This is taken from a letter in my possession dated 18 June, 1949: "Stephen Stratton STARR might be a descendant of Eliphalet STRATTON, a Revolutionary Soldier who came to Sullivan Co., right after the War. I think and most of the Strattons of SULLIVAN and Orange Co, are descendants of him. His grave is in Sullivan Co., and has a D.A.R. marker." Stephen S. STARR and his wife Eliza ACKERMAN were married 10 Sept. 1849. Eliza was born 7 May 1833 and was the oldest daughter of Mary Ann BROOKS and Peter ACKERMAN. If you have in information on any of these individuals, I would certainly appreciate it. Diane Ward Sives

Another addition to Dan Burrow's guide The Rushmore Memorial Library on the East side of Route 32 in Highland Mills (just South (practically next to) the Post Office) This little library is the headquarters of the Woodbury Historical Society with an active and enthusiastic membership Leslie Rose is the Woodbury Town Historian and also the person to contact to access the collections. They are usually open on Thursday evenings from say 7 to 9. (call ahead) I believe there is a phone number on the list of Town Historians put out by the County Historian. They have several cabinets filled with files of family research done by that remarkable researcher, Emma Jones McWhorter, plus additional data on those families and other local families added by researchers from around the country. They have a substantial collection on local history and the people of Woodbury Town from pre-revolutionary time to the present day. If you are researching the Town of Woodbury (or that part of the Town of Monroe that was carved out to become Woodbury) this library is not to be missed! Harold Campbell (OCGS)

I would add to Dan's excellent list of local library resources Cornwall Public Library Main Branch They have microfilms of the Cornwall Local (published under variations of that name) in the main library from the earliest editions about 1880, if I recall correctly, to date. They have a good microfilm reader/printer on the main floor also. In addition Janet Dempsey and Colleen Fulton ( the Cornwall Town and Village Historians, respectively) have indexed every issue from the earliest date. I understand they have indexed from day 1 to 1948 so far.! These 3x5 index cards are in the basement and can be accessed by speaking to the reference librarian who will direct you to them The Cornwall Local coverage went beyond the town borders and included items from Highland Mills, Central Valley and New Windsor for example, especially in the years before WW II Of course, these microfilms are also available at the Newburgh Free Library That library has a large collection of microfilms of Orange Co newspapers though not indexed (their microfilm reader/printers are poor). The index at Cornwall, however, is a real gold-mine for eastern Orange Co researchers Harold Campbell (OCGS)

Looking for any info on the Wheaton family. John Wheaton was b. 1809 NY, m. Mary A.____ b. 1813 NY. I know of two daughters; Mahala Jane b. 14 Mar 1833 and Mercy A. b. 1837. Both b. NY. hey were in Orange Co. til abt. the 1850's. Any help appreciated. Sharon Garrett Genealogists never die they just lose their census.

In the 1870 Federal Census my Rider family appears in Town of Monroe, Post Office Turners. I don't see a Turners on my modern maps. Would anyone know what area that is currently? I have just begun to research in Orange County. My interests: King Rider (1767-1851) m. Rosannah ??? Henry Rider (1792-1875) m. Philadelphia Cock (1796-1863) Egbert Rider((1829-1877) m. Mary Humphrey They were Friends so I am currently going through the Cornwall Monthly Meeting films hoping to find some insight to go with the raw dates. My biggest roadblock right now is finding any more information on Mary Humphrey. I'd love to connect to anyone descended from this family. Regards, Bob Bob Starkins mailto:rstarkins@earthlink.net

