Dear Debbie, For the sake of continuity I will leave our communication on this, for sake of rootsweb, I will cut it off and hope interested folks can back track to the Carpenter/Wheeler, etc. My records are mostly from the Wisners in America book, which is available on microfilm, LDS and which is also available in the locked room of the Goshen Library. Capt. John Wisner, Sr. b 1718 or 1722 d 1778 Orange Co. son of Hendrick and Mary (Shaw) Wisner married Anne or Anna (believe to by Jayne, dau of Wm. and Elizabeth (Woodhull?) Jayne. Ch: Lt. Col Henry b. 1742 d. 1812 m Susannah Goldsmith , Emma W. Wisner (? who is that), Caroline J. Barnes. (I have a listing of his ch. and marriages which includes a son: Jeffrey 1769-1855 m. (looks like SLY WHEELER and Elizabeth Armstrong) (other of Henry's children marriage surenames included: Raynor, Bertholf, Owens, Board and Houston) Wm b 1745 (1741) d 1830 m Elizabeth ROE (3 ch listed, one, Anna Roe Wisner m. Richard Burt Edsall - if I remember right one of the Goshen Carpenter's married a Burt) Capt. John Jr. (my line) by 1747 d 1811 m. Mary Thompson - 8 ch (none of these listed in his will, as I understand it) m. Sarah Hall 6 children Asa d. 1830 m. ELIZABETH VANDERHOOF on Dec. 24, 1774 (from Wisner book chart) more could be written in the book, but I do not have any more information in my notes) Anne or Anna m. Richard Doudle Charity (no further info) Hannah m. John Benedict ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ OK, next generation: John Wisner, Jr. (above) m. Mary Thompson dau of (we think) James Thompson and Marah McDowell (old family records which I transcribed indicate this) Ch: Temperance m. 1. Cornelias VANDERHOOF, m. 2. Calvin Shepherd Mary m 1. Jacob VANDERHOOF, m.2. JAMES VANDERHOOF James m. 1. Elizabeth Runyon Carpenter (my line) m. 2 Hannah Moore (prob a widow) Col. Moses m. Dorthy Howell Anna m . Gabriel Post, (maybe 2. Zared Mosher) Hannah m James Van Houten Eleanor m David Post Sarah m. Peter Eastman ch. of Sarah m. 1789 John M. m Marie M. Pitts Wm Henry m. Emily Wood Robert L. m Anna Carr, Mary Owens Eliza m. Abraham Miller Clarissa m. _____ Taylor Asa m. Susan Kinner -- I have a copy of an old letter dated 10/7/1936 sent to Mrs. hj. C. Voss, Albany, Oregon which in part states that pension claim # R. 11744 re. John Wisner (Jr.)..."john Wisner married, date not given, ___ Thompson, given name not stated, who died in the uyear 1788. Reference was made to their ch. as follows: Moses..Anna b nov. 1768, and in 1862 living in Wantage, Sessex County, New Jersey when she signed Anna Post, and Hannah, in who in 1852 was aged eighty-two years, resideing in Warwick, New York, and signed HANNAH VANHOUTEN. The given name of the husbands of Anna and Hannah were not stated. ..." The lettter lists ch., the penison was denied becaue lack of proof of 6 mo. service, but then does have some rather interesting further comments re. him or his service - "In 1853 one Jeffrey Wisner, aged eighty-two years, son of Colonel Henry Wisner, was residing in Warwick, NY and testified that Capt. John Wisner came to the home of Col. Henry Wisner during the war to relieve their fears about an expected attack from the Tories, but he did not state his relationship to him. In 1853, on James Wood, aged seventy-four years and a resident of Warwick, NY, stated that Capt. John Wisner's first wife was a half sister of his (Wood's) father, whose given name he did not state. In 1853, one William H. Clark, aged sixty years and a resident of said Warwick, NY, stated that he was an "own cousin" of Sarah Wisner." (I would guess this refers to Sarah nee Hall, his 2nd wife. For what it is worth: I also have a copy of an EARLIER letter written Aug 13, 1913 to Mrs. Edith E. L. Lawrence, Washington, DC re. pension claims for John Wisner which contains essentially the same information. Sincerely, Phoebe In a message dated 9/22/2000 9:47:13 AM Pacific Daylight Time, sfb@li.net writes: << I have been following this conversation on the Carpenter-Wheeler connection. I am very intrigued. I have Wheeler roots. My great grandmother was Nettie C. Wheeler. She is my dead end. I know very little about her, except that she was born in NY or NJ in 1861. She married Peter Vanderhoff (from Orange Co. NY) in 1877. Phoebe, I believe that there is a Wisner-Vanderhoff connection in Orange Co. although we have been unable to find a definite connection between your Vanderhoff and mine. Could these families all be interconnected?? Regards, Debbie ----- Original Message ----- From: <MzCortez@aol.com> To: <NYORANGE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 5:55 PM Subject: [NYORANGE] Carpenter-Wheeler question that has been around the block a bit! > Dear Folks, > I sent the Carpenter/Wheeler question to my Carpenter of the Carpenter > rootsweb list and got the enclosed reply, but first: > > I have an interest in this because I am trying to prove/find the identity > of the parents of my elusive Moses Carpenter, who was reported to have been > the son of John Carpenter and Ruth Coe, of Jamaica to Goshen, Orange Co. NY. > AB Carpenter book cites a 1735 marriage, but does not prove sources. > > OK, abstract of Orange Co. deed May 1, 1792 MOSES CARPENTER, yeoman and wife > HANNAH (nee Smith) of Warwick to JOEL and NATHANIEL WHEELER, yeomen of > Warwick. Property located near Mt. Eve, late of JOHN WISNER, deceased, par > of estate of said JOHN WISNER, NE corner of JW, deceased, commonly called > Lewises (?) farm. > > Witnesses: > ABSOLON TOWNSEND and WILLIAM THOMPSON Recorded 4/19/1793 The mortgage for > this property was Orange Co. Mortgage Vol A pg 353,4and5. June 2, 1783 From > MOSES CARPENTER of Goshen and HANNAH, his wife, to CHRISTIAN MORRIS, JACOB > MORRIS, and SARAH MORRIS of Or. Co. > (My research indicates that JANE EVERETT was their mother and she was had > previously been married to JACOB MORRIS, (m 1759 Trinity Ch. NY,NY, IGI) and > .Chauncery Ct. NY, Guardianship, Sureties at that time: ABSALON TOWNSEND and > THOMAS MOORE). I believe that JANE was the sister of MICHAEL DEKAY. > > Could these be the same CARPENTER, WHEELER, AND TOWNSEND families? Anyone > know the connections/differences? > > Phoebe >>