I heard there is going to be some new material published for Orange County very soon. Does anybody have details?

Mom was 86, and had lived a good life. My sister and brother and I are very close, and I know I'll see Mom again someday. Bill has another surgery February 12th. Hope this will be the last! Judy At 12:26 AM 1/30/2010, you wrote: >Judy - > >Oh, my! I'm so sorry about your mommy. I don't think it matters how old >you are, when your mommy dies, you feel like an orphan. And your poor >husband! I hope he has recovered and is full well again. > >Yours, Julia

I don't have an Ancestry subscription, but I can access it at the library. Thanks for the offer, and for the information. Judy At 10:06 PM 1/29/2010, you wrote: >Do you have ancestry.com? I did a search of the newspapers using the date >of 1893 and words Snyder & "Erie". I can send it to you. > >Carol

If someone requests from my office (Town Clerk or Registrar) a copy of a birth, marriage or death certificate, we type it on paper provided by the NYS Health Department and use the Town Seal on it and sign it. The dates I listed are for genealogy purposes which is a different sealed/certified form than the more current time period. Town, Village, and City Clerks in NYS issue birth and death certificates. Only Towns and cities issue marriage certificates. Divorce records are filed in the County. Carol Van Buren -----Original Message----- From: nyorange-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nyorange-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of juliasgenes Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 12:23 AM To: nyorange@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NYORANGE] Info on Elias Cameron SNYDER? Ms Van Buren, Thanks for the reminder regarding the city status of PJ. You are, of course correct; I should have said "City Clerk". What do you mean by a "typed and sealed document"? That is a new term for me. Is that the same as certified? Wouldn't that be a certified copy of the summarized info the Clerk has locally? Once marriages and deaths reach 50yo, they become public records that anyone may purchase (births must reach 75yo and divorces 100yo!). It is for a shorter time period that the requester must be a direct descendant and supply proof of their relationship and death certificates for anyone whose records they are trying to access. Otherwise, anyone can order them. This Upstate New York Genealogy Blog and its links and comments provide the most in-depth info on obtaining NYS vital records that I've seen, including news of the mysterious drop-off box at the NYS Library (has anyone used it & is it really that much faster?): http://ny-genes.blogspot.com/2008/02/how-to-obtain-copies-of-vital-records.h tml This is the NYS Department of Health's site: http://www.health.state.ny.us/vital_records/genealogy.htm This is the NYC Municipal Archives (obtaining vital records from NYC is a bit different and much faster - if at all possible, make sure your ancestors are from there .^_^.): http://www.nyc.gov/html/records/html/vitalrecords/home.shtml Yours, Julia --- On Sat, 1/30/10, Carol VanBuren <ty@warwick.net> wrote: ...There are also time constraints in NYS of 50 years for a marriage or death and 75 years for a birth and you must be a direct descendant... Carol ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYORANGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I know about my Erie-employed relatives from the late 1800s, but not much about the railway itself or the alphabet soup of the various lines and company realignments that brought about even more acronyms. This is the Erie Lackawanna Historical Society site. If they don't have what you need, they have quite a few Erie-related links to explore. There is an Erie-related society in Port Jervis, but I've never been there and don't remember their name. Maybe you'll find it amongst the links? http://www.erielackhs.org/ The Erie wasn't the only train that went through Port Jervis. I think the Ontario & Western (O&W, aka "the Old & Weary") had a spur there, too. This is the Ontario & Western Railway Historical Society's site, if you need it: http://www.nyow.org/ Train culture is a whole other world! Have fun, Julia --- On Sat, 1/30/10, Marjorie Bridges <proudtobescottish@yahoo.com> wrote: ...What is the genealogy of the Erie Railroad?  Is it related to LE&W railroad?... Margie

Someone inquired about railroad genealogy. The Minisink Valley Historical Society has links on their website for the area railroad history. http://www.minisink.org/ Carol Van Buren

