Hey! Another example of Mr Irons' nicety! A question, though - that gap between Libers 2 & 27 - I assume this means that the records are missing, destroyed, or otherwise unavailable to the public? I have a few really stupid questions about will and probate in general, about which I know absolutely NOTHING, as you are about to discover. - so, DUMB BUNNY ALERT! It seems like many people of the 18th & 19th centuries made wills no matter how modest their bequeaths were. I can never find wills online for relatives into the 20th C, though (not that I ever found wills for relatives dying before the 20th C!). Does this indicate a trend away from will-making or are these more recent documents just not transcribed, scanned, or otherwise Internetted? I went to the Historical society of Middletown to look at a published collections of wills. I think it was a paperback version of 'Early Orange County Wills (1731 - 1830)'. When no will is found in the index, is that a good basis for thinking there is no will or is the book incomplete? Women who died while their husbands still lived didn't seem to go in for will-making. Is this true or is my "observation" skewed? Is this a result of the notion that the husband owns all property, including his wife's?  When people died without a will, their estate (even modest ones?) went through the probate process - property of the deceased was inventoried and divided among survivors. Do these records exist for Orange County, too? I assume this process is still in place today? What happened to people who left no land - were they probated, too, or was/is this process reserved for land-holders?  I know a little about a lot of things, but in this area, I'm totally befuddled. Thank you, Julia --- On Fri, 1/15/10, Marty <k2mi@frontiernet.net> wrote: ...I spent 2 hours at surrogate court, creating an index (see below) showing which years are included for each liber from 1787 to 1900... Marty [...]           2   1835   1837    248 [???]          27   1861   1863    750 [...]

Recently I was asked to get copies of 3 wills at Orange County Surrogate Court in Goshen NY. The requestor included name, liber and page for each will. She had gotten them from the Sampubco list of available wills. Fortunately, she included the years of death for each, because when I went to surrogate court, the names for those libers and pages were correct...but the years of death were way off. If I had copied the ones cited all 3 would have been for the wrong people. So I spent 2 hours at surrogate court, creating an index (see below) showing which years are included for each liber from 1787 to 1900, by checking date of probate for the first and last entries for each liber. Feel free to pass this on to anyone who might get some help from it. Marty Irons Goshen NY k2mi@frontiernet.net ----------------------------------------------------- Index of years of wills at Orange County Surrogate Court in Goshen New York Prepared by Marty Irons Goshen NY, January 2010 Liber First Last Last (book) year year page A 1787 1797 462 B 1797 1803 368 C 1803 1807 459 D 1807 1812 553 E 1813 1815 364 F 1816 1822 428 G 1822 1825 303 H 1825 1829 548 I 1829 1832 550 J 1833 1837 534 K 1837 1840 535 L 1840 1842 517 M 1842 1844 530 N 1845 1846 522 O 1846 1848 651 P 1848 1849 426 Q 1849 1851 470 R 1850 1852 439 S 1852 1853 526 T 1853 1854 400 U 1854 1855 419 V 1855 1857 448 W 1856 1858 451 X 1858 1859 520 Y 1859 1860 499 Z 1859 1861 751 1 1830 1835 528 2 1835 1837 248 27 1861 1863 750 28 1863 1864 752 29 1865 1866 753 30 1866 1867 758 31 1867 1868 754 32 1868 1870 552 33 1868 1871 572 34 1871 1873 552 35 1873 1874 838 36 1871 1874 452 37 1874 1874 453 38 1875 1876 450 39 1876 1877 452 40 1877 1877 445 41 1878 1878 451 42 1879 1880 450 43 1880 1881 455 44 1881 1882 450 45 1882 1883 450 46 1883 1884 461 47 1884 1885 460 48 1885 1886 458 49 1886 1887 458 50 1887 1888 461 51 1887 1888 460 52 1888 1889 459 53 1889 1890 460 54 1890 1891 465 55 1891 1892 465 56 1892 1892 460 57 1892 1893 459 58 1893 1894 462 59 1894 1895 460 60 1895 1896 460 61 1896 1897 459 62 1896 1897 459 63 1897 1897 459 64 1897 1898 460 65 1898 1898 459 66 1898 1899 462 67 1899 1900 460 Note overlap of years. Libers 1 and 2 overlap libers I and J. There are no libers 3 to 26. The highest liber is Liber 218; 1990 - 1991. From liber 68 to 218 there are approximately two years per three books. I will not attempt to index any will libers after 1900.

