Alan, The person I lost contact with has not replied yet. There are many, many people researching MAPES in Orange County. I'd suggest you post what you see on nyorange list - that way more than one person will see it - or write to OCGS, 101 Main St, Goshen NY 10924. If you do write to OCGS, please be concise and to the point. General questions get general answers, and most people want specific answers to specific questions. Good luck. Marty