Wow - Carol is speedy! I think that ancestry uses NewspaperArchive. If you don't have ancestry, for future searches, you might check with your local library - they may have a subscription to that archive that you can access from home. And perhaps a subscription to ancestry, but you may have to use that at the library. Bring a CD! --- On Sat, 1/30/10, Carol VanBuren <ty@warwick.net> wrote: ...Do you have ancestry.com?... Carol

Do you have ancestry.com? I did a search of the newspapers using the date of 1893 and words Snyder & "Erie". I can send it to you. Carol -----Original Message----- From: nyorange-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nyorange-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bill & Judy Cuyle Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 9:54 PM To: nyorange@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NYORANGE] Info on Elias Cameron SNYDER? Carol, can you please tell me where you found that story? I've been unable to find it. Judy At 08:49 PM 1/29/2010, you wrote: >In looking online for your obit, the Middletown Daily Times ran the >story on 9/16/1893. > >Carol ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYORANGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Carol, can you please tell me where you found that story? I've been unable to find it. Judy At 08:49 PM 1/29/2010, you wrote: >In looking online for your obit, the Middletown Daily Times ran the story on >9/16/1893. > >Carol

Judy - Oh, my! I'm so sorry about your mommy. I don't think it matters how old you are, when your mommy dies, you feel like an orphan. And your poor husband! I hope he has recovered and is full well again. Yours, Julia --- On Sat, 1/30/10, Bill & Judy Cuyle <bjcuyle@lightlink.com> wrote: ...I didn't have much time for genealogy research!... Judy

Ms Van Buren, Thanks for the reminder regarding the city status of PJ. You are, of course correct; I should have said "City Clerk". What do you mean by a "typed and sealed document"? That is a new term for me. Is that the same as certified? Wouldn't that be a certified copy of the summarized info the Clerk has locally? Once marriages and deaths reach 50yo, they become public records that anyone may purchase (births must reach 75yo and divorces 100yo!). It is for a shorter time period that the requester must be a direct descendant and supply proof of their relationship and death certificates for anyone whose records they are trying to access. Otherwise, anyone can order them. This Upstate New York Genealogy Blog and its links and comments provide the most in-depth info on obtaining NYS vital records that I've seen, including news of the mysterious drop-off box at the NYS Library (has anyone used it & is it really that much faster?): http://ny-genes.blogspot.com/2008/02/how-to-obtain-copies-of-vital-records.html This is the NYS Department of Health's site: http://www.health.state.ny.us/vital_records/genealogy.htm This is the NYC Municipal Archives (obtaining vital records from NYC is a bit different and much faster - if at all possible, make sure your ancestors are from there .^_^.): http://www.nyc.gov/html/records/html/vitalrecords/home.shtml Yours, Julia --- On Sat, 1/30/10, Carol VanBuren <ty@warwick.net> wrote: ...There are also time constraints in NYS of 50 years for a marriage or death and 75 years for a birth and you must be a direct descendant... Carol

