Ramapo is Rockland County, New York -----Original Message----- From: Karin Brown [mailto:BERLINERBEAR@webtv.net] Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2000 6:49 PM To: NYORANGE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: OC Surname: CARR hi Oliver, have you looked at the new edition of Everton's book "families of the Ramapo"? all the names you mentioned are in there

I have a George Carr born ? died October 1926 in Warwick New York married Nellie Anna Quackenbush. Nellie was born December 7 1873. George and Nellie had a son Paul. Does any of this connect to anyone? Thanks for your time. Regards, Cindy Listen to the Angels! The Quackenbosch/Quackenbush Family Page http://genweb.net/~cindy/Quackenbush/index.html The Anneke Jans and Everardus Bogardus Web Page http://genweb.net/~cindy/Anneke/page0.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: Oliver Popenoe <oliver@popenoe.com> To: <NYORANGE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2000 4:32 PM Subject: RE: OC Surname: CARR > I have done a lot of work on the Carrs of OC in the 18th and early 19th > centuries (mostly from Warwick and nearby Sussex Co) and do not recognize > this particular family. If you can you tell me your source and anything > else you know about them, I might be able to help you place them. > > Oliver Popenoe > 5 Kassel Court > Mamaroneck, NY 10543 > Phone: 914-381-3226 > Fax: 914-381-0329 > Email: oliver@popenoe.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sjhcamp@aol.com [mailto:Sjhcamp@aol.com] > Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2000 3:50 PM > To: NYORANGE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: OC Surnames: CONKLIN, CARR, KING, HOGENCAMP > > I am especially looking for any information on the following three families: > > 1 Morris Carr b: EST 1809 > +Sally (Sarah) b: EST 1820 > 2 Harriet E Carr b: 02/09/1842 in NYd: 09/10/1908 in Vernon, NJ > +Seaman Conklin b: EST 1838 > *2nd Husband of Harriet E Carr: > +Hezekiah Heady d: 12/02/1905 > 2 Merrit T Carr b: 05/06/1862 > 2 Mary Carr b: EST 1840 > 2 George Carr b: EST 1852 > 2 Sarah A Carr b: EST 1854 > 2 Samuel Carr b: EST 1856 > 2 Catherine Carr b: EST 1858 > > 1 Meshac Conklin b: EST 1795 > +Sarah b: EST 1801 > 2 Seaman Conklin b: EST 1838 > +Harriet E Carr b: 02/09/1842 in NY d: 09/10/1908 in Vernon, NJ > 3 Eliza Jane Conklin b: 05/05/1862 in NY > d: 12/06/1938 in Middletown, NY > +DeWitt C. Hovencamp b: 01/26/1853 in NJ > d: 04/02/1937 in Middletown, NY > 3 Daniel Conklin b: 04/19/1861 in Glenwood, NJ d: 03/05/1947 > +Eliza Hovencamp b: 09/26/1860 in Sussex, NJ > d: 07/28/1930 in Glenwood, NJ > 2 Hannah Conklin b: EST 1832 > 2 Jane Conklin b: EST 1834 > 2 Susan Conklin b: EST 1841 > 2 Elizabeth Conklin b: EST 1844 > > 1 Elias Conklin > +Anna > 2 Sarah Conklin 1792 - 1868 > +Jacob V. Belcher 1783 - 1863 > 3 Anna L. Belcher 1820 - 1889 > +Everett Hovencamp 1812 - 1895 m: 1836 > 3 Benjamin B. Belcher 1823 - > 3 Jacob Belcher 1825 - > 3 Sylvester O. Belcher 1831 - > 3 Rachael Belcher 1836 - > 3 John Belcher 1841 - > 3 Hannah Belcher 1823 - > > All of these surnames haves ties to Orange Co, NY, Rockland Co, NY and > Sussex > Co, NJ. > > Susan Hovencamp ~ sjhcamp@aol.com > Co-Listowner of: OBIT-LOOKUPS-L, Listowner of: HOGENCAMP-L > Obit Volunteer List at: http://members.aol.com/sjhcamp/index.html > *** WE NEED VOLUNTEERS - Please Consider Volunteering for Your Area *** > > >

hi Oliver, have you looked at the new edition of Everton's book "families of the Ramapo"? all the names you mentioned are in there

