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    1. [NYORANGE] Re: NYORANGE-D Digest V00 #188
    2. Gail Yeaple
    3. Hello everyone, Just catching up on e-mail, compounded by receiving your messages in Digest mode...sorry to offer these few books that that have Orange County info or include info on the area, as well as surrounding counties and areas of NY. -The Concise History of Orange County, by Rev A.E. Corning, excerpted from Southeastern New York, Hope Farm Press, (reprint of a section of a book originally published by Lewis Historical Publishing Co, 1946), with a new Index by Richard Frisbie, 1993. -The Yaple Family in America, Doris Yaple Geist and Roland Yaple Sr., Anundsen Press, 1990. Starting in 1753 with the arrival in Philadelphia aboard the Edinburgh, this book has 552 pages including a 16 page name index which runs through PA, OH, Delaware, Tompkins, Ulster, and Orange Counties of NY and some to southern states of TN and KY -Indian Tribes of Hudson's River to 1700, by E. M. Ruttenber, reprinted from a book originally written in 1872, reprinted by Hope Farm Press., 1992. -Long Hammering, Essays on the Forging of an African American Presence in the Hudson River Valley to the Early Twentieth Century, A. J. Williams-Myers, Africa World Press, Inc., 1994. While not about Orange County, this book contains information about African American historical sites in the Hudson Valley, including OC. -American Indian Myths and Legends, Selected and Edited by Richard Erdoes and Alfonso Ortiz, Pantheon Books, NY, 1984. Approximately 160 stories and legends divided into 10 chapters and identified by each tribal affiliation. Six of these are Algonquin or Iroquois, and one Seneca, in origin. There is also a alphabetical index of tales. -The League of the Iroquois (Ho-De'-No-Sau-Nee), Lewis Henry Morgan, 1995, J.G. Press -Misc other books and booklets that might have some additional info. I've also collected a few books with some Ulster County, NY info. Good wishes, Gail Yeaple NYORANGE-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Subject: > > NYORANGE-D Digest Volume 00 : Issue 188 > > Today's Topics: > #1 Re: [NYORANGE] OCGS BOOKS [BERLINERBEAR@webtv.net (Karin Brow] > #2 RE: [NYORANGE] OCGS BOOKS ["Joanne" <sound1@fcc.net>] > #3 [NYORANGE] Sharing book info ["Vincent D'Alessio" <vfdalessio@de] > #4 Re: [NYORANGE] OCGS BOOKS ["Linda Bifulco" <lbifulco@mindspri] > #5 [NYORANGE] Books [Sjhcamp@aol.com] > > Administrivia: > To unsubscribe from NYORANGE-D, send a message to > > NYORANGE-D-request@rootsweb.com > > that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software > requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: [NYORANGE] OCGS BOOKS > Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 12:45:28 -0400 (EDT) > From: BERLINERBEAR@webtv.net (Karin Brown) > To: NYORANGE-L@rootsweb.com > > Hello fellow researchers, > wouldn't it be nice if we could all afford to buy every book available > or of interest to us. Not possible! A solution would be for many to > buy 1 or 2 , list our holdings and exchange the info. Not fair if only > 2 or 3 persons would have to do the look-ups, but if many would > participate it could be done. Let's hear what you think about that. > It has been done on other lists. > > I'll start out, I have: > Stevenot's "Families of the Ramopo" & > "Descendents of Baileytown" > > WHO IS NEXT? > > Karin Searching for BAILEY GARRISON LAMOREAUX FLORANCE > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: RE: [NYORANGE] OCGS BOOKS > Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 18:17:33 -0400 > From: "Joanne" <sound1@fcc.net> > To: NYORANGE-L@rootsweb.com > > Hello > I have > 1) Portrait and Biograph record of Orange County