Building a stronger Central New York GenealogicalCommunity. You can help! Let's work together, Jim Hartigan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Hartigan" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 5:09 AM Subject: Re: [NYCAYUGA] Barber ALLEN - 1810-1830 census - NY>IL > Liz: > This is not entirely a fact. I selectively limit this type of reply to folks > looking for options, pre-1860. Then I offer to do a free lookup of the > nearest to the inquirer available current public subscriber/member > collection of "TREE TALKS". > It's all about choices, > Jim Hartigan > Camillus, NY > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "liz Parmalee" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 7:51 PM > Subject: Re: [NYCAYUGA] Barber ALLEN - 1810-1830 census - NY>IL > > > > Mel, > > Mr. Hartigan promotes his organization in answer to all inquiries people > > post on different mailing lists pertaining to western NY. It is very > > annoying. > > Liz > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mel Slane" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 7:28 PM > > Subject: Re: [NYCAYUGA] Barber ALLEN - 1810-1830 census - NY>IL > > > > > > > Regrading the message from Sharon, I don't see this commercialization > > you're > > > talking about. Can you explain yourself ? > > > > > > mel slane > > > peoria, il > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Sharon" <[email protected]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 5:17 PM > > > Subject: Re: [NYCAYUGA] Barber ALLEN - 1810-1830 census - NY>IL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --WebTV-Mail-14394-510 > > > > Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=3DUS-ASCII > > > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit > > > > > > > > I thought this sort of commercialization of rootsweb lists was not > > > > allowed. > > > > I am about to unsubscribe from this list as many have done from other > > > > lists as I really do not want any more spam from this person. This > > > > person has lost posting privileges from other sites for this. Why is > it > > > > allowed here? > > > > Thank You. > > > > S.K. Garrett > > > > > > > > > > > > --WebTV-Mail-14394-510 > > > > Content-Disposition: Inline > > > > Content-Type: Message/RFC822 > > > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit > > > > > > > > Received: from smtpin-3105.bay.webtv.net (209.240.204.215) by > > > > storefull-2353.public.lawson.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Wed, 29 Oct > > > > 2003 15:09:12 -0800 (PST) > > > > Received: from lists2.rootsweb.com (lists2.rootsweb.com > [207.40.200.39]) > > = > > > > by > > > > smtpin-3105.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id > > > > 1E7A0FFB6; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 15:07:23 -0800 (PST) > > > > Received: (from [email protected]) by lists2.rootsweb.com > (8.12.8/8.12.8) > > i= > > > > d > > > > h9TMoY41010519; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 15:50:34 -0700 > > > > Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 15:50:34 -0700 > > > > X-Original-Sender: [email protected] Wed Oct 29 15:50:33 2003 > > > > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > > > > From: "Jim Hartigan" <[email protected]> > > > > Old-To: <[email protected]> > > > > References: <[email protected]> > > > > Subject: Re: [NYCAYUGA] Barber ALLEN - 1810-1830 census - NY>IL > > > > Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 17:52:35 -0500 > > > > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" > > > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > X-Priority: 3 > > > > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > > > > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 > > > > X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 > > > > X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine > > > > Resent-Message-ID: <[email protected]> > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > Resent-From: [email protected] > > > > Reply-To: [email protected] > > > > X-Mailing-List: <[email protected]> archive/latest/2579 > > > > X-Loop: [email protected] > > > > Precedence: list > > > > Resent-Sender: [email protected] > > > > X-Brightmail: Message tested, results are inconclusive > > > > > > > > We preserve records, we share information about abstracted pre-1860 > > recor= > > > > ds > > > > of 48 NY State counties straddling various migration trails. I will > look > > = > > > > up > > > > the address of a current public subscriber to "TREE TALKS" near where > > you > > > > live. Just reply to me with your city & state. > > > > Http://www.rootsweb.com/~nycnygs > > > > Jim Hartigan > > > > Proud Member > > > > Central New York Genealogical Society > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: <[email protected]> > > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 2:21 PM > > > > Subject: [NYCAYUGA] Barber ALLEN - 1810-1830 census - NY>IL > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am new to the list and trying to sort through information that > would > > > > lead > > > > > to parents of Aaron Mott ALLEN born May 1802 in Cayuga County to > > parent= > > > > s > > > > from > > > > > NJ (father) and PA (mother). Aaron married in 1829 in Meigs County, > > OH > > > > and was > > > > > in McDonough County, IL by April 1836. I would welcome any clues > > > > regarding > > > > > any of the ALLENs during the early 1800s. > > > > > > > > > > The following pieces for Barber ALLEN and his son Judson W. ALLEN > may > > h= > > > > elp > > > > > other Cayuga County ALLEN researchers: > > > > > > > > > > "Name: ALLEN, J. W. > > > > > Year/Date: 1870 > > > > > Publication: Atlas Map Of Knox County Illinois; published by > Andreas, > > > > Lyter & > > > > > Co.; Davenport, Iowa, ca 1870, 91 pages. > > > > > Location: Ontario, Knox Co. IL > > > > > Occupation: Farmer > > > > > Residence: Oneida [25] > > > > > Notes: native of New York; arrived 1837 from Cayuga co., NY The 1870 > > AT= > > > > LAS > > > > > MAP of Knox County Illinois was a subscriber publication. That is, > > only > > > > those > > > > > Knox County residents who paid a subscription fee were listed in the > > > > Subscriber > > > > > sections of the Atlas. This document lists all of the subscriber > > > > information > > > > > that is found in the Atlas. In some instances, using other > information > > > > found in > > > > > the Atlas, additional names and information have listed beyond the > > > > original > > > > > list of subscribers." > > > > > > > > > > "J. W." was most probably Judson Allen (about 29 years old in 1850 > > cens= > > > > us > > > > > Knox Co., IL) listed with his father(?), Barber Allen (age 74, born > > VT)= > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > Barber Allen, father, listed: > > > > > 1850 Census Knox County, IL - "11N 1E" township -- Born Vermont > > > > > Image 1 of 16, Line 9: > > > > > 630 636 Barber ALLEN; 74; M; Farmer; 1,000; VT > > > > > Mary ALLEN; 67; F; --; --; N Scotia > > > > > Judson ALLEN; 29; M; --; --; NY > > > > > S. R. HARDENBURG; 46; F; --; --; N Hamp > > > > > Sarah HARDENBURG; 14; F; --; --; NY > > > > > John HARDENBURG; 12; M; --; --; NY > > > > > Barber HARDENBURG; 10; M; --; --; IL > > > > > Elsey HARDENBURG; 5; F; --; --; IL > > > > > Henry WHITE; 25; M; Mill Wright; --; Ohio > > > > > Alfred [G?