The Taylors, Poppinos, Armstrongs and Jacksons all lived around each other a mile or so SW of Florida in the late 18th and early 19th Centuries. There is still a Taylor Road there, running between Jessup (formerly Armstrong) Road and Old Ridge Road. I know a good bit about the Poppinos Armstrongs and Jacksons and other families there but not the Taylors. Mary Poppino (b 1750s, d 1853, married James Jackson who died in 1807. Afterward Mary lived with various Taylors so she must have had a dau who married one but I have no information on any of her kids. I have a sheet from the Elizabeth Horton collection at OCGS that says William Borland (Capt) of Ulster Co (1703-1779/80) m1 Rebecca McNeal; m2 Tabitha McNeal (b 5-28-1724, d 6-20-1815). Among their children were Jean who m Francis Armstrong, and Charles who m Rebecca McNeal Oct 28 1779 (6 children}. Others mentioned. So I assume your James Taylor was from the same neighborhood. Do you have any records of a Taylor marrying a Jackson or other info about the Taylors in that neighborhood? Maybe we can help each other. Oliver Popenoe Oliver Popenoe 5 Kassel Court Mamaroneck, NY 10543 Phone: 914-381-3226 Fax: 914-381-0329 Email: oliver@popenoe.com -----Original Message----- From: Genette & Bill [mailto:gator@ionia-mi.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2000 4:30 PM To: NYORANGE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Roll Call--TAYLOR, BORLAND I am researching James Taylor b. ca 1786 Orange Co NY married to Tabitha Borland b. ca 1791 Orange Co NY daughter of Charles and Rebecca (MacNeal) Borland. Genette Taylor

I have done a lot of work on the Carrs of OC in the 18th and early 19th centuries (mostly from Warwick and nearby Sussex Co) and do not recognize this particular family. If you can you tell me your source and anything else you know about them, I might be able to help you place them. Oliver Popenoe 5 Kassel Court Mamaroneck, NY 10543 Phone: 914-381-3226 Fax: 914-381-0329 Email: oliver@popenoe.com -----Original Message----- From: Sjhcamp@aol.com [mailto:Sjhcamp@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2000 3:50 PM To: NYORANGE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: OC Surnames: CONKLIN, CARR, KING, HOGENCAMP I am especially looking for any information on the following three families: 1 Morris Carr b: EST 1809 +Sally (Sarah) b: EST 1820 2 Harriet E Carr b: 02/09/1842 in NYd: 09/10/1908 in Vernon, NJ +Seaman Conklin b: EST 1838 *2nd Husband of Harriet E Carr: +Hezekiah Heady d: 12/02/1905 2 Merrit T Carr b: 05/06/1862 2 Mary Carr b: EST 1840 2 George Carr b: EST 1852 2 Sarah A Carr b: EST 1854 2 Samuel Carr b: EST 1856 2 Catherine Carr b: EST 1858 1 Meshac Conklin b: EST 1795 +Sarah b: EST 1801 2 Seaman Conklin b: EST 1838 +Harriet E Carr b: 02/09/1842 in NY d: 09/10/1908 in Vernon, NJ 3 Eliza Jane Conklin b: 05/05/1862 in NY d: 12/06/1938 in Middletown, NY +DeWitt C. Hovencamp b: 01/26/1853 in NJ d: 04/02/1937 in Middletown, NY 3 Daniel Conklin b: 04/19/1861 in Glenwood, NJ d: 03/05/1947 +Eliza Hovencamp b: 09/26/1860 in Sussex, NJ d: 07/28/1930 in Glenwood, NJ 2 Hannah Conklin b: EST 1832 2 Jane Conklin b: EST 1834 2 Susan Conklin b: EST 1841 2 Elizabeth Conklin b: EST 1844 1 Elias Conklin +Anna 2 Sarah Conklin 1792 - 1868 +Jacob V. Belcher 1783 - 1863 3 Anna L. Belcher 1820 - 1889 +Everett Hovencamp 1812 - 1895 m: 1836 3 Benjamin B. Belcher 1823 - 3 Jacob Belcher 1825 - 3 Sylvester O. Belcher 1831 - 3 Rachael Belcher 1836 - 3 John Belcher 1841 - 3 Hannah Belcher 1823 - All of these surnames haves ties to Orange Co, NY, Rockland Co, NY and Sussex Co, NJ. Susan Hovencamp ~ sjhcamp@aol.com Co-Listowner of: OBIT-LOOKUPS-L, Listowner of: HOGENCAMP-L Obit Volunteer List at: http://members.aol.com/sjhcamp/index.html *** WE NEED VOLUNTEERS - Please Consider Volunteering for Your Area ***

