Just dealing with the male COMFORTs. First record in NY is Gererdus COMFORT - Albany, NY - 1693 Gererdus COMFORT - NYC - 1728 Thomas COMFORT - Newtown, LI - 1727 Benjamin COMFORT- Newtown, LI - 1731 John COMFORT - Orange Co., 1776 Benjamin COMFORT - Montgomery, Orange Co. - 1800 Daniel COMFORT - Montgomery, Orange Co., - 1800 Joshua COMFORT - Montgomery, Orange Co., - 1800 Edward COMFORT - Deer Park, Orange Co., - 1800 Jacob COMFORT - Deer Park, Orange Co., - 1800 Richard COMFORT - Deer Park, Orange Co., - 1800 William COMFORT - Montgomery, Orange Co., 1800 Benjamin COMFORT m. Elizabeth YOUNGBLOOD, December 17, 1780 Montgomery Joshua COMFORT m. Phene WILSON, November 12, 1795, Thompson Ridge William COMFORT m. Maria JOHNSON, April 10, 1777, Montgomery John COMFORT m. Catherine HARRIS, NY, July 13, 1782 Hope this helps......Bob Smith.....Shelby, NC

Well, that sure gives me a whole new direction to look as a possibility. Certainly never thought of looking for Anna Van Inwegen in NJ. If childbirth was a reason to go to NY then I suppose it is possible. Where else could I find a clue like that other than on a mail list. Thanks for your help. BJ Anderson

Okey folks- We have all had an opportunity to express our feelings about lookups-and that will not stop those who need help from asking and those who are willing to help. So let's kiss and make up and get on with our research. I am a totally displaced Orange County-ite and miss the great people from my home area. The black dirt stays with you forever! I am glad to see activity on this site today and hope it keeps up. Looks like everyone sits and reads e-mail a lot and will speak up when they have something to say. So here is my 2 bit offer. I can do look ups from the Bull Family Genealogy and will be glad to do so. However, judging from my personal experience with it the person should go ahead and use this info strictly as a place to start, and not as a final word. My great Aunt was a fine researcher, but when she gave info for the book, a lot of it was family stories and no documentation. Aword to the wise. Peggie in the Eastern OR Blue Mountains and missing the drowned lands of OC

Is anyone familiar with the following book? RECORDS FROM NEWBURGH, NEW WINDSOR, AND OTHER NEARBY TOWNS VOLUME TWO Being A Collection Of Gathered Cemetery Records From The Historical Papers Of Newburgh Bay And The Highlands from 1896 through 1947 plus the Society's publication of Saint Patricks Catholic Cemetery in Newburgh and more. My great-grandfather, Robert FITZGERALD was buried in St. Patrick's cemetery in 1870. Would there be a listing for him? Bill Fitzgerald P.O. Box 404 16 Winter St. Nutting Lake, MA 01865 e-mail: wmfitzgerald@mediaone.net

Thank you Bertha for your information. After I posted my previous request tonight I answered one of my own questions by going to the IGI and just typing in Van Inwegen. There are Van Inwegens all over Orange County which now means that there is less reason to think Anna Van Inwegen might be from Port Jervis. Also in all my playing around with the IGI since it came online I have never gotten a "no matches" when typing in any of hundreds of names. But I sure got a "no matches" with Philip Van Inwegen. I feel I'm walking backwards tonight. BJ Anderson, Alexandria, VA

I don't know if this a proper place to send this, but I have been reading through a book "History of LaSalle Co., IL 1877" by Elmer Baldwin. I noticed that there are many early settlers that came from Orange County, NY and surrounding counties to this area. A couple of excerpts (partial): George H. Norris, from Orange Co., NY to Ottawa, IL 20 May 1835. His wife was Lydia M. Hoxie. (also lists children) John Dean Caton, from Monroe, Orange Co., NY to Chicago in 1833 and to LaSalle Co., IL in 1842. His wife was Laura Adelaide Sherrell, of Utica, NY. Judge Caton was nearly the first lawyer in Chicago. (additional information). If I could assist anyone in locating ancestor's families that may have left Orange County at an early time period, I would be happy to check through this book and other early records for LaSalle County, IL. Bertha in Illinois