}REGG; 21; M; Student; --; unknown > > > > > Lydia [J?]OHNSTON; 16; F; Student; --; Canady > > > > > > > > > > 1840 Census Knox County, IL - "Unknown" townships > > > > > Barber ALLEN > > > > > Males: 1 @ 5-10; 1 @ 20-30; 1 @ 60-70; > > > > > Females: 1 @ 0-5; 1 @ 15-20; 1 @ 40-50 [Image 15 of 20 > > > > > (Ancestry.com)] [Roll: M704_62; Page 49; Image 97] Knox County, IL > > ..= > > > > . > > > > unknown townships > > > > > > > > > > 1830 Census Cayuga County, NY - Cato Township > > > > > ALLEN, Barber > > > > > Males: 2-0-1-0-2-0-0-1-0-0-0-0-0 > > > > > Females: 0-1-1-2-2-0-1-0-0-0-0- [image 13 of 22] > > > > > > > > > > 1820 Census Cayuga County, NY - Cato Township > > > > > ALLEN, Barber > > > > > Males: 1-2-0-0-1-0 > > > > > Females: 4-1-0-2-0-0-3 [image 6 of 16] > > > > > > > > > > 1810 Census Cayuga County, NY [listed as Barba ALLEN] > > > > > ALLEN, Barba > > > > > Males: 5-0-0-1-0 > > > > > Females: 3-0-1-1-0 [image 6 of 8] > > > > > > > > > > There is a marriage record for a Judson W. 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Diane: Have you had ocassion to use any CNYGS publications, and if so would you be kind enough to critique them for this list? Jim Hartigan CNYGS Member ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 2:12 AM Subject: Re: [NYOnonda] 1815 marriage records > In a message dated 10/29/2003 6:17:48 PM Pacific Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > > Are there any 1815 marriage records available from Onondaga Co.? Thank > > you. Mitzi > > > > Hopefully you know the TOWN where your relatives lived in Onondaga County. > Have you found them in the US Census yet? > > Let's start with where you won't find early marriage records. > > Since civil marriage records were not kept on a systematic basis in the state > of NY until about 1905, you will not find a 1797 or an 1815 marriage record > at Albany. > > Many of the towns began keeping civil marriage records about 1880, which > means that you won't find a 1797 or an 1815 marriage record in the town halls. > > If you knew what church or denomination your relatives belonged to, and the > records of that church were complete, you might find a 1797 or an 1815 marriage > record. > > If you are able to visit the Onondaga Historical Association in Syracuse, > their card files on various Onondaga County surnames might contain a > transcription or even the actual marriage notice from the newspaper [if there WAS a > newspaper published at that time -- consult the National Union List of United States > Newspapers]. That's how I found the announcement of the marriage of George > W. Montgomery to Almira Gunn, my third greatgrandparents at OHA: > > "Montgomery, George and Elmira Gunn, marriage announcement," Onondaga > Standard, 30 December 1829: "MARRIED- In the town of Onondaga, on the 14th inst, by > the Rev. Mr. Spaulding, Mr. G. W. Montgomery to Miss Elmira Gunn, all of that > town." > > Likewise, the resources of the Onondaga County Public Library are vast -- > and the librarians are super helpful. > > There might be a family Bible extant for your relatives in someone's > possession or archive. > > Diaries, letters and other ephemera may contain the date of a marriage. > > I found the date of marriage for Almira Gunn's parents [Charles Gunn and > Charity Pettibone] contained in a deposition within Rev. War pension papers at the > National Archives. The widow applying for a pension must prove that she was > married to the soldier. > > Probate documents, guadianship papers and property records occasionally will > contain genealogical information which may give you a clue to finding your > relatives' marriage date. > > Legal proceedings may contain genealogical information which may give you a > clue to finding your relatives' marriage date. > > County histories, so-called "mug books," will sometimes contain dates of > birth and marriage. Proud descendants often outlined their pioneer ancestors' f > amily history in order to increase their own prominence in the community.The > images of the following histories -- and about 70 more -- can be found on > genealogy.com's subscription database, Family & Local Histories. [The same images > plus the US Census for 1790, 1800, 1810, 1820, 1860,1870, 1890 (fragment), 1900, > 1910 and 1920 are available through the New York Genealogical & Biographical > Society's membership: nygbs.org] > > Clayton, W. W. History of Onondaga County, New York : with illustrations and > biographical sketches of some of its prominent men and pioneers. Syracuse, > N.Y.: D. Mason, 1878, 610 pgs. > > Bruce, Dwight H. Onondaga's centennial : gleanings of a century. Boston: The > Boston History Company, 1896, 1996 pgs. > > Beauchamp, William Martin, Past and present of Syracuse and Onondaga County, > New York : from prehistoric times to the beginning of 1908. New York: The > S.J. Clarke Pub. Co., 1908, 1631 pgs. > > Chase, Franklin H. Syracuse and its environs : a history. New York ; Chicago: > Lewis Historical Pub. Co., 1924, 1619 pgs. > > Fitch, Charles E. The press of Onondaga : a lecture delivered before the > Onondaga Historical Association. Syracuse: Daily Standard Print, 1868, 16 pgs. > > Beauchamp, William Martin, Revolutionary soldiers resident or dying in > Onondaga County, N.Y. : with supplementary list of possible veterans based on a > pension list of Franklin H. Chase, Syracuse, N.Y. Syracuse, N.Y.: McDonnell Co., > 1913, 309 pgs. > > > Hope this helps, > > Diane Wilson Flynn >