I think the Rogers who were in Goshen and Warwick at that time were probably part of the family that came up from Huntington, LI. They descend from William Rogers who came to Wethersfield, CT with the Rev. Richard Denton's party, then moved on to Stamford, CT and a few years later broke with the majority there and moved on to Hempstead and Huntington, which they helped found. I have always thought that the movement of Huntington people to this part of Orange County reflected their continuing connection to the people from Stamford who were some of the earliest to settle in Goshen. The Huntington Historical Society has a lot on the Rogers family in its Scudder Papers but the only Samuel I have seen there is the son of David Rogers whose will was probated in 1758 and no indication that this Samuel went on to Orange County. The Samuel who married Jane Agur doesn't show up in any of the tax lists or censuses for Orange County so one might conclude that he died soon after or moved away. There was a Samuel Rogers in the Ulster County militia during the War and he might have gone up there. Good luck. Oliver Popenoe -----Original Message----- From: nyorange-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nyorange-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Riley Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 2:30 PM To: NYORANGE@rootsweb.com Subject: [NYORANGE] Samuel Rogers and Jane Agur "May 5 AD 1779 married Samuel Rogers and Jane Agur, (page 11)" From "The Records of the First Presbyterian Church at Goshen, New York From 1767-1885," compiled by Charles C. Coleman, Goshen, N.Y. Would anyone have any children, or further information about Samuel and his family? I've got an annoying brickwall with Thomas Rogers, who seems to have lived in the Orange County area before moving to northern New Jersey by 1820. I cannot connect him to any Rogers family, and Samuel is suitably vague to be a possibility. Thomas married Ellen Stevens about 1811, and died in 1835. Any information greatly appreciated. Take care, Kevin ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYORANGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mr Irons: My requests (and thank you SO much for taking the trouble to do this):  * Johnson, Margaret Paret - 6 Feb 1940 * Johnson, George H - 10 Jun 1921 * Stewart, William Otis - 12 Apr 1943 * Stewart, Margaret - 21 Jan 1912 My shot in the dark: * Paine, Ida Johnson - b ~ 1862 - d/o George H Johnson, lived in Port Jervis, don't know what became of her All the best, Julia --- On Fri, 1/1/10, Marty <k2mi@frontiernet.net> wrote: limited offer (expires 31 January 2010) -------------- Marty

Check into Connecticut for the Rogers family. I have had some luck following the Rogers of Stonington and New London. There was a group called the Rogerenes who are prevalent in the early 1700's forward, whose sect intermarried with the Indians and some African people. I have some Rogers in my family but they end early. I am however, really interested in your Ellen Stevens. Do you have any more information about her family? The following link is about the Rogerenes. _http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/secret/june/june5.html_ (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/secret/june/june5.html) Cheers, Sue In a message dated 1/10/2010 11:30:21 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, kevrik@spamcop.net writes: "May 5 AD 1779 married Samuel Rogers and Jane Agur, (page 11)" >From "The Records of the First Presbyterian Church at Goshen, New York From 1767-1885," compiled by Charles C. Coleman, Goshen, N.Y. Would anyone have any children, or further information about Samuel and his family? I've got an annoying brickwall with Thomas Rogers, who seems to have lived in the Orange County area before moving to northern New Jersey by 1820. I cannot connect him to any Rogers family, and Samuel is suitably vague to be a possibility. Thomas married Ellen Stevens about 1811, and died in 1835. Any information greatly appreciated. Take care, Kevin ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYORANGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

"May 5 AD 1779 married Samuel Rogers and Jane Agur, (page 11)" From "The Records of the First Presbyterian Church at Goshen, New York From 1767-1885," compiled by Charles C. Coleman, Goshen, N.Y. Would anyone have any children, or further information about Samuel and his family? I've got an annoying brickwall with Thomas Rogers, who seems to have lived in the Orange County area before moving to northern New Jersey by 1820. I cannot connect him to any Rogers family, and Samuel is suitably vague to be a possibility. Thomas married Ellen Stevens about 1811, and died in 1835. Any information greatly appreciated. Take care, Kevin

Marty, anything on Thomas S GARRISON ca 1913 Highland mills Have a wonderful day Karin searching for BROWN GARRISON PORTER FLORANCE LAMOREAUX FINCH BEERS HOUGHTAILING RICH FRINK LOW BAILEY in NY http://community.webtv.net/JayFamNY/EarlyAmerican