Sometimes when I read my own email, my sentence construction makes me laugh. It was not the historian who thought he might be Sam Wells I'm looking for, but that she thought the Sam Wells she had found might be the one. <g> Marie Marie Thingelstad wrote: > It sure is. Plus Daniel re-posted his information. Thank you all so much. I will > find my Samuel Wells, but it's taking some real digging plus many, many years of > research on the part of other descendants. The most recent is a package from the > historian in Riverhead who thought he might be the SAMUEL WELLS, brother of > Nathan, born in 1768, but it cannot be him. There has to be another Sam born a > little bit later. > > Marie > > Marge wrote: > > > I'm not sure if this is what you are asking for. Hope it is. > > Orange County Genealogical Society > > 101 Main Street > > Goshen, NY 10924 > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nozell/ocgs/ > > > > > > > > I wonder if someone would be so kind to once again post the address of the > > Orange > > > County Historical Society and joining information, plus the list of books > > > available. That information was saved on the hard drive of my old computer > > and is > > > now lost. > > > > > > Don't trust your computer's hard drive. > > > > > > Marie Thingelstad > > > > > >

Hello, I'm looking for information about the Comfort family of OC in the 1700s. Supposedly originated on Long Island with Robert Comfort, ca 1700. There are many theories concerning their origin in the Old World, English, Scottish, Scot-Irish, Irish and even Dutch. Does anyone have any new ideas? They were members of the Goodwill and Reformed Churches and were later Presbyterians. My branch eventually emmigrated to Mississippi, especially the towns of Clinton and Kosciusko. Also, is the book "Comfort Families of America" by Botting for sale anywhere to anyone's knowledge. Thanks, James Alabama

OK, folks, I'm over it and I hope everyone else is, too. At least it woke up the Orange County list members! Please, can we drop it and get back to work? And now I'm going to ask about my "missing" great great grandmother (gulping down some pride at the same time). Name: Anna Van Inwegen Born: July 11, 1823, Orange County, NY (from death certificate) Died: April 11, 1900, Patchogue, LI, NY (from death certificate) Married: Calvin Hait, Feb. 1844 (not from Orange County) I cannot find WHERE in Orange County she is from - the death information only lists her birth as "Orange County, NY". I don't know where her marriage took place either. I have a long, flowery obit for her from a newspaper clipping from my great grandmother's scrapbook. But it contains no hardcore information other than her surviving children's names and the marriage date, but not place. She was 76 at the time of death and the obit says she had lived in Patchogue for over 50 years at the time of her death. Meaning I guess that she left Orange County before or around 1850. A narrative "family history'" written by my great grandmother in 1938 says that Anna Van Inwegen was from a Dutch family and the first one came over in the 1700's. She also says there was a Philip Van Inwegen who married a Clarissa Skinner (I can find no record of that). She says Philip and Clarissa had James or Charles, Jeptha Draylin, Mary Elizabeth and David - but she doesn't say if this Philip was the father of Anna Van Inwegen. I'm well aware that great grandma's "family history of 1938" nor the newspaper clipping can be thought of as accurate information, but at least there are some clues. Someone e mailed me that there was - and still is - a large farm in Port Jervis near or on the Neversink River that was always referred to as the "Van Inwegen Farm". So I'm wondering if Port Jervis could be "the place" - or are there Van Inwegens all over Orange County in the 1820's? Sorry... perhaps I've explained too much. My questions are: Does anyone have any information that would enable me to find out where in Orange County she was from and who her parents were? BJ Anderson, Alexandria, VA

Follow up on Genealogical Society. I do have a Website for them, www.ocgs.org. Bill Staples

Message text written by INTERNET:NYORANGE-L@rootsweb.com >< Looks like we may be mixing up the Orange County Historical vs Genealogical Societies. I am looking at the catalog of the Genealogical Society and their address is 101 Main Street Goshen, NY 10924 Am now looking at their membership application. No Web site or E Mail address on it anywhere Only contact shown are Marty Irons 914 294-9462 Jeanne Krish 914 294-5871 Bill Staples

uh , wrong person , that should say ' to BJ apology accepted ' , Phil

Message text written by INTERNET:NYORANGE-L@rootsweb.com >< Enough too Bill Staples