In looking online for your obit, the Middletown Daily Times ran the story on 9/16/1893. Carol -----Original Message----- From: nyorange-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nyorange-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bill & Judy Cuyle Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 8:38 PM To: nyorange@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NYORANGE] Info on Elias Cameron SNYDER? Hi Julia: I have the actual newspaper clipping of the accident, but thought that an obituary might tell where he's buried. I'd appreciate it very much if you'd look for an obit for me. There's no hurry. I do look-ups in the microfilm in our library for people out of the area, but I've been very slow the past two years. My Mom had a heart attack two years ago, and we were her primary care givers until she died last summer (she lived about 20 miles from us, and didn't want to give up her 'independence'). And last year my husband went through a series of four brain surgeries to repair some 'faulty' blood vessels. I didn't have much time for genealogy research! Interesting about the old slag glass. I wonder if Corning Glass Works did the same thing? Yes, Mr. Sponholz certainly is a sweety. Judy At 07:33 PM 1/29/2010, you wrote: >Hi, Judy, > >I'm sure there's a Port Jervis obituary for Elias and probably a news >item as well, but there may also be something in the Middletown >newspaper - news of both towns was always of interest to the other. >I'll check one day when I'm at the Middletown Thrall Library. Just >can't promise how fast that'll be. > >What a shame - such a needless death. My mother had a story about one >of her relatives (can't remember who) that was driving a car under an >Erie overpass in Port Jervis when a body fell down on their car. It was >someone who had been taking a shortcut over the tracks. Even back then, >the frail human body was no match for tons of iron. They moved much >faster than they looked to be, too. > >I lived in Port Jervis when I was a kid. The main cemetery, Laurel >Grove, is right on the Delaware River. Just outside the cemetery >grounds, there was a steep bank (end of South Street) that also >overlooked the River. The glass company dumped large quanities of slag >glass over that bank. We kids were always carting home the "pretty" >globs. There wasn't an aquarium in town that wasn't graced with that glass slag! > >Isn't Mr Sponholz is a sweety! > >Yours, Julia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYORANGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Julia: I have the actual newspaper clipping of the accident, but thought that an obituary might tell where he's buried. I'd appreciate it very much if you'd look for an obit for me. There's no hurry. I do look-ups in the microfilm in our library for people out of the area, but I've been very slow the past two years. My Mom had a heart attack two years ago, and we were her primary care givers until she died last summer (she lived about 20 miles from us, and didn't want to give up her 'independence'). And last year my husband went through a series of four brain surgeries to repair some 'faulty' blood vessels. I didn't have much time for genealogy research! Interesting about the old slag glass. I wonder if Corning Glass Works did the same thing? Yes, Mr. Sponholz certainly is a sweety. Judy At 07:33 PM 1/29/2010, you wrote: >Hi, Judy, > >I'm sure there's a Port Jervis obituary for Elias and probably a news item >as well, but there may also be something in the Middletown newspaper - >news of both towns was always of interest to the other. I'll check one day >when I'm at the Middletown Thrall Library. Just can't promise how fast >that'll be. > >What a shame - such a needless death. My mother had a story about one of >her relatives (can't remember who) that was driving a car under an Erie >overpass in Port Jervis when a body fell down on their car. It was someone >who had been taking a shortcut over the tracks. Even back then, the frail >human body was no match for tons of iron. They moved much faster than they >looked to be, too. > >I lived in Port Jervis when I was a kid. The main cemetery, Laurel Grove, >is right on the Delaware River. Just outside the cemetery grounds, there >was a steep bank (end of South Street) that also overlooked the River. The >glass company dumped large quanities of slag glass over that bank. We kids >were always carting home the "pretty" globs. There wasn't an aquarium in >town that wasn't graced with that glass slag! > >Isn't Mr Sponholz is a sweety! > >Yours, Julia

Thanks for the information, Carol. At 07:44 PM 1/29/2010, you wrote: >If you request a copy of a birth, death or marriage certificate from the >local municipality, you will get a typed and sealed certificate from the >archives. If you request one for genealogy purposes, they are stamped that >way and are cheaper than the full transcript. The "genealogy" ones have >basic information. There are also time constraints in NYS of 50 years for a >marriage or death and 75 years for a birth and you must be a direct >descendant. The County does not have these records. Port Jervis is a City >not a Town. > >Carol Van Buren

What is the genealogy of the Erie Railroad?  Is it related to LE&W railroad? There is a brakeman on the LE&W railroad who was killed in an accident on Jan. 5, 1886--Alexander Dumont, age 45--who is buried in my relative's burial plot at Laurel Grove with the owner's permission.  Margie

