HARRISON W. NANNY (Transcribers note: Letterhead) Goshen, N.Y. Feb 19th 1895 Dear Captain, Col. Wm. Alison did not mary a Wisner but Mary Jackson. I find. John, Henry and Richard ALLISON - These may be the nephews mentioned by HENRY WISNER I don't find his wife's name. His will recorded in N.Y. in 1764. This John had a brother Joseph who was father of Col. Wm. He had a brother Richard also who had a son John who had children. JOHN WISNER ALLISON (no issue) A daughter m __________ Smith (transcriber note: this underline the author's) who had a child WISNER ALLISON SMITH. This looks as though her is where the WISNER and ALISON linked. I have a ver elaborate book on the Alison family 286 p.p., but except as above, no mention of WISNER. I am on track of one SAMUEL WISNER - deceased - ______ in Wisconsin - who I think is from ADAM - he married a WILLIAMSON (Phoebe) (or WILKERSON) Have you traced this out, or heard from a WISNER - WILLIAMSON (or WILKERSON) connection in Wisconsin? Yours, Harrison W. Nanny

Dear Wisners. This is a letter from a descendant, Charles Thompson Eastman, of the Johannes Wisner line: that is Johannes > Hendrick > John > John > Sarah m. Eastman > Charles L. Eastman. This may help to discover some relationships. Phoebe (WL3) June 14th 1895 Dear Captain, I went June 4th to East Corning Steuben Co, NY to visit Uncle Robert L. Wisner, son of Capt John by his second marriage to Sarah Hall, I found him well and smart for a man of his age born March 2, 1811. He had 3 brothers and 3 sisters. I will give their names: Asa, John M., Eliza, Clarisa, Henry, Emily, Robert S. (something I cannot read in margin "m dle") To Capt John Wisner by his first marriage to Mary Thompson had 8 children 2 boys and 6 girls as follows Temperance m 1st Cornelius Vanderhoof, 2 Calvin Shepherd Mary m Jacob Vanderhoof Moses m 1st Eliza Carpenter second Mrs. Moore Anna m Gabril Post Hannah m James Vanderhooten Eleanor m David Post Sarah (my mother) m to Peter Eastman (my mother refers to author not transcriber) Children of Peter Eastman and Sarah Wisner and grand children of Captain John Wisner are as follows. John W. Eastman, Daniel W., Mary Ann, James Tl, Peter O, Moses W, William W, Henry M, Charles T, the writer. I will now give you the name of Jeffrey A. Wisner of Warwick, Orange County, who was the father of Judge John Wisner and William Henry of Elmira, N.Y. now deceased, also a son living at Warwick, Orange Co by the name of Richard Wisner, a half brother of John and William Henry. I think Jeffry A. was a first or second cousin of my mother. History says that Polydore B. Wisner of Genova, deceased, was the son of Henry of Revolutionary family, he had 2 sons who died in Penn Yan. Henry A. lawyer and Dr Barnet V. Wisner some of the Grand children live here now. Your are right William Wisner of Michigan is Grand Son of Uncle James Wisner.

Came across this information in an old (1987) South of the Mountains, the quarterly of the Historical Society of Rockland County (the author was not given), and thought it might be of general interest: "Determining where an ancestor lived and what land he may have inherited, owned and sold during his lifetime, or devised after his death, is a very essential part of genealogical reserach. In fact, no genealogy could be complete without a search of the land transactions on record in the Clerk's Office of the county in which a family is known to have resided. Aside from the information about land ownership, deeds often contain genealogical facts not available elsewhere. In order to convey title to land owned by a decedent who died intestate, a deed would be required from all the heirs as well as from a surviving widow....(it) would provide and confirm the names and marital status of children and heirs... There was a period during the 18th century and earlier when a mortgage as a recorded proof of indebtedness was not commonly used. Instead, the borrower executed a personal, unrecorded bond as security for the amount of the debt....these bonds were usually payable at certain intervals, generally the same terms provided by a mortgage. Those were the days when mutual trust was more prevalent, and 'a man's word was his bond.' Later, bonds were replaced by recorded mortgages, which gave notice to the public that such an indebtedness existed and was a lien on the land. One important fact about a recorded mortgage is that the description of the land set forth therein could be the only knowledge of ownership because down to the first part of the 19th century, many settlers never took the trouble to record their deeds. The reason for this is vague. They may not have wanted to release possession of the deed even for the time it took to take it to the county seat, pay the fee and leave it until it was properly copied into the records." So - after getting your hopes up about how wonderful a resource land records are - we are told that many settlers never troubled to record their deeds! But if they happened to have a mortgage, rather than just a bond, it *was* recorded. I have checked many records of deeds, but had not thought to check for a mortgage. Hoping this will help someone - Regina Haring, Nanuet, NY