Hello list, I am looking for anything on my ggrandparents. Below is what I have: Descendants of John Adam Grisemer Griesemer Grismer Griessemer 1 John Adam Grisemer Griesemer Grismer Griessemer b: May 15, 1856 in Bobental, Rhein Pfalz d: January 29, 1925 at 158 West Parmenter Street, Newburgh, New York . +Ida Blumberg b: January 12, 1864 in Buch Walden, Prussia m: Abt. 1881 in Unknown d: December 22, 1945 at 158 West Parmenter St Newburgh, New York .... 2 Caroline Henrietta Grismer b: June 21, 1882 in Newburgh, New York d: Bef. 1944 ........ +Joseph Finch .... 2 Wilmenia Grismer b: March 16, 1884 in New Windsor, New York ........ +? Dearnley .... 2 Ida Grismer b: April 16, 1886 d: 1974 ........ +William Graham b: 1883 d: 1966 .... 2 Anthony Grismer b: March 13, 1890 at Robinson Ave near Plank Road Newburgh, New York .... 2 John Adam Grismer b: September 28, 1892 at Robinson Ave near Plank Road Newburgh, New York d: July 23, 1893 In infancy .... 2 John Adam Grismer b: July 29, 1895 at Robinson Ave near Plank Road Newburgh, New York d: February 14, 1957 at Cornwall Hospital, Cornwall New York, Orange County .... 2 Jennie Grismer b: August 12, 1898 in Newburgh, New York d: July 06, 1972 in Newburgh, New York ........ +Russell Hayes Quackenbush b: September 05, 1896 in Florida, New York m: August 02, 1931 in Newburgh, New York d: November 24, 1974 in Voorhees, New Jersey .... 2 Frank Grismer b: March 06, 1900 d: April 28, 1919 in Newburgh, New York .... 2 Margaret Grismer b: July 01, 1905 d: January 16, 1912 in Newburgh, New York .... 2 William Robert Grismer b: November 16, 1906 d: August 30, 1907 at 158 West Parementer St Newburgh, New York .... 2 Ralph Adam Grismer b: July 04, 1908 d: December 15, 1993 ........ +Margaret My ggrandfather owned and operated a saloon on Liberty Street in Newburgh, the building is still standing. He also did his own bottling at his home in a shed in the back yard. The home is still standing also and is occupied. Ida Blumberg Grismer was a housewife as far as we can tell. We haven't figured out how she supported herself after he husbands death. Any information on this family would be GREATLY appreciated. You can see picture of both Ida and John at the Quackenbush Family web page. URL below. Go to Grismer family pictures. Thanks for any help. Cindy The Anneke Jans and Everardus Bogardus Web Page http://genweb.net/~cindy/Anneke/page0.htm The Quackenbosch/Quackenbush Family Page http://members.xoom.com/quackenbosch

Dear Folks, I would like to modify my original offer to send information from the deeds that I have abstracted on those families to sending you copies of the abstracts by mail. I have spent the day going thru them and believe that it will be easier for me to mail them to you and it will be more beneficial for you to see the lot of them. (and that includes the JACKSON information, although I did not transcribe any Jackson deeds, they are mentioned as witnesses or neighbors in many of the deeds that I have. The time span is for approximately 100 years starting early 1700s. Phoebe So please send me your address and I'll get you some copies, Phoebe P.S. Just for fun, be sure to let me know how you fit in these families. Searching: Moses Carpenter, Ruth Coe, Mary Thompson, Marah McDowell NY: LI: Coe, Carpenter Or Co. Carpenter, Coe, Jayne, McDowell, Thompson, Wisner, Woodhull Onondaga Co. Carpenter, Wisner Ontario Co. Melvin, Leland Chautaqua Co. Melvin, Wisner, NJ: Mo Co. Coe, Runyon, Halstead connections?

