Dear Folks, I sent the Carpenter/Wheeler question to my Carpenter of the Carpenter rootsweb list and got the enclosed reply, but first: I have an interest in this because I am trying to prove/find the identity of the parents of my elusive Moses Carpenter, who was reported to have been the son of John Carpenter and Ruth Coe, of Jamaica to Goshen, Orange Co. NY. AB Carpenter book cites a 1735 marriage, but does not prove sources. OK, abstract of Orange Co. deed May 1, 1792 MOSES CARPENTER, yeoman and wife HANNAH (nee Smith) of Warwick to JOEL and NATHANIEL WHEELER, yeomen of Warwick. Property located near Mt. Eve, late of JOHN WISNER, deceased, par of estate of said JOHN WISNER, NE corner of JW, deceased, commonly called Lewises (?) farm. Witnesses: ABSOLON TOWNSEND and WILLIAM THOMPSON Recorded 4/19/1793 The mortgage for this property was Orange Co. Mortgage Vol A pg 353,4and5. June 2, 1783 From MOSES CARPENTER of Goshen and HANNAH, his wife, to CHRISTIAN MORRIS, JACOB MORRIS, and SARAH MORRIS of Or. Co. (My research indicates that JANE EVERETT was their mother and she was had previously been married to JACOB MORRIS, (m 1759 Trinity Ch. NY,NY, IGI) and .Chauncery Ct. NY, Guardianship, Sureties at that time: ABSALON TOWNSEND and THOMAS MOORE). I believe that JANE was the sister of MICHAEL DEKAY. Could these be the same CARPENTER, WHEELER, AND TOWNSEND families? Anyone know the connections/differences? Phoebe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ Dear Phoebe, Hello to your NYQUEENS Forum from the CARPENTER Forum. Below is what I have on the Wheelers marrying Carpenters in that local and time. I have the ancestry and families on each Carpenter mentioned. More than happy to share data. As you can see in notes, the discussion has been brought up before. John R. Carpenter La Mesa, CA ************************************************* Descendants of WHEELER-22684 First Generation 1. WHEELER-22684 was born about 1725 in NY. He had the following children: + 2 M i. Joshua WHEELER-22683 was born about 1749. + 3 M ii. Eliphalet WHEELER-22685 was born about 1752. 4 M iii. Solomon WHEELER-22686 was born about 1749/1753 in NY. Probably belongs in this family. Solomon married (1) Rachel TOWNSEND-26811, daughter of Jonadab TOWNSEND-22473 and Martha CARLL-26809 about 1768/1770 in NY. Rachel was born about 1749/1753 in Hempstead, Queens, LI, NY. Second Generation 2. Joshua WHEELER-22683 was born about 1749 in NY. Joshua married (1) Nancy CARPENTER-22680, daughter of Stephen CARPENTER-5106 and Amy FIELD-5107 about 1770 in NY. Nancy was born about 1749 in Flushing, NY. !Number 173 in the book "The Carpenter Family in America" by Daniel H. Carpenter, 1901. She married a Wheeler, probably Joshus or Joshua Wheeler, who married Ann Carpenter, May 9, 1773, as per record of First Presbyterian Church, New York. He was a cordwainer (shoemaker). !E-MAIL: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 From: "Elizabeth V Brady" <BAYLADY@prodigy.net> Searching for the ancestry of the NANCY CARPENTER, born before 1763, who married JOSHUA WHEELER. They had a son ELEPHALET WHEELER who was born in 1780. I believe this CARPENTER family was from New York, possibly Westchester County. Betty REPLY: "Jack A Schoedinger" <j.schoedinger@juno.com> To: <BAYLADY@prodigy.net> Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2000 9:30 AM Subject: Re: [CARPENTER] Nancy Carpenter I do not have much on the Wheeler line. According to the information in my file Joshus Wheeler b. Abt 1763 had two brothers named Eliphalet and Solomon. Joshua Married Nancy Carpenter abt 1770, the daughter of Stephen and Amy (Field) Carpenter, (Stephen is a direct descendant of William Carpenter the founder of Providence, RI. as follows Stephen, of Thomas, of Joseph, of Joseph,of William). I have no record of children for them. However, approximately a year later Nancy's sister Mary married Joushua's brother Eliphalet and they had Eliphalet, Andrew, and three unnamed female children. My files on this family are in need of work so did not send gedcom, but I'm sure you will hear from others in the group. !E-MAIL: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 From: "Elizabeth V Brady" <BAYLADY@prodigy.net> ... Regarding your request for information on the descendants of Nancy Carpenter, here's what I have prior to the generation which takes us into living individuals, beyond which I've been asked not to go. I'd be happy to send you any additional documentation which you feel might be of help. Betty Descendants of Nancy Carpenter 1 Nancy CARPENTER b: Aft. 1738 . +Joshua WHEELER aka: Joseph WHEELER b: Bef. 1763 2 Eliphalet WHEELER b: 1780 d: 1866 .... +Mary Matilda VAN LIEUDAN aka: Mary Matilda VAN LEW b: 1784 d: 1836 .. 