To all: Promoting CNYGS is still helping the genealogical community. When one is helped, the entire community is helped. Conversely, when the genealogical community loses choices or options, we all lose. The fact is, not many researchers promote anything even after they have been helped tremendously. It seems to be a I got mine attitude now see if you can get yours. Once in a blue moon a researcher filled with the joy of discovery takes the time to thank me for giving them options. It's enough for me to know that I am doing promotions so researchers can make decisions. I believe in sharing choices, you make your own decisions. A negative attitude is poison to a researcher's progress and limits their progress. Keep an open mind! Be tolerant and understanding and try to see the bright side. CNYGS has done 40 years of abstracting in 48 counties straddling various migration routes. I have a right to blow their horn! I also offer to do a lookup of the nearest current subscriber/member public collection of "Tree Talks". I hope to hear from others about this so called "issue". I believe we have to work together to become strong and successful. By the way, it will not be long before the genealogical community will see more indices of county packets on our website and this will help the community make more informed decisions at no cost. I see it as a win/win outcome. I wish you the best of luck in your research endeavors, Jim Hartigan Camillus, NY CNYGS Member ----- Original Message ----- From: "liz Parmalee" <[email protected]cast.net> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 7:51 PM Subject: Re: [NYCAYUGA] Barber ALLEN - 1810-1830 census - NY>IL > Mel, > Mr. Hartigan promotes his organization in answer to all inquiries people > post on different mailing lists pertaining to western NY. It is very > annoying. > Liz > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mel Slane" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 7:28 PM > Subject: Re: [NYCAYUGA] Barber ALLEN - 1810-1830 census - NY>IL > > > > Regrading the message from Sharon, I don't see this commercialization > you're > > talking about. Can you explain yourself ? > > > > mel slane > > peoria, il > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Sharon" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 5:17 PM > > Subject: Re: [NYCAYUGA] Barber ALLEN - 1810-1830 census - NY>IL > > > > > > > > > > --WebTV-Mail-14394-510 > > > Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=3DUS-ASCII > > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit > > > > > > I thought this sort of commercialization of rootsweb lists was not > > > allowed. > > > I am about to unsubscribe from this list as many have done from other > > > lists as I really do not want any more spam from this person. This > > > person has lost posting privileges from other sites for this. Why is it > > > allowed here? > > > Thank You. > > > S.K. Garrett > > > > > > > > > --WebTV-Mail-14394-510 > > > Content-Disposition: Inline > > > Content-Type: Message/RFC822 > > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit > > > > > > Received: from smtpin-3105.bay.webtv.net (209.240.204.215) by > > > storefull-2353.public.lawson.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Wed, 29 Oct > > > 2003 15:09:12 -0800 (PST) > > > Received: from lists2.rootsweb.com (lists2.rootsweb.com [207.40.200.39]) > = > > > by > > > smtpin-3105.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id > > > 1E7A0FFB6; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 15:07:23 -0800 (PST) > > > Received: (from [email protected]) by lists2.rootsweb.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) > i= > > > d > > > h9TMoY41010519; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 15:50:34 -0700 > > > Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 15:50:34 -0700 > > > X-Original-Sender: [email protected] Wed Oct 29 15:50:33 2003 > > > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > > > From: "Jim Hartigan" <[email protected]> > > > Old-To: <[email protected]> > > > References: <[email protected]> > > > Subject: Re: [NYCAYUGA] Barber ALLEN - 1810-1830 census - NY>IL > > > Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 17:52:35 -0500 > > > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" > > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > X-Priority: 3 > > > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > > > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 > > > X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 > > > X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine > > > Resent-Message-ID: <[email protected]> > > > To: [email protected] > > > Resent-From: [email protected] > > > Reply-To: [email protected] > > > X-Mailing-List: <[email protected]> archive/latest/2579 > > > X-Loop: [email protected] > > > Precedence: list > > > Resent-Sender: [email protected] > > > X-Brightmail: Message tested, results are inconclusive > > > > > > We preserve records, we share information about abstracted pre-1860 > recor= > > > ds > > > of 48 NY State counties straddling various migration trails. I will look > = > > > up > > > the address of a current public subscriber to "TREE TALKS" near where > you > > > live. Just reply to me with your city & state. > > > Http://www.rootsweb.com/~nycnygs > > > Jim Hartigan > > > Proud Member > > > Central New York Genealogical Society > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: <[email protected]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 2:21 PM > > > Subject: [NYCAYUGA] Barber ALLEN - 1810-1830 census - NY>IL > > > > > > > > > > I am new to the list and trying to sort through information that would > > > lead > > > > to parents of Aaron Mott ALLEN born May 1802 in Cayuga County to > parent= > > > s > > > from > > > > NJ (father) and PA (mother). Aaron married in 1829 in Meigs County, > OH > > > and was > > > > in McDonough County, IL by April 1836. I would welcome any clues > > > regarding > > > > any of the ALLENs during the early 1800s. > > > > > > > > The following pieces for Barber ALLEN and his son Judson W. ALLEN may > h= > > > elp > > > > other Cayuga County ALLEN researchers: > > > > > > > > "Name: ALLEN, J. W. > > > > Year/Date: 1870 > > > > Publication: Atlas Map Of Knox County Illinois; published by Andreas, > > > Lyter & > > > > Co.; Davenport, Iowa, ca 1870, 91 pages. > > > > Location: Ontario, Knox Co. IL > > > > Occupation: Farmer > > > > Residence: Oneida [25] > > > > Notes: native of New York; arrived 1837 from Cayuga co., NY The 1870 > AT= > > > LAS > > > > MAP of Knox County Illinois was a subscriber publication. That is, > only > > > those > > > > Knox County residents who paid a subscription fee were listed in the > > > Subscriber > > > > sections of the Atlas. This document lists all of the subscriber > > > information > > > > that is found in the Atlas. In some instances, using other information > > > found in > > > > the Atlas, additional names and information have listed beyond the > > > original > > > > list of subscribers." > > > > > > > > "J. W." was most probably Judson Allen (about 29 years old in 1850 > cens= > > > us > > > > Knox Co., IL) listed with his father(?), Barber Allen (age 74, born > VT)= > > > . > > > > > > > > Barber Allen, father, listed: > > > > 1850 Census Knox County, IL - "11N 1E" township -- Born Vermont > > > > Image 1 of 16, Line 9: > > > > 630 636 Barber ALLEN; 74; M; Farmer; 1,000; VT > > > > Mary ALLEN; 67; F; --; --; N Scotia > > > > Judson ALLEN; 29; M; --; --; NY > > > > S. R. HARDENBURG; 46; F; --; --; N Hamp > > > > Sarah HARDENBURG; 14; F; --; --; NY > > > > John HARDENBURG; 12; M; --; --; NY > > > > Barber HARDENBURG; 10; M; --; --; IL > > > > Elsey HARDENBURG; 5; F; --; --; IL > > > > Henry WHITE; 25; M; Mill Wright; --; Ohio > > > > Alfred [G?}REGG; 21; M; Student; --; unknown > > > > Lydia [J?]OHNSTON; 16; F; Student; --; Canady > > > > > > > > 1840 Census Knox County, IL - "Unknown" townships > > > > Barber ALLEN > > > > Males: 1 @ 5-10; 1 @ 20-30; 1 @ 60-70; > > > > Females: 1 @ 0-5; 1 @ 15-20; 1 @ 40-50 [Image 15 of 20 > > > > (Ancestry.com)] [Roll: M704_62; Page 49; Image 97] Knox County, IL > ..= > > > . > > > unknown townships > > > > > > > > 1830 Census Cayuga County, NY - Cato Township > > > > ALLEN, Barber > > > > Males: 2-0-1-0-2-0-0-1-0-0-0-0-0 > > > > Females: 0-1-1-2-2-0-1-0-0-0-0- [image 13 of 22] > > > > > > > > 1820 Census Cayuga County, NY - Cato Township > > > > ALLEN, Barber > > > > Males: 1-2-0-0-1-0 > > > > Females: 4-1-0-2-0-0-3 [image 6 of 16] > > > > > > > > 1810 Census Cayuga County, NY [listed as Barba ALLEN] > > > > ALLEN, Barba > > > > Males: 5-0-0-1-0 > > > > Females: 3-0-1-1-0 [image 6 of 8] > > > > > > > > There is a marriage record for a Judson W. 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In a message dated 10/29/2003 6:17:48 PM Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > Are there any 1815 marriage records available from Onondaga Co.? Thank > you. Mitzi > Hopefully you know the TOWN where your relatives lived in Onondaga County. Have you found them in the US Census yet? Let's start with where you won't find early marriage records. Since civil marriage records were not kept on a systematic basis in the state of NY until about 1905, you will not find a 1797 or an 1815 marriage record at Albany. Many of the towns began keeping civil marriage records about 1880, which means that you won't find a 1797 or an 1815 marriage record in the town halls. If you knew what church or denomination your relatives belonged to, and the records of that church were complete, you might find a 1797 or an 1815 marriage record. If you are able to visit the Onondaga Historical Association in Syracuse, their card files on various Onondaga County surnames might contain a transcription or even the actual marriage notice from the newspaper [if there WAS a newspaper published at that time -- consult the National Union List of United States Newspapers]. That's how I found the announcement of the marriage of George W. Montgomery to Almira Gunn, my third greatgrandparents at OHA: "Montgomery, George and Elmira Gunn, marriage announcement," Onondaga Standard, 30 December 1829: "MARRIED- In the town of Onondaga, on the 14th inst, by the Rev. Mr. Spaulding, Mr. G. W. Montgomery to Miss Elmira Gunn, all of that town." Likewise, the resources of the Onondaga County Public Library are vast -- and the librarians are super helpful. There might be a family Bible extant for your relatives in someone's possession or archive. Diaries, letters and other ephemera may contain the date of a marriage. I found the date of marriage for Almira Gunn's parents [Charles Gunn and Charity Pettibone] contained in a deposition within Rev. War pension papers at the National Archives. The widow applying for a pension must prove that she was married to the soldier. Probate documents, guadianship papers and property records occasionally will contain genealogical information which may give you a clue to finding your relatives' marriage date. Legal proceedings may contain genealogical information which may give you a clue to finding your relatives' marriage date. County histories, so-called "mug books," will sometimes contain dates of birth and marriage. Proud descendants often outlined their pioneer ancestors' f amily history in order to increase their own prominence in the community.The images of the following histories -- and about 70 more -- can be found on genealogy.com's subscription database, Family & Local Histories. [The same images plus the US Census for 1790, 1800, 1810, 1820, 1860,1870, 1890 (fragment), 1900, 1910 and 1920 are available through the New York Genealogical & Biographical Society's membership: nygbs.org] Clayton, W. W. History of Onondaga County, New York : with illustrations and biographical sketches of some of its prominent men and pioneers. Syracuse, N.Y.: D. Mason, 1878, 610  pgs. Bruce, Dwight H. Onondaga's centennial : gleanings of a century. Boston: The Boston History Company, 1896, 1996  pgs. Beauchamp, William Martin, Past and present of Syracuse and Onondaga County, New York : from prehistoric times to the beginning of 1908. New York: The S.J. Clarke Pub. Co., 1908, 1631  pgs. Chase, Franklin H. Syracuse and its environs : a history. New York ; Chicago: Lewis Historical Pub. Co., 1924, 1619  pgs. Fitch, Charles E. The press of Onondaga : a lecture delivered before the Onondaga Historical Association. Syracuse: Daily Standard Print, 1868, 16  pgs. Beauchamp, William Martin, Revolutionary soldiers resident or dying in Onondaga County, N.Y. : with supplementary list of possible veterans based on a pension list of Franklin H. Chase, Syracuse, N.Y. Syracuse, N.Y.: McDonnell Co., 1913, 309  pgs. Hope this helps, Diane Wilson Flynn