In light of the recent exchanges involving a posting of mine in which I took some perticpants in internet genealogy to task regarding helping vs taking I offer this essay for the consideration of all. It is a long one. I thank Stuart Nixon for providing it. FREE LUNCH IN CYBERSPACE -- WHO PAYS? A Cautionary Note for Genealogists by Stuart Nixon <info@hearthstonebooks.com> The Internet is and has changed the pursuit of genealogy to a considerable extent. Few can question that the ability to access comprehensive databases, make contact other researchers to exchange information, and the ability publish one’s findings at minimal cost, without leaving home? Like all new technology, the Internet can be a mixed blessing. For genealogists, I see some problems developing that could have long-term implications. For example, the Internet is creating what I call a new psychology of entitlement. Access to the Internet may not be free, but once you log on, there is a sense that you have entered a toy store where all the toys are either free or heavily discounted. Genealogists are coming to the Net with the expectation that with sufficient time to browse, they can find virtually anything they want, without the inconvenience, or expense of writing letters, making long-distance phone calls, visiting courthouses, reading microfilms, buying books, etc. In other words, the Internet seemingly delivers one-stop shopping at give-away prices. Everybody knows that if something seems too good to be true, it probably is, but the Internet appears to be an exception. There is, in fact, an enormous amount of information that's free for the taking, or almost so, in cyberspace. So what's the problem? The problem is that even the Internet can't get around common sense. Common sense tells us there is no substitute for careful, methodical, grass-roots research, the kind any genealogist has to do to construct an accurate family history. Information on the Internet may be a pointer to truth, but rarely is it proof. In other words, the Internet is not a source of information; the information originated someplace else. You still need to go behind the Internet to verify the information. You still need to consult the source. Common sense also tells us that technology costs money. Sooner or later, directly or indirectly, somebody will have to pay for all those databases, bulletin boards, mailing lists, chat rooms, etc. out there on the Web. In most situations, that somebody is going to be the user of the information, not the provider. If you think I'm wrong about this, keep in mind that the true cost of a product or service is not always obvious. It is possible to pay for something in a coinage other than money. In the case of genealogical records, somebody has to organize, compile, or abstract those records before they can be put on the Internet. If the records are public -- that is, if they were created by a public agency -- the public, [in most instances] by law, has a right to see them [with some exceptions], but not necessarily on the Internet. NOTE: The Freedom of Information Act applies to Federal records only!] If the agency in question puts the records on the Internet, that is a public service, not the fulfillment of an obligation. In other words, we as researchers are not "entitled" to view public records on the Internet, however convenient [and cheap] that may be. We are not "entitled" to view any kind of records on the Internet. The Internet is simply a new means of communication that lends itself very handily to the needs of genealogists. It does not create entitlements that did not previously exist. An example of this is the question of whether a person has the right to look up information in a book and post that information on the Internet for the benefit of others. On the face of it, this seems reasonable enough. If a person is willing to do lookups for other people, why not? The answer depends on what information we are talking about. Most books, including those published by nonprofit organizations, are copyrighted. The contents of the book are protected against republication. Generally speaking, if you choose to share a small amount of information from a copyrighted book with another person, either verbally or in private correspondence, you are free to do so under the concept of "fair use" of the material. But if you start cutting and pasting, photocopying, or otherwise transmitting entire paragraphs or pages from the book, you are no longer making fair use of the material, you are now republishing it. That's why most copyright notices say something to the effect that "no portion of this book may be reproduced in any form without written permission from the author or publisher." The Internet is effectively a giant copy machine. When you post information on the Web, you are reproducing it. Consequently, copyright law still applies. The Internet does not magically redefine the concept of "fair use" to include detailed lookups, quotes, extracts, etc. If someone gets on the Internet and asks whether certain information appears in a copyrighted book, you are free to respond by confirming that the book contains the information in question (with the page number or full citation, if you wish), but beyond that you can only advise the person to buy the book or consult it in a library and do his or her own research. If that seems an unreasonable restriction, consider the alternatives. If a person creates, collects, edits, or otherwise prepares material for publication, that effort usually constitutes original work protected by copyright. The publisher recovers the cost of the work from sales of the book. Even if the author or compiler does the work as a "labor of love" for a nonprofit organization (such as a genealogical or historical society), the person does so to benefit the organization, which therefore copyrights the book to protect its investment. Obviously, no publishing house or nonprofit group can continue to underwrite publishing projects if the genealogical community feels free to republish those books in whole or in part on the Internet. Researchers, therefore, need to recognize that misuse of the Internet in the name of "fair use" represents a real threat to all of us who look forward to a continuing flow of information into the marketplace. There are a lot of valuable data out there (such as cemetery and church records) that do not fall in the public domain. Another Internet-related problem with consequences for genealogists is the devaluation of personal service. One of the appeals of the Internet is that you don't have to write a letter, attend a class, go to a library, shop at a store, wait on hold on the telephone, or put up with any other inconvenience or special cost to access information or order products relevant to your research. In other words, the Internet enables you to bypass a lot of people to get what you want. But bypassing people runs the risk of creating what I call an environment of diminishing expertise -- that is, an environment where there are fewer and fewer knowledgeable people to consult if you suddenly discover that the Internet doesn't answer all your questions. Yes, I realize there are various genealogical Web sites where you can "talk" to specialists. But chat rooms and e-mail are no substitute for getting help with certain genealogical problems or issues, such as selecting the best resource for a particular task or identifying resources you might not know about if somebody didn't tell you. That's when personal service becomes important. But personal service is going out of fashion, due in part to the influence of the Internet. Look, for example, at the mortality rates for small bookstores these days. Small bookstores are going out of business in record numbers because consumers are increasingly trading off personal service at "Mom and Pop" stores for deep discounts on the Internet or stacks of best-sellers at chain stores. For genealogists, this trend is not great news. I speak from personal experience. One incident will illustrate the point. Last February, a woman posted a message on RootsWeb recommending a book about Britain. She had made what she thought was an important discovery. Actually, the book has been in print for 10 years, but it is not a genealogical book, so you would not be inclined (at least for genealogical reasons) to pick it up if you saw it in a library or a bookstore. Yet people like myself who are professionally involved in genealogy have been recommending and "hand-selling" this book for a long time to people we know who are researching immigrant groups discussed in the book. That's part of our job: to act as a broker of information for our clients or customers. Devaluation of personal service leads to another problem: an increase in consumer disloyalty. At the same time that the Internet is creating an environment of diminishing expertise, it is also encouraging consumers to shop price, not product. That means you can't expect merchants on the Web (or, for that matter, in the superstores) to know exactly "what's in the box" or to help you make the right choice for your needs among a large array of items. Consequently, shoppers are still seeking out small businesses for advice on products, but those shoppers are then buying on the Web (or at a superstore) instead of buying from the dealer who helped them. Obviously, this process can't go on very long before shopkeepers have to stop dispensing free advice or, worse yet, have to shut their doors. So let's be candid about the way the marketplace works: as consumers, we don't vote with our mouths, we vote with our wallets. Therefore, I offer this friendly reminder: Loyalty is not an act of charity; it is an investment in access to expertise. If your local, independent drug store (or hardware store, or bookstore, etc.) is willing to take 10 or 15 minutes assisting you, the store probably cannot afford to give you the same rock-bottom prices advertised by a store where the clerk (if you can find one) does not know the merchandise. In the age of the Internet, we still need to reward people who care about their trade. This lesson comes home to me almost any time I get in a discussion about genealogical software. Genealogical software is being peddled on the Internet largely as a "throw-away" item. That is, vendors are pricing most of the programs so low, you won't feel bad if you end up throwing the product away if you don't like it. But throw-away prices can be deceptive; typing data into a program you purchased mainly because it was a bargain is not necessarily the best use of your time. And we all know that time is money. Likewise, companies that sell products at cheap prices may not be inclined to throw a lot of dollars at after-sale support. Which brings us back to the question of personal service: how important is personal service for genealogists who welcome the availability of "high tech" research tools but who also want to make informed choices among many ever-changing options? Taking the longer view of the Internet, perhaps all of us as family historians need to remember that free lunches can sometimes get very expensive. [Stuart Nixon is proprietor of Hearthstone Bookshop in Alexandria, Virginia <http://www.hearthstonebooks.com/>, a store that specializes in genealogy and related subjects.]