Dear Jeannie (or should I say Ms. Ology?) The Hollys were from Stamford, CT and came out in 1714-15 along with Seely, Knapp and other families. A brief article by Roger Joslyn (which I copied but failed to note in what journal it appeared), reports the original will of Samuel Holly of Goshen Precinct, found among the Orange County Court of Common Pleas and other court papers, Box 10424815, County Clerk's office storage. Samuel was born in Stamford, 20 Oct 1704, son of John (Samuel, John). In 1714 his father, John Holly of Stamford, shipwright, purchased a tract in the Wawayanda patent and presumably came out the following April as you note. Samuel wrote his will in 1748, dividing his farm between his sons Ebenezer and Joseph, and also mentioning sons Ezekiel, Salvinis, Samuel and Noah. John Holly, in 1723, had deeded part of his land to his sons, 71 acres to Noah, and 91 acres each to Samuel and Bezaleel, all of Goshen (Deeds B-328-30). In 1764 Ebenezer, weaver, quitclaimed his share to his brother Joseph Deeds C 172). A list of the inhabitants west of the Highlands in Orange County in 1715 included John Holly, Ebenezer Holly, Noah Holly, and Benjamin Holly. Jeanne Majdalany's The Story of the Early Settlers of Stamford, CT 1641-1700, gives an abbreviated genealogy of the Holly family. John Holly, b 1685, d 1724, m 1708 Abigail Hoyt. No brother Ebenezer and no other Ebenezers shown. Majdalany does not list John's children. So where does that leave us. One possibility is that Ebenezer gave his age wrongly at the boundary hearing, or that it was later transcribed wrongly and that he was the son of Samuel. More likely he could be a brother of Samuel but not included in father John's 1723 deed, perhaps because he had already been taken care of. Would a 17-year old be listed among a handful of male inhabitants west of the Highlands in 1715? Can't say. There is a Holly genealogy (maybe more than one) which I don't have. The family has been pretty thoroughly researched and a look at one of the compiled genealogies might give you your answer. Sorry I can't tell you who Ebenezer's father was, but this might help you on your way. Oliver Oliver Popenoe 5 Kassel Court Mamaroneck, NY 10543 Phone: 914-381-3226 Fax: 914-381-0329 Email: oliver@popenoe.com -----Original Message----- From: JKillickbr@aol.com [mailto:JKillickbr@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 10:43 AM To: NYORANGE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Surnames - TUTHILL, SMITH, HOLLY (by smickley@ptd.net) In a message dated 05/31/2000 11:36:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, smickley@ptd.net writes: << John TUTHILL was possibly the son of John and Temperance SMITH, m. abt. 1752. his sister was Freegift TUTHILL living in Orange County in 1734)>> Yes, your John is a son of JOHN and TEMPERANCE (SMITH) TUTHILL. FREEGIFT TUTHILL was definitely MALE, (as were all others of the same given name). << Who were Temperance SMITH's parents?>> Temperance was a daughter of JAMES SMITH and JERUSHA TOPPING. <Does anyone have more information on Ebenezer Holly?> >From "Proceedings to determine boundaries of the Wawayanda and Cheesecocks Patents", Independent Repulican Printing Company, Goshen NY 1915, p. 17: Ebenezer Holly, of Wawayanda, age 87 (in 1785), "came here with his father in April 1715." Therefore, Ebenezer was born approximately 1698. Unfortunately, his father's name is not stated, and it doesn't say WHERE they came from. Happy hunting, Jeannie-ology : )

looking for info on a Titus Hallett born 1803 and lived in Orange and in Dutchess between 1830-1860,,,he married a Deborah ???,,,and then moved to Connecticut,,,he had a son named George born 1835 and married a Martha Smith ,,,need info on Titus other than census,,marriage,deeds,bible,cemetary??anything ..please help,,thanks derek minchey 318-752-1643

Sorry when I sent the obit. I forgot to mention that this was taken from the W antage Recorder (Sussex Co., NJ) and from the newspaper issued Friday, May 31, 1912. Mona Bross Hylton, Indiana

I hope this will help someone. "Mrs. Sarah M. SNYDER died in Middletown, NY on Friday klast aged 84 years, 4 months and 16 days. She was long time a resident of the village of Ridgeberry, NY where her husband died many years ago, and from whence she moved to Middletown abut two years ago. She is survived by children: Mrs. E. MULLIN, of Edenville, NY; George M. SNYDER, of Middletown; Mrs. Sarah C. CONKLIN of Jersey City; C. Eugene SNYDER, of Hurd, Sullivan Co., NY: Mrs. Lewis MORRIS, of Ridgeberry; John C. SNYDER, of New Milford, NY and Mrs. L. MOHL, of Jersey City. The funeral was held on Monday at the Methodist church in Ridgeberry at 2 p.m. Interment in Ridgeberry cemetery." Mona Bross Hylton, INdiana

