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    1. [NYOnonda] Re: St. Mary's
    2. D Thomas
    3. Jim, Thank you for your responses. I will check into it when I next visit Syracuse. I've spend many hours up in that library in the past. I agree about teaching kids respect, moreso this current generation. I have a Rev. War ancestor buried in the cemetery in Dewitt, behind the fire department and the P & C. Beer parties seem to go on there always. I cried when I saw the ruins of toppled over monuments and trash. I complained to the town of Dewitt, which was like blowing in the wind! Deaf ears. I had suggested that perhaps P & C might put up motion detector lites in the back to illuminate the cemetery when an "intruder" approached. After all, cock roaches don't like the light. Yet when I declined the hill, wiping away tears a man approached me and said, "ya know there's a Rev. War veteran buried up there". I told him, I knew that and that he was an ancestor. I had come to put flowers up there, and couldn't believe the amount of rubble and beer bottles up there, as! well as discarded underwear. I was appauled. I spoke to one fireman and he said they tried to keep an eye on the cemetery, chasing off kids that sometimes get up in there. There's no gate up that little hill. Even the Kinne Cemetery down the road has had stones knocked over and stones destroyed with baseball bats or the like. I think lessons need to be given to kids as our parents taught us. Absolutely no running in a cemetery, and we walked between the rows, not leapfrogging over the stones. Thanks for your time, Jim. I appreciate it. Dianne ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Hartigan To: D Thomas Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 2:03 AM Subject: Re: St. Mary's Diane: The cemetery on the hill with the wrought iron fence was prob. old St Mary's. If you arrange to meet with Carl Roesch at Diocesan Archives you will see the list of those buried there. I do not know what happened to indiv. head stones, etc. and there are no names on the monument at New St. mary's. I have a 1960's newspaper pix & article of how the diocese tried to communicate with the descendants of the dead, most of whom were never reached because they allowed the cemetery to become a briar patch, moved away, etc. but mostly indifference. A lot of our immigrant ancestors could barely afford the plot let alone a monument. The record was crude and poorly recorded with minimum info. But this & St Joseph's were the only consecrated ground for a 15 mile radius. St Joseph's is on the flats of the North Side and my knowledge of it is not as complete. Assumption cemetery has the common grave with the monument. I believe the local history room , 5th floor library & research room of Onon Hist Assoc. have that listing. If you want the whole story I suggest you post my reply and your reply to the list. Jim Hartigan Camillus, NY Old St. Mary's is covered by the VA hospital. The sore subject goes on because the machinery and low wage personnel used to maintain our cemeteries are slowly and prematurely wearing them down. When a monument is jostled or topples it is neglected in spite of perpetual care. INDIFFERENCE is a killer of cemeteries. This is an open invitation for beer parties etc.and further destruction by the younger generation who was not taught respect and to honor their ancestors. Jim H ----- Original Message ----- From: D Thomas To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:53 AM Subject: St. Mary's Jim, I remember as a child visiting these cemeteries with my mother. I was shocked to read this about the Catholic cemeteries!! My Mom was adopted after the death of her parents; both tragic. He was beheaded on the railroad track in East Syracuse a few months before my mother's birth. Her mother, was on the way to a Billy Sunday and was killed by a drunk driver, pushing another daughter out of the way of the vehicle. Anyway, her adopted parents were Catholic, and there were other friends I guess, that were buried in St. Mary's & St; Joseph's. I moved out of NY back in the 70's, then back to Syracuse in the '80s and out again in the 90's. Since I lived out in the suburbs, I really didn't know the city of Syracuse and where certain buildings were, even though I had worked for a few years in Syracuse, near the MONY towers. However, I did not know that St. Marys & St. Joe's sold off the property. I had been brought to St. Mary's hospital with a school injury. Was the cemetery next to the hospital?? Were either of these cemeteries on a slight hill with black wrought iron fencing? I have this continual dream about this cemetery and my mom visiting it, but I am not sure what cemetery it was. The common monument you mentioned, could you tell me more about it? Are all the names and information listed on the monument? Were all the old headstones just .... destroyed? Is there something more I can find out/ read about these changes at the cemetery? I'm seeing more and more of that happening, especially when town/city expansion is lucrative. They recently dug up an old slave cemetery in MD, removing only a small number of "caskets" to make way for more townhouse. Yet someone I know, stated he had walked that cemetery years ago and presented a copy to the historical society as well as the local library and he had the only other copy. Well, his son went to the H.S. and the library where they were donated, and guess what.... no copies to be found. They said they never had record of donation of that information. Politics, I'm sure. Sorry to go on, but this is becoming a very sore subject to me, cemeteries being sold when the "deeds" for the plots of land were already given to others. We, and family generations before, have paid for our plots; our stones, perpetual care, that I find isn't perpetual at all, etc. and there is no comfort in knowing that the grandchildren may not be able to find their families even a few years from their own burials. So, if you could guide me as to where to find out more about these cemeteries, I would be grateful. Perhaps on my next visit to Syracuse in the Spring, I can look into it more, if I knew where to begin. Thanks for your time. Dianne Thomas

