I'm searching the descendants of Mryon Buck and Kezia Smith Buck of Middletown, Orange Co. (See 1880 Census, image 45, Middletown). I had hoped to find Cemetery records for Middletown online. Am I missing something? Deanna

I no longer have all my back issues of the publication, however, you could get it from the Orange County Genealogical Society which has the enitire ancestor tree, probably with the documentation. It would appear her parents were William Moore b 2/28/1766 and Martha Smith b 4/2/1767. I got that information from Debbie Ferguson's site on rootsweb. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lois" <ljfljf@psyber.com> To: <nyorange@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 10:21 AM Subject: Re: [NYORANGE] Henry/Harry Wilcox, b. 1813 > And who were Lucy Moore's parents? Do they show documentation or just > word of mouth? IIm very strict about documenting. Anyone can claim > folks as their ancestors; very few prove it. That is how we get so many > mixed up trees out there. > > Lois > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYORANGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There is a lot of information on the online geds. Unfortunately, none of them offer documentation. And, often, when they show something they believe is documentation it is just quoting someone else's ged and that someone also has no documentation. I'm very leery about using that information which is why I am trying to find some proof. I will see what I can get from the gen soc in Orange Co. Thanks for looking for me. Lois

And who were Lucy Moore's parents? Do they show documentation or just word of mouth? IIm very strict about documenting. Anyone can claim folks as their ancestors; very few prove it. That is how we get so many mixed up trees out there. Lois

Maria's parents were William Monell and Lucy Moore. This information from Ancestor Table of Susan Carr Evers in the Orange County Genealogical Society quarterly newsletter, Volume 30 No 2 page 18. Sandra ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lois" <ljfljf@psyber.com> To: <NYORANGE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 6:43 PM Subject: [NYORANGE] Henry/Harry Wilcox, b. 1813 > Seeking info regarding Henry/Harry Wilcox, b. 1813. He married Maria(h) > Monell in 1836. She died shortly after their marriage. I believe they > are somehow connected to my Moore line in Minisink. > > Lois > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYORANGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Maria's parents were William Monell and Lucy Moore. This information from Ancestor Table of Susan Carr Evers in the Orange County Genealogical Society quarterly newsletter, Volume 30 No 2 page 18. Sandra FROM ANCESTOR TABLE OF SUSAN CARR EVERS OCGS QUARTERLY VOL 30 NO 2 PG 18 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Wells" <stan@frontrowaudio.com> To: <nyorange@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 7:14 PM Subject: Re: [NYORANGE] Henry/Harry Wilcox, b. 1813 >> Seeking info regarding Henry/Harry Wilcox, b. 1813. He married Maria(h) >> Monell in 1836. She died shortly after their marriage. I believe they >> are somehow connected to my Moore line in Minisink. >> >> Lois >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> NYORANGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > lois, there are no henry/harry wilcox in the pioneer families of orange > county,ny. stanwells at stan@frontrowaudio.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYORANGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

> Seeking info regarding Henry/Harry Wilcox, b. 1813. He married Maria(h) > Monell in 1836. She died shortly after their marriage. I believe they > are somehow connected to my Moore line in Minisink. > > Lois > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYORANGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > lois, there are no henry/harry wilcox in the pioneer families of orange county,ny. stanwells at stan@frontrowaudio.com

Maria(h) Monell Wilcox married Henry/Harry wilcox in 1836. She is buried in the monell cemetery in minisink. perhaps harry was from a nearby county as there are many monells in minisink history. lois

Seeking info regarding Henry/Harry Wilcox, b. 1813. He married Maria(h) Monell in 1836. She died shortly after their marriage. I believe they are somehow connected to my Moore line in Minisink. Lois

