No that is not the correct address for OCGS. It is k2mi@juno.com. The man in charge is Mike Irons with help from Pat Waters & Linda Burroughs.

Dear Galileo, Are you in the same hornet's nest I am?? I am trying to figure out if my ancestor was descended from a John or a Joseph Carpenter, if either. I have John Carpenter m Ruth Coe (A B Carpenter book - Wm of Rehoboth whose son John migrated to LI) with obvious errors in that generation. Then there is a query from someone in Wis. (E.H.T.) in the old Foley, Early Settlers of NY book that asked if Joseph Carpenter Jr. and Sarah Arnold were the parents or grandparents of the John Carpenter who married Ruth Coe!!!!!!!!!! This same query has a bunch of questions re. the Wisner family (one of mine also) and then asks, "Deacon John Smith lived in Goshen Orange Co during the Rev. War and was the father of Asa b...1760 who married Sarah Carpenter. Did John Smith serve his country during the War?" Anyway, re. your Joseph Carpenter who married Sarah Latting - do you know if he were in any way affiliated with either Wm Morrell or Phineas Dun? I seem to find a Joseph Carpenter in Orange Co. (and certainly they are hard to sort out) whose seems to be a neighbor of Dun and/or Morrell. Thank you, Phoebe

Well put, Sharon - from a OCGS member too

James - The Sloat family of Orange Co has connections to the Comfort family. I don't know about the book you reference - but do know that one of my great grand-cousins, Charles Comfort (b 1888, d?), did a lot of work on the family. I believe that the product of his work is in the OCGS. I don't have Comfort's in my files back beyond Theodore (father of Charles) who married a Sloat. Frank Sloat

The 1764 will of Reverend Silas LEONARD of Newburgh mentions the following children: his sons ( Silas, James, John, WIlliam, George) and his "5 youngest daughters" (Jane CARPENTER, Elizabeth SMITH, Temperance LEONARD, Catharine SMITH, Abigail LEONARD). Executors" "my wife [Elizabeth] and son Silas and Benjamin CARPENTER". Witnesses: Gilbert DENTON, James DENTON, Leonard SMITH __________________________________________________________ I think that this Benjamin CARPENTER married Jane LEONARD in 1760 in Newburgh NY. Is he the son of Joseph CARPENTER & Sarah LATTING? Jane's sister, Abigail LEONARD married James WOODEN in 1776 in Newburgh. Any information on the siblings of Jane LEONARD CARPENTER and Abigail LEONARD WOODEN would be greatly appreciated. GALILEO15@aol.com

Eager's history was originally published in 1846/7 - and goes back to early times. I do not know the dates on Ruttenber & Clark, or the third - Headley. Frank Sloat

This isn't an answer -- but maybe a clue. Coe is a very old Connecticut family going back to about 1640 (and a distant ancestor of Sir Winston Churchill). You might try looking across the border in Fairfield Co., CT. For example, on 20 Dec 1682, Capt. John Coe married Mary Hawley, b. 16 Jul 1663 in Stratford CT. And another John Coe. b. 1649 married Sarah Pabodie, granddaughter of Priscilla Mullins and John Alden. And the name Marston did carry on in NY from somebody -- I dated a Marston in college. ;-). Linda