Westchester County Genealogical Society (NY) Upcoming Meeting MEETING INFO: WHAT: Twentieth Century Probate Research: Confirming Relationships and Finding Family with Debra Braverman WHEN: Saturday, January 9, 2010 @ 10 a.m. WHERE: Aldersgate Methodist Church, 600 Broadway in Dobbs Ferry (across from Mercy College on route 9) Debra Braverman will make a return visit to WCGS on January 9, 2010 when her topic will be Twentieth Century Probate Research: Confirming Relationships and Finding Family. Debra’s first lecture at WCGS, members will recall, was about the 1890 NYC Police Census at our June 2009 meeting. Debra Braverman is a professional genealogist specializing in due diligence for probate and nineteenth and twentieth century New York City research. Debra is a member of several genealogical organizations such as the Association of Professional Genealogists, the Jewish Genealogical Society of New York, and the National Genealogical Society. She specializes in NYC research, heir searches and due diligence, as well as Jewish genealogy, and gives lectures to genealogical societies such as ours as a member of The Genealogical Speakers Guild. She is an alumna of the National Institute on Genealogical Research in Washington D.C. She was recently elected to the Board of Directors of the APG. Guests are welcome. Coffee and conversation precede the meeting at 9:30 a.m. For information about Westchester County Genealogical Society (Westchester Connection or Surname List), visit WCGS home page -- _http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywcgs/_ (http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywcgs/) Hope to see you on Saturday!! RESERVED THESE DATES FOR WCGS Future Meetings Feb 13, 2010 The History of the Hudson River and Henry Hudson Dr. Raymond E. Phillips Mar 13, 2010 The Cemeteries of Westchester County Patrick Raftery, Assistant Librarian @ Westchester County Historical Society Apr 10, 2010 What’s Up Doc? Jo Heffernan May 8, 2010 Who were the parents of …? Joe Lieby June 12, 2010 Writing the Family Narrative Tony Lauriano

Many months ago a visitor to Orange County Genealogical Society in Goshen left a gray, hooded "Nautica" jacket. It has been prominently displayed near the entrance since then, but nobody has claimed it, and we would like to dispose of it. If it's yours, please contact me direct before 31 January at k2mi@frontiernet.net to arrange its return. If nobody claims it by then we'll probably give it away. Marty Irons k2mi@frontiernet.net

Thank you Marty - very kind of you! Abbie Mcauley/Macauley, died after Apr. 1930 born 1846. Diane Hosler

Does anyone know about these two deaths and how they could be related to the Frederick Seeger family? These two were buried in the family plot at Laurel Grove Cemetery,Port Jervis with permission from Frederick. a Porter child, stillborn on 3/15/1903 . Amos DeGraw, aged 2 mos. when he died 3/7/1903. Also there in same Fred Seeger's plot is Frederick Michael Seeger, b. c1881, was 35 years old (church record) or 34 years old (cemetery record) when he died Sept. 2, 1915 of tuberculosis. Is he a grandson? Possible parents: Michael F. or Frederick Jr. I would like to know where to place him in this family tree. Margie in California  

Marty, my apologies, I was too rushed, I see the name Greatorex in your list at end of email Mike Greatorex Harrogate, England Looking for all Greatorex's from North Nottinghamshire, Sheffield, Orange Co, NY, USA, Florida and Alabamha, USA. http://www.freewebs.com/greatorexfamily/

Marty, can you look for the following GREATOREX George 1910 probably Highland Falls, Orange Co Thanks Mike Greatorex Harrogate, England Looking for all Greatorex's from North Nottinghamshire, Sheffield, Orange Co, NY, USA, Florida and Alabamha, USA. http://www.freewebs.com/greatorexfamily/

Hi Mike. Yes, I answered that one a long time ago. These coroners reports are some of the "hidden assets" at OCGS. We keep finding new things all the time. Happy New Year! Marty