Hi all: I have not been following this discussion, so forgive me if this has been posted, but this post reminded me of a post made on the Brooklyn list last year: ------------------------------------- All aboard! In a recent online discussion, family searchers sought employment records for ancestors who worked for the railroad and early subways. I found a book, in the public domain, that is a little gold mine for family names in Canal and Railroad Reports! Train lines are not limited to New York, but include nearby areas in New Jersey, upstate New York, and other Eastern U.S. areas. Although financial records and reports are the title, names and specifics about injured employees are listed month by month, within these annual reports. At times it is indicated that such employees died from injuries sustained at work, but with the limitations of medicine in that era, a serious injury, such as a loss of a limb, may hint at in inevitable, forthcoming death. Another point is that if a NYC resident worked on a NJ line, he may have died there. Ah ha! No wonder you couldn't locate a death certificate via the NYC German or Italian Genealogy transcription projects. If you've been unlucky finding a death certificate for a male ancestor, I recommend that you search this site at http://tinyurl.com/yjhz8je. You may also be interested in searching the alphabetized biographies of Railway Officials from 1906, at http://www.onlinebiographies.info/railroad/index.htm Source: The Biographical Directory of the Railway Officials of America Edition of 1906 Edited and compiled by T. Addison Busbey Associate Editor The Railway Age. Chicago 1906 On a link to the homepage of The Western New York Railway Archive, the anonymous author states that genealogical queries for personnel files were often lost or destroyed. SEE: http://wnyrails.org/index.htm Before you leave this site, check out the map of railway lines stretched like spaghetti across northern NYS. Plus, there are some valuable links, directly below the title. For genealogical records, the recommendation is to contact the U.S. RailroadRetirement Board at http://www.rrb.gov/mep/genealogy.asp This should be enough homework to keep you railroad buffs busy for a week! Full steam ahead! Barb NYC Researcher ------------------------------ Good luck! Bryan Healy On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 9:05 PM, Bill & Judy Cuyle <bjcuyle@lightlink.com>wrote: > My great grandfather, James Regan, was supposedly crushed between two cars > when he was coupling them about 1897. He and his wife, Elizabeth, and their > daughter, Eleanor Mae, lived in New York City at the time. I've never been > able to find a death certificate for him. I have no idea what railroad he > worked for. James Regan was a common name in NYC about that time. > > At 12:15 AM 3/11/2010, you wrote: > > >And as awful as Elias' tragedy was, it wasn't uncommon, even among railway > >workers. I have a great-granduncle from PJ who worked for the Erie in NJ. > >He was coupling cars together when he was crushed between two of them at > >age 22. > > > >Brakemen were especially vulnerable. They used to jump from the top of one > >car to another to manually set brakes on each one while the train was > >moving - and they did it in the dark, rain, wind, ice storms, etc. Many > >fell to their deaths under the train wheels. > > > >Another group with many fatalities were track-walkers. These employees > >would walk the tracks in their assigned sections to check on > >conditions...in the dark with only a small flickering lantern. They were > >struck by trains when they were caught unawares and were unseen by the > >engineers. > > > >Railroading was a rugged job all the way around, whether the employee > >scouted routes, leveled grades with shovels, built trestles over gorges, > >worked as a brakeman, or simply happened to ride a train during a bad > >derailment. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYORANGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

My great grandfather, James Regan, was supposedly crushed between two cars when he was coupling them about 1897. He and his wife, Elizabeth, and their daughter, Eleanor Mae, lived in New York City at the time. I've never been able to find a death certificate for him. I have no idea what railroad he worked for. James Regan was a common name in NYC about that time. At 12:15 AM 3/11/2010, you wrote: >And as awful as Elias' tragedy was, it wasn't uncommon, even among railway >workers. I have a great-granduncle from PJ who worked for the Erie in NJ. >He was coupling cars together when he was crushed between two of them at >age 22. > >Brakemen were especially vulnerable. They used to jump from the top of one >car to another to manually set brakes on each one while the train was >moving - and they did it in the dark, rain, wind, ice storms, etc. Many >fell to their deaths under the train wheels. > >Another group with many fatalities were track-walkers. These employees >would walk the tracks in their assigned sections to check on >conditions...in the dark with only a small flickering lantern. They were >struck by trains when they were caught unawares and were unseen by the >engineers. > >Railroading was a rugged job all the way around, whether the employee >scouted routes, leveled grades with shovels, built trestles over gorges, >worked as a brakeman, or simply happened to ride a train during a bad >derailment.