NY published 1895 > 2) History of Orange County by W. Eager published 1846 > 3)Sussex and Warren County by Snell published 1881 > 4) Sussex County New Jersey Marriages by Case book A (1795-1853) & B > (1834-1878) > > yours in genealogy > Joanne > > -----Original Message----- > From: Karin Brown [mailto:BERLINERBEAR@webtv.net] > Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2000 12:45 PM > To: NYORANGE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [NYORANGE] OCGS BOOKS > > Hello fellow researchers, > wouldn't it be nice if we could all afford to buy every book available > or of interest to us. Not possible! A solution would be for many to > buy 1 or 2 , list our holdings and exchange the info. Not fair if only > 2 or 3 persons would have to do the look-ups, but if many would > participate it could be done. Let's hear what you think about that. > It has been done on other lists. > > I'll start out, I have: > Stevenot's "Families of the Ramopo" & > "Descendents of Baileytown" > > WHO IS NEXT? > > Karin Searching for BAILEY GARRISON LAMOREAUX FLORANCE > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: [NYORANGE] Sharing book info > Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 19:33:38 -0400 > From: "Vincent D'Alessio" <vfdalessio@dellnet.com> > To: NYORANGE-L@rootsweb.com > > Hi, All > > Sorry I do not have any books related to Orange Co., NY. But, would be forever indebted to anyone who would share ANY info re: the Fallons, who are known to have been in Walden in 1830 and probably for a time before and after that. Specifically looking for John, Zelah and David Fallon, but, as I do not know about any possible family members am interested in any Fallons in that area. Many Thanks to anyone who can help. > > Fran D. at vfdalessio@dellnet.com > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: [NYORANGE] OCGS BOOKS > Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 20:39:25 -0500 > From: "Linda Bifulco" <lbifulco@mindspring.com> > To: NYORANGE-L@rootsweb.com > > Hello..... > > This is a great idea. I only just started researching Orange County, > so the best I can come up with right now is: > > Bergen County New Jersey Deed Records 1689-1801. > > Linda > Researching DeGraw, Mathews, Storms and Munson > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Karin Brown [mailto:BERLINERBEAR@webtv.net] > > Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2000 12:45 PM > > To: NYORANGE-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [NYORANGE] OCGS BOOKS > > > > > > Hello fellow researchers, > > wouldn't it be nice if we could all afford to buy every book available > > or of interest to us. Not possible! A solution would be for many to > > buy 1 or 2 , list our holdings and exchange the info. Not fair if only > > 2 or 3 persons would have to do the look-ups, but if many would > > participate it could be done. Let's hear what you think about that. > > It has been done on other lists. > > > > I'll start out, I have: > > Stevenot's "Families of the Ramopo" & > > "Descendents of Baileytown" > > > > WHO IS NEXT? > > > > Karin Searching for BAILEY GARRISON LAMOREAUX FLORANCE > > > > > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: [NYORANGE] Books > Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2000 02:23:29 EDT > From: Sjhcamp@aol.com > To: NYORANGE-L@rootsweb.com > > I only own one book that relates to Orange County: > > Families of the Ramapos > Becraft, Call, Charleston, Hogencamp, Pitt, Starr and related > families > Supplement: Baileytown Descendants > By Marjorie Smeltzer-Stevenot > > I wonder if the person who maintains the Orange County Website might want to > put a list of all the people and the books they own on the webpage. > > Susan >