    10/27/2003 07:31:46
    1. [NYOnonda] Role of Baptism Sponsors in 19th century?
    2. Michael McGraw
    3. Here's an open question on which I would welcome input from the list. The custom in the Catholic Church over at least the last 80 years is that the baptismal sponsors are considered "god parents" to the individual being baptized. I say 80 years because my father spoke of his god parents so I know the custom was around in the early 1920s. The role of the god parents was to ensure the Catholic up bringing of the child should something happen to the child's parents before he was fully grown. Whether this was more for the benefit of the child or the church is a subject for another day. In the church records from 1850 through the early 20th century there are usually two baptismal sponsors and one is normally male and the other female. They are usually brothers, sisters or close friends of the parents of the child being baptized. In most cases they are similar in age to the parents. My question is this: What were the criteria for selecting baptismal sponsors in the 19th century and did they have the same role and responsibilities as the "god parents" of the 20th century? The reason for the question is that in the 19th century baptismal records every once in a while I will see a baptismal sponsor that is a grandparent or a great uncle of the child being baptized. Their life expectancy would not ensure that they would live long enough to fulfill the functions of a god parent should the need arise. Thanks for your help. Mike McGraw Austin, TX

    10/27/2003 02:27:09
    1. [NYOnonda] Archaeology Dig @ Highland Park
    2. Hi Folks: On Nov 1st & 2nd, the Fabius Historical Society and the WIlliam Beauchamp Chapter of NYSAA will conduct a public dig at Highland Park, Town of Fabius, Onondaga County. Please drive to the very southern portion of the park. Use the following link for a map <A HREF="http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?email=1&mapdata=%252bDurgsgaQPuTbKMdH8j1Qyvt6B2ChOinSWuQHyMV9yKM9kpvP4QZsiM%252fGz8MXyJnUsIllKQGIdiMnkuAO1pjvzIJZdIfIoFR66ywrNe%252fK9wHYVROwR%252byvM%252fNI%252f0ms2P1C%252fPlJXuHyk5Au855IhXpjTOx5nDfYVl143hp8YEuYGm91XLljNcMqm8L3P3RCO17CA1Cw5aMGNwq%252fXuIrJTeGxRtiNOa6prH7aCaSdSqfoHu5XwaaQGU%252fo6kKoym7MaQKWbE4fjn5DY%252b31vZftpvYv2R7ZFYqG%252f%252fc3Em8YIfZpEc8IGQc9%252bacK9QzQ7FBLfZh4tDWQSmONrAu9XbtG7TJfMg2YyF%252fG4eXnmTRVYePedgTt7d3Qi3mi1ytx7WER9V46z3Zgo47jNr0an1IkbFUzTJbwJgEIsGOHwdF7KL27qZHaVDzPd4bVU4d2eWCJea033nq6zGkZ8%253d">http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?email=1&mapdat</A> If you have questions please contact Al LaFrance 315 662-7022 or by email: [email protected] SOme volunteers are needed for site prep on Oct 30 & 31. If you are available to help please contact Al LaFrance. Also pint and quart zip-lock bags are needed for the dig. Please bring some. posted by: Bill Casey, President Fabius Historical Society PO Box 36 Apulia Station, NY 13020 [email protected] 315 683-5674 http://www.fabiusny.org http://www.organicmilk.org/

