died bef 1820, and Jennett Monell, b. > ca. > > 1780, m. ca.1800 > > Children: > > Adeline Conklin, born 29 Apr 1803, chr. 7 Dec 1804, 1st > Presbyterian, NYC > > Joseph Halsey Conklin, b. 25 Nov 1807, chr. 16 June 1813/4 Brick > > Presbyterian, NYC > > Eliza Tileman (Talman?) Conklin, b. 31 Mar 1810, chr. 16 June > 1813/4 > > Brick Presbyterian, NYC, > > Phebe Wallace Conklin, b. 18 June 1812, chr. 16 June 1813/4 Brick > > Presbyterian, NYC > > prob. Caroline M. (?Monell?) Conklin, b. abt 1819, NYC (my 3 ggm, > for > > whose record of birth baptism I am also searching) > > > > Patrick Ryan, 1808, Ireland, m. Caroline M. Conklin in abt. 1837, > prob. > > NYC. > > Children: > > Morris Henry Ryan, b. 1838, NYC > > William Webb Ryan, b. 1841, NYC (2ggf) > > Caroline Janette Ryan, b. 1843, NYC > > Joseph Halsey Ryan, b. 1846, NYC > > Edward Pise Ryan, b. 1848, NYC > > Mary Eliza Ryan, b. 1851, NYC > > George Washington Ryan, b. 1854, NYC > > > > Please let me know if anyone can now tie me in to a specific > branch. > > > > Chris Miasnik > > [email protected] > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > Ann Brown " Cookie" > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi Chris, Appreciate your detailed info on Conklin/Halsey lines! Do you happen to relate to or have info re: a Daniel Conklin(b. 1765 East Hampton, Long Island NY) who mar an Isabel Lusk 1791 in Suffolk Co. NY? Believe his parents were Daniel and Abigail (Parsons) Conklin. On another line, have a possible Elizabeth Conklin (or Cornell) who mar an Isaac Travis bef 1787 Pleasant Valley, Dutchess Co.NY. Trying to figure out who Eliz parent's were. Will definitely look up the book you cite, and appreciate the reference! Suzanne in TN -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Chris Miasnik Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 11:49 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NYORANGE] Conklin-Monell Hi Ann, Wow! What a nice quick answer. I live in Salt Lake County, so I have access to the FHL. There I discovered, just by chance!, the book "Personal Records of the Brick Presbyterian Church in NYC 1809-1908" (FHL Book US/CAN 974.71 K28k). I had been going on the possibility that Jennett's last name was Halsey because of the naming patterns with the two known Joseph Halseys in the family (Joseph Halsey Conklin and Joseph Halsey Ryan, being namesakes I'm sure for the Revolutionary War General Joseph Halsey. And did you know that famed Admiral Halsey from the Pacific Theater in World War II is also a decendant from the General?). The Brick book did not give Jennett's maiden name, but showed birthdates and baptism dates for three of their children. But following advice to focus on the Presbyterian records in NYC, I learned about Brick's "spin-off" from First Presbyterian. So working backwards from 1809 when the split-off took place in First Presbyterian's records (FHL microfilms 1017607, 08, & 09) I found the two December 7, 1804 baptisms. I almost passed it off because I was looking for a Joseph Conklin and Jennett Halsey, and this said Jennett Monell, a last name I have never heard before. But something stopped me dead in my tracks and said go back, this is it. A Joseph Conklin-Jennett anything was too uncommon to just brush aside. I knew of the rarity of the combination because I had compiled a spreadsheet for all NYC Conklins from the city directories spanning from 1784 to 1845. I found Baker's book Monell Genealogy on-line, I think through Ancestry, and there was able to learn what I have learned about the Monell family. Though I don't have concrete proof yet that Joseph and Jennett Monell Conklin are the parents of my 3ggm Caroline M. Conklin Ryan, and that Jennett is the daughter of Lt. James Monell of Orange Co., I believe that my assumptions about the formation of these family lines are the best ones that have been postulated despite the presence of final confirming information. I appreciate your interest! Hope to hear again from you soon. Chris [email protected] On Sat, 16 Jun 2007 23:03:28 -0400 "Ann Brown" <[email protected]> writes: > Chris, > > I am connected to the Halsey's at 1st Presby of NYC and had some of > the Halsey's buried