National Archives also has some info on railroads and accidents: http://www.archives.gov/publications/prologue/1997/spring/railroad-records-1.html

I was wondering where the Banners and bugle book is that lists all the people who served... Was told that it would have every that served listed whether in Ulster co.,ny or orange co.,ny has anyone seen it ?

I can only hope that when death came, it was quick after suffering such an awful trauma. --- On Thu, 3/11/10, KHansen784@aol.com <KHansen784@aol.com> wrote: ...Mr Conklin was my  granduncle...

Regarding: Port Jervis Listing In 1853 Gouverneur Rainey (c 1829-1884)married Cornelia Torrey in the Dutch Reform Church (Montgomery) and in the church records Gouverneur home was listed as Port Jervis. I have not been able to find any other record of his being in PJ during his lifetime. In the 1850 census he was a farm laborer in Montgomery for the John S. Shafer family. By 1860 he was living in NYC and stayed there until c 1879 owing his own Banner and Painter business. He was listed in the 1880 census in Oneida, Otsego County with his second wife and 4 children listed as a portrait painter. PJ was such a small town in 1853 and some distance from Montgomery and Crawford (where Cornelia was from), is there any significance for listing it on the church records or could this be an error? Carol Rainey -----Original Message----- From: nyorange-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:nyorange-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of nyorange-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 1:01 AM To: nyorange@rootsweb.com Subject: NYORANGE Digest, Vol 5, Issue 29 Today's Topics: 1. Lucy Moore m. William Monell (Lois) 2. Regarding: Elias Cameron SNYDER (juliasgenes) 3. Regarding: Laurel Grove Cemetery internments (juliasgenes) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2010 13:23:31 -0800 From: Lois <ljfljf@psyber.com> Subject: [NYORANGE] Lucy Moore m. William Monell To: "NYORANGE-L@rootsweb.com" <NYORANGE-L@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <4B96BC53.1050606@psyber.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Is anyone researching Lucy Moore who married William Monell in 1801 in Minisink? She is a possible sibling to my Isaac Moore. Nothing conclusive; that's what I am trying to find out. Lois in Auburn, CA ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 20:46:54 -0800 (PST) From: juliasgenes <juliasgenes@yahoo.com> Subject: [NYORANGE] Regarding: Elias Cameron SNYDER To: Orange List <NYORANGE@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <189583.27516.qm@web110001.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi - What paper and what date did you find the newspaper item in? I looked through microfilm at the Middletown library and couldn't find a mention of him, which I think is odd. I checked for the week following his 16 Sep 1893 death in the dailies and the next 2 issues in the weekly. I even checked this mailing list's archives to see that I wrote down the correct date. Although I found an item about a similar death in Trenton, NJ, plenty of other items for Port Jervis residents, even social notes from teensy-weensy Milford, PA, I didn't see anything about Elias' death. I looked at: Middletown Daily Press Middletown Daily Times Orange County Press I didn't look through the Middletown Argus as it's readily available online at ancestry.com and historical newspaper archive. I'll try to get to Port Jervis one day to look through the PJ paper, I just can't promise when. Yours, Julia ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 21:21:56 -0800 (PST) From: juliasgenes <juliasgenes@yahoo.com> Subject: [NYORANGE] Regarding: Laurel Grove Cemetery internments To: Orange List <NYORANGE@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <999102.61758.qm@web110005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi - There was a recent request for info on headstones in Laurel Grove Cemetery in Port Jervis, NY that a kind list member filled. Here's another resource: Port Jervis is geographically located in the overall Minisink Valley area. I mention this because the historical society local to PJ is the Minisink Valley Historical Society: http://minisink.org/index.shtml . They have burial records of the Cemetery's internees (not the headstones) - names, date of burial, plot numbers, etc. I have a copy of the Johnson page, myself. The MVHS has a small forum at it's site in which to enter queries. There's also a Minisink Valley mailing list on Rootsweb - it's very quiet and I don't know if anyone from the MVHS ever posts on it or not: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/usa/misc/misc.html#MinisinkValley ------------------------------ To contact the NYORANGE list administrator, send an email to NYORANGE-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the NYORANGE mailing list, send an email to NYORANGE@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYORANGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of NYORANGE Digest, Vol 5, Issue 29 ***************************************