Folks, AB Carpenter book pg. 82 lists ch. of "John Carpenter 74 of John 24" This is regarding the listed children of JOHN 74 and his wife RUTH COE. # 295 Ruth. Her bd was given as "about 1720" which has to be in total error as she married first: EPHRAIM MARSTON "Jan 15 1781" who was listed as killed in the Battle of Minisink (I have seen no record of children born to them - were there any?) married next: PETER STAGG "April 29, 1788." ___________________________________________________________________ GENESA County recrods April 1, 1843 The people of the state of New York To: MAHALA STAGE, JAMES STAGE, ISAAC N. STAGE, ROBERT F. STAGE and HANNAH BURDEN all of Stafford in the county of Genesa and state of New York. SALLY COLMAN of Amity in the county of Orange and Isaac N. Stage, special gurardian of HARRIET E. STAGE heirs and next of kin of PETER STAGE, late of the town of Stafford in the county of Genesa, deceased, has applied to the Surrogate of the said county of Genesee, for the proof of the said will, which will relate to real and personal estate. YOU ARE THEREFORE hereby cited to appear before the said Surrogate, at his office in Batavia in said county on the 10 day of May next at 9 o'clock in the forenoon. to attend the probate of said will. Given under the hand and Official Seal of the Suarrogate, at Batavia in said county this first day of April 1843. T Fitch Surrogate __________________________________________________________________ The Coleman's history of Thomas Coleman pg 74 indicates that Benjamin Coleman's son GABRIEL married 5 Feb 1811 SALLY b 1788, dau of PETER STAGG and RUTH CARPENTER, widow of Ephraim Marston. Gabriel and Ruth's children were: James Milton b 1808 m Mary Ann Timlow Bradner b 1810 m Prudence Sayer Susan b 1812 m Lewis Parkhurst Garbiel's father, Benjamin (son of Benjamin) b 1755 Goshen, OR CO, NY, d. 1832 married HANNAH FINCH, dau of JOHN and CHRISTIAN (CARPENTER) FINCH. _______________________________________________________________- Orange Co. Historical and Biographical Record pg 1125 notes that Roswell CARPENTER Coleman son of James CARPENTER Coleman who married Phoebe Meade was gr. grandson of Benjamin b 1755 who m Hannah (CARPENTER) Finch who was born 1761 (that would be the mother not the dau. above). It further states that "she" and "her" father's family were refugees of the Wyoming Massacre (1779). Does anyone know if HANNAH CARPENTER dau or wife of JOHN FITCH married BENJAMIN COLEMAN? Were the FITCH or CARPENTER families refugees of WYOMING massacre? I would like to exchange CARPENTER information with anyone who might like to help me straighten out this CARPENTER FAMILY HISTORY. Several of us have been trying 1. Figure out this "family." 2. Identify Ruth Coe and find the marriage record of John Carpenter and Ruth Coe. 3. Follow the descendants of the listed children to try to verify the ancestors. Any assistance would be welcome. Thank you, Phoebe in CA

Come on gang.... This has reached a point of pettiness -- and I for one would like to get on with the purpose of the list. Each of us has recieved some help along the years of working on these projects and each of us has either shared or not shared, depending on our "bent". That's a personal choice. Help is a blessing, but definitely a personal choice! Respect for each other and gentle (as opposed to harsh and rude) nudging in the right direction is all that is needed to help the novice researcher on this list or any other learn what s/he needs to learn. How about putting this topic to bed and getting on with things? Our list director nicely asked that awhile ago. Thanks and bless each of you in your research -- be it new or old.

Joanne, The issue has nothing to do with lookups but with people coming unprepared to a list whose function is sharing information, not teaching basic genealogy. There are many sources for that - books, websites, classes. I'm on a great many lists and am perfectly willing to share information, but I believe that everyone should be made aware of all of the "how-to" material that's available. I spend many hours doing lookups for people in my own geographic area, but I've stopped responding to people who ask for ready-made answers rather than asking how to find out for themselves. After all, if the proper technique isn't there, the result is useless and more often than not, just plain wrong. I think Phil gave the perfect answer - I won't do it for you until you've done your homework. Ann

Let me introduce myself, I am Sandy Williams and along with Jose Rivera Nieves we work together to run this list and the Orange County, New York Gen Web. This list is for questions, request, information and discussion on Orange County Genealogy. Most request are made to "someone, anyone" who has the time, or the information. If a request is made to a individual and that individual does not want to handle the request, PLEASE, answer the sender directly and not on the list. I personally was offended by the original reply to BJ and offer a sincere apologies for such rudeness. RUDENESS WILL NOT BE TOLERATE. Offenders will be removed from this list. This list is for all, new ones who need help on everything to the oldies who can pass it on. Thank you Sandy Williams > Subject: no more look ups? > Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 22:34:11 EST > From: BeegeA@aol.com > To: NYORANGE-L@rootsweb.com > > Thanks for giving me the information on your sources, Joanne. But after the > arrogance of a recent post regarding lookups I don't think I have the nerve > to ask anyone anything regarding an ancestor from Orange County. Kind of > ruins the spirit of the whole list, doesn't it? > > BJ Anderson > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------

I'm not sure if this is what you are asking for. Hope it is. Orange County Genealogical Society 101 Main Street Goshen, NY 10924 http://www.rootsweb.com/~nozell/ocgs/ > > I wonder if someone would be so kind to once again post the address of the Orange > County Historical Society and joining information, plus the list of books > available. That information was saved on the hard drive of my old computer and is > now lost. > > Don't trust your computer's hard drive. > > Marie Thingelstad > >