hi Group, I just got home from a hard day at work , I have read my mail , and now wish to have my Say ..... to Pat , apology accepted .... Now I would like to tell you who I am , and what I have , I am 64 years old , I work in Constuction as a Special Inspector which is a very stressful job , I am responsible for the ' Life Safety ' of many many people , I can not make a Mistake !!! ..... Doing my Genealogical Research is my release from the tensions of the job .... I have been doing my ' family history ' for over 10 years , And have most of my lines as far back as 1500s , So I am not a " Newbie " ..... I live in the Puget Sound region of Washington state and am blessed with having 7 FHC`s with in a 60 mile radius of my home , Plus 3-4 Libraries full of ' books ' dealing with ' stuff ' , And the Seattle branch of NARA , So I can usally find what I need to know at one of these places ...... I also moniter 25 mailing list on a daily basis spending 3-4 hours most every day reading and writing E-mail , AND I DO LOOK UP`s , But it is my choice who I help and when I do it , MOST of the time it is done OFF LIST , If I really think I can help somebody with a problem I am happy to do so I have spent uncounted hours / dollars looking for a record and mailing out copies to people , only asking for my postage cost , And I still find time to do my own work , But do ask a question once in awhile on a list , If I know someone will have the info I need , I did stumble around the first couple of years , Untill I realized just about any thing I needed to know about Genealogy Research was available in a ' book ' at a Library ..... Which It appears from many of the posts on the mailing lists a lot of people have not learned yet , ...... Nuff said , Phil