    08/27/2000 08:40:42
    1. [NYORANGE] Most Wanted
    2. Barbra T. Grim
    3. Thank you one and all. I have it safely (hopefully) book marked. Your are all so very kind. Thank you for your prompt answers. Barbara Baxter's in Otisville, Orange Co., NY

    08/27/2000 06:04:02
    1. [NYORANGE] Lookup Please
    2. Hello List, Was wondering if someone could look and see if there is an aobit for Samuel CASKEY who d. in the fall of 1833. Most likely DeerPark Twp., Port Jervis. I would realy appreciate anyone's help. I do have a feeling that there may not be one. In that case is there someone who can look up a will it would be in Book I, pg 550. I just need to have any info pertaining to the children that is listed in it. His wife was Sarah Decker, d/o Martinus Decker. I do hope I am not asking for too much. I had noticed all the people willing to do look ups for other's. I think it is very generous of all of you to take your own personal time to help other's. Although I do not own any books I do have access to 1855 State census for Orange Co., NY and Index to early Will's 1731-1830 and another film of probated records 1787-1916. A index to Sussex Co., NJ wills (Early) I have never offered to do look ups yet so I hope this is ok to do??? I only have access on Tuesday's & Saturday's. I would be happy to help someone out. Thank you kindly, Donna Caskey -- caskeytrails@myfamily.com - email ________________________________________________________________________ Get your own free email, set up a MyFamily site at http://www.MyFamily.com

    08/27/2000 05:40:19
    1. [NYORANGE] German Smith's
    2. Hi all! I'm on a new tip of information regarding my Smith's. I am now told that they were from Germany, and that the original Smith from Germany, was an Arthur W. Smith, a professor of Language, who spoke seven languages. This would have been prior to 1760, as this is when my last information on my Smith line stops in Rockland Co. Anyone have any ideas?

    08/26/2000 12:46:46
    1. [NYORANGE] URL needed
    2. Barbra T. Grim
    3. Does anyone here know the URL for the MOst Wanted Web Site?

    08/26/2000 12:41:32
    1. [NYORANGE] Lookup Barrett
    2. Would appreciate lookup in early Orange County histories/vital records, etc: JAMES BARRETT resident of old Orange (now Rockland) County 1781-abt 1785; village of Tappan; two sons JAMES BARRETT, JR. & PHILIP BARRETT baptized at the Tappan Low Dutch Christian Reform Church 1781 & 1782. Paticularly interested in where they lived; any background. thanks gary schmermund Bradenton, FL

    08/26/2000 11:44:51
    1. [NYORANGE] Wood - Belknap
    2. Sandy.....I don't have parents for Abigail WOOD but can tell you she is buried in Montgomery, NY at Goodwill Cem. David buried there also. They had dau Olive BELKNAP 11 Nov 1800 - 22 Aug 1860 m. Renssalear HOWELL. Maybe that avenue will find some new data. David BELKNAP was s/o David BELKNAP and Sarah CASE. I have Sarah's line back to Henry CASE m. Martha CORWIN. ..................EdeeW99 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ In a message dated 8/25/00 5:01:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, NYORANGE-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: << I'm trying to help an 81-year old lady from Ohio, who requested my assistance finding an ancestor. I have access to OCGS, but thought I'd query those of you who have other personally-owned resources, which the research room may not have. She is looking for parents, etc., of Abigail Wood b. 1776; d. 18 Sep 1839. She was from "one of the small towns around Newburgh", was what she wrote. (I've written her a letter, asking for further detail, if possible.) She married David Belknap b. 5 Jan 1777; d. 5 Feb 1853. Anything at all about Abigail would be appreciated. This lady is not on the internet. >>

    08/25/2000 01:27:01
    1. [NYORANGE] New Windsor
    2. I have the History of the Town of New Windsor by Ruttenber, and I would be glad to do look ups. Regards, Pegeen

    08/25/2000 01:09:06
    1. [NYORANGE] Query: Abigail Wood
    2. Sandy Marsh
    3. I'm trying to help an 81-year old lady from Ohio, who requested my assistance finding an ancestor. I have access to OCGS, but thought I'd query those of you who have other personally-owned resources, which the research room may not have. She is looking for parents, etc., of Abigail Wood b. 1776; d. 18 Sep 1839. She was from "one of the small towns around Newburgh", was what she wrote. (I've written her a letter, asking for further detail, if possible.) She married David Belknap b. 5 Jan 1777; d. 5 Feb 1853. Anything at all about Abigail would be appreciated. This lady is not on the internet. Thanks Sandy

    08/25/2000 09:41:41
    1. [NYORANGE] NY Orange Lookup
    2. I have the 1922, 1929, 1937 City Directories for Newburgh, Beacon, New Windsor, Marlboro, Cornwall, Fishkill, Glenan. I am willing to look up information in these directories for any one who needs it. Lynne