Toni, This is a good place to search. http://www.ancestry.com/ I live in Middletown, New York. I will look at the census the next time I am in the library. And I will keep my eye open as I search the area newspapers. yours in genealogy, Joanne

I am trying to find information on Patrick Smith b. 1860 Ireland. He is the son of Terrence and Julia Smith, they immigrated to Camden, NY in 1861. Their other ten children were all born in Camden. Patrick appears an obit for his mother in 1920, it shows him living in Middletown, NY. He appears again in 1942 in an obit for hid brother and he is still in Middletown. Does anyone one do lookups for directories, census, death index or anything to help me find Patrick. Thank you, Toni Smith-Cannon Minden, Nevada -------------------------------- End of NYORANGE-D Digest V00 Issue #13 ************************************** From NYORANGE-D-request@rootsweb.com Thu Jan 13 12:25:10 2000 Return-Path: <NYORANGE-D-request@rootsweb.com> Received: from bl-14.rootsweb.com (bl-14.rootsweb.com [204.212.38.30]) by c-23.rootsweb.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA20068 for <indexer@c-23.rootsweb.com>; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 12:25:10 -0800 From: NYORANGE-D-request@rootsweb.com Received: (from slist@localhost) by bl-14.rootsweb.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA25352; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 09:51:18 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 09:51:18 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200001131751.JAA25352@bl-14.rootsweb.com> Subject: NYORANGE-D Digest V00 #13 X-Loop: NYORANGE-D@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <NYORANGE-D@rootsweb.com> archive/volume00/13 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: NYORANGE-D@rootsweb.com Reply-To: NYORANGE-L@rootsweb.com ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain NYORANGE-D Digest Volume 00 : Issue 13 Today's Topics: #1 Re: Orange Co letters of admininis [WELLGEN@aol.com] #2 Pine Hill Cemetery [Robin Carpenter <ANALYTIX@valley.n] #3 Drowned Lands ["Barbara" <bdimunno@pioneeris.net>] #4 Pochuck Mountain? ["storbeck" <storbeck@gateway.net>] #5 Samuel Galie (Gale) will;Gales m C [MzCortez@aol.com] #6 Daniel Gale Will 1757 [MzCortez@aol.com] #7 RE: Patrick Smith [Ken & Toni Cannon <k-t.cannon@worl] Administrivia: To unsubscribe from NYORANGE-D, send a message to NYORANGE-D-request@rootsweb.com that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too.

Rosemary, I found the following information in Middletown a Biography by Franklin B. Williams, page 188. "In the hectic days following the Civil War, banks sprang up wholesale. In April 1866, were given the finishing touches to the act chartering the Middletown Savings Bank. There the matter was allowed to stand, until 1869, when a group of citizens threatened to, and actually took preliminary steps to establish a similar institution. The old firm became active. An amendment to the original act was passed May 1, 1869, extending the time of the charter, and the bank was incorporated by the following: Elisha P. WHEELER, Jonathan M. MATTHEWS, Josua DRAPER, Osmer B. WHEELER, David C. WINFIELD, William EVANS, Benjamin W. SHAW, Hiram BRINK, Hiland H. HUNT, John W. BAIRD, William M. BRAHAM, James B. HULSE, john G. WILKIN, Horation R. WILCOX, Charles H. HORTON, Gilbert O. HULSE, Harvey EVERETT, Daniel C. DUSENBERRY, Henry B, DILL, Henry B. OGDEN N, Linus B. BABCOCK, Stephen S. CONKLING, George L. DENTON, William H. McQUOID, Levi STARR, John H. BELL, Coe ROBERTSON, Selah R. CORWIN, Dorastus B. IRWIN, Robert H. HOUSTON, Rufus D. CASE, Leander CRAWFORD, Ira M. CORWIN, James J. MILLS, William W. REEVE, Lewis ARMSTRONG, Albert R. RUSSELL, M. Lewis CLARK, Charles HORTON, Archibald L. VAIL, Uzal T. HAYES, and E. M. MADDEN. The bank opened for business September 5, 1869, in the Denton Store building at the Square. Stoddard S. DRAPER, son of Joshua DRAPER, was first depositor. DRAPER was the first president. In six months deposits reached $100,000." Hope this helped you Rosemary, and maybe some others will find familiar names. Sharon HORTON, BULL, KNAPP, EDSALL, KISHPAUGH, PERRY