Dear Listers, I wonder if someone would be so kind to once again post the address of the Orange County Historical Society and joining information, plus the list of books available. That information was saved on the hard drive of my old computer and is now lost. Don't trust your computer's hard drive. Marie Thingelstad

Hi List, I'd like to trade information with anyone researching these families and/or correspond with cousins. The Millers had a mill in Orange County. (? near present day Monroe). The family was split by the Rev. War with both patriots and loyalists. Garret MILLER b: 1737 d: 1778 in NY (parents: William + Magra) + Patience (Miller) Children: Joshua Miller Mary Miller Elizabeth MILLER b: 1 Aug 1754 in Smith's Clove, Orange Co, NY d: 6 Jun 1815 in Cannifton, Thurlow Co, Ontario + Philip ROBLIN b: 1750 in Beekman, NY m: in Orange Co, NY d: 1788 in Adolphustown, Ontario + John CANNIFF b: 23 Jan 1757 in Bedford, Westchester Co, NY m: 1793 in Adolphstown, Ontario d: 1843 in Bellville, Ontario Garret MILLER, Jr. b: 1758 in Smith's Clove, NY d: 2 May 1824 in Millertown, PA + Mary Smith b: 1759 m: 1778 in Orange County, NY d: 11 May 1824 Nathan Miller Sarah Miller Samuel Miller Anne Miller Hampton Miller b: NY m. Quebec Jeremiah Miller Two Roblin brothers lived in Orange Co: Philip ROBLIN (1760-1788) + Elizabeth MILLER Owen ROBLIN, Sr. Their cousins lived in NJ or NY: John ROBLIN (1760-1793) + Sarah Wessels Stephen ROBLIN (1761-1823) Ann ROBLIN + Nicholas Wessels Other Orange Co. families I'm reseaching: FULLER, HAWLEY Families I'm researching that lived in neighboring counties: Lossing, Johnson/Janszen, Sills (vonSell), Emigh, Wyatt, Cadman, Cook, Oakley, Rull/Roll, Sniffen/Kniffen I have more information on most of these families. Is anyone researching these families, especially siblings of my direct lines? connections? cousins? Thanks, Linda Burkell

Hi List, I'd like to trade information with anyone researching these families and/or correspond with cousins. The Fullers moved to Middletown, Orange Co., NY about 1864 from CT. The brothers had a wholesale merchandising business in Middletown. . 2 Azariel Charles FULLER b: 1836 in CT d: 1922 in Middletown, Orange Co .... + Margaret L. HAWLEY b: 1839 in CT d: 1864 in Danbury, CT ........... 3 Charles Homer FULLER b: 1857 d: 1927 in Rochester, NY ............... + Mary Jane DWYER b: 1864 in Utica, Oneida Co, NY d: 1949 in Rochester, NY ............ 3 Granville Hawley FULLER b: 1860 ............... + Anna (Fuller) *2nd Wife of Azariel Charles Fuller: .... + Adaline SWEET b: 1842 in Bloomingburg, NY m: 1867 in Middletown NY, d: 1927 in Middletown, Orange Co, NY ........... 3 Matilda FULLER d: 1868 - 1874 in infancy in Middletown, NY ........... 3 Henry Halstead FULLER b: 1868 in Middletown, NY ........... 3 Julia Antoinette FULLER b: 1872 in Middletown, NY d: 1914 . 2 Granville B. FULLER b: 1838 in CT .... +Virginia (Fuller) I'm also interested in this family as they are related (somehow...): 1 somebody FULLER .. + Augusta Louise HOLMBRAKER b: 1865 in Middletown, NY m: 1890 in Goshen, NY d: 1947 in Middletown, NY ........ 2 Harold FULLER b: 1896 in Middletown, NY d: 1954 in Bronx, NY ............ + Mary Adelaide THOMSON b: 1898 in Downsville, NY m: 1920 in Downsville, NY d: 1974 in Montgomery, NY ........ 2 Hawley Abel FULLER b: 1893 in Danbury, Ct ............ + Helen Adele CROSBY b: 1897 in Middletown, NY ........ 2 Leila Carolyn FULLER b: 25 Feb 1896 in Danbury, Connecticut ........ 2 Candace Bernice FULLER b: 1898 in Middletown, NY d: 1998 in Goshen ........ 2 Tom Johnson FULLER b: 1901 in Mt Vernon d: 1901 in Middletown Other Orange Co. families I'm reseaching: ROBLIN, MILLER Families I'm researching that lived in neighboring counties: Lossing, Johnson/Janszen, Sills (vonSell), Emigh, Wyatt, Cadman, Cook, Oakley, Rull/Roll, Sniffen/Kniffen I have more information on most of these families. Is anyone researching these families, especially siblings of my direct lines? connections? cousins? Thanks, Linda Burkell