FAMILY TIES by Dan Burrows I would like to spend a little time this article talking about other places to do genealogical research in Orange County. I have spoken frequently about the research room of the Orange County Genealogical Society at 101 Main Street in Goshen. There are several other places nearby that also have great resources. One of my favorite nearby places to visit is the Newburgh Free Library on Grand Street in Newburgh. They have an excellent "Local History Room" and it is certainly not limited to Newburgh. It has resources that reach far beyond Orange County. I recall the time I spent a week in Maine researching my wife's Thompson ancestors and came home empty handed. Two weeks later I found a book on the Thompson Family of Maine sitting on the shelves of the Newburgh Library. My wife's great grandmother had actually furnished quite a bit of family information to the author and I had the line traced from the early 1600's in Maine to 1907 in Massachusetts and only had to go to Newburgh to do it. Unfortunately, the Newburgh Library does not allow photocopying of their rare collection so I had to do a lot of note taking that day. I have since found the same book in other libraries and copied all the pages I needed. If you plan to visit the Newburgh Library Local History room, plan to go on a Monday through Thursday morning when part time librarian Rita Forrester is on duty to show you around the local history room. The room is accessible other times but your help will be limited. The Minisink Valley Historical Society located on the second floor of the Port Jervis Library has an excellent local history and genealogical collection. Peter Osborn is the knowledgeable director and volunteer Miral Haubner knows the collection inside and out. The main focus in the research room is the Tri- State area but much useful information is available on a countywide basis. I was able to trace my wife's Jennings ancestors from Sussex and Bergen Counties, New Jersey by only traveling 10 miles. The research room is open on Thursday afternoons and again Thursday evenings. You may call 856- 2375 for more information on hours. The Port Jervis Library has a small local research room itself, but the card index to the "Gazette" genealogical information is a gold mine of Orange County data making the trip worthwhile. The Goshen Library houses the Elizabeth Sharts room which has a nice collection of local interest. The hours are limited and you might want to call a verify hours. In the main part of the library there is a microfilm collection of early Goshen newspapers which is always available. Thrall Library in Middletown has developed a collection of local materials, but hours of availability are also limited. Appointments are available to use the local history room by calling the library. Available in the main part of the library is an excellent microfilm collection of old Orange County newspapers. These may be used at any time. The Middletown and Wallkill Precinct Historical Society on East Avenue in Middletown has a small research room in the upstairs of the Van Duzer House. Many local family bibles and other helpful items make this a nice place to research on a Wednesday afternoon when they are open from 1 - 4 PM. The Town of Minisink is developing a research facility near their Town Hall and one can contact Town Historian Edna Raymond for more information. Most town libraries in Orange County have something of genealogical value but those listed above have the best collections. It never hurts to give a local library a call and ask if they have any materials that can help your research. The Orange County Surrogate's Court in Goshen houses all the wills and other probate papers since the system began in 1787. Prior to that, local wills were either filed in New York City, Albany, and sometimes Kingston. The Orange County Clerk's Office in Goshen houses the early deeds and mortgages from 1703 through present. The following list gives many examples of what records can be found there. Some records, however, have been transferred to other storage facilities and must be requested for research. Assignment of Mortgages Assumed Business Certificates (1899 - Date) Assignment for Benefit of Creditors (1932 - Date) Building and Loan Agreements Bonds Certificates of Incorporation (1837 - Date) Census Records (1820 - 1925) Convictions (1816 - Date) Justice & City Courts County Court Convictions (Court of Record) 1797 - Date) Court Actions (Supreme & County) (1703 - Date) Chattel Mortgages (Prior to 1964 filed with Town or City - After 1964 Filed with Uniform Commercial Code) Coroners Decisions (Sealed) (1810 - Date) Consolidated Lien Docket (1952 - Date) Court and Trust Fund Book (1910 - Date) Deeds (1703 - Date) Note: Grantee and Grantor Indexes also available on Microfilm at OCGS. Divorce Records (Sealed except Decree of Divorce) Executions (Income & Property) (1793 - Date) Federal Tax Liens (1926 - Date) Good for 6 years from Assessment Date Farm Names (1912 - Date) Homestead Exemptions (1830 - Date) Incompetent Proceedings Indictments (An Accusation by Grand Jury) (1755 - Date) Judgments (1848 - Date) Good for 10 years on personal property and 20 years on real property (money) Lis Pendens (1823 - Date) Limited Partnerships (1869 - Date) Marriage Records (1908 - 1935) Earlier than 1908 with State Librarian. After 1935 filed with Town or City Clerks when license was first obtained. Mortgages (1703 - Date) Note: Mortgagee and Mortgagor Indexes also on Microfilm at OCGS Maps (Any number, cemetery, subdivisions, Atlas 1875 & 1909, patent maps, 1967 tax maps) Mechanic's Liens Notaries Public (1958 - Date) Naturalization Records (1827 - Date) No Bills (1913 - Date) Oaths (Town & County Officials & Employees of County) Pistol Permits Public Welfare Liens (1964 - Date) (Injury Cases) Religious Corporations (1784 - Date) Separation Agreements (Sealed) (1966 - Date) Sheriff's Certificate of Sale (1820 - Date) Transfer Tax (1890 - Date) U.S. Service Discharges (1921 - Date) Wage Assignments (1924 - Date) There were several county and state border changes prior to 1798 in the Orange County area and the following libraries are therefore important places for local research. These are facilities with excellent genealogical collections: The Elting Library in New Paltz, NY, the Library of the Huguenot Society in New Paltz, NY, the Ulster County Genealogical Society in Hurley, NY, the Adriance Library in Poughkeepsie, the New City Library (Rockland County) in New City, NY, the Sussex County Historical Society in Newton, NJ, and the Sussex County Library in Branchville, NJ. Finally and at the risk of being repetitive, the research room of the Orange County Genealogical Society is by far your best source of Orange County information. ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.

Conrad and Julianna May Wyble originally came from Ringwood/Long Pond New Jersey and settled in Orange County around 1786. RingWood/Long Pond sits on the border of NY and NJ. They with their children appear in the 1790 and 1800 census the later in the township of Cheesecock. Conrad nor Julianna after that date are not found but their son Charles appears in the 1810 census in Rockland County. Rockland County was a part of Orange County till 1798. I have been searching for information by tracking thier travels on Conrad and Charles for the past 9 years but have not found Conrad after 1800. Any help someone can provide will be appreciated. Thank you for your time: Dave Wyble Sr.