    08/24/2000 04:15:19
    1. [NYORANGE] Orange County Books
    2. Robin Whelton
    3. I have a copy of the 1935 Newburgh Beacon Directory, Including New Windsor, Marlboro, Cornwall, Fishkill, Glenham. Robin Whelton BERLINERBEAR@webtv.net (Karin Brown) wrote: >Hello fellow researchers, >wouldn't it be nice if we could all afford to buy every book available >or of interest to us. Not possible! A solution would be for many to >buy 1 or 2 , list our holdings and exchange the info. Not fair if only >2 or 3 persons would have to do the look-ups, but if many would >participate it could be done. Let's hear what you think about that. >It has been done on other lists. > >I'll start out, I have: >Stevenot's "Families of the Ramopo" & >"Descendents of Baileytown" > >WHO IS NEXT? > >Karin Searching for BAILEY GARRISON LAMOREAUX FLORANCE Robin's Nest in the Family Tree: http://www.robinsnest.f2s.com/ Researching: (mine) AHOLA, LEBLANC, NORTON/NAUGHTON, WHELTON (my husband's) ALEXANDER, BLEY, GRILZ, GRUBE, MARTENS, RIGLIONI, WYGANT Transcribing: A Cyclopedia of Boston and Vicinity (1886)

    08/24/2000 12:32:45
    1. [NYORANGE] Sharing Book Info
    2. Bobbi Needham
    3. Hello all, I have the following Orange County books and will do lookups as time permits. "Cemeteries of the Town of Minisink", "Cemeteries of Chester, New York", "Early Orange County Wills, vol. 1 & 2", "The Whig Press Death Notices 1851-1865" "Early Records of the First Presbyterian Church at Goshen, New York 1767 to 1885" "Chester Presbyterian Church 1799-1965" Please email me privately to request a lookup, as I don't read every post to the list, and may miss your request if you post it to the list. Bobbi Needham Not4gotten@ga.prestige.net Researching: GRAY, CORNELIUS, VAN HORN, BARTHOLF

    08/23/2000 04:08:58
    1. [NYORANGE] sharing genealogical information
    2. I say "Amen" to Joanne's statement! Mona in Indiana

