NEW PUBLICATIONS AT OCGS <<STEVENOT'S>> FAMILIES OF THE RAMAPOS with supplement THE DESCENDANTS OF BAILEYTOWN by Marjorie Stevenot. Another OCGS reprint of Marjorie's sought after books, but this time there are two books in one. It seemed fitting to supplement her multi-family book on Ramapo Mountain families with her book on the Baileytown families. The major families cover are Becraft, Pitt, Call, Starr, Charleston, Hobencamp and of course the Baileys plus their related families. 1999 (1996&1998) reprint, soft cover, 242 pages. $20.00 Postpaid Book Rate Introductory Special Until June: $17.50 POST PAID Book Rate [$19.50 Priority Mail] Send Check to: Orange County Genealogical Society 101 Main Street Goshen NY 10924

NEW PUBLICATIONS AT OCGS WALLKILL -- VITAL RECORDS 1881-1913, CENSUS RECORDS 1900, & AREA OBITUARIES VOLUME ONE by Bob Brennan. The title speaks for itself for this massive work of important information for the Town of Wallkill. Bob has spent weeks transcribing and organizing this information that for the most part has been totally inaccessible. This is a must have for anyone doing research in this area. Bob promises a second volume provided he can gather enough valuable information 2000, Soft cover, 244 pages. $19.00 Postpaid Book Rate Introductory Special Until June: $15.00 POST PAID Book Rate [$17.00 Priority Mail] Send Check to: Orange County Genealogical Society 101 Main Street Goshen NY 10924

NEW PUBLICATIONS AT OCGS <<STEVENOT'S>> FAMILIES OF THE RAMAPOS with supplement THE DESCENDANTS OF BAILEYTOWN by Marjorie Stevenot. Another OCGS reprint of Marjorie's sought after books, but this time there are two books in one. It seemed fitting to supplement her multi-family book on Ramapo Mountain families with her book on the Baileytown families. The major families cover are Becraft, Pitt, Call, Starr, Charleston, Hobencamp and of course the Baileys plus their related families. 1999 (1996&1998) reprint, soft cover, 242 pages. $20.00 Postpaid Book Rate Introductory Special Until June: $17.50 POST PAID Book Rate [$19.50 Priority Mail] Send Check to: Orange County Genealogical Society 101 Main Street Goshen NY 10924

NEW PUBLICATIONS AT OCGS THE HISTORY OF THE 124TH REGIMENT, NEW YORK STATE VOLUNTEERS by Charles H. Weygant Also known as the "Orange Blossom" Regimental History, this is a long awaited reprint of one of the most widely used and sought after volumes for Orange County Civil War research. Col. Weygant had promised his men upon disbanding in June of 1865, that he would see to it that a history of the regiment was written. It would be a history in which not only the sufferings and deeds of its noble dead, but of its surviving members who fought at Chancellorsville, Beverly's Ford, Gettysburgh, and other battles would be truthfully recorded. 1995 (1877) Reprint, hard cover, 460 pages. $40.00 Post paid Book Rate Introductory Special Until June: $37.50 POST PAID Book Rate [$41.50 Priority Mail] Send Check to: Orange County Genealogical Society 101 Main Street Goshen NY 10924

Just checking to see if anyone may have any information about John Rogers who I believe lived in the Tuxedo area in the early 1800's. He was a blacksmith and later worked at Ringwood Manor. His daughter Mary Ellen married James Riley. Any information greatly appreciated. Mahalo , Kevin

