Roger, There is a family with a Leyshon Thomas showing in the 1870 census for Onondaga County, but there are more in the household than just father and son -- if this is indeed the right family. The index entry for the father is this one: Name: Leyshon Thomas Age in 1870: 45 Estimated Birth Year: 1824 Birthplace: Wales Home in 1870: Syracuse Ward 8, Onondaga, New York Race: White Gender: Male Roll: M593_1063 Page: 521 Image: 353 Year: 1870 In this household I see: Thomas, Leyshon, age 45, M, W, Saloon Keeper, Value of personal estate = 300, born in Wales, father of foreign birth, mother of foreign birth, male age 21 or over ______, Elizabeth, age 46, F, W, Keeping House, born in Wales, father of foreign birth, mother of foreign birth, cannot read, cannot write ______, Reese, age 24, M, W, Iron Heater, born in Wales, father of foreign birth, mother of foreign birth, cannot read, cannot write ______, Leyshon, age 22, M, W, Pedlar, born in Wales, father of foreign birth, mother of foreign birth ______, Mary, age 27, F, W, born in Wales, father of foreign birth, mother of foreign birth, cannot read, cannot write ______, Richard, age 18, M, W, Iron Heater, born in Wales, father of foreign birth, mother of foreign birth ______, Margaret, age 10, F, W, born in Wales, father of foreign birth, mother of foreign birth, attended school ______, David, age 23, M, W, Iron Heater, born in Wales, father of foreign birth, mother of foreign birth Lloyd, John, age 35, M, W, Iron Pedlar, born in Wales, father of foreign birth, mother of foreign birth By the 1880 census, the son Leyshon appears to have married and moved to Norristown, Montgomery County, PA, where he is found with his wife and son whose names are very hard to read. The wife's name looks like Eliza or Elvira, or Elviya or something like that. The son's name looks like Elisha or Eclisha or something like that. Ann Jones is living in the home and listed as mother-in-law. Leyshon is a Hotel Keeper. Leyshon is still listed as having been born in Wales. Leyshon's wife and son were both born in Pennsylvania. The wife's parents were both born in Wales, as were the mother-in-law's parents. By 1900 there are two different Leyshon Thomas's born in Wales about the same time living in Pennsylvania. The one living in Norristown is a Hotel Keeper married to Elizabeth and was born October 1850 (wife born July 1853); he and his wife are shown as having had one child total and one child still living (sometimes this figure is misleading as it might give only the number of children still living and nothing more). There is unfortunately no immigration year shown. The other Leyshon Thomas listed of about the same age didn't immigrate until 1898 so can't be your guy (unless he first went back to Wales). There are quite a few entries in the England & Wales Civil Registration Index for the name "Leyshon Thomas", but unless you know more about this family, it would be hard to pick out records which might be relevant. By the 1920 census there is still a Leyshon Thomas living in Norristown PA. He is listed as having been born in England with both parents born in Wales; his immigration year is unknown. Back to the 1870 census, I looked for a street name but don't see one. I don't know what part of Syracuse Ward 8 would have been in 1870. But it would appear to be part of the city proper rather than one of the nearby areas. A page which gives a nice history of Syracuse in those early days can be found at: <http://www.syracusethenandnow.net/History/Industrial_age_fed_syracuse_boom.htm> It says that by 1910, there were 75 factories involved in making iron and steel related products, so I don't know how easy it would be to figure out which iron factory this family was associated with. -- Hope this helps, Mary Taffet Syracuse, NY Roger Davies wrote: > > Does anyone have access to the 1870 census for Onondaga? I am looking for Leyshon Thomas and his son Leyshon who lived there then. I believe they later moved to Lackawanna PA. > > Thanks > > Roger