Sue wrote: > Hi Liz: > > Boy, I wonder if this Joseph Smith you are looking for is related to the > family of Joseph Smith the founder and prophet of the LDS Church. It might > be a good lead to follow, because the Prophet Joseph Smith was involved at > Elmira, N.Y. I have some books that might help determine if this is the > case. There maybe be members of the LDS Church on the message board too, who > might have more info. ??? Check out family search for his pedigree. I am > sure it is prominent elsewhere on the web too. I > Sue To which Julia replied: > Are you sure he didn't move to PALMYRA? .^_^. > > Just kidding, of course. > > --- On Fri, 6/11/10, Dave & Liz DuBois <ddubois@sinclair.net <http://newmail.core.com/src/compose.php?send_to=ddubois%40sinclair.net>> wrote: > > ...Joseph Smith...moved to Elmira, NY > > Liz Excerpted from "The Ancestry & Posterity of Joseph Smith and Emma Hale" by Audentia Smith Anderson (1926) Founder, first president and Prophet of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons). In 1826 Joseph Smith [born 23 Dec 1805 in Sharon, Windsor, VT] made the acquaintance of Emma, the daughter of Isaac and Elizabeth (Lewis) Hale, well-to-do farmers living near Harmony (now Oakland), Susquehanna Co., PA. They were married at S. Bainbridge (now Afton), Chenango Co., NY, in the home of Esquire Tarbell, who performed the ceremony. They lived successively near _PALMYRA_ and Manchester, NY, and Harmony, PA, where in 1830 he was deeded twenty-eight acres of land by his father-in-law, copy of the transfer being still in the land offices of that county. Soon after this they moved to Kirtland, Lake Co., OH, and in 1837, to MO, and were among those who were forcibly driven from Caldwell Co. in 1838. In the spring of 1839 they established their home in Commerce, now Nauvoo, Hancock Co., IL, where they passed the rest of their lives. Best regards, Pam Sears

Nothing definitive but a possible lead. Follow me here. Elmira by then was part of Chemung Co but hadn't been for long, had earlier been Tioga Co, where there's even a Smithville. There were 3 sets of Smith families. I'm connected to one out of Orange County who may well have been 'over the line' into Chemung since I'd picked up these Smiths because they'd married into my John Hill family, who did move to Tioga / Chemung. > From: Dave & Liz DuBois <ddubois@sinclair.net> > Sue, > > Thank you for both of your responses.  I have > contacted the OCGS for > their help.  I've been a member for many years, hoping > to find a very > elusive Joseph Smith who lived in the Orange County area > and then moved > to Elmira, NY where he died in 1846.  I'll check with > the town and > village historians for Hezekiah Mead.  I keep hoping > something new will > emerge! > > Thanks for your good advice! > Liz

Hi Julia. It was a pleasure meeting you at surrogate court yesterday, and to give you a quick tour of Orange County Genealogical Society, the greatest "hidden asset" in Orange County as far as genealogists are concerned. As far as identification, I'd recommend following the index format, as that's what the next person would need to find the same document year, first name, last name, type, liber, page. one exception - for inventories use the exact date instead of liber and page I'm still working on indexing the wills at Orange County Surrogate Court from 1831 to 1865, as an "add-on" to the very popular book "Early Wills of Orange County NY 1787-1830". Rough estimate is about 2,000 to 2,300 entries when finished. It will just tell people that there is a will available. But wills are not the only type of documents. A letter of administration is a positive statement that no valid will was ever recorded. Guardianships name one or both parents. Decrees can include many key facts. I always recommend copying everything for a given person. My index will not include all probate records - just wills, and it will not include any abstracts. To index everything is far too big a project for one person to tackle. In a previous message to this list I named the 12 wills which that book missed - but they definitely are at surrogate court. I hope that helps. And now off to Vermont, to see our granddaughter graduate from high school tonight. Marty Irons