MJ, I agree. I've been thinking about his post and have read similar comments in other places. It's almost as if those family researchers who have been doing this for years, resent the fact that the internet has made it easier and faster for those just getting into the hobby then it was in the past for those who had to do all of it the hard way. The internet has also made this hobby possible for those people who don't have the time and for people homebound. People have helped me and I am extremely grateful for the help. Sometimes I have been overwhelmed by their generosity. In return, I have passed along what I have found to other cousins and try to help whenever I can. Fortunately, he is not representative of the majority of people on these discussion lists. Like you, I wish I had started this research when my parent's and their generation were still living, and wish I lived in the Northeast, it would be so much easier. It may be reasonable to assume that because Charlie is here on this list, that perhaps he also is looking for some information that would be helpful in his research. Marie KeKaste@aol.com wrote: > As near as I can tell, nobody is forcing Phil,Charles or anyone else to do > anything for anyone ,but personally I am pleased to aid anyone I can > especially considering that the blessings flow both ways. I wish i did not > live 3,000 miles from NY and NJ and it is unfortunate that I have no older > relatives (retired) with time to help. I write alot of letters and send for > books, records,use the FHC etc, but when NY (Albany) takes 6 mos just to get > a reply, I do sometimes turn to my fellow listers for leads. I owe many > people a great debt of gratitude for what they've shared,if everyone had > Charle's attitude, internet genealogy would be a bust. I am also puzzled as > to why someone who wasn't looking for help or to give help would wish to > subscribe to this list. > MJ Kaste

I may be mistaken but, I have been under the opinion that these lists were for helping each other find ancestral and descendent information. I wonder, what would the purpose be if no one made any queries? Am I missing something here? It saddens me to think that people from all over the world have gotten such a poor opinion of us here on this list the last day or so. I was raised in Orange County, and now live in the state of Florida. I belong to the OCGS which I think is one of the friendliest and nicest ones that I have been involved with and recommend membership often. I do hope that those from afar will not confuse this mess with the OCGS as was indicated in a message earlier. I will always try to help others with information if I can with the hope that when I need some help, someone will be there for me. If one feels so resentful of passing on information then they should just sit back and ignore the requests. Perhaps their lurking will one day give them some useful info and they will be inclined to reciprocate. But, please lets not continue this useless bantering back and forth. Lets get back to finding cousins. Remember one never knows who will turn out to be a relative and couldn't that be interesting after all this!!!!!!! To all of you who have been offended I apologize and hope you will give us another chance to help you find some snippet of information. Have a wonderful day all. Sharon

Dear Listers What a lively evening. I've printed all the responses to "The Expert" There are some wonderful nuggets of information for this poor old "Neo" genealogist. Can anyone tell me about the 2 books referred to - Samuel Eager's History of Orange County and Ruttenber & Clark - History of Orange County NY. Are they informative for the years between 1835 - 1850. Is there an Archives of the Catholic Church in Orange County for the years as early as 1800 on? I can't tell you all how your kind words cheered me up - I was feeling pretty low after reading "The Experts" opinion of "Neo" genealogists. I'm trying to trace my paternal grandfather in Ireland - now that's a challenge. A very kind person on the County Cork list suggested I write to the Parish Priest of the town he came from. I have since heard back from the priest saying he has relayed my request to the appropriate person and will receive an answer in due course. Anyone researching someone from Ireland knows how difficult that is in the early 1800's Again many thanks to everyone, particularly Ardis, Ralph,Mike G., B.J.,Bertha,Phil, M.J.and especially Linda - hope supper didn't burn. I am going to make a trip to the Family History Centre to see if I can get a copy of the 1850 Census for Orange County to search. 1860 is no good - she was in British Columbia Canada then. Pat