------------ limited offer (expires 31 January 2010) -------------- Please read all of this message before making requests - thank you. From 1905 to 1950 (only) coroners in Orange County NY presented annual reports to the county Board of Supervisors of "unusual" deaths which they had investigated ...deaths like murder, suicide, drowning, hit by a train, kicked by a horse, etc...only cases where a doctor was not present to sign a death certificate. These were published in the "Board of Supervisors Report" for that year. They consist of just one paragraph, which tells who died, when, where and why (cause of death). A handful of them named other relatives. Here are samples. There is no further info for any of them. 1905 Nov 28 Adelia McCormick, 123 Liberty St., 30 years old. Heart failure, following vomiting spell. 1906 Aug 7 Anthony Praslow, 48 years old, Coxsackie, N.Y. Asphixia from drowning. Fell from Steamer Kaaterskill. 1906 Oct 16 John Caulfield, 24 years old, Port Jervis. Injuries received by being run over by C. N. E. train at Maybrook. Attempted to board moving train and slipped in under it. During this 46-year period 6,016 individual reports were published, covering 3,453 different surnames...far too many to post here. This is a valuable resource that was not noticed until a few years ago. They are not death certificates, and give limited information, but they help focus on date and place of death. A volunteer at Orange County Genealogical Society created an index of these reports. I have a copy of the index at home, and can quickly tell if any given name was included. From now until 31 January 2010 I will volunteer to check the index of coroners' reports found in the Orange County (NY) "Board of Supervisors Proceedings", and if the name requested is located, to quote the actual report on this list. Before you request a lookup, remember the parameters: 1. Must have died in Orange County NY. 2. Must have died between 1905 and 1950. 3. Must not have died in a hospital or in the presence of a doctor. 4. Send only name and (approximate) year of death...nothing else, as the index is by name and date of investigation. If found, the index will tell the year and page and I will look up the details (just one paragraph per death). Please, no long-winded explanations...just one line per death, and no "fishing parties" such as "any Smith between 1920 and 1930". SAMPLES: George ASHLEY 1908 Peter CURRAN 1916 Any SMITH 1920-1930 (this will not be answered) If found in the index, I will post the coroner's report to the list and it will be posted to the Rootsweb archives. If not found in the index, I will tell you off-list, so as not to waste the time of hundreds of people on the list. NOTE: many coroners' report are already available at Rootsweb archives (see listing below). So go ahead and send requests if you think someone may have died under unusual circumstances in Orange County NY between 1905 and 1950. I'll try my best for you...until 31 January 2010. Requests received after 31 January 2010 will not be answered. Marty Irons ------ how to find reports at Rootsweb archives ------------ Coroners' reports for the names listed below can be accessed directly at rootsweb archives for the month and year posted. Please check this list before asking for a lookup, and please do not request a repeat of reports already posted. http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/NYORANGE/2005-12 http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/NYORANGE/2006-01 http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/NYORANGE/2006-12 http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/NYORANGE/2007-12 NOTE: On my browser (Firefox) I clicked on "display in chronological order" "with names" "with dates" then "redisplay" This put postings in chronological order, making the coroners' reports easier to find by date of posting. All of them will have "Marty" as the sender. NAME OF DECEASED YEAR printed in Board of Supervisors' Reports Y-NN (my coroners' report number in subject) POSTED BY "Marty" ON YYYY-MM-DD (look for this date) ASHLEY, GEORGE W 1908 7-14 2007-12-12 BENJAMIN, JOHN 1914 5-28 2005-12-20 CARR, GEORGE 1939 6-02 2006-01-02 CARR, GEORGE 1939 7-03 2007-12-02 CURRAN, PETER 1916 7-07 2007-12-02 DECKER, DANIEL FRANCIS 1945 7-11 2007-12-07 DECKER, WILLIAM H 1933 7-19 2007-12-30 EWING, JOHN JR 1927 5-26 2005-12-19 FRENCH, BENJAMIN H 1932 5-08 2005-12-01 FRENCH, HERBERT H 1932 5-08 2005-12-01 FRENCH, RUSSELL H 1932 5-08 2005-12-01 GILLESPIE, DAVID 1928 6-12 2006-12-02 GILLESPIE, JAMES 1928 6-12 2006-12-02 GIVEANS, GEORGE B 1907 5-25 2005-12-19 GREATOREX, GEORGE 1910 7-15 2007-12-12 GRISMER, FRANK 1919 5-17 2005-12-18 GRISMER, IDA 1945 5-17 2005-12-18 HORAN, FRANK 1933 5-29 2005-12-20 HOWELL, GEORGE 1925 5-34 2005-12-31 HULSE, THOS. N 1915 7-19 2007-12-30 KING, FRANK 1936 7-19 2007-12-30 LENT, JAMES P 1943 5-16 2005-12-18 LENT, JESSE SR 1932 5-16 2005-12-18 MC CONNELL, FLORENCE 1917 7-01 2007-12-02 MOSHER, GEORGE 1916 5-11 2005-12-04 MOSHER, GEORGE 1916 7-09 2007-12-05 THOMAS, LUKE 1908 5-12 2005-12-04 THOMPSON, FRANK H 1927 7-08 2007-12-05 VAN HOUTEN, WILLIAM 1931 7-16 2007-12-16 VAN STRANDER, GEORGE 1916 5-09 2005-12-03 WELLER, MRS. JAMES 1915 7-08 2007-12-05 WESTFALL, ELMER 1911 5-21 2005-12-18 WEYANT, ETSEL 1947 5-20 2005-12-18 ---------- limited offer (expires 31 January 2010) ---------------

