Seeking info on Harry Smith born abt 1895 in Kingston, Ulster Co., NY d)Toledo, Ohio......Son of Julius Smith b)NY d)South Bend, Indiana and Mary O'Reilly b)? d)?....The Smith's may have been Polish..The O'Reillys were Irish.....The families attended an unknown Catholic Church in Newburgh, Orange Co....Any info on these families is appreciated... --------------------------------- Don't be flakey. Get Yahoo! Mail for Mobile and always stay connected to friends.

Pat, you might not have seen my apology to the list concerning Lillian. In fact I got it wrong, her name was Louella so "Loula" would be right. Mike > Mike, I could not find your Lillian in 1920 census. In 1910 census she is > listed as Loula Greatorex. In 1920 I have found Grant Baxter with wife Annie > still living in same place as 1910. Will keep looking for Lillian and see > if she shows up anywhere in 1920. > > Pat, NY > <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers free > email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at > http://www.aol.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.7/710 - Release Date: 04/03/2007 13:58 > >

Westchester County Genealogical Society (NY) Upcoming Meeting Hope you can make it to the Westchester County Genealogical Society (WCGS) Upcoming Meeting! It will be this coming Saturday at the Aldersgate Memorial United Methodist Church. The Westchester County Genealogical Society is please to present “Ireland’s Forgotten Heroes: A Look at Ireland’s World War I Soldiers” a talk by Tom Phelan at their meeting on Saturday, March 10, 2007 at 10am. Tom Phelan will discuss the many reasons why a quarter of a million Irish men fought in the Great War, and he will explore why Ireland's World War I veterans do not occupy an honored place in the pantheon of Irish heroes. Tom Phelan is the author of the acclaimed World War I novel “The Canal Bridge” as well as “In the Season of the Daisies”, “Iscariot”, and “Derrycloney”. He has also written for Newsday and for the journal of the American Irish Historical Society. Born and raised in Ireland, Tom now makes his home in Long Island. The meeting will be held at the Aldersgate Methodist Church, 600 Broadway in Dobbs Ferry (across from Mercy College on route 9). Guests are welcome. There will be refreshments and genealogical networking starting at 9:30am. The meeting will be held at: When: Saturday, March 10, 2007 @ 10 a.m. Where: Aldersgate Memorial United Methodist Church, 600 Broadway (route 9), Dobbs Ferry, NY, USA – plenty of free parking Hope you can come on Saturday! For information about Westchester County Genealogical Society (Westchester Connection or Surname List), visit WCGS home page -- _http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywcgs/_ (http://www.rootsweb.com/~nywcgs/) RESERVED THESE DATES FOR WCGS Future Meetings Apr 14, 2007 Preserving Your Family’s Memories on DVD* at Grinton I. Will Library, 1500 Central Park Ave, Yonkers, NY Risa Neuwirth - LifeStory Productions May 12, 2007 Italian Immigration through the Ports of New York and New Orleans E.P. Vallone June 9, 2007 Incorporating Memoirs into Fiction Edith Glass <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

All, my apologies to all but I gave some wrong information in my last email. John Greatorex was not married to a Lillian Baxter. Her correct name was LOUELLA BAXTER. I must have been away with the fairies as we say here when I drafted that email. Obviously the concern about my father caused me not to think straight. My apologies to all of you who went "hunting" for me. Regards Mike Greatorex ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marge Clark" <[email protected]> To: "NYORANGE-LIST Post" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 10:04 AM Subject: [NYORANGE] Orphan Census Cites by State & Year: Orphanages > This is the same site but give you a list of all the states to choose from. > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~orphanshome/orphansoffice/notepad/notepadtoc.htm > > Marge > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.6/709 - Release Date: 03/03/2007 08:12 > >

Is there anyone on the list who has a connection to Isaac Brown or Isaac Brown Jr. living in Newburgh in the 1770s ? Or perhaps the Josiah Brown also of Newburgh around that time. Thanks, Mark Brown

Mike, I could not find your Lillian in 1920 census. In 1910 census she is listed as Loula Greatorex. In 1920 I have found Grant Baxter with wife Annie still living in same place as 1910. Will keep looking for Lillian and see if she shows up anywhere in 1920. Pat, NY <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