    10/26/2003 02:02:25
    1. [NYOnonda] Re: NYONONDA-D Digest V03 #168
    2. lakeshore32
    3. I believe that the Wykoffs (spelling is wrong here)...influential folks of Onondaga were instrumental to the Three Rivers Inn which I do remember seeing in the 60's. We used to go swimming at Mudlock and picnic there...always drove by the Hotel and admired it. It was quite a place and a mecca for entertaining and dining. I will look at your site...probably not be of much help...but will certainly enjoy seeing the old place...I remember reading about it also...more than likely the Onondaga County Library has some info on it. Thanks for sharing. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~TeeterKinMy/index.html The above is my site ~ am looking for surnames of White and Pointer/Paynter/Poynter of Onondaga Co NY. God Bless. ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 12:00 PM Subject: NYONONDA-D Digest V03 #168

    10/26/2003 09:41:34
    1. [NYOnonda] Three Rivers, Arion Club, etc.
    2. Michelle Stone
    3. A little history on the Three Rivers area from my webpage on Immanuel Church at Dutch Settlement (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mstone/immanuel.html): "The Township of Clay, established in 1827, is the largest (54.6 square miles) and northernmost township of the 19 in Onondaga County today. Its area includes the Village of Clay (on route 31 between Baldwinsville and Bridgeport) and part of the Village of North Syracuse. The Oneida River forms most of its northern boundary and the Seneca River forms its western boundary, meeting with the Oswego and Oneida Rivers at a point known as Three Rivers, long a favored fishing and picnicking spot. "Before the arrival of white settlers the Three Rivers area was the site of numerous Indian councils and served as the center of the Iroquois Confederacy. Oak Orchard Reefs and Caughdenoy Reefs had been fishing and fording areas used by the Iroquois. Legend tells of a massacre of the Indians by the French or English at Oak Orchard, where a large Indian burial site was located. "Settlers in significant numbers, drawn by the natural springs there, began to arrive in the area following the Revolutionary War. Among them was a distinct population: the children and grandchildren of refugees from the part of Germany known as the Pfalz (or, in English, the Palatinate--see map), whose families had emigrated through England in 1709 and 1710 to the Hudson Valley and then to the Schoharie Valley (more history). These hardy pioneers eventually made their way in the early 1800’s to today’s Clay Township and gathered in what became known locally as the "Dutch [i.e. Deutsch] Settlement" because of the prevalence of German language and customs there. It was said (by Rev. John W. Kisselburgh, Clay town historian) to be the only Palatine community in this area of Central New York." The Arion Club (I've been told) was a singing society in Syracuse, but I don't know what dates it operated. I saw the Arion Club Building, still with the sign outside (and in use? but closed) in downtown Syracuse when I visited there in 1994, though. Similar to the Liederkranz and the Saengerbund (Syracuse German singing societies); I know there were some Germans who were in the Arion Club, but I am not sure whether or not it was exclusively or historically German. Michelle Stone "German Immigrants in Syracuse & Onondaga Co., NY" http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mstone/ Mary D. Taffet wrote: > OK, there is actually a small village called Three Rivers; it's even on > the map at Mapquest. It's near Route 57 between Moyer's Corners and > Phoenix. > > -- Mary > > > Eric Schultz wrote: > >> The Wooden Whistle Club/The Arian Jolly Bunch >> >> In 1906 my great grandfather painted two glasses for my great grandmother, >> they would be married three years later. The first glass commemorates a >> meeting of the Wooden Whistle Club at Three Rivers...