3 Mary Matilda WHEELER b: March 10, 1810 d: November 02, 1890 in 16 West 40th St., Manhattan, NYC, NY ...... +Charles GRIFFEN aka: Charles GRIFFIN b: May 20, 1800 in Mamaroneck, Westchester Co., NY m: 1827 d: July 25, 1831 in Mamaroneck, Westchester Co., NY .... 4 Ophelia Louise GRIFFEN aka: Ophie Louise GRIFFIN b: July 02, 1830 in New York City, NY d: April 25, 1867 in 446 5th Avenue, Manhatten, N.Y.C., NY ........ +George Henry BISSELL b: November 08, 1821 in Hanover, NH m: October 13, 1855 in Calvary Church, New York City, NY d: November 19, 1884 in 16 W. 40th St., New York City, NY ....... 5 Florence Wemple BISSELL b: January 11, 1857 in New York d: November 26, 1912 in of 26 West 84th St., Manhattan, N.Y.C., NY ........... +Charles Slason PLATT b: December 07, 1846 m: June 02, 1887 d: November 28, 1923 in New York City, NY ....... 5 Pelham St. George BISSELL, I, Rev., AM, AKC aka: GUBBY b: December 05, 1858 in New York City, NY d: April 02, 1918 in 254 Montgomery St., Jersey City, NJ ........... +Helen Alsop FRENCH aka: GAR b: February 12, 1865 in Stapleton, Staten Island, NY m: June 07, 1886 in Trinity Chapel, New York City, NY d: June 25, 1930 in 101 South Long Beach Ave., Village of Freeport, Long Island, NY ......... 6 Pelham St. George BISSELL, II, Justice aka: Hon. Pelham St. George BISSELL, Jr. b: April 11, 1887 in New York City, NY d: September 08, 1943 in of 270 Park Avenue, Manhatten, NYC, NY ............. +Mary Valentine Yale BISSELL aka: May BISSELL b: April 23, 1889 in 43 West 52 Street, New York City, NY m: November 10, 1910 in Columbia, SC d: January 28, 1948 in 128 Willow St., Brooklyn Heights, NY Joshua and Nancy had the following children: 5 M i. Elephalet WHEELER-63604 was born about 1780. 3. Eliphalet WHEELER-22685 was born about 1752 in NY. Eliphalet married (1) Mary CARPENTER-22682, daughter of Stephen CARPENTER-5106 and Amy FIELD-5107 about 1771 in NY. Mary was born about 1753 in Flushing, NY. !Number 175 in the book "The Carpenter Family in America" by Daniel H. Carpenter, 1901. She married and had sons Adrew and Eliphalet Wheeler and daughters Mrs. Wells, Mrs. Griffin and Mrs. Middleton, all of New York. Eliphalet and Mary had the following children: 6 M i. Andrew WHEELER-22687 was born about 1773 in NY. 7 M ii. Eliphalet WHEELER-22688 was born about 1775 in NY. 8 F iii. WHEELER-22689 was born about 1777 in NY. First name unknown, but she married a Wells. WHEELER married (1) WELLS-22692 about 1790 in NY. WELLS was born about 1777 in NY. 9 F iv. WHEELER-22690 was born about 1779 in NY. First name unknown, but she married a Griffin. WHEELER married (1) GRIFFIN-22693 about 1791 in NY. GRIFFIN was born about 1779 in NY. 10 F v. WHEELER-22691 was born about 1781 in NY. First name unknown, but she married a Middleton. WHEELER married (1) MIDDLETON-22694 about 1792 in NY. MIDDLETON was born about 1781 in NY. Index Name ID Generation CARPENTER, Mary 3S 2 CARPENTER, Nancy 2S 2 GRIFFIN, 9S 3 MIDDLETON, 10S 3 TOWNSEND, Rachel 4S 2 WELLS, 8S 3 WHEELER, 1 1 WHEELER, 8 3 WHEELER, 9 3 WHEELER, 10 3 WHEELER, Andrew 6 3 WHEELER, Elephalet 5 3 WHEELER, Eliphalet 3 2 WHEELER, Eliphalet 7 3 WHEELER, Joshua 2 2 WHEELER, Solomon 4 2 **************************************************** MzCortez@aol.com wrote: > > Return-Path: <NYQUEENS-L-request@rootsweb.com> > Reply-To: "Elizabeth V Brady" <BAYLADY@prodigy.net> > From: "Elizabeth V Brady" <BAYLADY@prodigy.net> > Old-To: <Jim@NYCgen.com> > Resent-Sender: NYQUEENS-L-request@rootsweb.com > > Yesterday the surname CARPENTER came up for discussion. I wonder if anyone > has a record of a NANCY CARPENTER who married JOSHUA WHEELER. They had a > son ELEPHALET WHEELER who was born in 1780. > > Betty