Land Record are located in the County Clerk's Office in the 'New' County building Northeast of the center of town on Rte 207. Bill Staples, WE (Worker Emeritus) 'You can get much further with a kind word and a gun than you can with a kind word alone" Researching Family History of HOLMES (NY/CT), DEHART (STATEN ISLAND) STAPLES(NY/NJ/CT), ELMS(NY), BANKS(CT) , WYGANT(NY)

June 1910; Wantage Recorder "Sarah (MARTIN) JAY died at her home in Goshen, N. Y., Friday last, aged 86 years, 10 months and 10 days. She was born near this borough, a daughter of Hymphrey and Isabelle (TEASDALE) Martin, and married Jackson D. JAY of Goshen. He died several years ago. She is survived by one daughter, Mrs. Elizabeth DIKEMAN, of Goshen, and one sister, Anna T., wife of Moses B. NORTHRUP, of Newton. Mrs. NORTHRUP is now the last survivor of a family of eleven children. The deceased had been a member of the First Baptsit Church of this borough since 1837, and a resident of Goshen fifty years. The funeral was held at the house on Monday at 1:30 p.m., Rev. F. S. Haines officiating. Interment in St. James' cemetery, Goshen."

Speaking of old photography studios. I have a lot of old pictures and I thought I would list the names of the people that I have and if you are interested please contact me. Most of the people were from Orange County, probably Cornwall and the pictures are from the mid to late 19th century Anna Winlett Mrs. Wells Mrs. Hanford Barton Mr. Holmes Mr. J. Churry Peter Hazen The Lane Brothers Mrs. Townsend Eliza Hunter Mrs. Barton Mervin Scott Mrs. Chatfield Mrs. Townsend Cox Pearl Hill Thomas A. S. Moir Margaret May Dunlop Several Emslie Family Members Jameson Clark Walter Clark William Clark Alfred Bruce Frank Bruce John Hancon T Mrrett (appears to say) Canal St. NY Maybe someone will find this useful, Seana Coughlin

Thanks to Kim for the good directions she gave us all for our next trip to Goshen. Does anyone know if land records are kept in the same building as the wills? Thanks for your help. Bev in AZ

For those of you who are not able to travel to Goshen, here is information on how to obtain photocopies. You absolutely MUST know what Liber and page(s) to request. Therefore, I suggest that you first contact me for a lookup from: "Early Orange County Wills" (V1 1731-1788, V II June 27, 1787 to Dec 31, 1830) , Orange County Genealogical Society, 101 Main St, Goshen, NY, 1997. Before I am bombarded with requests, please make special note that the book has wills from 1731 through 1830 ONLY. To obtain a photocopy of the Will(s) from Volume 2 only, write to the Orange County Surrogate's Court, P O BOX 329, Goshen NY 10924. The fee for copies is $.50 per page. Be sure to specify the name on the Will, as well as the Liber and page(s) you are requesting. They MUST receive a check for the EXACT amount and you MUST include a stamped self-addressed envelope. From my own experiences, I have found that Wills are often more than one page. Therefore, you might want to request the KNOWN page and the next one too. At $.50 each, you can hardly go wrong and it will save you time and money in the long-run! Best wishes to you as you research your ancestors. Jeannie-ology : )