    10/26/2003 07:15:09
    1. [NYOnonda] Fw: [NYSTLAWR] Cemetery Project Anyone?
    2. Jim Hartigan
    3. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Hartigan" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 12:26 PM Subject: Re: [NYSTLAWR] Cemetery Project Anyone? > The next thing you know the diocese could sell the cemetery. > It happened in Syracuse times two; St. Joseph's & St. mary's Cemetery where > the remains were scooped up in 4X4 boxes and removed to another cemetery > with a common monument. St. Joseph's became Wegman's on the North Side & St. > Mary's was sold to Syr. Univ. who quickly sold it for the VA Hospital! > Honor your ancestors or the price is more cemetery vandalism. Teach your > kids to honor & respect. > Jim Hartigan > Camillus, NY > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 10:52 AM > Subject: [NYSTLAWR] Cemetery Project Anyone? > > > > The original Notre Dame Cemetery lies on the Black Lake Road, west of the > > current cemetery. It is completely overgrown. I visited from Maryland > this past > > July, and was able to determine I had the right location by stumbling over > a > > few stones. > > > > Would anyone be interested in a clean-up effort? The Oswegatchie Town > Clerk > > tole me it is still in the ownership of Notre Dame, but no burials have > > occurred there in over 50 years. No one seems to have a list of the > internments, > > although one record from St. Mary's lists my gggranduncle as being in lot > 405. > > > > Either a late fall, before the snow comes, or early spring, before > everything > > grows again, would seem to make sense. I would write to Notre Dame to see > if > > they would support the work. > > > > Anyone interested in participating should let me know at > [email protected] > > > > Thanks > > Fred Nugent > > Hagerstown, MD > > >

    10/26/2003 05:40:09
    1. Re: [NYOnonda] The Wooden Whistle Club/The Arion Jolly Bunch
    2. Nancy Ward
    3. Mapquest may call it a village. I would not. It's a wide spot in the road just before "Phoenix Bridge". The bridge that takes Rte 57 over the river and into Oswego Co and just a couple miles south of Phoenix, hence the local name for it. In 1906 it would be out in the country. I believe though, that the Three Rivers Hotel would have been there (torn down in recent years). During later times- the 19- twenties and thirties if I recall correctly and going on to probably the 60's or 70's it was a big place for entertainment. I seem to recall articles in the local newspaper about big name entertainers being there a lot during the depression. Nancy Syracuse, New York On Sunday, October 26, 2003, at 12:46 AM, Mary D. Taffet wrote: > OK, there is actually a small village called Three Rivers; it's even on > the map at Mapquest. It's near Route 57 between Moyer's Corners and > Phoenix. > > -- Mary > > > Eric Schultz wrote: >> >> The Wooden Whistle Club/The Arian Jolly Bunch >> >> In 1906 my great grandfather painted two glasses for my great >> grandmother, >> they would be married three years later. The first glass >> commemorates a >> meeting of the Wooden Whistle Club at Three Rivers. It reads >> "Wouldn't that >> make you Hungry?" and "Everybody Happy." It is dated August 29th >> 1906. >> The second glass commemorates the meeting of the Arion Jolly Bunch on >> February 21 1906. My grandmother remembers hearing of these clubs and >> thinks they were social, drinking or singing clubs. She said they >> were for >> the adults and mentioned that they might have worn bowlers and straw >> hats. >> She never knew much about the clubs. I have several photos from this >> era >> and I am attempting to identify the people in the photos, some of >> whom I am >> related to. Some of the photos include people wearing funny hats. I >> have >> scanned some of the photos and have put them on this web site: >> http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/s/c/h/Eric-Schultz-dc/ >> >> The web page contains several unidentified family photos, but the >> photos >> that might be the Wooden Whistle Club I have identified with AAAA's. >> I have >> also I have posted some very old photos I would like help dating. I >> think >> three of them are quite old may be from the 1860's through 1890's and >> could >> be daguerreotypes, these also have AAAA's. Most of my ancestors in >> NY were >> farmers, but the people in the daguerreotypes appear to be fairly >> well off. >> The photos are in gilded box frames and they are in are beautiful. >> >> I would be very interested in hearing from anyone who knows anything >> about >> these clubs or the photos. Thanks, Eric >