If you request a copy of a birth, death or marriage certificate from the local municipality, you will get a typed and sealed certificate from the archives. If you request one for genealogy purposes, they are stamped that way and are cheaper than the full transcript. The "genealogy" ones have basic information. There are also time constraints in NYS of 50 years for a marriage or death and 75 years for a birth and you must be a direct descendant. The County does not have these records. Port Jervis is a City not a Town. Carol Van Buren -----Original Message----- From: nyorange-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nyorange-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bill & Judy Cuyle Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 7:09 PM To: nyorange@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [NYORANGE] Info on Elias Cameron SNYDER? Thanks for the fast response Julia. I'll send to Albany for Elias' death certificate. We used to be able to get 'Xerox' copies of birth and death certificates from our Health Department. Recently I got two 'death certificates', but all I got was a typed summary, as you say you get in Orange County. I think they were only $10 each, though. Do you think there might be an obituary for Elias in the microfilmed copies of the Port Jervis newspapers at the Port Jervis Public Library? I'd be glad to pay for a copy of one, if someone would look for me. Elias worked for the Port Jervis Glass Works, and the newspaper clipping says he 'got on the front end of Engine 676 to ride to his work. He fell off and several cars passed over him, inflicting internal injuries...' Bill's grandfather worked for Erie, and I have corresponded with Jim Sponholz about him. Jim sent me a copy of the cover and page of the Erie magazine containing information about James A. Snyder's retirement. The J. Snider from Susquehanna, PA you list under the Erie Railroad Magazine is probably him. He is the only one of our Snyders to work for the railroad, as far as I know now. Thanks again. Judy At 06:23 PM 1/29/2010, you wrote: >Hello, Judy - > >By all means, IF there is a death certificate for young Mr Snyder - get >it from the Dept of Health in Albany. Since it's the death was 1893, >there should legally be a certificate for him. Many places in NYS >dragged their heels about compliance, though I haven't heard of PJ doing so. > >Local Town Clerks do NOT retain original vital records. They record a >summarized version of the info in their books and forward the real >document on. Getting the "death certificate" from the Town Clerk will >net you a form letter, with a dab of this summary info typed in, at the >same price that Albany charges for the true copy. > >I learned this the hard way early on when I got my mom's "birth >certificate" from the Port Jervis Town Clerk. In addition to being a >form letter on very flimsy paper, it was stamped all over at random >with a red "genealogy only" stamp. Hardly at all classy! > >Was your guy an Erie employee? You might check Jim Sponholz's site >dedicated to the memory of Erie employees. >http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~sponholz/erie.html > >There are several Snyders/Sniders listed and from my family's example, >multiple members of the same family went to work on the Erie: > >Erie Railroad Employee Rosters: >Snyder A.C. Engineer Port Jervis, NY >Snyder Charles A. Engineer Port Jervis, NY >Snyder Charles W. Engineer Port Jervis, NY >http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~sponholz/erie1899ns.h >tml > >Hornell shops: >Snyder Evelyn Sheetmetal Worker Helper 11/3/1926 >Snyder Henry Machinist 1/24/1926 >Snyder Joseph Machinist 1/4/1927 >Snyder W.B. Sheetmetal Worker 2/10/1927 >http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~sponholz/HornellSZ.ht >ml > >Erie Railroad Magazine: >Snider Edward Acting Agent Orangeburg, NY >Snider G.J. Yard Clerk Youngstown, OH >Snider G.J. Yard Clerk Youngstown, OH >Snider G.J. Youngstown, OH Yard >Snider G.J. Chief Clerk Youngstown, OH >Snider G.J. Chief Clerk Youngstown, OH >Snider G.J. Chief Clerk Youngstown, OH >Snider G.J. Chief Clerk Youngstown, OH >Snider G.J. Chief Clerk Youngstown, OH >Snider G.J. Chief Clerk Youngstown, OH >Snider G.J. Youngstown, OH >Snider G.J. Youngstown, OH >Snider G.J. General Yard Master Youngstown, OH >Snider G.J. General Yardmaster >Snider George Youngstown, OH >Snider George Chief Clerk Youngstown, OH >Snider George Chief Clerk Youngstown, OH >Snider George Youngstown, OH >Snider George General Yardmaster Youngstown, OH >Snider George J. General Yardmaster Youngstown, OH >Snider George J. General Yardmaster Youngstown, OH >Snider George J. General Yardmaster Brier Hill, OH >Snider H.A. Agent Park Ridge >Snider H.A. Agent Park Ridge, NJ >Snider Harry A. Retired Agent Unk. >Snider J. Susquehanna, PA >Snider James B. Yard Conductor Youngstown, OH >Snider William Messenger Youngstown, OH >http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~sponholz/alleriesmitk >a.html > >Erie Railroad Photos >Snider G.J. General Yardmaster Brier Hill Yard Youngstown, OH >Snider George J. General Yardmaster Brier Hill Yard Youngstown, OH >Snyder C. Engine Dispatcher Dept. Jersey City, NJ >http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~sponholz/miscphoto2.h >tml > >There are more lists on the site that you can look through, too. it's a >bit of a jumble, so be thorough in your exploration. If your guy WAS an >Erie employee, Mr Sponholz will be thrilled to get any info from you to >add to his site. The obit & DC would be perfect additions. Patience, >though, it's a modest one-man site and it can take months for him to >get back to you. > >"Germantown" is the section of Port Jervis near where the Roundhouse is >today. An "other side of the tracks" kind of neighborhood, literally. > >Yours, Julia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYORANGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for the fast response Julia. I'll send to Albany for Elias' death certificate. We used to be able to get 'Xerox' copies of birth and death certificates from our Health Department. Recently I got two 'death certificates', but all I got was a typed summary, as you say you get in Orange County. I think they were only $10 each, though. Do you think there might be an obituary for Elias in the microfilmed copies of the Port Jervis newspapers at the Port Jervis Public Library? I'd be glad to pay for a copy of one, if someone would look for me. Elias worked for the Port Jervis Glass Works, and the newspaper clipping says he 'got on the front end of Engine 676 to ride to his work. He fell off and several cars passed over him, inflicting internal injuries...' Bill's grandfather worked for Erie, and I have corresponded with Jim Sponholz about him. Jim sent me a copy of the cover and page of the Erie magazine containing information about James A. Snyder's retirement. The J. Snider from Susquehanna, PA you list under the Erie Railroad Magazine is probably him. He is the only one of our Snyders to work for the railroad, as far as I know now. Thanks again. Judy At 06:23 PM 1/29/2010, you wrote: >Hello, Judy - > >By all means, IF there is a death certificate for young Mr Snyder - get it >from the Dept of Health in Albany. Since it's the death was 1893, there >should legally be a certificate for him. Many places in NYS dragged their >heels about compliance, though I haven't heard of PJ doing so. > >Local Town Clerks do NOT retain original vital records. They record a >summarized version of the info in their books and forward the real >document on. Getting the "death certificate" from the Town Clerk will net >you a form letter, with a dab of this summary info typed in, at the same >price that Albany charges for the true copy. > >I learned this the hard way early on when I got my mom's "birth >certificate" from the Port Jervis Town Clerk. In addition to being a form >letter on very flimsy paper, it was stamped all over at random with a red >"genealogy only" stamp. Hardly at all classy! > >Was your guy an Erie employee? You might check Jim Sponholz's site >dedicated to the memory of Erie employees. >http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~sponholz/erie.html > >There are several Snyders/Sniders listed and from my family's example, >multiple members of the same family went to work on the Erie: > >Erie Railroad Employee Rosters: >Snyder A.C. Engineer Port Jervis, NY >Snyder Charles A. Engineer Port Jervis, NY >Snyder Charles W. Engineer Port Jervis, NY >http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~sponholz/erie1899ns.html > >Hornell shops: >Snyder Evelyn Sheetmetal Worker Helper 11/3/1926 >Snyder Henry Machinist 1/24/1926 >Snyder Joseph Machinist 1/4/1927 >Snyder W.B. Sheetmetal Worker 2/10/1927 >http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~sponholz/HornellSZ.html > >Erie Railroad Magazine: >Snider Edward Acting Agent Orangeburg, NY >Snider G.J. Yard Clerk Youngstown, OH >Snider G.J. Yard Clerk Youngstown, OH >Snider G.J. Youngstown, OH Yard >Snider G.J. Chief Clerk Youngstown, OH >Snider G.J. Chief Clerk Youngstown, OH >Snider G.J. Chief Clerk Youngstown, OH >Snider G.J. Chief Clerk Youngstown, OH >Snider G.J. Chief Clerk Youngstown, OH >Snider G.J. Chief Clerk Youngstown, OH >Snider G.J. Youngstown, OH >Snider G.J. Youngstown, OH >Snider G.J. General Yard Master Youngstown, OH >Snider G.J. General Yardmaster >Snider George Youngstown, OH >Snider George Chief Clerk Youngstown, OH >Snider George Chief Clerk Youngstown, OH >Snider George Youngstown, OH >Snider George General Yardmaster Youngstown, OH >Snider George J. General Yardmaster Youngstown, OH >Snider George J. General Yardmaster Youngstown, OH >Snider George J. General Yardmaster Brier Hill, OH >Snider H.A. Agent Park Ridge >Snider H.A. Agent Park Ridge, NJ >Snider Harry A. Retired Agent Unk. >Snider J. Susquehanna, PA >Snider James B. Yard Conductor Youngstown, OH >Snider William Messenger Youngstown, OH >http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~sponholz/alleriesmitka.html > >Erie Railroad Photos >Snider G.J. General Yardmaster Brier Hill Yard Youngstown, OH >Snider George J. General Yardmaster Brier Hill Yard Youngstown, OH >Snyder C. Engine Dispatcher Dept. Jersey City, NJ >http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~sponholz/miscphoto2.html > >There are more lists on the site that you can look through, too. it's a >bit of a jumble, so be thorough in your exploration. If your guy WAS an >Erie employee, Mr Sponholz will be thrilled to get any info from you to >add to his site. The obit & DC would be perfect additions. Patience, >though, it's a modest one-man site and it can take months for him to get >back to you. > >"Germantown" is the section of Port Jervis near where the Roundhouse is >today. An "other side of the tracks" kind of neighborhood, literally. > >Yours, Julia

