Does anyone have the site for the calculator that if you know the death date and it says the person was 84 yrs, 3 mo and 3 days old when he died, it will give the birth date? I had it but I have lost it!!! Darn!! Jakki

Thanks Diane ----- Original Message ----- From: <DIFlynn@aol.com> To: <nyononda@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 9:13 AM Subject: Re: [NYONONDA] 1821 Elsworth death > > In a message dated 6/25/2007 4:10:00 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > nroberts@ispkansas.com writes: > > And > what church was Elder Morrill associated with. > An elegy. Written on the death of Enfield Elsworth, the wife of Reuben > Elsworth, who died in Camillus, Onondaga Co. N.Y. April 14th, 1821. By > Elder > Obadiah E. Morrill. > > > > O E Morrill was associated with the Christian Church in Plainville, Town > of > Lysander, which was founded in 1822: > "The Church of God of Cato & Lysander > was organized on the 18th day of May in. > the year of our Lord 1822. by Elders. > O E Morrill & Elijah Shaw. taking the > Scriptures of the Old and New Testament > as the rule of our faith and practice -- " > Parts of the church's record book have been transcribed and placed on the > Onondaga County USGenWeb site: > _http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyononda/CHURCH/PLAINVIL.HTM_ > (http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyononda/CHURCH/PLAINVIL.HTM) > > Hope this helps: > Diane Wilson Flynn > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYONONDA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Michelle, Pat, and Rick: Thank you all for the information and descriptions! Your reminiscences and walks down memory lane helped me imagine my grandmother as a young girl enjoying many of the same things you all did (and still do!) My mother said my grandmother never really talked about her childhood - not because it was bad, but because my mother and her siblings never thought to ask. I guess they felt it was too intrusive. How I wish they had though!! Thank you again for your descriptions! I would love to see Stony Island one day! Shannon ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Hello listers: I am trying to help my cousin find any information on his DESIMONE and FABRIZIO ancestors. He is planning a trip to Italy and would love to know where his ancestors were from so he can visit those towns. He knows very little about his ancestors and I have not been able to find anything on them on rootsweb and I have not found his family on Heritagequest's censuses up to 1920. His grandfather's name was SAMUEL DESIMONE. Samuel was born in Syracuse,NY in 1903 and he also died in Syracuse in 1973. He married FELICE FABRIZIO. Felice FABRIZIO was born in Cortland NY in 1907 and died in Syracuse, NY in 1994. Samuel and Felice had one daughter, Jackie, and one son, James. James was born in 1935 in Syracuse. Searches on NYGENWEB'S Onondaga and Cortland counties websites have not turned up anything on these families either. My cousin believes his grandfather Samuel DESIMONE'S ancestors may be from Sicily and his FABRIZIO ancestors may be from Naples or Florence. I would appreciate any information that you may have on these families. Thank you in advance, Renne

Thank you "When we come to the edge of the light we know and are about to step off into the darkness of the unknown, of this you can be sure: either God will provide something solid to stand on or we will be taught to fly." Barbara J. Winter

Thank you. "When we come to the edge of the light we know and are about to step off into the darkness of the unknown, of this you can be sure: either God will provide something solid to stand on or we will be taught to fly." Barbara J. Winter

WISNER, John T., DLC #2730, Linn Co., b. 1800, Onondago Co., N.Y. WISNER, Elizabeth (Betsey), wife of John T., marr. 28 Jun 1826, Wayne Co., N.Y. This is from the Linn Co. Oregon web page linn.history.peak.org I believe that John T. Wisner was the son of James Wisner and Elizabeth Carpenter, daughter of Moses Carpenter of Onondaga Co. from Orange Co. NY and Elizabeth Runyon of Morris Co. NJ. Our family research indicated that her maiden name is Jones. John T. Wisner's sister, Eliza, m. Joel Melvin of Ontario/Chautaqua co. NY; after his death she married Wm Pitt ?where and when. She eventually moved to Douglas co. Oregon. Would like to find John T. and Betsy's descendants. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Josiah BRINTNAL 1840 Salina, Onondaga Co., NY (You can look at an 1840 blank census page for the age groupings.) Males 1-1-1-3-10-3-3 Females 0-0-0-2-3-1-0-1 Thomas BRINTNAL 1840 Elbridge, Onondaga, NY Males 2-0-0-0-0-1-0-0-0-1 Females 1-1-1-0-0-0-0-0-0-0 Judy ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Joye - This is all there is for Jno BRINTNELL in 1810 2 - - 1 - || 2 - 1 1 - - 1 Judy ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