Hi folks... If anyone here is related to the above, I would love to hear from you. I am descended from John DEMAREST and Abigail THORPE who lived in the Goshen area mid-late 1700's. Their dau. Eunice b1790 is my gggrandmother. I have the entire line, if anyone is interested... Jackie bunny-jo@webtv.net

Hello James and Margaret THOMPSON came from Orange to Hector Town in Tompkins (now Schuyler) County in 1817. Lived, died, and were buried near Mecklenberg. Brought John, Nancy, Thomas W., Daniel with them; had Job (GGrandfather) and James in Hector. Anybody have any help with James and Margaret THOMPSON? James had grandsons named Headley, Willis, Bird, and Burr (and the usual); might they be a hint to the line? Thanks and happy hunting. Keith Milo Thompson

Folks, A few years ago I abstracted all the Orange Co. deeds that related to the Carpenters, Thompsons, Jaynes and Wisners that I could find on the LDS microfilms early Orange Co. transactions. I am planning on reviewing my records to try to see if I have a Carman Carpenter. If any of you have one of the above surenames and would like me to see what and if I have re. that name, I would be happy to look for them also. Phoebe in CA

Glenys, I did extensive land searches with the LDS Orange Co. microfilm. First you get the indexes (prob. Grantee for your purposes) then follow your name. The indexes that I remember looking at in the later times seemed to bunch together names (in one family) as if a family of siblings who sold or inherited one property as a group. I think this might lead you back. I seem to remember that there was a Michael Jackson very early and very prominent in much of the early business of the county. I don't hae time now to look up more, but if you buzz me in a couple weeks I might be able to do it. Also, if I find more info sooner I will send via Or Co. list. Phoebe

Hi List: The Jackson family of Orange County, NY had a farm they named "Oak Hill". I am not sure where it was located and I don't know the given name of the Jackson who first owned it, but it was ca 1820 and probably near Craigville. Can someone direct me as to the best way of finding information on this farm, particularly which Jackson first owned it? Thanks for any help on this. Glenys -- >>Glenys Rasmussen<< http://www.sonic.net/~glenys/ >>"My home lies wide a thousand miles, In the Never-Never Land." (Henry Lawson)<<

Good idea Mary to Re: Post who we are looking for with all the new people on the list. I only have one. My grandfather Charles Whalen. We are from the Bronx & Manhattan. Somehow after his first wife died in 1940 he moved up to Newburgh. Married Thelma Lair in the Newburgh Elks Club. By 1947 he died. I don't know where he is buried or the year he died. thanks, June :-)

Hello List: Is there anyone out there who would be willing to do a check in the 1855 state census of New York for me? I am trying to locate Thomas Frazer/Fraser and his wife Amelia. Counties may have been Orange or New York. Thank you. Glenys -- >>Glenys Rasmussen<< http://www.sonic.net/~glenys/ >>"My home lies wide a thousand miles, In the Never-Never Land." (Henry Lawson)<<