    08/23/2000 02:44:46
    1. Re: [NYORANGE] OCGS books look-up offer
    2. I thought these forums were for sharing our genealogy information and knowledge to help others in their searches. Puting conditions on requests is rather selfish. Why offer at all? Then to whine to the entire list when someone questions your "generosity" and say you are "taking your ball and going home" is childish. We all have better things to do with our time Suzy. And who are you to decide whether or not "they shouldn't be going back another generation"? Well exccccuuuusssse us. > Content-Type: text/plain > > NYORANGE-D Digest Volume 00 : Issue 191 > > Today's Topics: > #1 [NYORANGE] Sayre/Sayer [FAFJJ@aol.com] > #2 [NYORANGE] OCGS books look-up offe ["Sue Mickley" <smickley@ptd.net>] > #3 [NYORANGE] Look-ups ["Pat Hodgson" <phodgson@direct.ca>] > #4 A MILLION THANK YOUS ["Barbra T. Grim" <pbtg@visuallink.] > #5 [NYORANGE] NY(Orange) Look-up [Carole Kelly <calley2@altavista.co] > > Administrivia: > To unsubscribe from NYORANGE-D, send a message to > > NYORANGE-D-request@rootsweb.com > > that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software > requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > ______________________________> X-Message: #1 > Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 09:41:03 EDT > From: FAFJJ@aol.com > To: NYORANGE-L@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <6e.25ff60f.26d3dcef@aol.com> > Subject: [NYORANGE] Sayre/Sayer > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Looking for two sons of Joseph L. Sayre. Henry D. Sayre & John James Rushton > Sayre. Joseph L Sayre was a Deacon in 1st Presp Church in Goshen and died in > 1854. I was wondering if anybody had Church or Cemetery records to look to > see if John who supposedly died in 1882 & Henry after 1924 were possibly > buried there. > Thanks, > Frank > ______________________________> X-Message: #2 > Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 16:03:20 -0400 > From: "Sue Mickley" <smickley@ptd.net> > To: NYORANGE-L@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <003601bfff18$3a027200$9fb1bacc@home-desktop> > Subject: [NYORANGE] OCGS books look-up offer > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Due to the following communication from Edee (Edeew99@aol.com), I am > recinding my offer to do look-ups in my Orange County Genealogy books. I > think the communication speaks for itself. > So sorry, > Sue > > My statement in my original offer: > << I have the following, however, please make sure any queries have detailed > information (dates, full names, etc.). In order to be in compliance with > copyright laws, I will give brief descriptions of info. and/or confirm the > information is in the book or document: >> > > Edee's (Edeew99@aol.com) response to my statement: > You have to be kidding! The idea is - MOST SEARCHERS DON'T HAVE > THAT DATA - THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE LOOKING FOR!! > ..................Edee > > My response to Edee: > << My offer does not call for a rude response as I have been spending the last > 5 hours > responding in detail to the queries I have gotten. Personally I have better > things to do with my time but I feel strongly, "what goes around comes > around". >> > > Edee's response(Edeew99@aol.com): > Oh, get off your high horse. I've been doing genealogy for 19 yrs > and I have over 62,000 surnames in databases and I don't hesitate > to pass on ANY data I have, regardless of where it comes from or > who authored it. > > Another part of my original response to Edee: > <<Most researchers do have that data for the most recent > generation or they shouldn't be going back another generation. > > Edee's response (Edeew99@aol.com): > Thats the most ridiculous statement I've ever heard! > ______________________________> X-Message: #3 > Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 14:58:03 -0700 > From: "Pat Hodgson" <phodgson@direct.ca> > To: NYORANGE-L@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <01c00c84$0bf38920$LocalHost@pathodgs> > Subject: [NYORANGE] Look-ups > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi Sue > > I'm sorry you have decided to withdraw your offer, not that I blame you. Nobody > needs to be insulted when they offer a kindness, but if you really want to see > insults you should read the messages on YORKSGEN. They got so bad the listowner > suspended the list for 24 hours.Please reconsider your descision and continue to > offer help. BTW I think it's OK to quote a copyrited source as long as it isn't > more than 10% of the whole. I've seen that mentioned on the English lists I > subscribe to - possibly the same applies to the U.S. > > Pat > ______________________________> X-Message: #4 > Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 18:17:07 -0100 > From: "Barbra T. Grim" <pbtg@visuallink.com> > To: "NYORANGE-D-request@rootsweb.com" <NYORANGE-D@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <39A2D1B2.7DFD1073@visuallink.com> > Subject: A MILLION THANK YOUS > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Thank you to each and every one of you who answered my post about where > to find Otisville in the1850's. Really and truly a million thanks > aren't enough. I have found my Great,Great Grandparents with their > children in the 1850 Mount Hope Census. I have been looking for them > for ten years. I found Philip Baxter, his wife Phoebe and 6 children > including my great grandfather. Now I have a starting point for this > family. I am so excited I could just about pop and DH is only very > slightly impressed. Thank you all again. > Barbara Grim > ______________________________> X-Message: #5 > Date: 22 Aug 2000 17:27:43 -0700 > From: Carole Kelly <calley2@altavista.com> > To: NYORANGE-L@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <20000823002743.3400.cpmta@c012.sfo.cp.net> > Subject: [NYORANGE] NY(Orange) Look-up > Content-Type: text/plain > Content-Disposition: inline > > Any information on the following would be appreciated. > Job Babcock,father, son Samuel Babcock married Rachel? They had the following > children > Mary,Elizabeth,Keziah,Sarah and Benjamin. At the time I think they lived around > Warwick or Goshen area. > > Mary Babcock married David Kelly 1784 in Warwick, Orange County, NY. > > Samuel Babcock was a UEL and died sometime before 1790. > > Thanks > Carole Kelly > > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > > Free Unlimited Internet Access! Try it now! > http://www.zdnet.com/downloads/altavista/index.html > > _______________________________________________________________________ > > > > Change message text width in Settings. > > > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > > Free Unlimited Internet Access! Try it now! > http://www.zdnet.com/downloads/altavista/index.html > > _______________________________________________________________________