    10/26/2003 02:33:05
    1. Re: [NYOnonda] The Wooden Whistle Club/The Arion Jolly Bunch
    2. Mary D. Taffet
    3. OK, there is actually a small village called Three Rivers; it's even on the map at Mapquest. It's near Route 57 between Moyer's Corners and Phoenix. -- Mary Eric Schultz wrote: > > The Wooden Whistle Club/The Arian Jolly Bunch > > In 1906 my great grandfather painted two glasses for my great grandmother, > they would be married three years later. The first glass commemorates a > meeting of the Wooden Whistle Club at Three Rivers. It reads "Wouldn't that > make you Hungry?" and "Everybody Happy." It is dated August 29th 1906. > The second glass commemorates the meeting of the Arion Jolly Bunch on > February 21 1906. My grandmother remembers hearing of these clubs and > thinks they were social, drinking or singing clubs. She said they were for > the adults and mentioned that they might have worn bowlers and straw hats. > She never knew much about the clubs. I have several photos from this era > and I am attempting to identify the people in the photos, some of whom I am > related to. Some of the photos include people wearing funny hats. I have > scanned some of the photos and have put them on this web site: > http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/s/c/h/Eric-Schultz-dc/ > > The web page contains several unidentified family photos, but the photos > that might be the Wooden Whistle Club I have identified with AAAA's. I have > also I have posted some very old photos I would like help dating. I think > three of them are quite old may be from the 1860's through 1890's and could > be daguerreotypes, these also have AAAA's. Most of my ancestors in NY were > farmers, but the people in the daguerreotypes appear to be fairly well off. > The photos are in gilded box frames and they are in are beautiful. > > I would be very interested in hearing from anyone who knows anything about > these clubs or the photos. Thanks, Eric

    10/25/2003 06:46:35
    1. Re: [NYOnonda] The Wooden Whistle Club/The Arion Jolly Bunch
    2. Mary D. Taffet
    3. Eric, I've already replied to you privately, but for the rest of the subscribers, I will mention that "Three Rivers" refers to the geographic area where the Oneida, Oswego & Seneca Rivers meet. It is north and west of the Syracuse area proper. If I recall correctly, its sort of in the boonies, but that may have changed in the 17 years since I used to live in Liverpool and we drove through that area from time to time. The place you refer to was no doubt located in that general area. -- Mary Taffet Syracuse, NY [email protected] Eric Schultz wrote: > > The Wooden Whistle Club/The Arian Jolly Bunch > > In 1906 my great grandfather painted two glasses for my great grandmother, > they would be married three years later. The first glass commemorates a > meeting of the Wooden Whistle Club at Three Rivers. It reads "Wouldn't that > make you Hungry?" and "Everybody Happy." It is dated August 29th 1906. > The second glass commemorates the meeting of the Arion Jolly Bunch on > February 21 1906. My grandmother remembers hearing of these clubs and > thinks they were social, drinking or singing clubs. She said they were for > the adults and mentioned that they might have worn bowlers and straw hats. > She never knew much about the clubs. I have several photos from this era > and I am attempting to identify the people in the photos, some of whom I am > related to. Some of the photos include people wearing funny hats. I have > scanned some of the photos and have put them on this web site: > http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/s/c/h/Eric-Schultz-dc/ > > The web page contains several unidentified family photos, but the photos > that might be the Wooden Whistle Club I have identified with AAAA's. I have > also I have posted some very old photos I would like help dating. I think > three of them are quite old may be from the 1860's through 1890's and could > be daguerreotypes, these also have AAAA's. Most of my ancestors in NY were > farmers, but the people in the daguerreotypes appear to be fairly well off. > The photos are in gilded box frames and they are in are beautiful. > > I would be very interested in hearing from anyone who knows anything about > these clubs or the photos. Thanks, Eric