Dear Members: Kay Timmons ([email protected]) thought you would be interested in this item from Syracuse.com. http://www.syracuse.com/search/index.ssf?/base/news-0/1066553712236400.xml?syrnergc Kay Timmons says: This article could be of interest to out-of-town members who attended Courtview School. I did not attend there but know Mrs. Yarrington and her family. She is truly a remarkable woman. I am told she is very excited about the reunion. My daughter thought it quite amusing that people my age would be going to a kindergarten reunion. ______________________________ Want more news and info from Syracuse.com? Subscribe to My Newsletters and get FREE e-mail updates delivered to your inbox. http://www.syracuse.com/lists/

Hello List, Are there any 1815 marriage records available from Onondaga Co.? Thank you. Mitzi

Would someone be able to look up a marriage for me please? I am looking for a marriage between Veronica Dillon and ? sometime between 1916 and 1925. I would appreciate any help in this. Thank you, Carol

By the way your local family history center will have an abbreviated Old St. Mary's listing, it is not nearly as complete as the one at the diocesan archives. I believe there is an even more abbreviated one on Onondaga Gen web. Jim H ----- Original Message ----- From: "D Thomas" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 5:31 PM Subject: [NYOnonda] Re: St. Mary's > Jim, > > Thank you for your responses. I will check into it when I next visit Syracuse. I've spend many hours up in that library in the past. I agree about teaching kids respect, moreso this current generation. I have a Rev. War ancestor buried in the cemetery in Dewitt, behind the fire department and the P & C. Beer parties seem to go on there always. I cried when I saw the ruins of toppled over monuments and trash. I complained to the town of Dewitt, which was like blowing in the wind! Deaf ears. I had suggested that perhaps P & C might put up motion detector lites in the back to illuminate the cemetery when an "intruder" approached. After all, cock roaches don't like the light. Yet when I declined the hill, wiping away tears a man approached me and said, "ya know there's a Rev. War veteran buried up there". I told him, I knew that and that he was an ancestor. I had come to put flowers up there, and couldn't believe the amount of rubble and beer bottles up there, as! > well as discarded underwear. I was appauled. I spoke to one fireman and he said they tried to keep an eye on the cemetery, chasing off kids that sometimes get up in there. There's no gate up that little hill. Even the Kinne Cemetery down the road has had stones knocked over and stones destroyed with baseball bats or the like. > > I think lessons need to be given to kids as our parents taught us. Absolutely no running in a cemetery, and we walked between the rows, not leapfrogging over the stones. > > Thanks for your time, Jim. I appreciate it. > > Dianne > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jim Hartigan > To: D Thomas > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 2:03 AM > Subject: Re: St. Mary's > > > Diane: > The cemetery on the hill with the wrought iron fence was prob. old St Mary's. If you arrange to meet with Carl Roesch at Diocesan Archives you will see the list of those buried there. I do not know what happened to indiv. head stones, etc. and there are no names on the monument at New St. mary's. I have a 1960's newspaper pix & article of how the diocese tried to communicate with the descendants of the dead, most of whom were never reached because they allowed the cemetery to become a briar patch, moved away, etc. but mostly indifference. A lot of our immigrant ancestors could barely afford the plot let alone a monument. The record was crude and poorly recorded with minimum info. But this & St Joseph's were the only consecrated ground for a 15 mile radius. > St Joseph's is on the flats of the North Side and my knowledge of it is not as complete. Assumption cemetery has the common grave with the monument. I believe the local history room , 5th floor library & research room of Onon Hist Assoc. have that listing. > If you want the whole story I suggest you post my reply and your reply to the list. > Jim Hartigan > Camillus, NY > > Old St. Mary's is covered by the VA hospital. > The sore subject goes on because the machinery and low wage personnel used to maintain our cemeteries are slowly and prematurely wearing them down. When a monument is jostled or topples it is neglected in spite of perpetual care. INDIFFERENCE is a killer of cemeteries. This is an open invitation for beer parties etc.and further destruction by the younger generation who was not taught respect and to honor their ancestors. > Jim H > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: D Thomas > To: [email protected] > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:53 AM > Subject: St. Mary's > > > Jim, > > I remember as a child visiting these cemeteries with my mother. I was shocked to read this about the