FYI -- The following message just came over another list that I subscribe to. Since it mentions Onondaga County specifically, I contacted the author of the message and asked her permission to forward her message here to our list; she gave me her permission. I have snipped the parts of the message that don't pertain to Onondaga County. Here's a direct link to the database: <http://www.germangenealogygroup.com/NortherNat.STM> I was going to mention another group that generally hosts the same set of databases on their site in case this one was slow, but this is one case where the other society doesn't carry the same database -- at least not yet anyway. -- Mary -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [BKLYN] Updated FREE searchable databases on German Genealogy Group website Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 23:12:21 -0400 From: Elizabeth Lovaglio <lizlov@optonline.net> The German Genealogy Group has added another new database and updated our yearbook database! Northern District Court of NY Naturalizations This database contains an index to the naturalization records that were issued between 1821 and 1855 by the Northern District Courts, which includes the counties of Albany, Broome, Cayuga, Chenango, Clinton, Cortland, Delaware, Essex, Franklin, Fulton, Hamilton, Herkimer, Jefferson, Lewis, Madison, Montgomery, Oneida, Onondaga, Oswego, Rensselaer, St. Lawrence, Saratoga, Schenectady, Schoharie, Tioga, Tompkins, Warren and Washington. It contains 208 records which were filed by date and do not contain petition numbers. [snip] Go to www.GermanGenealogyGroup.com to see our church, naturalization and vital records databases. [snip]

Thank you, Judy. Any family listed for John? "When we come to the edge of the light we know and are about to step off into the darkness of the unknown, of this you can be sure: either God will provide something solid to stand on or we will be taught to fly." Barbara J. Winter

I found a John BRINTNALL in Moriah, Essex Co., NY in 1810. No BRINTNALLs in NY in 1800 census that I could find. Judy ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

THANK YOU! Are their ages given? Any family listed? "When we come to the edge of the light we know and are about to step off into the darkness of the unknown, of this you can be sure: either God will provide something solid to stand on or we will be taught to fly." Barbara J. Winter

I found two BRINTNELLs in the 1840 census for Onondaga Co., NY: Josiah BRINTNALL in Salina Thomas BRINTNAL in Elbridge If you want more info, just let me know. Judy Kirkland, WA ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

In a message dated 6/25/2007 4:10:00 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, nroberts@ispkansas.com writes: And what church was Elder Morrill associated with. An elegy. Written on the death of Enfield Elsworth, the wife of Reuben Elsworth, who died in Camillus, Onondaga Co. N.Y. April 14th, 1821. By Elder Obadiah E. Morrill. O E Morrill was associated with the Christian Church in Plainville, Town of Lysander, which was founded in 1822: "The Church of God of Cato & Lysander was organized on the 18th day of May in. the year of our Lord 1822. by Elders. O E Morrill & Elijah Shaw. taking the Scriptures of the Old and New Testament as the rule of our faith and practice -- " Parts of the church's record book have been transcribed and placed on the Onondaga County USGenWeb site: _http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyononda/CHURCH/PLAINVIL.HTM_ (http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyononda/CHURCH/PLAINVIL.HTM) Hope this helps: Diane Wilson Flynn ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Looking for any info on Reuben Elsworth and wife Enfield who were in Camillus in 1821. Last name could be Elsworth, Ellsworth, Aylesworth. And what church was Elder Morrill associated with. An elegy. Written on the death of Enfield Elsworth, the wife of Reuben Elsworth, who died in Camillus, Onondaga Co. N.Y. April 14th, 1821. By Elder Obadiah E. Morrill.

Aaron Brintnell was born in Syracuse in May of 1841 or 42. His father was Hiram Brintnell; mother's name believed to be Charlott. Aaron had 3 older brothers, John, c. 1832, Ira c. 1939 and Elihin c. 1840. Can someone with access to the NY censuses check for this family in 1840? Does a Brintnell family appear in the 1800 or 1810 NY census as Hiram was also born in NY? "When we come to the edge of the light we know and are about to step off into the darkness of the unknown, of this you can be sure: either God will provide something solid to stand on or we will be taught to fly." Barbara J. Winter

