To all: Promoting CNYGS is still helping the genealogical community. When one is helped, the entire community is helped. Conversely, when the genealogical community loses choices or options, we all lose. The fact is, not many researchers promote anything even after they have been helped tremendously. It seems to be a I got mine attitude now see if you can get yours. Once in a blue moon a researcher filled with the joy of discovery takes the time to thank me for giving them options. It's enough for me to know that I am doing promotions so researchers can make decisions. I believe in sharing choices, you make your own decisions. A negative attitude is poison to a researcher's progress and limits their progress. Keep an open mind! Be tolerant and understanding and try to see the bright side. CNYGS has done 40 years of abstracting in 48 counties straddling various migration routes. I have a right to blow their horn! I also offer to do a lookup of the nearest current subscriber/member public collection of "Tree Talks". I hope to hear from others about this so called "issue". I believe we have to work together to become strong and successful. By the way, it will not be long before the genealogical community will see more indices of county packets on our website and this will help the community make more informed decisions at no cost. I see it as a win/win outcome. I wish you the best of luck in your research endeavors, Jim Hartigan Camillus, NY CNYGS Member ----- Original Message ----- From: "liz Parmalee" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 7:51 PM Subject: Re: [NYCAYUGA] Barber ALLEN - 1810-1830 census - NY>IL > Mel, > Mr. Hartigan promotes his organization in answer to all inquiries people > post on different mailing lists pertaining to western NY. It is very > annoying. > Liz > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mel Slane" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 7:28 PM > Subject: Re: [NYCAYUGA] Barber ALLEN - 1810-1830 census - NY>IL > > > > Regrading the message from Sharon, I don't see this commercialization > you're > > talking about. Can you explain yourself ? > > > > mel slane > > peoria, il > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Sharon" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 5:17 PM > > Subject: Re: [NYCAYUGA] Barber ALLEN - 1810-1830 census - NY>IL > > > > > > > > > > --WebTV-Mail-14394-510 > > > Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=3DUS-ASCII > > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit > > > > > > I thought this sort of commercialization of rootsweb lists was not > > > allowed. > > > I am about to unsubscribe from this list as many have done from other > > > lists as I really do not want any more spam from this person. This > > > person has lost posting privileges from other sites for this. Why is it > > > allowed here? > > > Thank You. > > > S.K. Garrett > > > > > > > > > --WebTV-Mail-14394-510 > > > Content-Disposition: Inline > > > Content-Type: Message/RFC822 > > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit > > > > > > Received: from smtpin-3105.bay.webtv.net (209.240.204.215) by > > > storefull-2353.public.lawson.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Wed, 29 Oct > > > 2003 15:09:12 -0800 (PST) > > > Received: from lists2.rootsweb.com (lists2.rootsweb.com [207.40.200.39]) > = > > > by > > > smtpin-3105.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id > > > 1E7A0FFB6; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 15:07:23 -0800 (PST) > > > Received: (from [email protected]) by lists2.rootsweb.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) > i= > > > d > > > h9TMoY41010519; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 15:50:34 -0700 > > > Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 15:50:34 -0700 > > > X-Original-Sender: [email protected] Wed Oct 29 15:50:33 2003 > > > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > > > From: "Jim Hartigan" <[email protected]> > > > Old-To: <[email protected]> > > > References: <[email protected]> > > > Subject: Re: [NYCAYUGA] Barber ALLEN - 1810-1830 census - NY>IL > > > Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 17:52:35 -0500 > > > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" > > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > X-Priority: 3 > > > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > > > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 > > > X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 > > > X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine > > > Resent-Message-ID: <[email protected]> > > > To: [email protected] > > > Resent-From: [email protected] > > > Reply-To: [email protected] > > > X-Mailing-List: <[email protected]> archive/latest/2579 > > > X-Loop: [email protected] > > > Precedence: list > > > Resent-Sender: [email protected] > > > X-Brightmail: Message tested, results are inconclusive > > > > > > We preserve records, we share information about abstracted pre-1860 > recor= > > > ds > > > of 48 NY State counties straddling various migration trails. I will look > = > > > up > > > the address of a current public subscriber to "TREE TALKS" near where > you > > > live. Just reply to me with your city & state. > > > Http://www.rootsweb.com/~nycnygs > > > Jim Hartigan > > > Proud Member > > > Central New York Genealogical Society > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: <[email protected]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 2:21 PM > > > Subject: [NYCAYUGA] Barber ALLEN - 1810-1830 census - NY>IL > > > > > > > > > > I am new to the list and trying to sort through information that would > > > lead > > > > to parents of Aaron Mott ALLEN born May 1802 in Cayuga County to > parent= > > > s > > > from > > > > NJ (father) and PA (mother). Aaron married in 1829 in Meigs County, > OH > > > and was > > > > in McDonough County, IL by April 1836. I would welcome any clues > > > regarding > > > > any of the ALLENs during the early 1800s. > > > > > > > > The following pieces for Barber ALLEN and his son Judson W. ALLEN may > h= > > > elp > > > > other Cayuga County ALLEN researchers: > > > > > > > > "Name: ALLEN, J. W. > > > > Year/Date: 1870 > > > > Publication: Atlas Map Of Knox County Illinois; published by Andreas, > > > Lyter & > > > > Co.; Davenport, Iowa, ca 1870, 91 pages. > > > > Location: Ontario, Knox Co. IL > > > > Occupation: Farmer > > > > Residence: Oneida [25] > > > > Notes: native of New York; arrived 1837 from Cayuga co., NY The 1870 > AT= > > > LAS > > > > MAP of Knox County Illinois was a subscriber publication. That is, > only > > > those > > > > Knox County residents who paid a subscription fee were listed in the > > > Subscriber > > > > sections of the Atlas. This document lists all of the subscriber > > > information > > > > that is found in the Atlas. In some instances, using other information > > > found in > > > > the Atlas, additional names and information have listed beyond the > > > original > > > > list of subscribers." > > > > > > > > "J. W." was most probably Judson Allen (about 29 years old in 1850 > cens= > > > us > > > > Knox Co., IL) listed with his father(?), Barber Allen (age 74, born > VT)= > > > . > > > > > > > > Barber Allen, father, listed: > > > > 1850 Census Knox County, IL - "11N 1E" township -- Born Vermont > > > > Image 1 of 16, Line 9: > > > > 630 636 Barber ALLEN; 74; M; Farmer; 1,000; VT > > > > Mary ALLEN; 67; F; --; --; N Scotia > > > > Judson ALLEN; 29; M; --; --; NY > > > > S. R. HARDENBURG; 46; F; --; --; N Hamp > > > > Sarah HARDENBURG; 14; F; --; --; NY > > > > John HARDENBURG; 12; M; --; --; NY > > > > Barber HARDENBURG; 10; M; --; --; IL > > > > Elsey HARDENBURG; 5; F; --; --; IL > > > > Henry WHITE; 25; M; Mill Wright; --; Ohio > > > > Alfred [G?}REGG; 21; M; Student; --; unknown > > > > Lydia [J?]OHNSTON; 16; F; Student; --; Canady > > > > > > > > 1840 Census Knox County, IL - "Unknown" townships > > > > Barber ALLEN > > > > Males: 1 @ 5-10; 1 @ 20-30; 1 @ 60-70; > > > > Females: 1 @ 0-5; 1 @ 15-20; 1 @ 40-50 [Image 15 of 20 > > > > (Ancestry.com)] [Roll: M704_62; Page 49; Image 97] Knox County, IL > ..= > > > . > > > unknown townships > > > > > > > > 1830 Census Cayuga County, NY - Cato Township > > > > ALLEN, Barber > > > > Males: 2-0-1-0-2-0-0-1-0-0-0-0-0 > > > > Females: 0-1-1-2-2-0-1-0-0-0-0- [image 13 of 22] > > > > > > > > 1820 Census Cayuga County, NY - Cato Township > > > > ALLEN, Barber > > > > Males: 1-2-0-0-1-0 > > > > Females: 4-1-0-2-0-0-3 [image 6 of 16] > > > > > > > > 1810 Census Cayuga County, NY [listed as Barba ALLEN] > > > > ALLEN, Barba > > > > Males: 5-0-0-1-0 > > > > Females: 3-0-1-1-0 [image 6 of 8] > > > > > > > > There is a marriage record for a Judson W. 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