You are welcome -----Original Message----- From: nyorange-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nyorange-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jenny Inskeep Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 7:56 AM To: nyorange@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NYORANGE] History Carol, This is remarkable and we all thank you. It is a service to the local community, to genealogists and to researchers everywhere. It must be especially challenging in this economy when funding is so limited. Once again Thank you. Jenny ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol VanBuren" <ty@warwick.net> To: <nygreene@rootsweb.com> Cc: <nyorange@rootsweb.com>; <nysulliv@rootsweb.com>; <njsussex@rootsweb.com>; <nyulster@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 11:38 PM Subject: [NYORANGE] History > While on I am on the Historic band wagon: > > In the 1980's - our Bicentennial Commission did a postcard booklet, an > old picture booklet, and a hard cover Bicentennial History (1988). > These were done to document our history and as fund raisers. > > In 2003-2005 my husband and I photographed all of the barns that were > left. > SInce then we have lost at least 2 per year. > > Our Curator has been on a mission of gathering the aerial photographs > taken during the 1960's and 1970's. > >>From 2005-2009 we published calendars of the barns and aerial >>photographs as > fund raisers. We hope to do more when the money is available. > > We also photographed all our historic markers. An assistant > photographed all the NYS listed historic architecture and secured a > copy from the inventory form (so we have a comparison). We hope to > publish these also at some point. > > Last week I attended a local historic meeting and the presentation was > a DVD from a small town in Delaware County NY. The seniors had > interviewed four operating dairy farms. We hope to do that soon too > as we only have four left in our Town. > > We also have done a few oral history round tables. > > We have a presentation at least once a year and invite the community > and all the Historians in the County. > > We host our local fourth graders since 1983 for the morning the first > week of June and have at least 19 stations with lots of hands on for > the children. > > We do a newsletter. We were doing 3 per year, but cut back to 1 this > year due to cost. It is mailed to entire Town, plus historians in County. > > We have a free website which is under reconstruction. > > I have taken over 4,000 photographs in the past 6 years. Part of this > is the Cultural Resources Management Law. With permission we take > pictures of the proposed subdivision. All the paperwork goes into a > binder. > > When I do a house/property history, a copy goes to our Museum and a > copy to the person who made the request. > > In school we were taught that the Indians jumped from Plymouth Rock to > the West. There were no slaves here, just in the South. We didn't > have mastodon's or dinasours. Guess what? We had all of the above. > > We have been searching all our deeds from 1703 to 1850. At present up > to > 1845 done. These are all copied, filed and abstracted into spread > sheets that can be searched. My hope is to do a map from the 1798 > Assessment as our earliest map is 1850. > > An assistant transcribed our first first Town minute book from 1788-1841. > > Have indexed most of the vital records. > > The list is extensive. We also have 4 buildings of displays. All of > this started in 1970's with our first Historian. > > Carol Van Buren > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYORANGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYORANGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good Information to share. -----Original Message----- From: nyorange-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nyorange-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of juliasgenes Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 2:31 AM To: Orange List; Dutcher List Subject: [NYORANGE] Fw: Re: [NYSULLIV] House History & rehab issues --- On Wed, 12/2/09, juliasgenes <juliasgenes@yahoo.com> wrote: From: juliasgenes <juliasgenes@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [NYSULLIV] House History & rehab issues To: nysulliv@rootsweb.com Date: Wednesday, December 2, 2009, 7:25 AM Wow - this message is timely! I attended the "Historic Preservation & Green Design Conference" in Newburgh on 19 Nov, but haven't gotten around to posting about it yet. A lot of the info the speakers presented ties right into this topic and then goes beyond it to cover historic rehabilition and energy savings. National level: Many of us know about the long standing programs that offer 10 - 20% rehabilitation tax credit for commercially owned buildings constructed prior to 1936. No federally-funded programs exist for owner-occupied buildings, though. Bummer! * Environmental Finance Center [A conference sponser "tasked by the EPA with facilitating the development of sustainable communities. We connect motivated local government officials and private organizations with technical assistance, assessment tools, and funding offered by our large network of collaborators and resources."] http://efc.syracusecoe.org/ New York State: HOWEVER, NYS has a 20% rehabilitation tax credit program running since 2006 for both commercial AND residential properties. AND beginning on 1 Jan 2010, the credit caps are going up to $50,000 and the types of qualified items covered is liberal - such as insulation, a new furnace, hot water heater, etc. There are eligibility issues, however (isn't there always?), so contact BOTH of the two groups below for details. The program is called the "NYS Rehabilitation Tax Stimulous Program". Either look for a scheduled "Historic Rehabilitation Tax Credit Workshop" for details or agitate your local planning boards and/or to schedule one through the state agency below. I think Newburgh will probably get one in the works fairly soon. These agencies will help through the process and make applications as painless as possible. They WANT to help you and the "NYS Rehabilitation Tax Stimulous Program" to succeed. * Preservation League of New York State [Read this site thoroughly as they offer a lot of help for eligible building owners, including historic survey grants for your building of $3,000-10,000. These are the ones who formulate the "Seven to Save" list.] http://preservenys.org/index.html * [NY] State Historic Preservation Office http://nysparks.state.ny.us/shpo/ Other * New York State Energy Research and Development Authority = NYSERDA [Another conference sponser. "NYSERDA’s aim is to help New York meet its energy goals:  reducing energy consumption, promoting the use of renewable energy sources, and protecting the environment." The most helpful programs they offer to a home-owner are their online "Energy-Saving Tips" and their program that provides enery analysis to ensure your new or rehab comericial or residential project meets New York ENERGY STAR criteria. Site is fairly jargony, so a call to their office may be more helpful if you get lost.] http://www.nyserda.org/default.asp Hudson Valley: Should you suspect that your building (house, barn, corn crib) may go back to the Hudson Valley Vernacular or Dutch eras, these groups want to talk to you, perhaps provide some expertise, and/or measuring and documenting. * Dutch Barn Preservation Society   http://dutchbarns.org/dbpsintro.htm * Hudson Valley Vernacular Architecture   http://www.hvva.org/ To be eligible for federal and NYS rehab tax credits - * Your building must be  50 years old (built by 1959). * The building must retain it's general archituctural integrity and key features. * And it must be either on the National Register of Historic Places or be eligible for placement. The National Registry part isn't so hard, it turns out. NYS leads the nation in the number of buildings on the Registry. I didn't write down the number, but it's many 1000s. If your building itself isn't already on the National Register, perhaps it's certified as contributing to the significance of a National Register District (a chunk of Newburgh, Buffalo, and Albany are). Or, perhaps it's stealth registered, meaning that when evaluation surveys are carried out, as in Newburgh, many of the buildings have already been documented as eligible to be listed on the Registry, but only need the paperwork to be done. Contact the National Register and Survey Unit to see if your building meets any of these National Register categories: * State Historic Preservation Office http://nysparks.state.ny.us/shpo/ state/map.htm The significance of Historian Van Buren's inclusion of utililzing tax assessment records makes a lot of sense. Although I haven't tried this myself, per an "Old house Journal" forum item I read, tax records can act as a corroborator of when a property was first improved. If your county or municipality has tax records that go back far enough, look at each year's taxes. When you see a spike in the taxes charged, that could very well be the date when a building or an addition was added to the property.   Yours, Julia  .^_^. --- On Tue, 12/1/09, Carol VanBuren <ty@warwick.net> wrote:     ...I am Historian for the Town of Minisink in Orange County, NY...We frequently get requests about "how old is my house?"...     Carol       ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYSULLIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYORANGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Carol, This is remarkable and we all thank you. It is a service to the local community, to genealogists and to researchers everywhere. It must be especially challenging in this economy when funding is so limited. Once again Thank you. Jenny ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol VanBuren" <ty@warwick.net> To: <nygreene@rootsweb.com> Cc: <nyorange@rootsweb.com>; <nysulliv@rootsweb.com>; <njsussex@rootsweb.com>; <nyulster@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 11:38 PM Subject: [NYORANGE] History > While on I am on the Historic band wagon: > > In the 1980's - our Bicentennial Commission did a postcard booklet, an old > picture booklet, and a hard cover Bicentennial History (1988). These were > done to document our history and as fund raisers. > > In 2003-2005 my husband and I photographed all of the barns that were > left. > SInce then we have lost at least 2 per year. > > Our Curator has been on a mission of gathering the aerial photographs > taken > during the 1960's and 1970's. > >>From 2005-2009 we published calendars of the barns and aerial photographs >>as > fund raisers. We hope to do more when the money is available. > > We also photographed all our historic markers. An assistant photographed > all the NYS listed historic architecture and secured a copy from the > inventory form (so we have a comparison). We hope to publish these also > at > some point. > > Last week I attended a local historic meeting and the presentation was a > DVD > from a small town in Delaware County NY. The seniors had interviewed four > operating dairy farms. We hope to do that soon too as we only have four > left in our Town. > > We also have done a few oral history round tables. > > We have a presentation at least once a year and invite the community and > all > the Historians in the County. > > We host our local fourth graders since 1983 for the morning the first week > of June and have at least 19 stations with lots of hands on for the > children. > > We do a newsletter. We were doing 3 per year, but cut back to 1 this year > due to cost. It is mailed to entire Town, plus historians in County. > > We have a free website which is under reconstruction. > > I have taken over 4,000 photographs in the past 6 years. Part of this is > the Cultural Resources Management Law. With permission we take pictures > of > the proposed subdivision. All the paperwork goes into a binder. > > When I do a house/property history, a copy goes to our Museum and a copy > to > the person who made the request. > > In school we were taught that the Indians jumped from Plymouth Rock to the > West. There were no slaves here, just in the South. We didn't have > mastodon's or dinasours. Guess what? We had all of the above. > > We have been searching all our deeds from 1703 to 1850. At present up to > 1845 done. These are all copied, filed and abstracted into spread sheets > that can be searched. My hope is to do a map from the 1798 Assessment as > our earliest map is 1850. > > An assistant transcribed our first first Town minute book from 1788-1841. > > Have indexed most of the vital records. > > The list is extensive. We also have 4 buildings of displays. All of this > started in 1970's with our first Historian. > > Carol Van Buren > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYORANGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