Liz, According to Sampubco.com there is a will on file in Chemung County for a Joseph Smith of Elmira in the 1840's time period that would fit your guy. Have you checked with the Surrogate's court there? Sampubco would only have the will from micriofilm. I would get the whole estate file from Elmira. Dick Hillenbrand Upstate New York Genealogy www.UNYG.com/ On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 2:47 AM, Dave & Liz DuBois <ddubois@sinclair.net>wrote: > Sue, > > If 'my' Joseph Smith was related to the LDS one, they'd likely be > cousins of some sort. My ancestor was a deacon in the Baptist church > and when he moved to Elmira, he was active in the Baptist church there. > In the obit for one of his daughters he was referred to as having been a > "prominent citizen of Orange County". Do your books show him at all? > > Liz > > On 6/10/2010 10:17 PM, Goldsage@aol.com wrote: > > Hi Liz: > > > > Boy, I wonder if this Joseph Smith you are looking for is related to the > > family of Joseph Smith the founder and prophet of the LDS Church. It > might > > be a good lead to follow, because the Prophet Joseph Smith was involved > at > > Elmira, N.Y. I have some books that might help determine if this is the > > case. There maybe be members of the LDS Church on the message board > too, who > > might have more info. ??? Check out family search for his pedigree. I > am > > sure it is prominent elsewhere on the web too. I > > Sue > > > > > > In a message dated 6/10/2010 9:34:13 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > > ddubois@sinclair.net writes: > > > > Sue, > > > > Thank you for both of your responses. I have contacted the OCGS for > > their help. I've been a member for many years, hoping to find a very > > elusive Joseph Smith who lived in the Orange County area and then moved > > to Elmira, NY where he died in 1846. I'll check with the town and > > village historians for Hezekiah Mead. I keep hoping something new will > > emerge! > > > > Thanks for your good advice! > > Liz > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYORANGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Liz: Boy, I wonder if this Joseph Smith you are looking for is related to the family of Joseph Smith the founder and prophet of the LDS Church. It might be a good lead to follow, because the Prophet Joseph Smith was involved at Elmira, N.Y. I have some books that might help determine if this is the case. There maybe be members of the LDS Church on the message board too, who might have more info. ??? Check out family search for his pedigree. I am sure it is prominent elsewhere on the web too. I Sue In a message dated 6/10/2010 9:34:13 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, ddubois@sinclair.net writes: Sue, Thank you for both of your responses. I have contacted the OCGS for their help. I've been a member for many years, hoping to find a very elusive Joseph Smith who lived in the Orange County area and then moved to Elmira, NY where he died in 1846. I'll check with the town and village historians for Hezekiah Mead. I keep hoping something new will emerge! Thanks for your good advice! Liz ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYORANGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sue, If 'my' Joseph Smith was related to the LDS one, they'd likely be cousins of some sort. My ancestor was a deacon in the Baptist church and when he moved to Elmira, he was active in the Baptist church there. In the obit for one of his daughters he was referred to as having been a "prominent citizen of Orange County". Do your books show him at all? Liz On 6/10/2010 10:17 PM, Goldsage@aol.com wrote: > Hi Liz: > > Boy, I wonder if this Joseph Smith you are looking for is related to the > family of Joseph Smith the founder and prophet of the LDS Church. It might > be a good lead to follow, because the Prophet Joseph Smith was involved at > Elmira, N.Y. I have some books that might help determine if this is the > case. There maybe be members of the LDS Church on the message board too, who > might have more info. ??? Check out family search for his pedigree. I am > sure it is prominent elsewhere on the web too. I > Sue > > > In a message dated 6/10/2010 9:34:13 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > ddubois@sinclair.net writes: > > Sue, > > Thank you for both of your responses. I have contacted the OCGS for > their help. I've been a member for many years, hoping to find a very > elusive Joseph Smith who lived in the Orange County area and then moved > to Elmira, NY where he died in 1846. I'll check with the town and > village historians for Hezekiah Mead. I keep hoping something new will > emerge! > > Thanks for your good advice! > Liz > >

Hi, Mr. Irons ~ I forgot to ask you what citation I should give the records I found. I know this is the Surrogate Court, 9th District, Orange County, NY. So what is official name of those gigantic indexes: "Surrogate Court Records, Index L-Z, 1787-1898"? And for the individual records, are they written as, say: "1881, Decree, Liber K, Page 491" or "Letters of Administration, Liber F, Page 84, 1827" for example? Thanks, Julia