Catholic cemeteries!! > > My Mom was adopted after the death of her parents; both tragic. He was beheaded on the railroad track in East Syracuse a few months before my mother's birth. Her mother, was on the way to a Billy Sunday and was killed by a drunk driver, pushing another daughter out of the way of the vehicle. Anyway, her adopted parents were Catholic, and there were other friends I guess, that were buried in St. Mary's & St; Joseph's. I moved out of NY back in the 70's, then back to Syracuse in the '80s and out again in the 90's. Since I lived out in the suburbs, I really didn't know the city of Syracuse and where certain buildings were, even though I had worked for a few years in Syracuse, near the MONY towers. > > However, I did not know that St. Marys & St. Joe's sold off the property. I had been brought to St. Mary's hospital with a school injury. Was the cemetery next to the hospital?? Were either of these cemeteries on a slight hill with black wrought iron fencing? I have this continual dream about this cemetery and my mom visiting it, but I am not sure what cemetery it was. > > The common monument you mentioned, could you tell me more about it? Are all the names and information listed on the monument? Were all the old headstones just .... destroyed? Is there something more I can find out/ read about these changes at the cemetery? > > I'm seeing more and more of that happening, especially when town/city expansion is lucrative. They recently dug up an old slave cemetery in MD, removing only a small number of "caskets" to make way for more townhouse. Yet someone I know, stated he had walked that cemetery years ago and presented a copy to the historical society as well as the local library and he had the only other copy. Well, his son went to the H.S. and the library where they were donated, and guess what.... no copies to be found. They said they never had record of donation of that information. Politics, I'm sure. > > Sorry to go on, but this is becoming a very sore subject to me, cemeteries being sold when the "deeds" for the plots of land were already given to others. We, and family generations before, have paid for our plots; our stones, perpetual care, that I find isn't perpetual at all, etc. and there is no comfort in knowing that the grandchildren may not be able to find their families even a few years from their own burials. > > So, if you could guide me as to where to find out more about these cemeteries, I would be grateful. Perhaps on my next visit to Syracuse in the Spring, I can look into it more, if I knew where to begin. > > Thanks for your time. > Dianne Thomas > > > > >

I am searching for any information on Amos Sherwood who married Lucy Peck ca 1835. They lived in or around Camillus, NY. Would like to know more about any children they may have had and also Amos and Lucy's parents and siblings names. Any information at all on this family would be most appreciated. Thanks so much, Sharon Wilcox [email protected]

The very large Cemetery on the left is St. Agnes Cemetery, South Avenue & Valley Drive. I have no idea how long the sign has been there, but Walnut Grove Cemetery does have a sign now. A nice wooden carved sign. Walnut Grove Cemetery is located next to the Big M supermarket on South Ave. Further up the hill, going along Howlett Hill Road are two cemeteries next to each other. Loomis Hill Cemetery is on Howlett Hill & Harris Road. The Onondaga County Veteran's Memorial Cemetery is right next door. The Veteran's Cemetery has the information on Loomis Hill Cemetery. There is a Lynch Burial ground up on Onondaga Hill somewhere. (I'd love to find it sometime.) There may be other small cemeteries also. The Town of Onondaga will be very helpful with these cemeteries. Do check the website that someone else referred to with their reply. <A HREF="http://www.townononhist.org/"> http://www.townononhist.org/</A> Good luck Anne Ruggeri

About 3/4ths of the way to the top of the hill (right hand side going up) on Onondaga Hill Rd. in Syracuse, there is an old cemetery named "Walnut Grove Cemetery". My husbands family buried many relatives there from 1934 through the 1970's. I do not recall seeing a name for it posted at the entrance and probably, because of that, many people called it the cemetery up on Onondaga Hill which eventually got shortened to Onondaga Hill Cemetery. The correct name is "Walnut Grove Cemetery". Also, on the lower part of Onondaga Hill Road (left hand side going up) there is another very large cemetery. The name is unknown to me.

Carol, Are you referring to Loomis Hill Cemetery? It's on the corner of Onondaga Road and Howlett Hill Road, next to the Veterans Memorial Cemetery. I don't have a phone number for it, but you might try calling the veterans' cemetery at 484-1564. They may have some information on it. In my notes I have "1936 to present; active for another 100 years" but don't quote me on that, please. Hope this helps. Kathy McConnell DeFoster Kailua, Hawaii ps....are the leaves really beautiful there now?