    10/25/2003 06:40:09
    1. [NYOnonda] The Wooden Whistle Club/The Arion Jolly Bunch
    2. Eric Schultz
    3. The Wooden Whistle Club/The Arian Jolly Bunch In 1906 my great grandfather painted two glasses for my great grandmother, they would be married three years later. The first glass commemorates a meeting of the Wooden Whistle Club at Three Rivers. It reads "Wouldn't that make you Hungry?" and "Everybody Happy." It is dated August 29th 1906. The second glass commemorates the meeting of the Arion Jolly Bunch on February 21 1906. My grandmother remembers hearing of these clubs and thinks they were social, drinking or singing clubs. She said they were for the adults and mentioned that they might have worn bowlers and straw hats. She never knew much about the clubs. I have several photos from this era and I am attempting to identify the people in the photos, some of whom I am related to. Some of the photos include people wearing funny hats. I have scanned some of the photos and have put them on this web site: http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/s/c/h/Eric-Schultz-dc/ The web page contains several unidentified family photos, but the photos that might be the Wooden Whistle Club I have identified with AAAA's. I have also I have posted some very old photos I would like help dating. I think three of them are quite old may be from the 1860's through 1890's and could be daguerreotypes, these also have AAAA's. Most of my ancestors in NY were farmers, but the people in the daguerreotypes appear to be fairly well off. The photos are in gilded box frames and they are in are beautiful. I would be very interested in hearing from anyone who knows anything about these clubs or the photos. Thanks, Eric

    10/25/2003 05:52:57
    1. Re: [NYOnonda] Surrogate Court Records - Franey
    2. Mary D. Taffet
    3. Kay, One more thing to double check. Did you choose "English" as the language before trying to connect to the site? If you didn't chose a language, and just left it on "Default", you might get unexpected results. -- Mary [email protected] wrote: > > Thank you for your information re Surrogate Court Records. I contacted them > via email as I was unable to pull up the digital copies. Thanks to the > information you have sent, I'll try again to view online John Franey's will as well > as documents for other relatives which I found listed in 1992 and later years. > > Thanks again, > > Kay Timmons

    10/25/2003 04:01:57
    1. [NYOnonda] I'm new to this list
    2. GARY MATHIS
    3. I'm looking for the following people My great grandfather John H Cahill and his wife, Catherine Kavanugh Cahill when they got married . John's older brother James when he got married to someone name Julia what was her last name. John's two younger brothers William Rand he married someone named Margaret O'Shea and last but least Edward Patrick he married someone named Elizabeth called Belle They were born in Brantford, Ontario, Canada and the boys came first than the parent and daughters followed I believe. My Father name is John Henry Cahill born in 1920 November He has a younger brother who is still alive William Robert Cahill These are the only two still alive in this family with John Dufee Cahill & Gertrude Florence Hirsh as parents. Please help Shawn T Cahill

    10/25/2003 03:55:04
    1. Re: [NYOnonda] Surrogate Court Records - Franey
    2. Thank you for your information re Surrogate Court Records. I contacted them via email as I was unable to pull up the digital copies. Thanks to the information you have sent, I'll try again to view online John Franey's will as well as documents for other relatives which I found listed in 1992 and later years. Thanks again, Kay Timmons

    10/25/2003 03:41:08
    1. Re: [NYOnonda] Shea Research
    2. In a message dated 10/25/2003 2:48:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > I know that this is a long shot - but, are there any Shea researchers in > Onondaga that are familiar with Mary Shea Hickey? I suspect that she is the > same Mary Shea that I found in the 1880 and 1900 census lists with parents > Jerry &Ellen Shea, but I cannot verify that. I cannot find her or her > supposed parents in any of the cemetery inscriptions on the Onondaga web > site. I know she died 10 Sep 1905 in Chicago, but was buried back in > Baldwinsville > I checked the Lesley E. Voorhees Records [Cemetery Records for Van Buren, Baldwinsville and Lysander], but did not find Mary Shea Hickey listed there. There was one Hickey [child of Cornelius, bur. 1869] and one mention of Shea [Shea's Hotel, where the deceased ended his life by hanging]. Diane Wilson Flynn

    10/25/2003 01:40:23
    1. [NYOnonda] George Rolfe - 2nyd Co H
    2. My great great grandfather died on 4-20-1865 at Harewood Hospital - Washington, DC. I have looked for a place where he was buried and have had no luck. I know somewhere in the county there is his name on something that shows the men of onondaga county - whom fought in the Civil War - but that is all I have found.

