I am subscribed to the digest form of the mailing list. The first two lists I got have an attached mime file. Can someone tell me how to open these. I belong to several lists and this has never come up before. Please answer off list as I can't read anything from the list. Thanks, Betty Elizwil827@aol.com **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)

Read a 1931 newspaper account of the Daughters of the American Revolution (DAR,) marking the graves of 595 Revolutionary War Soldiers that were buried in Onondaga County. The soldiers names and burial locations are listed within. Go to www.unyg.com, click on the "UNYG Blog" at the top of the page to read this story. Dick Hillenbrand - Upstate New York Genealogy - www.unyg.com

Hi I have used this Archives frequently over the years (including these microfilms). They have a wonderful collection of microfilms, books, rare books and family history. It certainly would be a disaster if any of their valuable resources were damaged. Pat R

Important for everyone on this list to read! _http://www.syracuse.com/articles/kirst/index.ssf?/base/news-0/119762658126106 0.xml&coll=1_ (http://www.syracuse.com/articles/kirst/index.ssf?/base/news-0/1197626581261060.xml&coll=1) **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)

If anyone wants to wish Dick Eastman "Get Well," you can do so by leaving a comment on the bottom of his Blog. He's taking a few days off. http://blog.eogn.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/2007/12/no-newsletter-a.html

If you are interested in good maps, or plan on doing any land research anywhere in New York State, then you will likely want to read my review of one of the very best New York State Atlases available. You will find the article on the Upstate New York Genealogy Blogsite, by going to www.unyg.com and clicking on the "UNYG Blog" tab at the top. Dick Hillenbrand - www,unyg.com

I am trying to find the name of the wife of John J. WALTERS. They were married 1 January 1897, Town of Onondaga (NYSVR Fiche nr. 209-M, record # 0054). They had a son, Allen T. WALTERS, born 10 August 1898, Town of Onondaga (NYSVFR Fiche nr. 233-B, record nr. 31874). I checked the death records for 1898,1899, 1900, but the indices were of such poor quality that they were useless. Allen T. WALTERS was living with his paternal grandparents in 1900 in Town of DeWitt. He ended up in the Onondaga County Orphan Asylum (newsarticle). dick **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001)

Several years ago I was looking for information for someone in the Syracuse area for Vine Wales in Vermont. And she was looking for my Burns in Cazenovia and Syracuse. I have lost her e-mail address and would like to get back in touch with her. Are you on this list? Jim Avery Quechee VT **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001)

Check out some early Onondaga County church records, and several other Upstate NY counties, at Cornell University. To read about this collection go to www.unyg.com and click on "UNYG Blog." -- Dick Hillenbrand Upstate New York Genealogy website and blog: www.unyg.com member: Association of Professional Genealogists (APG)

Is there anyone willing to take a digital photo of three grave markers, father; mother and son (weather permitting) in St Mary's Cemetery, DeWitt in Onondaga County. We are willing to cover costs. Thank you.....Rick

Hello - I think I may have found a new ancestor, Peter Ford b. ca 1820 wife Nancy b. ca 1818 children Mary, Sarah, Katie and Frank. This from the 1870 census for Syracuse. They were living right next to my great grandfather James Burns and his wife Margaret whom we know to be a Ford and their family John, Mary and James. Anyone else researching this family? Thanks Jim Avery ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