Here is what I found for FORGERSON Year Grantee Grantor Book Page 1795 John Forgerson John Wood F 424 1795 Hannah John Wood F 424 1802 Richard John Forgerson H 435 1802 John & Hannah Richard Forgerson H 482 1803 Aaron Benjamin Halsey I 210 1807 Aaron John Forgerson J 438 1807 Aaron Israel Lee J 440 1810 Thomas Jr. Inman Walling M 408 1810 John Hugh McConnall N 99 1817 James Aaron Forgerson S 169 1820 Samuel Peter Witaker U 359 1821 John Jacob Cole V 181 1825 James Wm. Thompson Z 63 1825 Samuel & Isaac Joseph Smith AA 145 1826 Gardner Frederic Belts(?) CC 457 1827 Gardner Wm. Thompson FF 270 1833 Sally Frances Crawford 47 185 1834 John John Wilkin 49 147 1834 Sally Benj. Carpenter 51 39 1836 Lawrence Julianna Forgerson 56 64 1836 Lawrence Gardner Forgerson 56 65 1837 Julianna Moses Webb 59 411 1838 James Gabriel Sayre 62 305 1839 Lawrence Fanny Green 64 276 1840 John Isaac Cook 67 549 1842 James Thomas Shaw 74 345 1842 John John Myers 75 427 1843 Calvin James June 77 125 1843 Gardner Samuel&John Ackerman 77 336-339 1844 Gardner Temperance Slawson(?) 82 83 1844 Herman Thomas Denton 82 165 1847 Ester Jane Julianna Forgerson 93 329 1848 Gardner Gilbert Chandler 94 383 1848 Lawrence John Dubois 95 226 1848 Lawrence Sarah Hulse 96 146 1848 John Jr. John Wilkin 96 150 1848 John Jr. Elmer Harlow 96 153 1848 Gardner Oren Hall 97 189 1849 Gardner Thomas King 102 57 1849 Gardner James VanFleet 102 165 1851 Lawrence Charles Hoffman 108 351 1851 John Jr. Abraham Vail Jr. 109 177 1853 John Jr. Abraham Vail 125 7 1854 Gardner Gilbert Mendon 128 170 1854 Gardner Samuel Fowler 129 164 1856 John H. Roe 142 361 1856 John ? Clark 142 363 1858 Lawrence WM. Johnson 147 642 1859 John Jr. John Forgerson 154 248 1859 John Jr. Abraham Vail 154 250 1859 Freeman & Amanda Alex Eaton 155 252 1860 Samuel Stephen Smith 161 33 1864 John Jr. Wm. Mackinson 179 599 1864 John Harvey McMonagle 180 8 1866 John Joseph Gott 189 246 1867 John Abram Vail 205 231 1867 John Charles Mead 206 484 1868 John Alfred Mills 206 594 Hope this helps someone

Paul emailed me asking me for info about Goshen and this is what I sent him. He thought it might be list-worthy. I also wanted to make sure I gave him the correct info. Does anyone have anything to add or correct? Thanks. <<The wills are located in Surrogate's Court which is across from the First Pres. Church. If you get off 17 exit for Goshen and follow signs to Goshen, you'll be on Main street (it looks like you're coming in through the back side of town but it quickly turns quaint). There is a 5 way intersection after about a 1/2 mile or so. The First Pres. Chruch should be on the right. Take a 90° right and then the next left onto Park Place. Surrogate's Court is the first building on the right. When you walk in the front door, there is a policeman on duty and directly across from him, on your right, is the kiosk with the index ledgers. They are by year and then alphabetical. Write down any numbers for the will you want and then follow the counter to the left and end. There is a little station there with current indexes and a basket with forms and pencils. You fill out the slips and then give them to the clerk behind the desk. She'll bring the actual volume or will out and then you can look at them, have them copied, etc. They were very nice in the office and helped me out a lot. BTW, on the other side of the church is the OCGS building, the yellow one with big white columns. If you were to walk down a block or two, on the same side of the street (not the direction you drove in but, the other way), you will come to the library. They also have a local history room (open business hours) and microfilm of local papers. In front of the church, kind of to the right and across the street, is the Courthouse annex. >>

I personally would prefer leaving the list the way it is. I especially like the Roll Call. I just have to look at the names to know whether to delete the message or not. I also belong to several lists and I find it much easier to track just by knowing what county and state the response/query originated. Anna

Wantage Recorder, Friday, May 24, 1912: "Mr. and Mrs. Hosea J. HARDEN and family, of Quarryville, were going through Chester, N. Y., with their auto on Sunday when they met a New York party in an auto near the fountain in the village, it is at a street corner and neither of them saw the other until they appeared by the fountain. Before the autos could be stopped they collided nearly head to head. The New York man's machine was the heaviest and Mr. HARDEN's sustained the damage of a broken wheel and a number of bent rods. Luckily the speed had been cut down so that no one was hurt. A garage received Mr. HARDEN's machine for repairs and he and his family were taken to Middletown by the other party when they took the evening train for Quarryville." Mona Bross Hylton, Indiana

I have a photo taken at a photo studio on Water St. in Newburgh as well. This is by Decker Portraits at 91 Water St. I know this picture was taken around 1878. Maybe looking at the Newburgh City directories would help narrow down the date of the pictures by determining the years the studio was in business? Sue __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com

My ancestor,Daniel AUGUR, was born in Goshen, Orange County 31 May 1790. His father was James AUGUR and his mother's first name was Anna.