I'm brand new to this list, but I hope someone can help me with information on Elias Cameron SNYDER. He was born in Pennsylvania on December 20, 1877 to Enos and Sarah Cameron SNYDER, and he died in Germantown, Port Jervis, Orange County, New York on September 16, 1893. According to a newspaper clipping I have, he was riding on the front end of a train and fell off. Several cars passed over him, inflicting internal injuries which caused his death a few hours later. I would like to know where Elias is buried, and I'd like to have a copy of his death certificate. Are death certificates available somewhere in Orange County? I know I can get the death certificate from Albany, but they take forever. Judy Cuyle

Hello, Judy - By all means, IF there is a death certificate for young Mr Snyder - get it from the Dept of Health in Albany. Since it's the death was 1893, there should legally be a certificate for him. Many places in NYS dragged their heels about compliance, though I haven't heard of PJ doing so. Local Town Clerks do NOT retain original vital records. They record a summarized version of the info in their books and forward the real document on. Getting the "death certificate" from the Town Clerk will net you a form letter, with a dab of this summary info typed in, at the same price that Albany charges for the true copy. I learned this the hard way early on when I got my mom's "birth certificate" from the Port Jervis Town Clerk. In addition to being a form letter on very flimsy paper, it was stamped all over at random with a red "genealogy only" stamp. Hardly at all classy! Was your guy an Erie employee? You might check Jim Sponholz's site dedicated to the memory of Erie employees. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~sponholz/erie.html There are several Snyders/Sniders listed and from my family's example, multiple members of the same family went to work on the Erie: Erie Railroad Employee Rosters: Snyder    A.C.    Engineer    Port Jervis, NY Snyder    Charles A.    Engineer    Port Jervis, NY Snyder    Charles W.    Engineer   Port Jervis, NY http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~sponholz/erie1899ns.html Hornell shops: Snyder    Evelyn    Sheetmetal Worker Helper    11/3/1926 Snyder    Henry    Machinist    1/24/1926 Snyder    Joseph    Machinist    1/4/1927 Snyder    W.B.    Sheetmetal Worker    2/10/1927 http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~sponholz/HornellSZ.html Erie Railroad Magazine: Snider    Edward    Acting Agent    Orangeburg, NY    Snider    G.J.    Yard Clerk    Youngstown, OH Snider    G.J.    Yard Clerk    Youngstown, OH Snider    G.J.    Youngstown, OH    Yard Snider    G.J.    Chief Clerk    Youngstown, OH    Snider    G.J.    Chief Clerk    Youngstown, OH Snider    G.J.    Chief Clerk    Youngstown, OH Snider    G.J.    Chief Clerk    Youngstown, OH    Snider    G.J.    Chief Clerk    Youngstown, OH Snider    G.J.    Chief Clerk    Youngstown, OH  Snider    G.J.    Youngstown, OH Snider    G.J.    Youngstown, OH Snider    G.J.    General Yard Master    Youngstown, OH Snider    G.J.    General Yardmaster Snider    George  Youngstown, OH Snider    George    Chief Clerk    Youngstown, OH Snider    George    Chief Clerk    Youngstown, OH    Snider    George   Youngstown, OH Snider    George    General Yardmaster    Youngstown, OH  Snider    George J.    General Yardmaster    Youngstown, OH    Snider    George J.    General Yardmaster    Youngstown, OH Snider    George J.    General Yardmaster    Brier Hill, OH  Snider    H.A.    Agent    Park Ridge Snider    H.A.    Agent    Park Ridge, NJ   Snider    Harry A.    Retired Agent    Unk. Snider    J.    Susquehanna, PA Snider    James B.    Yard Conductor    Youngstown, OH   Snider    William    Messenger    Youngstown, OH http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~sponholz/alleriesmitka.html Erie Railroad Photos Snider    G.J.    General Yardmaster    Brier Hill Yard    Youngstown, OH Snider    George J.    General Yardmaster    Brier Hill Yard    Youngstown, OH Snyder    C.    Engine Dispatcher Dept.    Jersey City, NJ http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~sponholz/miscphoto2.html There are more lists on the site that you can look through, too. it's a bit of a jumble, so be thorough in your exploration. If your guy WAS an Erie employee, Mr Sponholz will be thrilled to get any info from you to add to his site. The obit & DC would be perfect additions. Patience, though, it's a modest one-man site and it can take months for him to get back to you. "Germantown" is the section of Port Jervis near where the Roundhouse is today. An "other side of the tracks" kind of neighborhood, literally. Yours, Julia --- On Fri, 1/29/10, Bill & Judy Cuyle <bjcuyle@lightlink.com> wrote: ...information on Elias Cameron SNYDER... Judy