I believe it was actually called the "Anti-Sour Puss Club" that was headed by Nick Peters. A search of the Syracuse newspapers brings up many articles in the late 1940s and thru the 1950s. It seemed to be a recreational group that also spent much time fund raising for local causes. In 1943 there was an article that ran in the paper about the club, at that time they were raising money to buy an ambulance for the Syracuse area. (if you'd like a copy of the article, email me at lhg@onlib.org and I'll send it along.) Holly Sammons, Librarian Local History/Genealogy Onondaga County Public Library 447 So. Salina St. Syracuse, NY 13202 315-435-1900 http://www.onlib.org/website/LH/lh.htm <http://www.onlib.org/website/LH/lh.htm> ________________________________ From: D Thomas [mailto:dizlynn1@earthlink.net] Sent: Thu 11/8/2007 4:20 PM To: M. Stone; nyononda@rootsweb.com Subject: [NYONONDA] local organization Sour Puss Club Thanks to those that have responded. The paper was an obit in 1962 for Matthew LONG, that stated while he lived in the Syracuase area, was a member of the Sour Puss Club, but gives no data on the era he was in the Syracuse area. Thanks, Dianne ----- Original Message ----- From: "M. Stone" <mstone@fisherstone.com> To: "D Thomas" <dizlynn1@earthlink.net>; <nyononda@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 6:55 AM Subject: Re: [NYONONDA] local organization Sour Puss Club > Found this biography of Nicholas Peters, Sr.: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mstone/peters.html > > Perhaps a sourpuss! > > He founded a store that would eventually become a major department store > and clothiers in Syracuse. His son, Nicholas Jr., (Nick?) was one of the > partners until he died. What is the date of the newspaper clip? > > Michelle Stone > "German Immigrant Ancestors in Syracuse & Onondaga Co., NY:" > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mstone/index.html > > > > D Thomas wrote: >> While looking at some news clippings from an out of the area newspaper, I >> found this, and wondered if anyone had any insight on this particular >> "club"" Just curious. >> >> Dianne >> "While living in Syracuse he (Mr. Long) was a member of the well known >> Sour Puss club, a fun organization composed of outstanding business and >> professional men, which was headed by Nick Peters, Syracuse clothing >> store operator and manufacturer of men's garments. " >> >>

Thanks to those that have responded. The paper was an obit in 1962 for Matthew LONG, that stated while he lived in the Syracuase area, was a member of the Sour Puss Club, but gives no data on the era he was in the Syracuse area. Thanks, Dianne ----- Original Message ----- From: "M. Stone" <mstone@fisherstone.com> To: "D Thomas" <dizlynn1@earthlink.net>; <nyononda@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 6:55 AM Subject: Re: [NYONONDA] local organization Sour Puss Club > Found this biography of Nicholas Peters, Sr.: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mstone/peters.html > > Perhaps a sourpuss! > > He founded a store that would eventually become a major department store > and clothiers in Syracuse. His son, Nicholas Jr., (Nick?) was one of the > partners until he died. What is the date of the newspaper clip? > > Michelle Stone > "German Immigrant Ancestors in Syracuse & Onondaga Co., NY:" > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mstone/index.html > > > > D Thomas wrote: >> While looking at some news clippings from an out of the area newspaper, I >> found this, and wondered if anyone had any insight on this particular >> "club"" Just curious. >> >> Dianne >> "While living in Syracuse he (Mr. Long) was a member of the well known >> Sour Puss club, a fun organization composed of outstanding business and >> professional men, which was headed by Nick Peters, Syracuse clothing >> store operator and manufacturer of men's garments. " >> >>

Found this biography of Nicholas Peters, Sr.: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mstone/peters.html Perhaps a sourpuss! He founded a store that would eventually become a major department store and clothiers in Syracuse. His son, Nicholas Jr., (Nick?) was one of the partners until he died. What is the date of the newspaper clip? Michelle Stone "German Immigrant Ancestors in Syracuse & Onondaga Co., NY:" http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mstone/index.html D Thomas wrote: > While looking at some news clippings from an out of the area newspaper, > I found this, and wondered if anyone had any insight on this particular "club"" Just curious. > > Dianne > > "While living in Syracuse he (Mr. Long) was a member of the well known Sour Puss club, a fun organization composed of outstanding business and > professional men, which was headed by Nick Peters, Syracuse clothing store operator and manufacturer of men's garments. " > >

This is all I could find so far. Perhaps they might have more info. http://www.cnyhistory.org/SampleGenealogy.html Connie -----Original Message----- From: D Thomas Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2007 7:02 AM To: NYONONDA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [NYONONDA] local organization Sour Puss Club While looking at some news clippings from an out of the area newspaper, I found this, and wondered if anyone had any insight on this particular "club"" Just curious. Dianne "While living in Syracuse he (Mr. Long) was a member of the well known Sour Puss club, a fun organization composed of outstanding business and professional men, which was headed by Nick Peters, Syracuse clothing store operator and manufacturer of men's garments. " ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYONONDA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