Here are some further Carpenter finds from my April pilgrimage to Orange County NY. The cemetery I visited in Ridgebury is next to the Grace United Methodist church, but is also associated with the Presbyterian church across the road. I do not know which graves may be associated with which church. Increase Carpenter, d. 8/14/1838, aged 50-8-xx. This is clearly Increase #870 in ABC's Carpenter Memorial Rebekah, Wife of Increase Carpenter, d. 2/19/1841 in 60th year Note the "Rebekah" spelling on the stone; diff from ABC's William Carpenter, d. 10/18/1859, aged 18-2-5 This is evidently ABC's #2099 (son of Increase) Note the implied birth date inconsistent with father's and mother's deaths...probably implying I mis-read something. John Carpenter, d. 10/21/1862, aged 60-7-18 ABC's #2098 (son of Increase); John's dau directly next to Increase Hannah Jane, Wife of John Carpenter, d. 2/13/1855, aged 55-7-27 wife of #2098 Susan(?), daughter of John and Hannah Carpenter, d. 1/20/1841(?) >>CASE follow-up: >>Next to John & Hannah Carpenter are Gideon & Hannah Case >>(Sorry, I neglected to get the dates.) Isaac Carpenter, d. 9/24/1863, aged 61-3-15 ABC's #2100, a son of Increase #870 Charlotte M, Wife of Isaac Carpenter; b.5/30/1820, d.9/8/1900 ABC has her as Charlotte W, but my reading of the stone is M Emmet, son of Isaac and Lizzie Carpenter; d.8/20/1875 This stone is between Isaac & Charlotte; is Lizzie a 1st wife? Carrie B. Carpenter, dau of Isaac and Charlotte M; d.6/29/1873, 10-7-3 Sally Carpenter; d.5/6/1876 aged 63 yrs Eliza Carpenter; d.1/30/1869 aged 61 years These two stones are adjacent, suggesting unmarried sisters They COULD be ABC's #2271 and 2274, but then ABC has life data wrong E. Dallas Carpenter 1844-1919 Marrier(?) Reed Carpenter 1818-1845 William C. Carpenter b. 5/6/1805 George L. Carpenter, 1897-1963 Nellie S. Carpenter, 1818-1845 Frank E. Carpenter, 1876-1949 Oscar Carpenter, 1848-1936 Maggie O'Connell 1862-1949 And here are a couple of Reeves (surprised I didn't find dozens here!): James Westmere(?) Reeve; b.9/6/1811, d.6/22/1890 Fannie Little Reeve; b.unreadable, d. 5/11/1890 Charlotte Y. Reeve; 1838-1897

See last entry. ---------------- Begin Forwarded Message ---------------- Date: 5/2/2000 12:31 AM Received: 5/2/2000 12:38 AM From: pam/sid jeter, sidjr@jps.net To: BROOKLYN-Roots List, NYBROOKLYN-L@rootsweb.com CORONERS' REPORT NYC 1823-42 pg 132 McCrary, David- fall from ladder while at work at the house of Lambert Suydam. b. Ireland, age 60. Jane Ann McCrary is his daughter and John D. McCrary his son. (11Sep 1838) McCrea, Alexander- debilty, br. England, age 51 (16 Feb 1832) McCrea, Mary - disease brought on by intemperance, b. ireland, living with her children, all whom are young (31 Jul 1842) McCue, Mary - intemperance (7 Aug 1835) McCue, Thomas - intemperance & exposure (12 Oct 1835) McCulgin, Jane - suicide by laudanum, b. ireland age 23 (1 Nov 1824) McCullough, Jane - driven over by George Winters (colored), b. new York age 2 yrs and 8 mos, child of Patrick & Ellen McCullough)\ (29 May 1839) McCullough, Phillip- run over by a wagon. b. New York , age 19 mos, child of Francis and Ellen McCullough (21 Jul 1838) McCully, Samuel, Jr. - depression on the brain, b. New York age 13 yrs child of Samuel McCully. Brother of the dec'd is Alfonso McCully (26 Aug 1840) McDalmut, John - fracture of the leg and dissipation (4 apr 1837) McDermott, Catherine - accidentally burned to deatrh, b. Philadelphia, age 37 a servant in the house of Dr. Simons, where she caught fire from the candle. (20 Feb 1835) McDermot, John- drowning, b. Ireland, age 25 (20 Apr 1829) McDermot, Mary - fell downstairs ( 27 Dec 1835) McDermott, Mary - cause unk, b. Ireland, age 40 , wife of Thomas McDermott (26 Dec 1838) McDermott, Michael - Killed by falling of building No. 119 Mulberry st. b. Ireland, age 45 (16 Jul 1840) McDermot, Sophia - visitation of God, b. New york age 3 mos, child of Willliam and Dophia McDermot. The mother was drunk (9 May 1838) McDermut, Terence - drowning, b. Ireland age 40 ( 8 Oct 1828) McDevitt/McDavit, Charles- Suffocation, b. New York age about 6 weeks child of Edward and Grace McDavit (1Apr 1842) McDevitt, John - drowning, b. Ireland age 35 (31 May 1834) McDevitt, James - fall from the piazza of the Lunatic Hospital at Bellevue, b. Ireland, age 35 ( 25 Nov 1838) McDonald, Abigail - intemperance, b. Boston, age 40 (4 Dec 1830 McDonald, Alexander - apoplexy, b. Lansingburg, age 40 (26 Apr 1837) McDonald, Anna Maria- Suicide by laudandum, b. Orange Co. age 21 (12 Jul 1827) ----------------- End Forwarded Message -----------------