While on I am on the Historic band wagon: In the 1980's - our Bicentennial Commission did a postcard booklet, an old picture booklet, and a hard cover Bicentennial History (1988). These were done to document our history and as fund raisers. In 2003-2005 my husband and I photographed all of the barns that were left. SInce then we have lost at least 2 per year. Our Curator has been on a mission of gathering the aerial photographs taken during the 1960's and 1970's. >From 2005-2009 we published calendars of the barns and aerial photographs as fund raisers. We hope to do more when the money is available. We also photographed all our historic markers. An assistant photographed all the NYS listed historic architecture and secured a copy from the inventory form (so we have a comparison). We hope to publish these also at some point. Last week I attended a local historic meeting and the presentation was a DVD from a small town in Delaware County NY. The seniors had interviewed four operating dairy farms. We hope to do that soon too as we only have four left in our Town. We also have done a few oral history round tables. We have a presentation at least once a year and invite the community and all the Historians in the County. We host our local fourth graders since 1983 for the morning the first week of June and have at least 19 stations with lots of hands on for the children. We do a newsletter. We were doing 3 per year, but cut back to 1 this year due to cost. It is mailed to entire Town, plus historians in County. We have a free website which is under reconstruction. I have taken over 4,000 photographs in the past 6 years. Part of this is the Cultural Resources Management Law. With permission we take pictures of the proposed subdivision. All the paperwork goes into a binder. When I do a house/property history, a copy goes to our Museum and a copy to the person who made the request. In school we were taught that the Indians jumped from Plymouth Rock to the West. There were no slaves here, just in the South. We didn't have mastodon's or dinasours. Guess what? We had all of the above. We have been searching all our deeds from 1703 to 1850. At present up to 1845 done. These are all copied, filed and abstracted into spread sheets that can be searched. My hope is to do a map from the 1798 Assessment as our earliest map is 1850. An assistant transcribed our first first Town minute book from 1788-1841. Have indexed most of the vital records. The list is extensive. We also have 4 buildings of displays. All of this started in 1970's with our first Historian. Carol Van Buren