All, first of all let me apologise for not getting back to everyone who answered my query concerning the above subject. My father has been ill over the past few days so my mind has been elsewhere as you can appreciate. I have had so many replies from people that I thought I would address you all. First of all I am handicapped by not knowing either the names of the surviving children of this 1909 marriage and also not knowing their gender. However I am helped in that they have the name GREATOREX which is still fairly unusual. Background: John Greatorex and Lillian Baxter were married in 1909. They can be found in the 1910 census resident with Lillians family in Marlboro City, Ulster Co. Head of family was Grant Baxter along with wife Charlotte Ann. As far as I know their is no mention of any children at this stage. I know that John and Lillian had a son called Carl but he died in July 1918 and is buried in Marlboro City. I have even visitied it in 2004. Anyway, in Jan 1919 John Greatorex died in Newburgh of TB. I have been given a brief obituary which appeared in the local newspaper and says that he is survived by his wife and 2 children. Thats all I have UNTIL in 1942 another newspaper clipping reports on the funeral of Lillian Lewis (nee Baxter and Greatorex) and when listing the floral tributes notes a "flat bouquet to Mom from Billie". Thats the total knowledge I have about any children of John and Lillian. Lillian married a Clarence Lewis and appears as his wife in the 1930 Census. I have another mystery about Lillian but will save that for a later time. If anybody can come up with any clues or suggestions on this I would be most gratefull. Regards Mike Greatorex Harrogate, England. Looking for Greatorex's in North Notts, Sheffield, Orange Co, NY, USA and Alabama. http://www.freewebs.com/greatorexfamily/

This is the same site but give you a list of all the states to choose from. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~orphanshome/orphansoffice/notepad/notepadtoc.htm Marge

This is the site for transcribed lists for New York State Orphanages. It is a work in progress. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~orphanshome/orphansoffice/notepad/nycites.htm Hope this helps someone. Marge

There is one list I am aware of from 1900 on line for the Children's Home at 18 High Street, Newburgh. I'll find the address and post it. Other than that I'm going through census, page by page. If I find anything that looks like it would be promising for someone I'll post the info. Marge ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pamela Ward" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 5:13 PM Subject: Re: [NYORANGE] Children's Homes 1880 > Area there any searchable records? > > Pam > >

Area there any searchable records? Pam >From: "ROBIN GALAGE" <[email protected]> >Reply-To: [email protected], [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [NYORANGE] Children's Homes 1880 >Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 11:09:27 -0500 > >There was the City and Town Home in Newburgh off of Lake St. I know poor >people and orphans were living there. > >Robin > > >From: "Mike Greatorex" <[email protected]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [NYORANGE] Children's Homes 1880 >Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 22:21:29 -0000 > >This mention of childrens homes has set me thinking, always dangerous of >course. > >I have "missing children" dating from a marriage of 1909 who disappear >after >1919 >and with talk of childrens homes I wonder if they could have been taken in >at one of these homes. > >My family were living in Highland Falls when they broke up so apart from >the >High Street Home in Newburgh are their any other institutions in the area >which might have taken them.As far as I can tell the family were Protestant >and not Roman Catholic which might be a factor. > >If they are in these institutions then perhaps I might find them in the >1920 >Census, when I get access to one. Thats a visit to the LDS FH center. >So if anybody can give me any ideas/locations I would appreciate it. > >Regards > >Mike Greatorex >Harrogate, England. >Looking for Greatorex's in North Notts, Sheffield, Orange Co, NY, USA and >Alabama. >http://www.freewebs.com/greatorexfamily/ > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes >in the subject and the body of the message > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I too have family who died of this flu, my grandmother, my Aunts husband, she was left with twins, and two other children, she kept the baby, her husbands sister raised the boy , a twin died, the other was adopted. and when you mention soldiers over seas, my husbands Uncle died in France, Oct 1918.he is buried there in the Meuse-Argonne American Cemetery, we do not know if he was a casualty of the war, or got the flu. The above except for the soldier, all lived in Cornwall, Orange Co. New York. <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