It sure is. Plus Daniel re-posted his information. Thank you all so much. I will find my Samuel Wells, but it's taking some real digging plus many, many years of research on the part of other descendants. The most recent is a package from the historian in Riverhead who thought he might be the SAMUEL WELLS, brother of Nathan, born in 1768, but it cannot be him. There has to be another Sam born a little bit later. Marie Marge wrote: > I'm not sure if this is what you are asking for. Hope it is. > Orange County Genealogical Society > 101 Main Street > Goshen, NY 10924 > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nozell/ocgs/ > > > > > I wonder if someone would be so kind to once again post the address of the > Orange > > County Historical Society and joining information, plus the list of books > > available. That information was saved on the hard drive of my old computer > and is > > now lost. > > > > Don't trust your computer's hard drive. > > > > Marie Thingelstad > > > >

If you go to this site, you can get a list of books they have if you click under " Books & Materials for sale" If you click under " Library Holdings " it will give you a list of what they have avaliable in their library. Joanne > I'm not sure if this is what you are asking for. Hope it is. > Orange County Genealogical Society > 101 Main Street > Goshen, NY 10924 > http://www.rootsweb.com/~nozell/ocgs/ > > > > > > I wonder if someone would be so kind to once again post the address of the > Orange > > County Historical Society and joining information, plus the list of books > > available. That information was saved on the hard drive of my old computer > and is > > now lost. > > > > Don't trust your computer's hard drive. > > > > Marie Thingelstad > > > > > >

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Hi all, My children have a saying "Take a pill" whenever either of their parents get bent out of shape. I think we all need to realize that there are two sides to this question and neither has a stranglehold on RIGHT. It should be possible to ask for help - and if we don't want to assist we hit delete. It should also be possible to let newcomers know what is involved in a process without being slaughtered. Perhaps we should all remember that we can reply directly to someone without cluttering up the list with petty squabbles. Bravo to BJ for publicly acknowledging his gaff. We are ALL here because we ultimately hope to gain from our association. In the past two years on the internet I have doubled my previous 17 years of information because I have freely shared as well as taken. It still cuts both ways. Thanks to all who have helped ! Lil -----Original Message----- From: NYORANGE-D-request@rootsweb.com <NYORANGE-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: NYORANGE-D@rootsweb.com <NYORANGE-D@rootsweb.com> Date: Thursday, November 04, 1999 4:10 AM Subject: NYORANGE-D Digest V99 #127

ATTENTION CHARLES: I am one of those so-called neo-researchers, and am certainly glad I've never asked YOU for any help!! Thank goodness there are many, many other researchers out there that are so willing to assist those of us needing help. Hope you never live in a tiny city, in the south, trying to do research in CT, NY and Maine, plus dealing with health disabilities. I for one take your post as an insult!! Once again, to ALL the many kind and generous researchers out there, who give so freely of your time to assist those of us needing help, THANK YOU MANY TIMES OVER!!! I have met many kind and pleasant people since beginning my research last spring, and could never have gotten to where I am, without their assistance. Barbara Jones Pulley Southeastern NC