    08/23/2000 11:29:51
    1. [NYORANGE] growing up is hard to do.
    2. Joanne
    3. Hello List, I would like everyone to please take a minute and reflect on what a wonderful day today is, we are all alive reading this ( not like the people we are researching) Many families lost over half their children before they where 7 years old. some lost children one right after another. Let's stop this nick picking and get back to sharing. I personally think we are miss reading the meaning of the postings. Love Genealogy!! Joanne

    08/23/2000 07:49:17
    1. [NYORANGE] A MILLION THANK YOUS
    2. Barbra T. Grim
    3. Thank you to each and every one of you who answered my post about where to find Otisville in the1850's. Really and truly a million thanks aren't enough. I have found my Great,Great Grandparents with their children in the 1850 Mount Hope Census. I have been looking for them for ten years. I found Philip Baxter, his wife Phoebe and 6 children including my great grandfather. Now I have a starting point for this family. I am so excited I could just about pop and DH is only very slightly impressed. Thank you all again. Barbara Grim

    08/22/2000 12:17:07
    1. [NYORANGE] NY(Orange) Look-up
    2. Carole Kelly
    3. Any information on the following would be appreciated. Job Babcock,father, son Samuel Babcock married Rachel? They had the following children Mary,Elizabeth,Keziah,Sarah and Benjamin. At the time I think they lived around Warwick or Goshen area. Mary Babcock married David Kelly 1784 in Warwick, Orange County, NY. Samuel Babcock was a UEL and died sometime before 1790. Thanks Carole Kelly _______________________________________________________________________ Free Unlimited Internet Access! Try it now! http://www.zdnet.com/downloads/altavista/index.html _______________________________________________________________________ Change message text width in Settings. _______________________________________________________________________ Free Unlimited Internet Access! Try it now! http://www.zdnet.com/downloads/altavista/index.html _______________________________________________________________________

    08/22/2000 11:27:43
    1. [NYORANGE] Look-ups
    2. Pat Hodgson
    3. Hi Sue I'm sorry you have decided to withdraw your offer, not that I blame you. Nobody needs to be insulted when they offer a kindness, but if you really want to see insults you should read the messages on YORKSGEN. They got so bad the listowner suspended the list for 24 hours.Please reconsider your descision and continue to offer help. BTW I think it's OK to quote a copyrited source as long as it isn't more than 10% of the whole. I've seen that mentioned on the English lists I subscribe to - possibly the same applies to the U.S. Pat

    08/22/2000 08:58:03
    1. [NYORANGE] Sayre/Sayer
    2. Looking for two sons of Joseph L. Sayre. Henry D. Sayre & John James Rushton Sayre. Joseph L Sayre was a Deacon in 1st Presp Church in Goshen and died in 1854. I was wondering if anybody had Church or Cemetery records to look to see if John who supposedly died in 1882 & Henry after 1924 were possibly buried there. Thanks, Frank

    08/22/2000 03:41:03
    1. Re: [NYORANGE] 1775 Pledge
    2. IThe Precinct of Hanover (now town of Montgomery) list for 1775 Pledge was can be found: Signers of the Pledge of Association Hanover Precinct Ulster Co NY (Montgomery, NY) May 8, 1775.-from publication of The Historical Society of Newburgh Bay and the Highland. Volume 20 p.33. See also Orange County Genealogical Socity publication. Vol 25 #1 (1995). [Articles of Association] The original (or is it a copy ?) supposedly is in the Washington Headquarters Museum -I have not seen it. Sylvester's History of Ulster Co include Manakating (now Sullivan Co) but none of the towns that are now Orange that I can see. Ralph Weller

    08/21/2000 11:20:09