Can anyone give me the location of Pochuck Mountain? Is it in NY or NJ? My ggg grandfather owened several acres of land at the "foot of Pochuck Mountain" during the mid 1800's. What present day town is the mountain near? Thanks, Lorie

Does anyone here know whether the Pine Hill Cemetery still exists?...and whether there are records of interments there? Where specifically is or was this cemetery? Also, does the Ridgebury Meeting House still exist? If so (or even if not), where specifically is/was it in terms of today's landmarks? Robin

The Goshen Public Library and Historical Society has an indexed pamphlet or brochure titled "The Cheechunk and The Drowned Lands" by Borland-Wilcox . This work was prepared in 1925 by Mrs. Frances E. Borland-Wilcox and presented in May to the Historical Society of Middletown and Wallkill. This work was also published May 2, 1925 in the Middletown Times Press. The Middletown Times Press introduced her work as: "Valuable historical information to many residents of the section of Orange county known as the "Drowned Lands" lying south of Denton, is contained in a paper on the history of the Cheechunk, the outlet ditch or canal which changed the course of the Wallkill river, written and read by Mrs. Frances E. Borland-Wilcox Friday night at the May meeting of the Historical Society of Middletown and Wallkill Precinct, Inc., in the Chamber of Commerce rooms. Mrs. Wilcox is a daughter of the late Charles Sweezy Borland, who as a young man was prominent in the town of Wawayanda. He and his family moved to the Cheechunk neighborhood in the town of Goshen, in 1880, and Mrs. Wilcox who has lived near this spot, has always been much interested in the history of the locality." Regards, Barbara

Abstracts of Wills Vol V 1754-1760, page 192 & 193: Page 364.--In the name of God, Amen. I, DANIEL GALE, of Goshen, in Orange County. "I leave to my wife Dinah that house and two lots of land in Goshen between the Court House and the Meeting House, with all improvements," And also all my movable estate, after payment of debts. My farm where I now live is to be rented at discretion of executors, and 1/3 of the rest to be paid to my wife till my son Daniel is of age. My sons Daniel and Moses are to be put to trades. I leave to my said sons Daniel and Moses all the farm where I now live when they are of age, but if they die under age, then to my brothers, John, Benjamin, Samuel, and Coe Gale, and to my nephew and niece, William and Temperance Gale. I make my brother John and my friend, William Denn, both of Goshen, executors. Dated July 3, 1757. Witnesses, James Thompson, Nathaniel Bayles, wheelwright, Isaac Smith, planter. Proved, September 27, 1757

Wayne was nice enough to permit me to repost his message from another list. Abstracts of Wills Vol V 1754-1760, page 159 & 160: Page 210.--In the name of God, Amen. I, SAMUEL GALIE, of Goshen, in Orange County, being weak in body, February 14, 1756. I leave to my son Samuel 5 shillings. I leave to my son Richard my dwelling house I now live in in the town of Goshen, and a piece of land lying near Thomas Sayres, which I purchased of Thomas Mapes. I leave to my son Asa my house and land I purchased of John Carp in Goshen, Also my two West Division lots of land. I leave to my daughter Juliana, wife of George De Kay, 5 shillings. To my wife Elizabeth the choice of my negroes, and to my daughter Dorithy the second choice. "And as my wife is now pregnant, the child, if it lives, is to have the third choice." All the remainder of my estate I leave to my wife and children. I make my wife, and William Worthrinton, of Saybrook, and John Galie, of Goshen, and Benjamin Carpenter, of Goshen, and Henry Usonow, executors. Witnesses, Joseph Wood, Israel Parshall, Jonathan Cory, Jr. Proved, February 28, 1757.