There was the City and Town Home in Newburgh off of Lake St. I know poor people and orphans were living there. Robin From: "Mike Greatorex" <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [NYORANGE] Children's Homes 1880 Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 22:21:29 -0000 This mention of childrens homes has set me thinking, always dangerous of course. I have "missing children" dating from a marriage of 1909 who disappear after 1919 and with talk of childrens homes I wonder if they could have been taken in at one of these homes. My family were living in Highland Falls when they broke up so apart from the High Street Home in Newburgh are their any other institutions in the area which might have taken them.As far as I can tell the family were Protestant and not Roman Catholic which might be a factor. If they are in these institutions then perhaps I might find them in the 1920 Census, when I get access to one. Thats a visit to the LDS FH center. So if anybody can give me any ideas/locations I would appreciate it. Regards Mike Greatorex Harrogate, England. Looking for Greatorex's in North Notts, Sheffield, Orange Co, NY, USA and Alabama. http://www.freewebs.com/greatorexfamily/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My grandfather Annadown told me all his life that he lost his VIVIAN (his mother's brothers children) cousins in the great flu epidemic. In this case, it turned out that the families simply lost contact with each other in this time period and because of the wide-spread flu, he thought his cousins had died. Years later, I located them, very much alive and glad to know that THEIR cousin, Paul Annadown, had also NOT died in the great flu epidemic. Leila -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 9:08 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NYORANGE] Hint regarding mystery of Folks who disappeared in 1918 - 1919 I too have family who died of this flu, my grandmother, my Aunts husband, she was left with twins, and two other children, she kept the baby, her husbands sister raised the boy , a twin died, the other was adopted. and when you mention soldiers over seas, my husbands Uncle died in France, Oct 1918.he is buried there in the Meuse-Argonne American Cemetery, we do not know if he was a casualty of the war, or got the flu. The above except for the soldier, all lived in Cornwall, Orange Co. New York. <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I read with a great deal of interest your narrative on the flu epidemic of 1918. My grandmother talked about it throughout her whole life. As a child this epidemic was more immediate to me than Dec 7 1941. ( I was born in 1945) She was newly married in 1918 and had a baby born at the end of the year. She was so afraid that it would take her or her baby. Her husband left for France before the baby was born. His descriptions of the war were more about the flu epidemic killing "the boys who were dropping like flies" in England and in France. He said the number of men who were killed in battle were miniscule compared to those who were felled by the flu. He described the troop ships both going and coming as nothing but make-shift hospital wards to handle those with the flu. He got home just as his mother-in-law and his sister-in-law were taken by the flu. My grandmother's sister was in her early 20s which fits the profile you mention in your narrative. She left behind a young daughter. The father of this child never fully recovered emotionally from the loss of his wife and the loss of other family members. He was unable to raise the child and she was taken in turns by various family members and apparently had a sad childhood. At various times, she assumed the last name of the family who she was living with. My grandmother's mother (my great grandma) died when she was 57 years old and never got to see most of her grandchildren. All of this occurred in a very small town in Idaho, but my grandfather's description of the train ride from New York to Idaho is full of flu epidemic victims and the observation of mass burials along the way. Whenever I cannot find someone in the 1920 census but found them in 1910, my immediate thought is the flu and then I work to prove or disprove that assumption. My grandmother's family has multiple references to the flu in various memoirs and other narratives. Since I have started doing family history, I have found that my husband's family from Maine was equally touched by the flu. My husband's great uncle's wife died of the flu in Maine and left a baby. Her husband also couldn't raise the baby and she was raised by an aunt and took the last name of the aunt's husband. This information came from my husband's uncle who remembered vividly the everyday burials in his small town in Maine. There are 18 people in my data base who died of the fly in 1918 and 1919. They were in their 20's or over 50. I would recommend that you try to contact living descendants of some of the family members who did live through this time frame. I am sure that there is something in the family records--letters, diaries, recollections--that mentions the flu's impact on the family. If you had asked me as a child about this subject, I could have recited my grandmother's stories without referring to any notes. I would also recommend that you look for the child who might have assumed the last name of the family who took him/her in. I doubt there would have been any official adoption. Leslie ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 3:47 AM