If you can find an article on the accident you will be fortunate. Here is an example of one such article. Mr Conklin was my granduncle. Middletown Daily Press, Thursday, April 12, 1900: HIS FATAL STEP Brakeman Conklin Fell Between Cars Both Legs Severed Just Above the Knees Wife Summoned But He Died Before Her Arrival, Less Than Two Hours After Injury -Was Insured in the Trainmen Brotherhood. Roe P. Conklin, an O & W. brakeman on an extra south bound coal train. No. 175, Conductor Patrick Fallon, fell from his train and was run over, north of Rockland station, Wednesday night at 7:30. and died in the depot two hours later. At the time of the accident the train was running slow being about to enter the siding at Rockland so as not to meet train 7 which stops at that station. As the caboose was passing over the Willowemoc bridge Conductor Fallon and other of his crew in the caboose at the time heard a cry of distress and on going out tot he rear platform discovered the dim outline of a man lying across the car rails over the bridge still holding his brake stick in his hand. Mr. Fallon on alighting recognized the voice of Conklin who on noticing his approach called to him. "Hurry up Patsy I've been run over." Mr. Fallon replied, "Is that you Rosey" and the reply came back in the affirmative. Mr. Fallon found that Conklin's legs were completely severed above the knees and assisted by the other trainmen the unfortunate young man was carried as tenderly as possible to the depot, and Dr. Miller summoned. Everything possible was done for the sufferer but he never rallied from the shock and died as state. Mr. Conklin was head brakeman on the train which fact permitted him to ride in the engine except when actively engaged on the brakes. The last seen of him was when he started from the engine on approaching Rockland, to assist in setting up brakes before entering the switch, when he made a misstep and fell between the tank of the engine and first car directly across the rails, and the whole train consisting of 24 loaded coal gondola cars and the caboose passed over him. While Mr. Conkling did not tell all this, unmistakable evidence was found on the first car which substantiated the fact. Mr. Conklin was married September 20th last to Miss Ada Tervilliger, daughter of Mr. Wesley Terwilliger of this city, and it was pitiful to listen to his calling for her in his delirium. An unsuccessful effort was made to have the young wife reach him before the end. A dispatch was sent to her, and accompanied by her father, Mrs. Conklin left this city for Rockland on train 5 with orders for it to stop there for her. When the train reached Fallsburgh a dispatch awaited the hear-broken young woman which stated that her husband had died at the time mentioned. The remains were brought to this city on train 8 this morning and taken to Oserhout's morgue on James street. Where Mr. Conklin was run over is directly on the Wiilemoc bridge, and his fellow crew members fail to understand what kept his body from falling into the stream below. In such an event he would probably have drowned and his body been carried a long distance below before it would have been recovered. Mr. Conklin was born in Chester, N.Y., and was the only son of his parents Mr. and Mrs. James E. Conklin of 13 Grove street who survive with two daughters Eva K. and Carrie, both at home. Mr. Conklin's age is recorded on the O. & W. books in Supt. Hopkins' office as 23 years. Before going with the O. & W. he was employed on the Erie work for the longest period on the Greenwood Lake Branch. He was a member of Middletown Lodge No. 40, B of R.T., in which he was insured for $1,000. He also belonged to Wallkill Council, Jr. O.U.A.M. from which his widow will receive a death benefit of about $275, in addition to the above. Deceased was a member of the First Baptist church, which he joined three years ago. He is highly spoken of by all who knew him. He began housekeeping three weeks ago at No. 99 Linden avenue. Mr. Conklin learned the printers' trade and was employed for a time on the Argus and did "sub" work in the other offices. He was favorably know to the craft in this city who all join in expressing regret at his untimely death. Notice of the funeral, which will be under the direction of the Trainmen's Brotherhood and the O.U.A.M., will be announce tomorrow.