It wouldn't hurt to check both places. The town historian was my gold mind, although she passed away about five years ago. Also when I was working in that area, the Bellvale also seemed to be interchangeable with Warwick. Have you checked with the Orange County Genealogical Society in Goshen for more information? They have a wonder group of volunteers who do some fantastic research. I am forever in their debt and will be a life member. They are by far the best and most generous society I have worked with in N.Y. Here is their web site in case you haven't seen it. OCGSNY.org. There is a new book coming out that you might want to check on from OCGS. It's Orange County Jury Lists Volume One 1798-1825, by Kenneth Dunning. This might be a great tool in your research. I know I am going to order a copy. Sue Simonich In a message dated 6/10/2010 7:23:05 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, richvh@citlink.net writes: Dave & Liz DuBois wrote: > In my quest for information on the Hezekiah MEAD family, living in > Orange County, I wanted to contact the historian for Warwick BUT I find > there is both a town and a village named Warwick and each one has their > own historian. How do I determine which person I should be writing to? > > Many thanks! > The town is older than, and contains, the village. In New York, villages are urban areas smaller than a city that have been incorporated, but remain part of the town they are formed out of. Towns are originally rural subdivisions of a county. If your Hezekiah Mead was a farmer, he would most likely not have been in Warwick village. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYORANGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Are you sure he didn't move to PALMYRA? .^_^. Just kidding, of course. --- On Fri, 6/11/10, Dave & Liz DuBois <ddubois@sinclair.net> wrote: ...Joseph Smith...moved to Elmira, NY Liz

Both??? The Village of Warwick (mercantile district & residential streets) is surrounded by the Town of Warwick. Towns in NY aren't like what you think of when you picture "small towns". They are usually larger, more rural bodies, several making up a county. They are what many other states call a "township". (I don't know if gigantic NYC, made up of 5 counties, has any Town organization.) At Marty Irons' urging, I went to the OC Surrogate Court in Goshen and found a small handful of the many folks I HOPED to find, but it was cool nevertheless and remarkably pain free. Thanks, Marty!!! While I was looking through the index book for L-Z, 1787-1898, I cruised past "Mead" and stopped to look. Between Mead/Meads/Meade, there are a bunch. The oldest is Nathaniel Mead of Cornwall, died 1807. The next listing chronologically was Josiah, d 1826. Maybe Marty can get some of the records if you want, as he seems to have the run of the place. He charges very little for the effort. Warwick is a very pretty Village AND Town, if you ever get to visit. Julia --- On Thu, 6/10/10, Dave & Liz DuBois <ddubois@sinclair.net> wrote: ...there is both a town and a village named Warwick and each one has their own historian.  How do I determine which person I should be writing to? Liz

Dave & Liz DuBois wrote: > In my quest for information on the Hezekiah MEAD family, living in > Orange County, I wanted to contact the historian for Warwick BUT I find > there is both a town and a village named Warwick and each one has their > own historian. How do I determine which person I should be writing to? > > Many thanks! > The town is older than, and contains, the village. In New York, villages are urban areas smaller than a city that have been incorporated, but remain part of the town they are formed out of. Towns are originally rural subdivisions of a county. If your Hezekiah Mead was a farmer, he would most likely not have been in Warwick village.

I neglected to mention that I've been told that Barber had her fair share of errors in her typescripts.

I was recently told about the work of Gertrude Barber and her mission to transcribe headstones, will indexes, some family Bibles, and newspaper items from Rockland County up into central NYS. Thanks! I recently discovered hat on HeritageQuest, they have armfuls of Ms Barber's typescript pamphlets from the 1930s-1940s online and download-able, 50 pages at a time. I DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE COPYRIGHT STATUS IS, as all these works fall with copyright protection. Perhaps she or her estate has given HQ permission, or because they are considered facts, which are not copyrightable, I don't know. When I get around to it, I plan to try to contact HQ about this. Anyhow, to get to HQ, ask your local librarian how to do this. You can access HQ from home, usually though your library's website - if they subscribe. Yours, Julia

Richard - thank you! And a big "Thanks!" to all of you who so graciously sent me ideas, suggestions as well as actual cemetery info for my Wisners! I appreciate your help and ideas! Many thanks! Liz On 6/10/2010 7:22 PM, Richard VanHouten wrote: > Dave& Liz DuBois wrote: >> In my quest for information on the Hezekiah MEAD family, living in >> Orange County, I wanted to contact the historian for Warwick BUT I find >> there is both a town and a village named Warwick and each one has their >> own historian. How do I determine which person I should be writing to? >> >> Many thanks! >> > The town is older than, and contains, the village. In New York, > villages are urban areas smaller than a city that have been > incorporated, but remain part of the town they are formed out of. Towns > are originally rural subdivisions of a county. If your Hezekiah Mead > was a farmer, he would most likely not have been in Warwick village. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYORANGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Sue, Thank you for both of your responses. I have contacted the OCGS for their help. I've been a member for many years, hoping to find a very elusive Joseph Smith who lived in the Orange County area and then moved to Elmira, NY where he died in 1846. I'll check with the town and village historians for Hezekiah Mead. I keep hoping something new will emerge! Thanks for your good advice! Liz

Barryville is in Sullivan County and PJ is also quite close to Sullivan - lots of interaction. If you haven't already, post on the Sullivan list, too. Couldn't hurt. (Are you a chef specializing in Thanksgiving? Mmmmmm!) --- On Wed, 6/9/10, ButtrbaII@aol.com <ButtrbaII@aol.com> wrote: ...searching for information on a William Coyne...Believe William is  brother to Thomas G. Coyne, born 1837 Barryville... Pat

Westchester County Genealogical Society (NY) Upcoming Meeting The next meeting is this coming Saturday. MEETING INFO: WHAT: Writing the Family Narrative - A talk by Tony Lauriano WHEN: Saturday, June 12, 2010 @ 10 a.m. WHERE: Aldersgate Methodist Church, 600 Broadway in Dobbs Ferry (across from Mercy College on route 9) Tony Lauriano has been lecturing in New York and New Jersey on Genealogy since his retirement as Director of Finance for Catholic Hospitals in Brooklyn/Queens Dicoese in 2005. Lauriano brings a high quality of research effort and detail into his genealogy research. During his lectures, Tony provides research tips that require little or no travel but can be accomplished via the internet as well as through the postal mail. This talk will present suggestions on how to produce a family narrative that will be well received by using family stories and the data collected through your research. Guests are always welcome. Coffee and conversation precede the meeting at 9:30 a.m. For information about Westchester County Genealogical Society (Westchester Connection or Surname List), visit WCGS home page -- _http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywcgs/_ (http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywcgs/) Hope to see you on Saturday!!

Sue Gardner is the deputy historian. She is at the library in Warwick. _sgardner@ansernet.rcls.org_ (mailto:sgardner@ansernet.rcls.org) In a message dated 6/10/2010 12:25:34 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, ddubois@sinclair.net writes: In my quest for information on the Hezekiah MEAD family, living in Orange County, I wanted to contact the historian for Warwick BUT I find there is both a town and a village named Warwick and each one has their own historian. How do I determine which person I should be writing to? Many thanks! Liz ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYORANGE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Elizabeth Whitaker born 1793 http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=whitaker&GSfn=elizabeth&GSbyrel=in&GSdyrel=in&GSst=36&GScnty=2013&GScntry=4&GSob=n&GRid=17260024& Agnes Chandler born 1793 http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=chandler&GSfn=agnes&GSbyrel=in&GSdyrel=in&GSst=36&GScnty=2013&GScntry=4&GSob=n&GRid=46071700& Liz, you can search for the other Wisner girls at findagrave.com by clicking on "include maiden name". http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gs& Marty findagrave.com contributor since 2007

Charles, Here is some info I think will help. While I can't say for sure that I have everything correct I am fairly sure I found the correct families. I kept the spelling the way I found it in the census. 1930 Dist #1, Yonkers, Westchester, New York ODENWALDER, Margarit 61 NY Frances Son 33 MULLEN, Mary E. Sister 60 MCGARRY, George Lodger 59 1920 Dist #203, Yonkers Ward #1, Westchester, New York ODENWALDER, Margaret 51 Mary 25 daugther Frances E. 23 son MULLEN, Mary 54 sister MCGARRY, George 48 brother 1910 Dist #143, Yonkers Ward #2, Westchester, New York ODENWALDER, Margaret 42 NY Ireland Mary 16 Frances 13 MULLEN, Mary 48 MCGARRY, Ethel 15 niece 1900 Dist #118, White Plains, Westchester, New York OWDUNWATTE, Edward Oct 1869 Margaret Apr 1868 Mary Mar 1894 Frances May 1896 Harold J. Feb 1899 Frances Feb 1840 father 1900 Dist #118, White Plains, Westchester, New York MCGARRY, Bridget Dec 1837 MULLIN, Marry E. Mar 1865 daughter MCGARRY, John Sep 1869 son George Mar 1871 son Esther Dec 1895 it say daughter but is probably granddaugther 1880 Carmel, Putnam, New York MCGARRY, Bridget 47 Thomas 18 Kate 16 Mary E. 15 Maggie 13 John J. 11 Patrick 9 (I think this is George in later census) Peter 6 1870 Carmel, Putnam, New York MCGARRY, Micheal 40 Bridget 33 Thomas 8 Catherine 7 Mary E. 5 Margaret 3 John J. 1 Hope this helps Janet Newkirk Sparks