Thanks for the fast response Julia. I'll send to Albany for Elias' death certificate. We used to be able to get 'Xerox' copies of birth and death certificates from our Health Department. Recently I got two 'death certificates', but all I got was a typed summary, as you say you get in Orange County. I think they were only $10 each, though. Do you think there might be an obituary for Elias in the microfilmed copies of the Port Jervis newspapers at the Port Jervis Public Library? I'd be glad to pay for a copy of one, if someone would look for me. Elias worked for the Port Jervis Glass Works, and the newspaper clipping says he 'got on the front end of Engine 676 to ride to his work. He fell off and several cars passed over him, inflicting internal injuries...' Bill's grandfather worked for Erie, and I have corresponded with Jim Sponholz about him. Jim sent me a copy of the cover and page of the Erie magazine containing information about James A. Snyder's retirement. The J. Snider from Susquehanna, PA you list under the Erie Railroad Magazine is probably him. He is the only one of our Snyders to work for the railroad, as far as I know now. Thanks again. Judy At 06:23 PM 1/29/2010, you wrote: >Hello, Judy - > >By all means, IF there is a death certificate for young Mr Snyder - get it >from the Dept of Health in Albany. Since it's the death was 1893, there >should legally be a certificate for him. Many places in NYS dragged their >heels about compliance, though I haven't heard of PJ doing so. > >Local Town Clerks do NOT retain original vital records. They record a >summarized version of the info in their books and forward the real >document on. Getting the "death certificate" from the Town Clerk will net >you a form letter, with a dab of this summary info typed in, at the same >price that Albany charges for the true copy. > >I learned this the hard way early on when I got my mom's "birth >certificate" from the Port Jervis Town Clerk. In addition to being a form >letter on very flimsy paper, it was stamped all over at random with a red >"genealogy only" stamp. Hardly at all classy! > >Was your guy an Erie employee? You might check Jim Sponholz's site >dedicated to the memory of Erie employees. >http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~sponholz/erie.html > >There are several Snyders/Sniders listed and from my family's example, >multiple members of the same family went to work on the Erie: > >Erie Railroad Employee Rosters: >Snyder A.C. Engineer Port Jervis, NY >Snyder Charles A. Engineer Port Jervis, NY >Snyder Charles W. Engineer Port Jervis, NY >http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~sponholz/erie1899ns.html > >Hornell shops: >Snyder Evelyn Sheetmetal Worker Helper 11/3/1926 >Snyder Henry Machinist 1/24/1926 >Snyder Joseph Machinist 1/4/1927 >Snyder W.B. Sheetmetal Worker 2/10/1927 >http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~sponholz/HornellSZ.html > >Erie Railroad Magazine: >Snider Edward Acting Agent Orangeburg, NY >Snider G.J. Yard Clerk Youngstown, OH >Snider G.J. Yard Clerk Youngstown, OH >Snider G.J. Youngstown, OH Yard >Snider G.J. Chief Clerk Youngstown, OH >Snider G.J. Chief Clerk Youngstown, OH >Snider G.J. Chief Clerk Youngstown, OH >Snider G.J. Chief Clerk Youngstown, OH >Snider G.J. Chief Clerk Youngstown, OH >Snider G.J. Chief Clerk Youngstown, OH >Snider G.J. Youngstown, OH >Snider G.J. Youngstown, OH >Snider G.J. General Yard Master Youngstown, OH >Snider G.J. General Yardmaster >Snider George Youngstown, OH >Snider George Chief Clerk Youngstown, OH >Snider George Chief Clerk Youngstown, OH >Snider George Youngstown, OH >Snider George General Yardmaster Youngstown, OH >Snider George J. General Yardmaster Youngstown, OH >Snider George J. General Yardmaster Youngstown, OH >Snider George J. General Yardmaster Brier Hill, OH >Snider H.A. Agent Park Ridge >Snider H.A. Agent Park Ridge, NJ >Snider Harry A. Retired Agent Unk. >Snider J. Susquehanna, PA >Snider James B. Yard Conductor Youngstown, OH >Snider William Messenger Youngstown, OH >http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~sponholz/alleriesmitka.html > >Erie Railroad Photos >Snider G.J. General Yardmaster Brier Hill Yard Youngstown, OH >Snider George J. General Yardmaster Brier Hill Yard Youngstown, OH >Snyder C. Engine Dispatcher Dept. Jersey City, NJ >http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~sponholz/miscphoto2.html > >There are more lists on the site that you can look through, too. it's a >bit of a jumble, so be thorough in your exploration. If your guy WAS an >Erie employee, Mr Sponholz will be thrilled to get any info from you to >add to his site. The obit & DC would be perfect additions. Patience, >though, it's a modest one-man site and it can take months for him to get >back to you. > >"Germantown" is the section of Port Jervis near where the Roundhouse is >today. An "other side of the tracks" kind of neighborhood, literally. > >Yours, Julia