Go to google.com. In the search box, type "town of onondaga historical society" (Be sure to include the quotation marks so that the hits don't include EVERY web site that contains ANY of these words .) The hits will take you to the Town of Onondaga Historical Society web site, which is a marvelous resource for those of us with family ties in the town of Onondaga. There are links to Records and Locations of Town of Onondaga cemeteries listed on the home page, among other things. You can spend many a happy hour exploring this web site. The TOHS is to be commended for making it available to us. Diane Wilson Flynn

Carol, There is an Onondaga Valley Cemetery. Go the Onondaga County USGENWEB Site, at http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyononda/INDEX.HTM You will see on the first page a button "Cemeteries". Click on that, and scroll down to Onondaga Valley Cemetery. Carl Hommel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Bain" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 12:25 PM Subject: [NYOnonda] Onondaga Hill Cemetery > Could anyone tell me if there is a cemetery called Onondaga Hill Cemetery? I have it in my "notes" that my gr gr grandfather's brother and family are buried there, but I don't know where it is or even if I have the correct name. Any info is greatly appreciated. > Best Always, > Carol Bain > [email protected] >

Could anyone tell me if there is a cemetery called Onondaga Hill Cemetery? I have it in my "notes" that my gr gr grandfather's brother and family are buried there, but I don't know where it is or even if I have the correct name. Any info is greatly appreciated. Best Always, Carol Bain [email protected]

As far as I know, not one person other than the columnist in the genealogical community, was contacted for their side of the story. This appears to be a unilateral decision with a survey that appeared to have a foregone conclusion or predetermined result. Let your voice ne heard! Jim Hartigan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy Fasoldt" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 8:00 AM Subject: Re: Genealogy Event announcements (releases) Hello, Jim, Nice to hear from you. I appreciate the time you spent to let me know how you feel about the genealogy column; you are not alone. I am taking note of all who write in favor of the column and will revisit the possibility of resuming it. Until such time as a final decision is made, please send your announcements to [email protected] and [email protected] Thank you for writing. Regards, Nancy Fasoldt Editor, Stars Magazine 1 Clinton Square Syracuse, NY 13201 (315) 470-3055 >>> "Jim Hartigan" <[email protected]> 10/25/03 06:46PM >>> URGENT! The following was pending for Sheila Byrnesn column. It should be a weekly since it is the world's number one hobby. So, in the meantime where do I send my genalogy course release (announcement) for publication in your newspaper and where and when will it be published??? James L. Hartigan LeMoyne College Course Facilitator Mermber & Board Member of CNY Genealogy Society Board member of The Irish American Cultural Intstitute CNY Chapter Member Of Onondaga Historical Association Volunteer at LDS Family History Center Member Town of Camillus Historical Society PS. I talked to you and your husband at the State Fair this year.

Indifference is a killer. Besides other things it kills genealogical columns, it kills record centers, it kills records, it kills cemeteries.......It's killing our kids. HONOR your ancestors by acting as a community. When a monoply newspaper unitlaterally decidedes to discontinue a beweekly genealogy column, we all lose! When kids vanadalize a cemetery we all lose! Use your voice, pen, e-mail, feet or you your heritage will continue to erode. Thanks, Jim hartigan