A google search using the term "sour puss club" came up with this link. It is for the Onondaga Historical Association and talks about 1 of there collections which includes a picture of the Anti Sour Puss Club. Looking at their subject finding aid that describes their vertical file collection in their Research Center, draw 1 has files on associations of which the Anti-Sourpuss Club is one. http://www.cnyhistory.org/SampleGenealogy.html A google search using the term "sourpuss club" came up with the following page which list an obit that mentions the person belonged to the club. http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/ny/onondaga/obits/tps/2004/sep/tps18sep2004.txt Rick Bova D Thomas wrote: > While looking at some news clippings from an out of the area newspaper, > I found this, and wondered if anyone had any insight on this particular "club"" Just curious. > > Dianne > > "While living in Syracuse he (Mr. Long) was a member of the well known Sour Puss club, a fun organization composed of outstanding business and > professional men, which was headed by Nick Peters, Syracuse clothing store operator and manufacturer of men's garments. " > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to NYONONDA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

While looking at some news clippings from an out of the area newspaper, I found this, and wondered if anyone had any insight on this particular "club"" Just curious. Dianne "While living in Syracuse he (Mr. Long) was a member of the well known Sour Puss club, a fun organization composed of outstanding business and professional men, which was headed by Nick Peters, Syracuse clothing store operator and manufacturer of men's garments. "

> Dick, > I have enjoyed reading your posting and the web site. My Clark family > came from Onondaga and with the passing of my Father we have aquired > beautiful boxes of information. I have a lot of postcards if you would > like them for your web site? > I am reserching Gaylord Clark, James Clark, Zeno & Sara Clark and Almond > Clark. > Let me know if you would like any of this information for you Onondaga > site. > Star > Washington State

Due to heresay or lack of reliable witnesses, the death record is the least reliable of all. Once you get the exact copy, the information needs to be proved. For example, I learned the hard way that a county death cert. said Catherine Flaherty was born in Ireland. When I recieved the NYS exact copy, it was Kerry with info supplied by her grand daughter's husband. Now I am wondering, could Kerry be Derry? Undertakers were notorious for getting info the easy way especially 20 years after a death cert. was the law. So if you are relying on one witness' hearing, memory and sometimes sobriety (not to mention the undertaker or coroner or physician) you may never learn the facts. Jim Hartgan Camillus, NY ----- Original Message ----- From: <DIFlynn@aol.com> To: <nyononda@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 11:58 AM Subject: Re: [NYONONDA] Fw: death records question?? REPLY > In a message dated 10/31/2007 2:52:16 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > MuskratBay@aol.com writes: > > Eventually I got a Copy from Albany, a photocopy of the original. This > one > said... he was born in County Tyrone Ireland, and died of 'fatty > degeneration > of the HEART'!! > > Just a slight difference in the two Certificates, huh? > I had a similar experience. The transcriptions from the Syracuse County > Clerk's office read: GRUNN for one of my ancestors' maiden names and > WATERUS > for the other. > > "Unusual surnames," I thought to myself. "These ought to be really easy > to > trace." > > For a year I naively searched for GRUNN and WATERUS -- and came up empty. > > Turns out that the names were GUNN and WATERS. What a difference one > extra > letter can make! > > Diane Wilson Flynn > > > > > > > ************************************** See what's new at > http://www.aol.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > NYONONDA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.17/1103 - Release Date: > 11/1/2007 6:01 AM > >

In a message dated 10/31/2007 2:52:16 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, MuskratBay@aol.com writes: Eventually I got a Copy from Albany, a photocopy of the original. This one said... he was born in County Tyrone Ireland, and died of 'fatty degeneration of the HEART'!! Just a slight difference in the two Certificates, huh? I had a similar experience. The transcriptions from the Syracuse County Clerk's office read: GRUNN for one of my ancestors' maiden names and WATERUS for the other. "Unusual surnames," I thought to myself. "These ought to be really easy to trace." For a year I naively searched for GRUNN and WATERUS -- and came up empty. Turns out that the names were GUNN and WATERS. What a difference one extra letter can make! Diane Wilson Flynn ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com