According to my maps, Cornwall should have always (1790 on) been part of Orange. The part that was in Ulster appears to be from just below Newburgh Bill Staples, WE (Worker Emeritus) Researching Family History of HOLMES (NY/CT), STAPLES(NY/NJ/CT), ELMS(NY), BANKS(CT) , WYGANT(NY)

Dear Listers, What county would Cornwall be considered a part of prior to 1798? (It was mentioned parts of eastern Orange were part of Ulster Co) Liz Weislogel

I think all the advice clarifies thing for me a bit. My ancestors died in the 1920's. Just knowing the process makes it a lot less intimidating. The Surrogate Court would be in the courthouse? Next time, I take a day off, I'll be heading to Goshen! Thanks again for everyone's help!

Dear Kim, If a person died in Orange County prior to 1787 and if a will was filed and probated, it would have been done in either 1.) Albany (see the book Colander of Wills by Fernow) and I believe the originals are in the NYS archives 2.) NYC (the Orange and Ulster County wills have been abstracted and form part one of the OCGS publication "Early Orange County Wills" Copies of originals can be order from NYC 3.) Some were filed in Kingston, as much of the eastern part of Orange County was part of Ulster County prior to 1798. The originals are mostly likely only on microfilm. If the person died and the will was probated after 1787, it will most likely be found in the Surrogates Court in Goshen. The wills filed between 1787 and 1830 have been abstracted and form part two of OCGS publication "Early Orange County Wills" "EARLY ORANGE COUNTY WILLS" can be ordered from: Orange County Genealogical Society Attention: Orders 101 Main Street Goshen NY 10924 The cost is $30.00 postpaid book rate -- add $3 for priority mail. Hope all this helps. Dan Burrows

I'm new at this and have a question that I just can't seem to find the answer to (maybe I'm just not looking in the right place). How do I obtain an ancestor's will? They resided and died in Orange County (Goshen/Middletown to be exact). I've read about the different courts, etc. but to tell you the truth, the more I read, the more confused I get. Do I go to the court house in Goshen? Is there a form I have to fill out? Will I have to document my relationship to the person? Can I obtain it through the mail or ask for it over the phone? Any help would be greatly appreciated! Kim (Gates) Altmann

Howard, I thought it was pretty good and that a few of 'us' might appreciate it. Bill

Hello listers, Does anyone know which film roll of the 1860 Federal Census for Orange Co has Goshen in it? I'd like to get it from my FHL but there are three for Orange Co. in 1860. Thanks, Liz Weislogel

Hello Bill, Your little poem was right on the money. As I approach "big 65", I am constantly amazed at how much I know and how little problem I have with telling it all to the world. It is a really great thing to be able to give everyone the benefit of my experiences in marriage (43 years),raising children (4),directing grandchildren (9) down the proper road to success in life and a whole host of other things that I feel the world needs to know to keep it on the straight and narrow. I always wonder whether people who have become successful without my counsel and sage advice had the benefit of another equally knowledgeable mentor or they managed to do it with pure,dumb luck! If anyone wishes to avail themselves of my vast treasure trove of knowledge,all they need to do is ask! Did I also mention that I was a windbag? Howard Cole in Charlotte,NC At 02:13 PM 4/29/00 -0400, William Staples wrote: > A Prayer > For Those Growing Old > >Lord, Thou knowest I am growing older. > >Please keep me from becoming talkative and possessed with the need to >express myself on every subject. > >Release me from the craving to straighten out everyone's problems and >affairs. > >Keep me from reciting endless details. Give me wings to get to the point. > >Seal my lips when I am inclined to tell of my aches and pains. They are >increasing with the years and my love to speak of them grows sweeter as >time goes by. > >Teach me the glorious lesson that occasionally I may be wrong. Make me >thoughtful but not nosey; helpful but not bossy. > >Considering my vast store of wisdom, knowledge and experience, it does seem >a pity not to use it all. But Thou knowest, Lord, that I would like to >have at least a few friends at the end of my journey. > > AMEN > > > >Bill Staples, WE (Worker Emeritus) > >Researching Family History of HOLMES (NY/CT), STAPLES(NY/NJ/CT), >ELMS(NY), BANKS(CT) , WYGANT(NY) > > >