----- Original Message ----- From: "M. Stone" <mstone@fisherstone.com> To: <nyononda@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 5:18 AM Subject: [NYONONDA] Fishing at Stony Island/area lake culture > Hi Shannon, > > Sure, people swim in Lake Ontario! There is Westcott Beach State Park on > the shore just south of the Sacketts Harbor area in Jefferson County. > http://nysparks.state.ny.us/parks/info.asp?parkID=161 > > It has changed very little since I was a kid. I grew up in North > Syracuse in Onondaga Co., and my family used to go there for weekend > daytrips, picnics, and swimming back in the 1960s. Little did I know > that in looking out into the water I was gazing toward the Galloo > Islands offshore, where my great-great-grandparents lived 1869-1880. I > never knew that until I started doing genealogy in the 1990s. > > Their story, at my website (see "Island Life"): > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mstone/lewishroberts3.htm > > People lived, fished, and vacationed all over the shoreline and islands > of Lake Ontario. > > My bunch on the Big Galloo ended up in Watertown, NY (Jefferson Co.), > and subsequent generations circulated between North Syracuse and the > Watertown/Sackets Harbor area all the time (train travel between these > places was so common back then). > > People in North Syracuse in earlier generations loved to go fishing all > the time "up north." Many would rent "cottages" (rustic shacks) up there > for their vacations, with the lucky ones wealthy enough to own their own > cottages. I have old family photos over two or three generations > documenting fishing/swimming trips to Sandy Pond (still a recreational > area:) > > This website gives you a nice look at the area: > http://www.sandypondresorts.com/ > > In the 1920s car travel became popular and my great-grandparents and > their friends from the neighborhood and the Taft Grange began going to > the north woods to fish and swim in car caravans of old Model As and > Franklins instead of taking the trains. Hot stuff! > > Depending on what crowd you ran with, it seems life in Onondaga Co. > certainly could include an intimate and familiar relationship with the > local lake/island culture, including Lake Ontario, Oneida Lake, and all > the way to the 1,000 Islands and the Adirondacks (I also have photos of > g-grandparents' fishing trips to Moon Lake in St. Lawrence Co.). Of > course, the nearest to Syracuse was Onondaga Lake, used for both > industry (producing salt, and the home of the Solvay Process Company) > and recreation (including 1900-era resorts/amusement parks like White > City and Long Branch). By the 1960s that lake was so polluted nobody > dared go into it anymore, but I think they have cleaned it up some since. > > Just some general history from a personal slant. > > --Michelle > > > > > > Foon123@aol.com wrote: >> ... >> >> Do people swim in Lake Ontario? My grandmother was only 11 or 12 in the >> photos - I can't imagine her fishing, but you never know!! Do you know >> how far >> Stony Island is from Syracuse (where my grandmother grew up). I live >> down >> south and am not familiar with place locations in New York. >> >> Thanks! >> Shannon >> >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYONONDA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi Shannon Sorry for the delay in my reply, but I am working the "The Moving Wall" at Clayton this week and its is a "big five days". The Moving Wall is a Memorial in honor of the men and women of the armed forces of the US who served in the Vietnam War. It was brought here by the Clayton Am. Legion for the June 20-25. Clayton is just down the road (on the St Lawrence) from Cape Vincent where I live. But at the Cape we love to mention we are the only spot where we have both the St Lawrence River and Lake Ontario. The spot where the River and the Lake meet. Yes, People do "Swim" in Lake Ontario. They have been swimming here for years. I have not been in the water yet this year as usually the 4th of July is when it warms up enough for me. People have summer cottages (camps as they are called today) and summer homes (perhaps someone in your Ancestry had a summer cottage). I have a picture of my "First Dip" in Lake Ontario at Sackets Harbor New York (where we lived year round at that time) when I was 5 months old. Of course my mother was holding me and the picture is a brown colored black and white version. It was many years ago. Not all the people are Fisherman (but many are) and my brother and I had our own Fishing Poles from the time we were 4 years old or less. Fishing was a big part of our family recreation. So many learned to fish very young I am not sure where you live but mail me direct and I could mail you some scene's of the area. Pat R

Hi Shannon, Sure, people swim in Lake Ontario! There is Westcott Beach State Park on the shore just south of the Sacketts Harbor area in Jefferson County. http://nysparks.state.ny.us/parks/info.asp?parkID=161 It has changed very little since I was a kid. I grew up in North Syracuse in Onondaga Co., and my family used to go there for weekend daytrips, picnics, and swimming back in the 1960s. Little did I know that in looking out into the water I was gazing toward the Galloo Islands offshore, where my great-great-grandparents lived 1869-1880. I never knew that until I started doing genealogy in the 1990s. Their story, at my website (see "Island Life"): http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mstone/lewishroberts3.htm People lived, fished, and vacationed all over the shoreline and islands of Lake Ontario. My bunch on the Big Galloo ended up in Watertown, NY (Jefferson Co.), and subsequent generations circulated between North Syracuse and the Watertown/Sackets Harbor area all the time (train travel between these places was so common back then). People in North Syracuse in earlier generations loved to go fishing all the time "up north." Many would rent "cottages" (rustic shacks) up there for their vacations, with the lucky ones wealthy enough to own their own cottages. I have old family photos over two or three generations documenting fishing/swimming trips to Sandy Pond (still a recreational area:) This website gives you a nice look at the area: http://www.sandypondresorts.com/ In the 1920s car travel became popular and my great-grandparents and their friends from the neighborhood and the Taft Grange began going to the north woods to fish and swim in car caravans of old Model As and Franklins instead of taking the trains. Hot stuff! Depending on what crowd you ran with, it seems life in Onondaga Co. certainly could include an intimate and familiar relationship with the local lake/island culture, including Lake Ontario, Oneida Lake, and all the way to the 1,000 Islands and the Adirondacks (I also have photos of g-grandparents' fishing trips to Moon Lake in St. Lawrence Co.). Of course, the nearest to Syracuse was Onondaga Lake, used for both industry (producing salt, and the home of the Solvay Process Company) and recreation (including 1900-era resorts/amusement parks like White City and Long Branch). By the 1960s that lake was so polluted nobody dared go into it anymore, but I think they have cleaned it up some since. Just some general history from a personal slant. --Michelle Foon123@aol.com wrote: > ... > > Do people swim in Lake Ontario? My grandmother was only 11 or 12 in the > photos - I can't imagine her fishing, but you never know!! Do you know how far > Stony Island is from Syracuse (where my grandmother grew up). I live down > south and am not familiar with place locations in New York. > > Thanks! > Shannon > > > >