in the Brick Church yard and were moved to the > Halsey Tumb at the Marble Cemetery. My line of girls were John Cook's > Daughters, Jamima Cook Halsey wife of Jacob Halsey and Ann Cook Sloat > wife of Peter Slote (printer) of NYC Where did you find your info > about the 2 churches in NYC ? > > Ann Brown > > > On 6/16/07, Chris Miasnik <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I'm new to this list and thought maybe someone here might have > additional > > information on a recent find. I believe my 4th gg parents were > Joseph > > Conklin and Jennett Monell of NYC. Jennette Monell might have > been the > > daughter of Lt. James Monell and Sarah Janet Graham who had their > origins > > around Wallkill and Montgomery. As far as I can determine, they > were the > > only Monell family who moved from Orange Co. ca. 1785-1790 to NYC > , so if > > there were any Monell descendants in NYC in the erly 1800s, James > and > > Sarah were the likely source. > > > > I found a Joseph and Jennett Conklin at the Brick Presbyterian > Church in > > NYC between 1811 and 1814. Then I found them earlier with > Jennett's > > maiden name of Monell in 1804 at First Presbyterian in NYC, from > which > > Brick had split off in 1809. Joseph and Jennett had a daughter, > Adeline > > Conklin, baptized the same day at First Presbyterian as her > probable > > sister, Elizabeth Monell Morris (wife of Robert Morris) had their > own > > daughter, Sarah Ann Morris, baptized (7 Dec 1804). > > > > Does anyone have any records showing the Conklins and Monells > marrying in > > either Orange Co., or in NYC? I think it's Joseph's side from > which the > > Halsey name comes into play, but am not positive. Conklins with > the name > > Halsey are predominately from NJ and Orange Co. > > > > In Baker's book Monell Genealogy, he speculated on a spinster > named > > Jennett Monell being a daughter of Lt. James Monell (due to > Elizabeth > > Monell Morris' 1848 petition for a war pension based on her > father's > > service. There was a Jennett Monell who signed as a witness to > the > > petition, but "my" Jennett would have already been a widow under > the name > > Jennett Conklin. The spinster Jennett (b. abt 1774, of Newburgh) > was > > probably a daughter of Lt. Robert Monell (wife was Isabella > Graham), > > brother to "my" Lt. James Monell. Baker had secondarily > speculated about > > the spinster Jennett-Lt. Robert tie. Baker just guessed wrong by > picking > > Lt. James as the spinster's father instead. > > So: > > > > James Monell, b. abt 1743, Wallkill, m. Sarah Janet Graham, Orange > Co., > > b. abt 1751, (James' parents were George Monell and Jeanet Wherry; > you'll > > see the Jennett pattern) > > Children: > > Charles Monell, b. 1775, m. Mary Bogart Elizabeth Monell, b. 1777, > > m. ca. 1797 Robert Morris, b. 1773, Farmingdale, Monmouth, NJ > > Jennett Monell, b. abt 1780, m. Joseph Conklin (poss. 4ggps) James > > Monell, b. 1786, NYC, m. Charlotte Smith > > > > Joseph Conklin, b. ca. 1775, died bef 1820, and Jennett Monell, b. > ca. > > 1780, m. ca.1800 > > Children: > > Adeline Conklin, born 29 Apr 1803, chr. 7 Dec 1804, 1st > Presbyterian, NYC > > Joseph Halsey Conklin, b. 25 Nov 1807, chr. 16 June 1813/4 Brick > > Presbyterian, NYC Eliza Tileman (Talman?) Conklin, b. 31 Mar 1810, > > chr. 16 June > 1813/4 > > Brick Presbyterian, NYC, > > Phebe Wallace Conklin, b. 18 June 1812, chr. 16 June 1813/4 Brick > > Presbyterian, NYC prob. Caroline M. (?Monell?) Conklin, b. abt 1819, > > NYC (my 3 ggm, > for > > whose record of birth baptism I am also searching) > > > > Patrick Ryan, 1808, Ireland, m. Caroline M. Conklin in abt. 1837, > prob. > > NYC. > > Children: > > Morris Henry Ryan, b. 1838, NYC > > William Webb Ryan, b. 1841, NYC (2ggf) Caroline Janette Ryan, b. > > 1843, NYC Joseph Halsey Ryan, b. 1846, NYC Edward Pise Ryan, b. > > 1848, NYC Mary Eliza Ryan, b. 1851, NYC George Washington Ryan, b. > > 1854, NYC > > > > Please let me know if anyone can now tie me in to a specific > branch. > > > > Chris Miasnik > > [email protected] > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > Ann Brown " Cookie" > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message