    10/25/2003 12:40:20
    1. [NYOnonda] Fw: Stars' Column
    2. Jim Hartigan
    3. ----- Original Message ----- From: Sheila Byrnes To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 5:48 PM Subject: Re: Stars' Column Jim, Yes, it may be helpful to go to rootsweb. Genealogy is the number two hobby and the column was very popular. I receive comments where ever I go. The column was read in the North Country, Cortland, Rochester, Utica, etc. The newpaper did a survey, I don't know who the market was. The paper wanted to feature fewer hobbies and cancelled several others as well. How did you hear about it? Sheila -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Enjoy MSN 8 patented spam control and more with MSN 8 Dial-up Internet Service. Try it FREE for one month!

    10/25/2003 12:34:31
    1. [NYOnonda] Shea Research
    2. Thomas Hickey
    3. I know that this is a long shot - but, are there any Shea researchers in Onondaga that are familiar with Mary Shea Hickey? I suspect that she is the same Mary Shea that I found in the 1880 and 1900 census lists with parents Jerry & Ellen Shea, but I cannot verify that. I cannot find her or her supposed parents in any of the cemetery inscriptions on the Onondaga web site. I know she died 10 Sep 1905 in Chicago, but was buried back in Baldwinsville Any help would be appreciated.

    10/25/2003 11:49:53
    1. Re: [NYOnonda] Fw: Stars' Column
    2. Nancy Ward
    3. Stars is the weekly insert in the Sunday paper. It has entertainment stuff, book reviews, art news, calendar of events monthly, stuff about comic books and at the back a section of columns on different hobbies- including genealogy. The Genealogy column (had) a short article about something going on locally, a new book or other general interest genealogy items followed by a section where people could submit queries. It's the entertainment section of the local (Syracuse Post Standard) Sunday paper basically. Nancy On Saturday, October 25, 2003, at 03:33 PM, Lois & Mike Lyon wrote: > Hello, listers, > Would someone take a moment to explain what STARS magazine is, please? > Thank you. LL >

    10/25/2003 09:41:46
    1. Re: [NYOnonda] Fw: Stars' Column
    2. Nancy Ward
    3. Well, I've registered my compliant with Nancy Fasoldt. Not sure if it will do much good- but I included the signature line below on my email. Her husband is the guy who writes about computers especially Mac's in the newspaper. So maybe it will get her attention a little! Nancy Sue ------------------------------------------------- Nancy Ward Genealogy SIG Leader Syracuse Macintosh Users Group Syracuse, NY, USA http://iSmug.com/ SMUG InfoLine (315) 695-8782 Macintosh is a trademark of Apple Computer, Inc., registered in the U.S. and other countries. On Saturday, October 25, 2003, at 01:05 PM, Jim Hartigan wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Sheila Byrnes > To: [email protected] > Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 11:55 AM > Subject: Re: Stars' Column > > > Jim, > > The STARS magazine has reduced its hobby section from 7 pages to 3. > The genealogy column plus others have been cancelled. Apparently the > editors felt the column was not popular. You and I know differently. I > have received many letters and phone calls regarding this decision. > You can express your complaints to STARS Editor Nancy Fasoldt > [email protected] > > Sheila > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > --------- > Never get a busy signal because you are always connected with > high-speed Internet access. Click here to comparison-shop providers. > >

    10/25/2003 07:39:11
    1. [NYOnonda] Fw: Stars' Column
    2. Jim Hartigan
    3. ----- Original Message ----- From: Sheila Byrnes To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 11:55 AM Subject: Re: Stars' Column Jim, The STARS magazine has reduced its hobby section from 7 pages to 3. The genealogy column plus others have been cancelled. Apparently the editors felt the column was not popular. You and I know differently. I have received many letters and phone calls regarding this decision. You can express your complaints to STARS Editor Nancy Fasoldt [email protected] Sheila -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Never get a busy signal because you are always connected with high-speed Internet access. Click here to comparison-shop providers.

    10/25/2003 07:05:20