And as awful as Elias' tragedy was, it wasn't uncommon, even among railway workers. I have a great-granduncle from PJ who worked for the Erie in NJ. He was coupling cars together when he was crushed between two of them at age 22. Brakemen were especially vulnerable. They used to jump from the top of one car to another to manually set brakes on each one while the train was moving - and they did it in the dark, rain, wind, ice storms, etc. Many fell to their deaths under the train wheels. Another group with many fatalities were track-walkers. These employees would walk the tracks in their assigned sections to check on conditions...in the dark with only a small flickering lantern. They were struck by trains when they were caught unawares and were unseen by the engineers. Railroading was a rugged job all the way around, whether the employee scouted routes, leveled grades with shovels, built trestles over gorges, worked as a brakeman, or simply happened to ride a train during a bad derailment.

The Argus will probably have the very same item. The local papers "shared" a lot. Susan sent me page 3 from the Middletown Daily Press, 16 Sep 1893, to show that I wasn't going nuts. --- On Wed, 3/10/10, Bill & Judy Cuyle <bjcuyle@lightlink.com> wrote: ...I'll check the Middletown Argus. Judy

Thanks, Susan! That was driving me batty. I guess the "MIddletown Daily Times" was an evening paper. I started looking on the 17th instead. Doh! So, there SHOULD definitely be an obit given in the PJ paper on the 16th or 17th. I'll look for it when I get an opportunity to go there in the vague future. --- On Wed, 3/10/10, Susan Bennett-Perkowski <sbennettperkowski@gmail.com> wrote: From: Susan Bennett-Perkowski <sbennettperkowski@gmail.com> ...page 3 of the 16 Sep 1893 issue of the Middletown Daily Times with the artical concerning young Elias.   Sue

Hi I have a scan of the Middletown Daily Times (page 3) with this artical about Elias Snyder in it. I would be happy to send it to whomever needed it - Judy or Julia? Or both Sue On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 8:12 AM, Bill & Judy Cuyle <bjcuyle@lightlink.com>wrote: > Hi Julia: > > There's just a newspaper clipping of the accident pasted inside the front > cover of the Snyder Bible. It doesn't show the name of the paper or the > date, but it does say, "A fatal accident occurred at 6:45 o'clock this > morning to Elias Snyder, a lad of 16 years, at Germantown." It continues > with his place of work, the engine he was riding on, his father's name and > address, etc. The entry for his death in the Bible shows September 16, > 1893. > > Thank you very much for looking. I'll check the Middletown Argus. > > Judy > > At 11:46 PM 3/9/2010, you wrote: > >Hi - > > > >What paper and what date did you find the newspaper item in? > > > >I looked through microfilm at the Middletown library and couldn't find a > >mention of him, which I think is odd. I checked for the week following his > >16 Sep 1893 death in the dailies and the next 2 issues in the weekly. I > >even checked this mailing list's archives to see that I wrote down the > >correct date. > > > >Although I found an item about a similar death in Trenton, NJ, plenty of > >other items for Port Jervis residents, even social notes from > >teensy-weensy Milford, PA, I didn't see anything about Elias' death. > > > >I looked at: > >Middletown Daily Press > >Middletown Daily Times > >Orange County Press > > > >I didn't look through the Middletown Argus as it's readily available > >online at ancestry.com and historical newspaper archive. > > > >I'll try to get to Port Jervis one day to look through the PJ paper, I > >just can't promise when. > > > >Yours, Julia > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYORANGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Susan Bennett-Perkowski http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/b/e/n/Susan-M-Bennettperkowski/ http://bennettplusmott.familytreeguide.com/tree_index.php