A Prayer For Those Growing Old Lord, Thou knowest I am growing older. Please keep me from becoming talkative and possessed with the need to express myself on every subject. Release me from the craving to straighten out everyone's problems and affairs. Keep me from reciting endless details. Give me wings to get to the point. Seal my lips when I am inclined to tell of my aches and pains. They are increasing with the years and my love to speak of them grows sweeter as time goes by. Teach me the glorious lesson that occasionally I may be wrong. Make me thoughtful but not nosey; helpful but not bossy. Considering my vast store of wisdom, knowledge and experience, it does seem a pity not to use it all. But Thou knowest, Lord, that I would like to have at least a few friends at the end of my journey. AMEN Bill Staples, WE (Worker Emeritus) Researching Family History of HOLMES (NY/CT), STAPLES(NY/NJ/CT), ELMS(NY), BANKS(CT) , WYGANT(NY)

Wurtsboro in Sullivan Co was once known as Rome. It is very close to Orange Co. and someone living in the vicinity might say they lived at Rome and reside in Orange Co.

I have a favor to ask... Could someone do a look-up for me for the will probated 25 June 1787 for Alexander Beattie ? I believe he was living in Ulster Co. at that time. I don't have the name of his wife. Thanks. Helen in CA

History of Orange County Town of Newburgh pg. 190 Gazette of July 12, 1823 The Medical Society of this county met in the village of Newburgh in October 1823, and invited the members of the Newburgh Lyceum to attend. In the forenoon dr. John M. Gough read a medical essay, which elicited from the members a large portion of merited praise. In the afternoon Dr. Francis L. Beattie read another essay which met with similar approbation, and the remainder of the day was spent by the faculty in discussing scientific and literary subjects to the no small mental gratification and entertainment of their guests. pg 324 Town of Montgomery Coldenham Church skipping a few paragraphs Robert Johnson, who had been ordained to the office of ruling elder some time previous to his removal from Ireland, and Robert Beattie, who had been an elder in the Associate Reformed Church at Little Britain, from which he had withdrawn, were the ruling elders of this new congregation. Commencing as it did under favorable auspices the new organization received liberal supplies of gospal ordinances from those eminent men, who became the father of the Reformed Presbyterain Church in America. pg 649 Medical Society of Orange County list of Members of the Medical Society from the foundation of the institution. lists a F.S. Beattie at the Feb. 24th 1807 meeting. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Sgbt559@aol.com> To: <sound1@qed.net> Sent: Friday, April 28, 2000 9:31 AM Subject: Re: Orange Co. Almshouse & Asylum > Joanne, > Thanks for the reply. Pardon my computer "burp". > Under Beattie is there a Francis or Robert? I have seen my name spelled > Beaty/Beatty/ Beattie. I know this is a pain to do, but I can not find the > book here in Colo. > Francis was my 5th gr-grandfather. If Robert was his father then I have made > my connection across the ocean. > I am REALLY greatful for your time. > Sarah Beattie

This is an urgent call to all those lost lines out there. A project of updating THE SWARTWOUT CHRONICLES is is full gear. If you have them in your line and lost the link. Even better their lines left out of the Original Chronicles, please submit them for the Updated version. There is no author as we all take credit for each of our own lines. Come on folks, it won't cost a penny and you could help someone find their roots. Just send in you lines and you get all the credit for it. Also LABOR DAY WEEKEND IS REUNION TIME!!!!! And this year is a real biggy! It will be held in Geneva, New York. Why is it so important? As of the year 2002 the Swartwout family will have been in North America 350 years. A big head count t the reunion will guarntee us of a place in history, by the Swartwout name getting honourable mention in the Sentate and put into the minutes. We have a lot to lose by not showing up. Kathy Hoeldke kathyhoeldke@sympatico.ca