Thanks for replying to the LIST, Diane. Jim Hartigan ----- Original Message ----- From: D Thomas To: [email protected] ; Jim Hartigan Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 5:31 PM Subject: Re: St. Mary's Jim, Thank you for your responses. I will check into it when I next visit Syracuse. I've spend many hours up in that library in the past. I agree about teaching kids respect, moreso this current generation. I have a Rev. War ancestor buried in the cemetery in Dewitt, behind the fire department and the P & C. Beer parties seem to go on there always. I cried when I saw the ruins of toppled over monuments and trash. I complained to the town of Dewitt, which was like blowing in the wind! Deaf ears. I had suggested that perhaps P & C might put up motion detector lites in the back to illuminate the cemetery when an "intruder" approached. After all, cock roaches don't like the light. Yet when I declined the hill, wiping away tears a man approached me and said, "ya know there's a Rev. War veteran buried up there". I told him, I knew that and that he was an ancestor. I had come to put flowers up there, and couldn't believe the amount of rubble and beer bottles up there, ! as well as discarded underwear. I was appauled. I spoke to one fireman and he said they tried to keep an eye on the cemetery, chasing off kids that sometimes get up in there. There's no gate up that little hill. Even the Kinne Cemetery down the road has had stones knocked over and stones destroyed with baseball bats or the like. I think lessons need to be given to kids as our parents taught us. Absolutely no running in a cemetery, and we walked between the rows, not leapfrogging over the stones. Thanks for your time, Jim. I appreciate it. Dianne ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Hartigan To: D Thomas Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 2:03 AM Subject: Re: St. Mary's Diane: The cemetery on the hill with the wrought iron fence was prob. old St Mary's. If you arrange to meet with Carl Roesch at Diocesan Archives you will see the list of those buried there. I do not know what happened to indiv. head stones, etc. and there are no names on the monument at New St. mary's. I have a 1960's newspaper pix & article of how the diocese tried to communicate with the descendants of the dead, most of whom were never reached because they allowed the cemetery to become a briar patch, moved away, etc. but mostly indifference. A lot of our immigrant ancestors could barely afford the plot let alone a monument. The record was crude and poorly recorded with minimum info. But this & St Joseph's were the only consecrated ground for a 15 mile radius. St Joseph's is on the flats of the North Side and my knowledge of it is not as complete. Assumption cemetery has the common grave with the monument. I believe the local history room , 5th floor library & research room of Onon Hist Assoc. have that listing. If you want the whole story I suggest you post my reply and your reply to the list. Jim Hartigan Camillus, NY Old St. Mary's is covered by the VA hospital. The sore subject goes on because the machinery and low wage personnel used to maintain our cemeteries are slowly and prematurely wearing them down. When a monument is jostled or topples it is neglected in spite of perpetual care. INDIFFERENCE is a killer of cemeteries. This is an open invitation for beer parties etc.and further destruction by the younger generation who was not taught respect and to honor their ancestors. Jim H ----- Original Message ----- From: D Thomas To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:53 AM Subject: St. Mary's Jim, I remember as a child visiting these cemeteries with my mother. I was shocked to read this about the Catholic cemeteries!! My Mom was adopted after the death of her parents; both tragic. He was beheaded on the railroad track in East Syracuse a few months before my mother's birth. Her mother, was on the way to a Billy Sunday and was killed by a drunk driver, pushing another daughter out of the way of the vehicle. Anyway, her adopted parents were Catholic, and there were other friends I guess, that were buried in St. Mary's & St; Joseph's. I moved out of NY back in the 70's, then back to Syracuse in the '80s and out again in the 90's. Since I lived out in the suburbs, I really didn't know the city of Syracuse and where certain buildings were, even though I had worked for a few years in Syracuse, near the MONY towers. However, I did not know that St. Marys & St. Joe's sold off the property. I had been brought to St. Mary's hospital with a school injury. Was the cemetery next to the hospital?? Were either of these cemeteries on a slight hill with black wrought iron fencing? I have this continual dream about this cemetery and my mom visiting it, but I am not sure what cemetery it was. The common monument you mentioned, could you tell me more about it? Are all the names and information listed on the monument? Were all the old headstones just .... destroyed? Is there something more I can find out/ read about these changes at the cemetery? I'm seeing more and more of that happening, especially when town/city expansion is lucrative. They recently dug up an old slave cemetery in MD, removing only a small number of "caskets" to make way for more townhouse. Yet someone I know, stated he had walked that cemetery years ago and presented a copy to the historical society as well as the local library and he had the only other copy. Well, his son went to the H.S. and the library where they were donated, and guess what.... no copies to be found. They said they never had record of donation of that information. Politics, I'm sure. Sorry to go on, but this is becoming a very sore subject to me, cemeteries being sold when the "deeds" for the plots of land were already given to others. We, and family generations before, have paid for our plots; our stones, perpetual care, that I find isn't perpetual at all, etc. and there is no comfort in knowing that the grandchildren may not be able to find their families even a few years from their own burials. So, if you could guide me as to where to find out more about these cemeteries, I would be grateful. Perhaps on my next visit to Syracuse in the Spring, I can look into it more, if I knew where to begin. Thanks for your time. Dianne Thomas

The Arion Club is alive and well. My brother-in-law is a member. They sold the building on the North Side, I believe to a church. The following info is from their web site: <A HREF="http://homepage.mac.com/cparada/GML/Arion2.html">Arion</A> Singing Society was organized on July 4, 1896, as a non-profit organization that promotes German culture and activities in Central New York. In the year 2000, the name was changed to The German American Society of Central New York to reflect the many varied activities of the Club. The main purpose of our organization is to promote the German heritage and traditions. We have social activities throughout the year to promote the camaraderie of club members, including an annual <A HREF="http://greatsyracuseoktoberfest.com/">Oktoberfest celebration.</A>The German American Society of Central New York meets at the Syracuse Turners, <A HREF="http://maps.yahoo.com/pmaps?csz=Syracuse%2BNY%2B13208&state=&uzip=&ds=g&name=Syracuse%2BTurners%2BInc&desc=(315)%20471-9851&ed=GmNHIep_0TrdH9rm6wxCS2Us4WTuL.vqkl1PYeZv3H2mo9m_Ii9rLhDFh6HbkDXzvwDJOatvLrrTLfl1NzgWjwQ9t5sb8VdWSOKY2XE5o0E-&BFClick=&BFKey=&resize=s&mag=8">619 N. Salina Street</A>, every third Thursday evening of the month. <A HREF="http://germanamericanscny.org/application/index.htm">Membership</A> is $15 per year. A few years ago when my husband and I were visiting in Syracuse we went to a dance at the Arion Club. When I told our daughter that we went to a dance at the Arion Club, she was horrified--thought we were going to a dance at the Aryan Club. My b-i-l's parents emigrated from Germany and he is proud of his German heritage. Club members recently helped refurbish the Schiller and Goethe monument. My Haberer and Bloss ancestors emigrated from Germany in the 1830's and descendants dropped their German affiliations during World War I. Kay Timmons

I have collected some information on old St. Joseph's Cemetery (now gone) at my webpage, http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mstone/cemeteries.html thanks to the efforts and generous research contributions of Norman C. Staub, Sr. More info will be posted there soon. Contributions of this sort are much appreciated, and will benefit others. I cannot get up to Syracuse very often, as I live in Georgia, but I am happy to post info like this with a German slant. Michelle Stone "German Immigrant Ancestors in Syracuse & Onondaga Co., NY" http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mstone/