The first will listed in "Early Orange County Wills" as being in Goshen was dated June 27, 1787. (I did not find administrations in Goshen until about 1820 in my searches there ?). Before 1787 wills had to be filed with NY State Courts. Most of those were filed in Albany and later moved to the Surrogate Court in New York City. Abstracts of those wills for the whole state were published by the New-York Historical Society. 15 volumes and 2 volumes of corrections. 1891-1908. I went to the Surrogate Court in NYC years ago looking for administration papers and was told that there were few or none before about 1830. There is a book by Dr. Kenneth Scott "Genealogical Data from Administration Papers from the Court of Appeals in Albany" -1972. The administration papers from Albany (covering the whole state) were deposited in the Historical Documents Collection of Queens College. They were abstracted and then published. Ralph Weller

Hi all, I have a question.We have some "family" photographs, basically unidentified - ie: great grandmother's brother- she had 5. I was hoping someone could help me date the photographers at least. Are any of these archived anywhere or do they appear in directories? : 1) Frank Edsall, photographer, Goshen 2) Baird and Jessup, Middletown,NY, 3) Photographic Artist, SA Thomas, 717, Sixth Ave, NY, 4) "Hope, LAte of 233 Broadway, Ny Succ'r to Frank Edsall", 5) JJ Huyler, Artist, Middletown, NY (this one is of a William Post- I know who he is). These photos are of the Frederick, Stevens, Cooper families of Chester and Monroe, and Goshen. Several family members immigrated to Minnesota in the mid 1850's. So most of the photo's may predate that time, or be in that ball park. Lil

The letters of Admin should be listed in the Will Book Index in the Surrogates Office in Goshen. They will not look up for you but if you get the Libre and Page # they will copy it for a copy fee. Bill Staples, WE (Worker Emeritus) Researching Family History of HOLMES, STAPLES, ELMS, BANKS, WYGANT lines

There was absolutely no doubt in my mind that someone in the newsgroup would be able to tell us when the Drowned Lands became what they are today. Thanks, Charles and others for your generous information. A drainage project such as that certainly did not occur overnight. Mainly, I was concerned with my 5xGGF, Samuel Knapp who died in 1834. I presume he lived upon Pochuck Mountain and simply used his lot in the Drowned Land, like others did, for cutting firewood. Except for the "islands" it was certainly not a habitable place. One would think that a swamp like this would have been the source of illness such as malaria or yellow fever. So far, I haven't read anything about that. During my trip there in 1995, I drove south from Goshen and then went south and west from Florida. It was several miles before I encountered that broad flat valley that once was swamp and is now the Black Dirt Area. It was completely unmistakable as the land is definitely not even close to flat anywhere else around there. My thought on the Wallkill River part of the project was that it might have been done along with some of the other large water projects in the mid-1800s, namely the canals. The same sort of equipment or methods would have been required for both, probably men and shovels. So now we know. Some of the drainage ditches were actually done in this century --- oops! last century. Tom

I am trying to find letters/papers of administration for a 1779 will. I have a copy of the original will and of the abstract, but am not sure how to search for or access administrative papers that would have been filed to settle the will. Can anyone advise me on this, or point me to someone who can? Thanks, Michael

Watkins Express Mar 13 1885 (Deaths) Thompson, Dr J W Of Watkins on 3-13-1885 age nearly 72 years. Born in Orange County 5-20-1813 one of a family of two sisters and six brothers. One survives, Mr. Royal Thompson of Ithaca nearly 85 years. Parents Thomas Thompson of Ireland and Esther Colman. Dr. J W studied medicine in Bath and moved to Burdett in 1836. He married Cordelia P Jackson, dau of the late Gen. Daniel Jackson. They had eight children, four now living, Mary D wife of G W Gardner, Misses Bertha D and Addie C and Mr John M all of Watkins. Dr J W lived in Ithaca in 1855 but moved to Watkins in 1856 to practice medicine. He also started a drugstore and had the block built that had his store in it. His sons Frank P and John M were associated with his drug store. Hi, Can anyone give me info about Dr. John ? or of James Thompson, who supposedly came out of Orange County NY to Tompkins County circa 1817. James and Margaret had John, Nancy, Thomas W., Daniel. Job, and James. Thanks Keith Milo Thompson

