Just a suggestion. I have just received my report for my DNA testing from DNA Consultants of Phoenix, AZ. I have to say, that I have worked with both agencies, and I have been extremely satisfied and impressed with the way DNA is approached by DNA Consultants. Their explanations are clear and concise. If you are beginning a new surname project consider them. They are great. Sue In a message dated 6/13/2009 7:53:28 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, k2mi@frontiernet.net writes: Thanks, Mark, for the tip on the reduced price for 37-marker DNA testing at FamilyTreeDNA.com. I just invited 2 other IRONS men to join those of us who are already in the IRONS DNA project. Marty Irons Goshen NY k2mi@frontiernet.net findagrave.com contributor since May 2007 member, Irons Y-DNA project at familytreedna.com May all your ancestors YELL at you, SCREAM at the top of their lungs, telling you how and where to find them. My kin must have been A.A. members - "Ancestors Anonymous". ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYORANGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Download the AOL Classifieds Toolbar for local deals at your fingertips. (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolclassifieds/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000004)

I have had a great experience with FTDNA. My mother taught biology, and I have always been fascinated by genetics, so understanding the results of my family members has never been a big issue for me, but I know from working as a volunteer project administrator with FTDNA that their customer service is excellent. So if a customer doesn't completely understand their results and doesn't have a project administrator or other expert outside the company able to answer their questions, all they need to do is send an e-mail or pick up the phone. Their website does also have a lot of information that people sometimes miss, but it is not really hard to find if one takes a little time to browse the site. One of the technical details that many people do not understand is that the total mutation rate for all the markers in a test is the prime determinant of the power of the test to resolve branches on their family tree. The higher that mutation rate, the better. FTDNA's 37 marker test uses faster markers than the set tested by companies that use the Sorenson Genomics lab to process their tests, making it superior to those tests, even the ones that use the full Sorenson Genomics set of 43 markers, which one company counts as a 46 marker set by counting 3 markers that most men do not even have. I would not start a surname project at a company that does not offer testing beyond the restricted set of Sorenson Genomics markers. Sometimes a family group has lots of close matches and needs to test more markers to get the maximum resolution possible for their family tree. With FTDNA, customers in such cases have the option of going beyond the 37 marker test to test 67 markers or order through their advanced orders system to try to resolve the branches on their family tree. Most have not found a need to order 67 or more markers, but as projects grow, more people are finding multiple cousins unconnected by paper trails, and the option of additional testing can often help them figure out which are most closely related. Kirsten On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 22:57:25 EDT, Goldsage wrote > Just a suggestion. I have just received my report for my DNA > testing from DNA Consultants of Phoenix, AZ. I have to say, that I > have worked with both agencies, and I have been extremely satisfied > and impressed with the way DNA is approached by DNA Consultants. > Their explanations are clear and concise. If you are beginning a > new surname project consider them. They are great. > > Sue > > In a message dated 6/13/2009 7:53:28 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > k2mi@frontiernet.net writes: > > Thanks, Mark, for the tip on the reduced price for 37-marker DNA > testing at FamilyTreeDNA.com. I just invited 2 other IRONS men > to join those of us who are already in the IRONS DNA project. > > Marty Irons > Goshen NY > k2mi@frontiernet.net > findagrave.com contributor since May 2007 > member, Irons Y-DNA project at familytreedna.com > > May all your ancestors YELL at you, > SCREAM at the top of their lungs, > telling you how and where to find them. > > My kin must have been A.A. members - "Ancestors Anonymous". > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYORANGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > **************Download the AOL Classifieds Toolbar for local deals > at your fingertips. > (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolclassifieds/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000004) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYORANGE- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message -- Open WebMail Project (http://openwebmail.org)

Not condemning them, but the biggest drawback I find with Sorenson also, is that you can't contact other folks that you have close matches with. This was, at least, how it was the last time I used their site. For our Farr project page, I have set up matching members in sub-groups. In my sub-group, we have all done 37 markers, and although some are exact matches, there are marker mis-matches, particularily in one family line. For whatever reason, that particular line carries the fast mutating markers. We do know tho, without going beyond 37 markers, that we are definitely related, as there is a paper trail of primary doc's for those in the South. Others in the Project have found through the testing, that they are more aligned with other surnames, which has opened a whole new door of truth for them. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "kirswill" <kirswill@chesapeakenet.com> To: <nyorange@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2009 6:28 AM Subject: Re: [NYORANGE] reduced price DNA testing > I would not start a surname project at a company that does not offer > testing > beyond the restricted set of Sorenson Genomics markers. Sometimes a family > group has lots of close matches and needs to test more markers to get the > maximum resolution possible for their family tree. With FTDNA, customers > in > such cases have the option of going beyond the 37 marker test to test 67 > markers or order through their advanced orders system to try to resolve > the > branches on their family tree. Most have not found a need to order 67 or > more > markers, but as projects grow, more people are finding multiple cousins > unconnected by paper trails, and the option of additional testing can > often > help them figure out which are most closely related.

I have also noticed from communications with project members, that there are some who are not sure how to interpret their results. With Tim Farr and myself, we try to respond with explanations that members can understand. I think some people are hesitant to have testing done, as they don't believe that they will understand how to use their results to an advantage in their research. I have found that it's best to explain things in "layman's" terms, as all the "techy" terms only scare and confuse people. For me, I knew very little about DNA when I did my testing, but I was glad that I ordered a kit. My Farr folks were in CT 1740's, then Dutchess, then Orange. I had no idea of their origins before CT. As a total shock to me, my results revealed I matched exact to Farr's in the South. From their extensive research, they know their ancestors came out of Ireland. We haven't determined the common link for their Farr's and mine in doc's, but the testing provided a big lead for me to explore. It was well worth the testing costs at the time, and it was well more than $119. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Goldsage@aol.com> To: <nyorange@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2009 10:57 PM Subject: Re: [NYORANGE] reduced price DNA testing > Just a suggestion. I have just received my report for my DNA testing > from > DNA Consultants of Phoenix, AZ. I have to say, that I have worked with > both agencies, and I have been extremely satisfied and impressed with the > way > DNA is approached by DNA Consultants. Their explanations are clear and > concise. If you are beginning a new surname project consider them. They > are > great.