Subject: [NYORANGE] Hint regarding mystery of Folks who disappeared in 1918 - 1919 > Regarding your comment -"I have "missing children" dating from a marriage > of > 1909 who disappear after 1919...." > Were they known to be alive after 1919 or do they disappear by 1919? There > is a specific distinction here because I have found several instances here > in > the US, where most of all of a family disappears in late 1918 or early > 1919. > If alive late in 1919 or 1920 then the following is not relevant, but if > they > disappear in the early part of the year or in 1918 then it may be an idea > / > area to look into. > During that specific timeframe lots of folks died in the Spanish Flu > Epidemic and just drop off the face of the earth, and the official > "records" are > often sparse. Mass graves in some communities were the norm. In one case > I've > been able to confirm and the other is strong suspicion that the folks > involved > died in this Great Flu Epidemic of 1918/19. In the USA several hundred > thousand people died [to say nothing of the thousands of soldiers in the > European > theater or at American military bases.] At the height of the epidemic > burials > were not all recorded, nor did the deaths get official "sanction" or > death > records. People just wanted to get the bodies buried quickly and the > residences > and hospitals decontaminated. Most but not all children who did get this > flu > did survive but young to middle aged adults seemed to be the most likely > to > die, leaving many orphans or one parent half orphans. [The surviving > children > seem to often live with relatives but I'm sure all orphanages of the time > had an influx of patrons as well. ] This is the epidemic that was seldom > spoken > about in that generation's lifetime. Only since the 1990's have > historians > and scientists [with advent of Bird Flu] written about and discussed the > magnitude and impact of this calamity. While reported in the papers at > the time > and the cause of quarantines, evacuations and huge public health efforts, > once > the crisis passed the whole American society seems to have suffered a > massive amnesia about this epidemic event and seldom spoke of or referred > to it or > the folks who died as a result of it. > > Also young men who completed and survived their military enlistments did > not > always go home but stayed in more salubrious locations FL, CA, or > expatriates in Europe, etc. My grandfather had three female cousins [all > from PA] move > to CA after the war because their husbands liked what they saw while > there in > the military during the war. [I've never understood why guys from PA were > sent to CA bases when they were to go to Europe, but they did.] > > Hope the info is useful in your search. > > <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers free > email to everyone. 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Regarding your comment -"I have "missing children" dating from a marriage of 1909 who disappear after 1919...." Were they known to be alive after 1919 or do they disappear by 1919? There is a specific distinction here because I have found several instances here in the US, where most of all of a family disappears in late 1918 or early 1919. If alive late in 1919 or 1920 then the following is not relevant, but if they disappear in the early part of the year or in 1918 then it may be an idea / area to look into. During that specific timeframe lots of folks died in the Spanish Flu Epidemic and just drop off the face of the earth, and the official "records" are often sparse. Mass graves in some communities were the norm. In one case I've been able to confirm and the other is strong suspicion that the folks involved died in this Great Flu Epidemic of 1918/19. In the USA several hundred thousand people died [to say nothing of the thousands of soldiers in the European theater or at American military bases.] At the height of the epidemic burials were not all recorded, nor did the deaths get official "sanction" or death records. People just wanted to get the bodies buried quickly and the residences and hospitals decontaminated. Most but not all children who did get this flu did survive but young to middle aged adults seemed to be the most likely to die, leaving many orphans or one parent half orphans. [The surviving children seem to often live with relatives but I'm sure all orphanages of the time had an influx of patrons as well. ] This is the epidemic that was seldom spoken about in that generation's lifetime. Only since the 1990's have historians and scientists [with advent of Bird Flu] written about and discussed the magnitude and impact of this calamity. While reported in the papers at the time and the cause of quarantines, evacuations and huge public health efforts, once the crisis passed the whole American society seems to have suffered a massive amnesia about this epidemic event and seldom spoke of or referred to it or the folks who died as a result of it. Also young men who completed and survived their military enlistments did not always go home but stayed in more salubrious locations FL, CA, or expatriates in Europe, etc. My grandfather had three female cousins [all from PA] move to CA after the war because their husbands liked what they saw while there in the military during the war. [I've never understood why guys from PA were sent to CA bases when they were to go to Europe, but they did.] Hope the info is useful in your search. <BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com.