There is extensive Delamater genealogy in Riker's 1904 "REVISED HISTORY OF HARLEM" which can be found at many major libraries. On Mon, 10 Jan 2000 13:27:48 -0400 mr.d7@juno.com writes: >Whomever: > >Would you have any information about the family of Abraham David >Delamater? He was christened February 17, 1771 at the Kingston RDC and >died February 16, 1841 at Rhinebeck, NY where he was a physician. I am >contacting Dutchess, Orange and Ulster Counties with this query. > >Abraham married an Enjeltje Elmendorph February 8, 1795, Kingston, NY. >She was born February 8, 1775 Kingston. They had five children. David >Cornelius Delameter, b. 1796 Kingston, Cornelius Delamater, b. 1799 >Kingston , John Schoonmaker Delamater, b. 1802 Bloomingdale, Peter R >Roosa Delamater, b. 1804 Esopus, and Maria Delamater, b, 1812. > >I have extensive information on David Cornelius, and know the ancestry >of Abraham David, but know very little about him, his wife and his >OTHER children. Any leads you might share would be greatly >appreciated. It appears to me that the other sons of Abraham may have >moved to Shandaken, according to the 1830 census. I do know that David >Cornelius ended up in Colchester, NY. Perhaps he and his son, Abraham, >are the ones mentioned in the 1840 Census for Shandaken. > >There is also a widow Delamater listed in the1840 census that is my >ancestor. She is listed next in line to a Harmon Utter in the 1840 >census. In the 1830 census John S. DeLaMarter is listed next to Harmon >Utter. I know that doesn't necessarily mean anything, but >interestingly enough Harmon Utter's property bordered the widow >Sarah/Sally Delamater on the south side, according to land records of >her daughter, Eliza Ann. > >There is also a Peter DeLaMarter listed in Shandaken in the 1830 >census. I have no info on him, either. > >Many thanks in advance for any lead you may have for Abraham David >Delamater or the members of his family. > >Phil Delamarter >Mr. "D"

Whomever: Would you have any information about the family of Abraham David Delamater? He was christened February 17, 1771 at the Kingston RDC and died February 16, 1841 at Rhinebeck, NY where he was a physician. I am contacting Dutchess, Orange and Ulster Counties with this query. Abraham married an Enjeltje Elmendorph February 8, 1795, Kingston, NY. She was born February 8, 1775 Kingston. They had five children. David Cornelius Delameter, b. 1796 Kingston, Cornelius Delamater, b. 1799 Kingston , John Schoonmaker Delamater, b. 1802 Bloomingdale, Peter R Roosa Delamater, b. 1804 Esopus, and Maria Delamater, b, 1812. I have extensive information on David Cornelius, and know the ancestry of Abraham David, but know very little about him, his wife and his OTHER children. Any leads you might share would be greatly appreciated. It appears to me that the other sons of Abraham may have moved to Shandaken, according to the 1830 census. I do know that David Cornelius ended up in Colchester, NY. Perhaps he and his son, Abraham, are the ones mentioned in the 1840 Census for Shandaken. There is also a widow Delamater listed in the1840 census that is my ancestor. She is listed next in line to a Harmon Utter in the 1840 census. In the 1830 census John S. DeLaMarter is listed next to Harmon Utter. I know that doesn't necessarily mean anything, but interestingly enough Harmon Utter's property bordered the widow Sarah/Sally Delamater on the south side, according to land records of her daughter, Eliza Ann. There is also a Peter DeLaMarter listed in Shandaken in the 1830 census. I have no info on him, either. Many thanks in advance for any lead you may have for Abraham David Delamater or the members of his family. Phil Delamarter Mr. "D"

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