Dear List, The request for the OCGS book list has been overwhelming but I am keeping up with the requests. Many of the requests indicated they wanted information about the Society which I am posting here again. I hope this answers everyone's questions. Dan Burrows dburrows2@juno.com ORANGE COUNTY GENEALOGICAL SOCIETY 101 Main Street, Goshen, NY 10924 The Orange County Genealogical Society (OCGS) was formed in 1971 and is now commencing its 29th Year. The purposes of the Society are to encourage genealogical research, collect and preserve genealogical and family papers making them available for study, and educate the public as to the importance of genealogical research for the preservation of the family --- past, present and future. Membership is open to anyone with an interest in genealogy. Monthly meetings are the 1st Saturday of the month at 9AM. Most meetings are followed by a guest speaker on a genealogical or historical subject. The Society has 6 major working Committees that are responsible for its success: The Program Committee puts on an Annual Seminar and an Annual Dinner each May, organizes the Genealogy Classes, and arranges for our guest speakers. The Research Room Committee staffs our facilities in the 1841 Courthouse. They are constantly acquiring new materials to help researchers by either purchase or donation. They arrange for bookbinding and other preservation projects. OCGS has one of the most extensive Genealogical collections in the area. The hours are as follows: EVERY MONDAY & FRIDAY MORNINGS (Except Holidays) 8:30 - 1200 FIRST & THIRD TUESDAY EVENINGS (Of Each Month) 6:30 - 9:30 FIRST & THIRD WEDNESDAY ALL DAY (Of Each Month) 8:30 - 4:00 THIRD SATURDAY ALL DAY (Of Each Month) 9:00 - 4:00 FIRST SATURDAY AFTERNOON (After meeting & program) 12:00 - 4:00 The Editorial Committee publishes a 12 page fact-filled Quarterly Journal every three months and an annual index. A 25 year Subject Index is planned for the near future. Back issues are available for purchase which offer hours of interesting reading. The Membership Committee constantly maintains a file of our nearly 1,000 members across the nation, Canada, and other countries. Annual dues are only $10.00 per year which entitle you to our Quarterly Journal, free queries, and a chance to do some volunteer work if you prefer. A five year membership is available for $45.00 Life membership is available for $175.00. You may send a stamped self-addressed envelope to the Society and request information about membership or visit us in Goshen and inquire in person. The Publications Committee manages the Society's "Items Offered For Sale" and the mailing of the Quarterly Journal. New items that would aid Orange County researchers are constantly being added. You may send a stamped self-addressed business size envelope to the Society and request a copy of the publications list or request the list from this address to be sent by email. Please put OCGS BOOK LIST in the subject area. The Correspondence Committee will answer short, to the point requests for information. Please sum up your request in one paragraph, include a stamped self-addressed envelope, and perhaps a small donation of a dollar or two to cover copying costs. You may request information about the Society or a list of items for sale in the same letter. Only regular mail is used by this committee due to the large volume of requests they receive. They have no means of receiving email and they do not have a web site. Throughout the past 28 years the Society has undertaken many projects that it has felt useful to the genealogical world. We have published 3 Cemetery books and are currently working on our 4th. We have reprinted the 3 major Orange County Histories with new indexes to make them easy to use. We have worked closely with other organizations and libraries and shared resources with them to make information more readily available. The Orange County Genealogical Society welcomes new members and appreciates all those who offer so much of their volunteer time. ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.

AMEN!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: Bertha Emmett <sigler@ivnet.com> To: <NYORANGE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 11:25 PM Subject: Lookup Opinion > I have been reading with interest the discussion on lookup requests. It > amazes me that there are people who do not enjoy helping others with > their ancestor's research. I live in a county in north central > Illinois, and our genealogy guild has over 950 members nation wide - (1) > because our local members are very good about answering queries (2) we > make fellow researchers from other areas feel welcome when they visit > our guild library for research. I have helped so many people with > finding information in our county, and I love doing it. There has been > times, in fact, where I get so involved that I keep digging until I can > find additional information that was not requested. Every fellow > genealogist in my area, that I know of, thinks that assisting others > with census, cemetery, obituaries, etc lookups are repaying others for > help that was given to us at one time or another. Please do not take > the fun out of genealogy by quibbling about lookups. >