I'm brand new to this list, but I hope someone can help me with information on Elias Cameron SNYDER. He was born in Pennsylvania on December 20, 1877 to Enos and Sarah Cameron SNYDER, and he died in Germantown, Port Jervis, Orange County, New York on September 16, 1893. According to a newspaper clipping I have, he was riding on the front end of a train and fell off. Several cars passed over him, inflicting internal injuries which caused his death a few hours later. I would like to know where Elias is buried, and I'd like to have a copy of his death certificate. Are death certificates available somewhere in Orange County? I know I can get the death certificate from Albany, but they take forever. Judy Cuyle

Julia: Thanks for the gravestone picture. Bill Forshay - San Antonio, TX ________________________________ From: juliasgenes <juliasgenes@yahoo.com> To: nyorange@rootsweb.com Sent: Fri, January 29, 2010 5:51:33 PM Subject: Re: [NYORANGE] Chauncey Ward Wallkill Cemetey & Forshay Here's the John R Forshay page: http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSsr=761&GScid=1712602&GRid=9252947& ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYORANGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, Judy, I'm sure there's a Port Jervis obituary for Elias and probably a news item as well, but there may also be something in the Middletown newspaper - news of both towns was always of interest to the other. I'll check one day when I'm at the Middletown Thrall Library. Just can't promise how fast that'll be. What a shame - such a needless death. My mother had a story about one of her relatives (can't remember who) that was driving a car under an Erie overpass in Port Jervis when a body fell down on their car. It was someone who had been taking a shortcut over the tracks. Even back then, the frail human body was no match for tons of iron. They moved much faster than they looked to be, too. I lived in Port Jervis when I was a kid. The main cemetery, Laurel Grove, is right on the Delaware River. Just outside the cemetery grounds, there was a steep bank (end of South Street) that also overlooked the River. The glass company dumped large quanities of slag glass over that bank. We kids were always carting home the "pretty" globs. There wasn't an aquarium in town that wasn't graced with that glass slag! Isn't Mr Sponholz is a sweety! Yours, Julia --- On Sat, 1/30/10, Bill & Judy Cuyle <bjcuyle@lightlink.com> wrote: ...Do you think there might be an obituary for Elias in the microfilmed copies of the Port Jervis newspapers at the Port Jervis Public Library?... Judy