Dear list members, Since there now seems to be so much activity on the list, I think that this is probably a good time to repost the known information re my Orange County ancestors. I desperately need help with my CAIN family who I have traced back to Orange County, NY. These are the bits and pieces of information that I have accumulated: DANIEL CANE of Warwick Liber A page 407 Will dated 2 Jan 1797 Probated 23 Feb 1797 Wife: Percilla Cane Sons: Joseph, James, William, John Daughters: Margaret, Nancy Administrators: Percilla Cane Witnesses: Jesse Shepard, David Nanny, William Reynard PRISCILLA CAIN of Town of Warwick Liber H page 143 Will dated 29 Mar 1826 Probated 4 May 1826 Daughter: Margaret Owen wife of Archibald Owen Their children: Daniel C. Owen Priscilla Owen Joseph Cain and William G. Cain - no relationship stated Son: William G. Cain - deceased His children: Priscilla Cain Mary Cain Margaret Cain Son James Cain His children: Daniel Cain Joseph Cain Isaac Cain Temperance Cain Priscilla Jane Cain William Feagles (his wife Margaret Ann Feagles) No relationship stated Son: John Cain - deceased His Children: Daniel G. Cain Priscilla Cain Nehemiah Cain Eliza wife of David W. Ferrier Executors: Thomas Ferrier and Henry W. Houston Witnesses: Sally Ferrier, Elizabeth Farrier, Michael Farrier Daniel and Priscilla are buried in the Presbyterian Churchyard in the village of Amity, Warwick Twp. Revolutionary War Service of Daniel Cain: Private, Orange County, NY Militia, 4th Reg't - Col. John Hathorn This Daniel and Priscilla are NOT those of Hingham MA. The latter are a generation too late. John and James Cain migrated to Perry County, OH. JOHN CAIN of Madison Twp, Perry Co., OH Will dated 4 Jan 1824 Wife: Pheby Children: Daniel G. Cain - oldest son Nehemiah C. Cain - 2nd son Charles S. Cain John B. Cain Eliza Farier (sic) Eleanor Cain Nancy Cain Priscilla Cain Phebe Cain Joana Cain Melinda Cain Executors: wife Pheby and neighbor James Ritchey Witnesses: Thomas King and George Crassen Priscilla Cain (d/o John) was b. 4 Mar 1812 - Orange Co., NY m. John Reynolds 16 Sep 1830 Perry Co., OH They are buried in Monticello, White Co., IN. She d. 1861 and he in 1864. They are my great-grandparents. Charles Smith Cain (s/o John) was b. 11 Dec 1814-Orange Co. m. Dorcas Davis 1 Jan 1839 Perry Co., OH The following are buried in Walters Cemetery, Wilson Twp, DeWitt Co., IL: Phebe Cain wife of John d. 11 Nov 18 60 ae 77-10-4 Nehemiah C. Cain d. 20 May 1863 ae 53-7-5 Rachel Cain w/o Nehemiah C. d. 20 Sep 1866 Eliza Cain w/o John B. Charles S. Cain d. 9 Apr 1890 Dorcas Cain w/o Charles S. d. 29 Dec 1866 Some children of the above couples are also buried there. Will of James Cain s/o Daniel and Priscilla was dated 6 Dec 1839 in Hopewell Twp, Perry Co., OH. Named are children: Priscilla, James, Joseph, William and Jasper. Daughter Priscilla was named guardian of minors William and Jasper. Could Pheby's maiden name possibly have been Carpenter? Surely, I am not the only descendant interested in and working on this family. Any help will be very greatly appreciated. Mary Alice (Reynolds) Thomas marthomas@worldnet.att.net

I'm new to the list and am a descendant of Abner Skinner and Keziah Gustin of Deerpark, Orange County NY. Both were born in Connecticut and settled in Orange County before the birth of their children (I believe there were about 8). They had twin sons: Jacob and Dr. Israel Skinner, born circa 1776. I am descended from Jacob. He married Rhoda McDowell (b. 1880, Orange Co.). They moved to Susquehanna County, PA along with Israel and his family in 1804. I am at a brick wall on Rhoda. This Skinner family is well documented stretching back to the immigration of Thomas Skinner from Chichester, England around 1650. I'm interested in corresponding with other Skinner researchers and other McDowell researchers (especially). I recall seeing a McDowell as a road commisioner or something in an Orange County History. His territory encompassed Abner Skinner's land according to the source. I suppose that could be a connection. Tim McKeon Endicott, NY

have been searching for any published books and or peridodicals that would list the subsequent owners of the Patent. I have an ancestor who purchased a farm that sat on the old and New Jersey Line commonly callled the Gore on October 20, 1786. He purchased the farm from a Joshua Martin. Conrad Wyble appears in the 1790 Census in Orange County and in the 1800 Census of Orange County (Cheesecock) Can anyone direct me on finding out more info and exactly where the land was situated? Any help will be appreicated... Dave Wyble

Tim McKeon Endicot, NY Dear Tim, I have recently been told that my MARY THOMPSON who married JOHN WISNER, Jr of Orange Co. was the daughter of JAMES THOMPSON and MARAH MCDOWELL. This information has not been proven by public records, but was part of the oral family history. I received some information which I cannot get my hands on right now that refers to a McDowell family that came from Ireland (I think). I cannot right now dig very much to try to follow this as I am trying to work on another Orange co. family, CARPENTER. In a message dated 11/15/1999 8:02:26 PM Pacific Standard Time, mcqn@prodigy.net writes: << of Deerpark, Orange County NY. Both were born in Connecticut and settled in Orange County before the birth of their children (I believe there were about 8). They had twin sons: Jacob and Dr. Israel Skinner, born circa 1776. I am descended from Jacob. He married Rhoda McDowell (b. 1880, Orange Co.). They moved to Susquehanna County, PA along with Israel and his family in 1804. I am at a brick wall on Rhoda. >> Phoebe Searching: Moses Carpenter, Ruth Coe, Mary Thompson, Marah McDowell NY: LI: Coe, Carpenter Or Co. Carpenter, Coe, Jayne, McDowell, Thompson, Wisner, Woodhull Onondaga Co. Carpenter, Wisner Ontario Co. Melvin, Leland Chautaqua Co. Melvin, Wisner, NJ: Mo Co. Coe, Runyon, Halstead connections?