--- On Wed, 12/2/09, juliasgenes <juliasgenes@yahoo.com> wrote: From: juliasgenes <juliasgenes@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [NYSULLIV] House History & rehab issues To: nysulliv@rootsweb.com Date: Wednesday, December 2, 2009, 7:25 AM Wow - this message is timely! I attended the "Historic Preservation & Green Design Conference" in Newburgh on 19 Nov, but haven't gotten around to posting about it yet. A lot of the info the speakers presented ties right into this topic and then goes beyond it to cover historic rehabilition and energy savings. National level: Many of us know about the long standing programs that offer 10 - 20% rehabilitation tax credit for commercially owned buildings constructed prior to 1936. No federally-funded programs exist for owner-occupied buildings, though. Bummer! * Environmental Finance Center [A conference sponser "tasked by the EPA with facilitating the development of sustainable communities. We connect motivated local government officials and private organizations with technical assistance, assessment tools, and funding offered by our large network of collaborators and resources."] http://efc.syracusecoe.org/ New York State: HOWEVER, NYS has a 20% rehabilitation tax credit program running since 2006 for both commercial AND residential properties. AND beginning on 1 Jan 2010, the credit caps are going up to $50,000 and the types of qualified items covered is liberal - such as insulation, a new furnace, hot water heater, etc. There are eligibility issues, however (isn't there always?), so contact BOTH of the two groups below for details. The program is called the "NYS Rehabilitation Tax Stimulous Program". Either look for a scheduled "Historic Rehabilitation Tax Credit Workshop" for details or agitate your local planning boards and/or to schedule one through the state agency below. I think Newburgh will probably get one in the works fairly soon. These agencies will help through the process and make applications as painless as possible. They WANT to help you and the "NYS Rehabilitation Tax Stimulous Program" to succeed. * Preservation League of New York State [Read this site thoroughly as they offer a lot of help for eligible building owners, including historic survey grants for your building of $3,000-10,000. These are the ones who formulate the "Seven to Save" list.] http://preservenys.org/index.html * [NY] State Historic Preservation Office http://nysparks.state.ny.us/shpo/ Other * New York State Energy Research and Development Authority = NYSERDA [Another conference sponser. "NYSERDA’s aim is to help New York meet its energy goals:  reducing energy consumption, promoting the use of renewable energy sources, and protecting the environment." The most helpful programs they offer to a home-owner are their online "Energy-Saving Tips" and their program that provides enery analysis to ensure your new or rehab comericial or residential project meets New York ENERGY STAR criteria. Site is fairly jargony, so a call to their office may be more helpful if you get lost.] http://www.nyserda.org/default.asp Hudson Valley: Should you suspect that your building (house, barn, corn crib) may go back to the Hudson Valley Vernacular or Dutch eras, these groups want to talk to you, perhaps provide some expertise, and/or measuring and documenting. * Dutch Barn Preservation Society   http://dutchbarns.org/dbpsintro.htm * Hudson Valley Vernacular Architecture   http://www.hvva.org/ To be eligible for federal and NYS rehab tax credits - * Your building must be  50 years old (built by 1959). * The building must retain it's general archituctural integrity and key features. * And it must be either on the National Register of Historic Places or be eligible for placement. The National Registry part isn't so hard, it turns out. NYS leads the nation in the number of buildings on the Registry. I didn't write down the number, but it's many 1000s. If your building itself isn't already on the National Register, perhaps it's certified as contributing to the significance of a National Register District (a chunk of Newburgh, Buffalo, and Albany are). Or, perhaps it's stealth registered, meaning that when evaluation surveys are carried out, as in Newburgh, many of the buildings have already been documented as eligible to be listed on the Registry, but only need the paperwork to be done. Contact the National Register and Survey Unit to see if your building meets any of these National Register categories: * State Historic Preservation Office http://nysparks.state.ny.us/shpo/ state/map.htm The significance of Historian Van Buren's inclusion of utililzing tax assessment records makes a lot of sense. Although I haven't tried this myself, per an "Old house Journal" forum item I read, tax records can act as a corroborator of when a property was first improved. If your county or municipality has tax records that go back far enough, look at each year's taxes. When you see a spike in the taxes charged, that could very well be the date when a building or an addition was added to the property.   Yours, Julia  .^_^. --- On Tue, 12/1/09, Carol VanBuren <ty@warwick.net> wrote:     ...I am Historian for the Town of Minisink in Orange County, NY...We frequently get requests about "how old is my house?"...     Carol       ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYSULLIV-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message