This mention of childrens homes has set me thinking, always dangerous of course. I have "missing children" dating from a marriage of 1909 who disappear after 1919 and with talk of childrens homes I wonder if they could have been taken in at one of these homes. My family were living in Highland Falls when they broke up so apart from the High Street Home in Newburgh are their any other institutions in the area which might have taken them.As far as I can tell the family were Protestant and not Roman Catholic which might be a factor. If they are in these institutions then perhaps I might find them in the 1920 Census, when I get access to one. Thats a visit to the LDS FH center. So if anybody can give me any ideas/locations I would appreciate it. Regards Mike Greatorex Harrogate, England. Looking for Greatorex's in North Notts, Sheffield, Orange Co, NY, USA and Alabama. http://www.freewebs.com/greatorexfamily/

I found him too. I suspect that he is the one I am looking for. His sister moved to San Francisco and lived there the rest of her life. The details in the census match up with him. I think I am going to try to contact the church they were married in to see if they have any information. I found the marriage license notice and the wedding notice in the newspapers so I have the date to give them. An unanswerable question - Why do relatives NOT want to talk about the ancestors? I am sharing with my children everything I have learned. I'm also leaving a lot of documentation for them. They have copies of everything that I have. People ! ! ! ! ! Marge ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leslie Vaughn" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [NYORANGE] Children's Homes 1880 >I don't have any answers to your questions, but I did find a 22 year old > August Blumberg in the 1900 census in San Francisco with wife Lena. He > was > born in New York. Don't know if this is your guy, but if it is it might > add > more to the mystery. > > Good luck > > Leslie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marge Clark" <[email protected]> > To: "NYORANGE-LIST Post" <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 9:37 AM > Subject: [NYORANGE] Children's Homes 1880 > > >> Does anyone know of any Children's Homes/Orphanages in Newburgh in 1880? >> >> I found a Children's Home in 1900 at 18 High Street but cannot find them >> in the 1880 census. >> >> I'm searching for an August Blumberg who was born between 1874 and 1880. >> His father deserted the family in 1880 and his mother died 6 months >> later. >> Newburgh city clerk has no record of his birth. The only mention I have >> of >> his existence is from a 1941 obituary saying that at that time he was >> living in Alberta Canada. I've written letters to all the Blumberg >> listings I could find in the Canadian telephone book with no luck. I've >> corresponded with the Alberta Genealogical Society and they give me no >> hope of finding him. >> >> This is one brick wall I don't think I will ever break through or get >> around. >> Thank you for any replies. >> Marge >> >> If you want to hear the angels . . listen with your heart. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I don't have any answers to your questions, but I did find a 22 year old August Blumberg in the 1900 census in San Francisco with wife Lena. He was born in New York. Don't know if this is your guy, but if it is it might add more to the mystery. Good luck Leslie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marge Clark" <[email protected]> To: "NYORANGE-LIST Post" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 9:37 AM Subject: [NYORANGE] Children's Homes 1880 > Does anyone know of any Children's Homes/Orphanages in Newburgh in 1880? > > I found a Children's Home in 1900 at 18 High Street but cannot find them > in the 1880 census. > > I'm searching for an August Blumberg who was born between 1874 and 1880. > His father deserted the family in 1880 and his mother died 6 months later. > Newburgh city clerk has no record of his birth. The only mention I have of > his existence is from a 1941 obituary saying that at that time he was > living in Alberta Canada. I've written letters to all the Blumberg > listings I could find in the Canadian telephone book with no luck. I've > corresponded with the Alberta Genealogical Society and they give me no > hope of finding him. > > This is one brick wall I don't think I will ever break through or get > around. > Thank you for any replies. > Marge > > If you want to hear the angels . . listen with your heart. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Would the convent also be an orphanage? ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 10:09 AM Subject: Re: [NYORANGE] Children's Homes 1880 > 1900 US, NY, Cortlandt, Peekskill, ED 59, sheet 1, 14 Jun 1900 > Teresa Cunningham, b Feb 1868, 32, b NY, parents b Ireland, teacher at St. > Joseph's Convent, > > The following person b in Westchester became a nun and was at several > Hospitals for children including St. Joseph's in Peeksill. > > Judy Ullman > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >