OHA Holdings may be found at:nysl.nysed.gov Choose HDI Enter Onondaga Historrical Association {852} and your search term Lib. of Congress bibliographic catalogue: http://lcweb.loc.gov/coll/nucmc/rlinsearch.html Also Central New York Genealogical Society Http://www.rootsweb.com/~nycnygs Happy thanksgiving,The County packets contain all pre-1860 abstracted primary & secondary source records like Bible, Marriage, Ministerial,, Newspaper, Letters testamentary,wills, guardianships, notebooks, letters of admin., Baptismal,, deaths, cemetery, doctors and ministers day book records, to name most. The fact that ther are 48 conties in upstate NY with county packets and that thet straddle all the upstate migration routes, speaks for itself. You get any of the info abstracted from 1961 thru the current issue of "TREE TALKS". The price is determined by the quantity of data contained in the packet. I do not know of any other treasure like this covering one of our nations premiere migratory states. The balance of the packets are being indexed by a large group of volunteers and each index will appear at http//:www.rootsweb.com/~nycnygs so that you can make a more informed puchase decision, or take a chance that you will know you covered additional sources in the proce! ss! Jim Hartigan, member, CNYGS

I have uncovered three certificates relative to the schooling of my grandfather, and I am in hopes that there is someone familiar enough with the system at that time to expand on other than the obvious. All three of the certificates are issued by the University of the State of New York, with information certified by the "Principal of Phoenix Union School". The first, issued in Jun 1893 (when he was 16) says that he completed the examinations required for admission to academic standing (subjcts listed), and was now an "Academic Student". The second was issued in March 1895, says that he completed examinations for some stated subjects, and was now a "Junior Academic Student". The third was issued in June of 1895 (same year as above) and is called a "30 Count Certificate". It says that he attained 75% on a list of 13 subjects that were not crossed off of a list of 55. I assume that all of this means he was what we would call a high school graduate today?

Youdo not have to wait 6 months for an Albany exact copy of the original. Ask some kind soul to get the cert # from the index fiche at various loc. incl 5th floor local hx room, and some kind soul will drop your paper work with cert # off at the counter in Albany and you will have it inside of 3 weeks, An exact copy of the original is the only kind worth paying $22 for. Jim hartigan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karla VF Staudt" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2003 10:19 AM Subject: Fw: [NYOnonda] Death Certificate Needed > Hi, It isn't quite as bad as Jim says, however it is close! He is correct > that to obtain a copy of a death certificate at all without the 50 yr. > waiting period, you either must be a direct descendant or go through an > attorneys office. > > First of all, since you are a direct line descendant you can apply in > writing yourself (you just have to state HOW you are a granddaughter and it > doesn't hurt to provide Xerox copies for proof, as well as a photo copy of > your driver's license), without having to wait for the 50 year waiting > period (privacy act). By law they are not required to give you a certified > copy unless you are a spouse or child UNLESS there is a medical or legal > need for a certified copy. A genealogical copy is exactly the same > information, just not embossed with the seal of the office. > > In NY older death certificates are filed by TOWN (like a township in most > counties) and you can request an "original" copy there, as well as from the > state. Since you know the location of death, you should be able to figure > out which Town it is in. There is a fee involved, and believe it or not, it > can and does vary by Town, so call the Town office ahead of time and ask > what the fee plus mailing will cost you. BY LAW they are required to > provide the copy to you, but many balk and can be a royal pain (others are > extremely nice and courteous!). You can let them know (if they balk) that > you will call the Commissioner of the Dept. of Vital Records and report them > (be sure and get their name before you tell them this!). > > There is more information you can read about at: > http://genealogy.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.health.state.ny.us/nysdoh/consumer/vr/genform.htm > > and a link where you can print a formal copy of the request from a PDF > (Acrobat File) (this is the > form for the state) > > http://www.health.state.ny.us/nysdoh/vr/applications/wdh1562.pdf > > I have waited up to a year for a copy from NY State, the towns are usually > much quicker - often a week or two after they receive your request. > > Another alternative is that if you contact the funeral home where your > grandfather was taken, often they too have a death certificate in their > files that they will copy for you. > > I hope that some part of this will help you. >

Hi, It isn't quite as bad as Jim says, however it is close! He is correct that to obtain a copy of a death certificate at all without the 50 yr. waiting period, you either must be a direct descendant or go through an attorneys office. First of all, since you are a direct line descendant you can apply in writing yourself (you just have to state HOW you are a granddaughter and it doesn't hurt to provide Xerox copies for proof, as well as a photo copy of your driver's license), without having to wait for the 50 year waiting period (privacy act). By law they are not required to give you a certified copy unless you are a spouse or child UNLESS there is a medical or legal need for a certified copy. A genealogical copy is exactly the same information, just not embossed with the seal of the office. In NY older death certificates are filed by TOWN (like a township in most counties) and you can request an "original" copy there, as well as from the state. Since you know the location of death, you should be able to figure out which Town it is in. There is a fee involved, and believe it or not, it can and does vary by Town, so call the Town office ahead of time and ask what the fee plus mailing will cost you. BY LAW they are required to provide the copy to you, but many balk and can be a royal pain (others are extremely nice and courteous!). You can let them know (if they balk) that you will call the Commissioner of the Dept. of Vital Records and report them (be sure and get their name before you tell them this!). There is more information you can read about at: http://genealogy.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.health.state.ny.us/nysdoh/consumer/vr/genform.htm and a link where you can print a formal copy of the request from a PDF (Acrobat File) (this is the form for the state) http://www.health.state.ny.us/nysdoh/vr/applications/wdh1562.pdf I have waited up to a year for a copy from NY State, the towns are usually much quicker - often a week or two after they receive your request. Another alternative is that if you contact the funeral home where your grandfather was taken, often they too have a death certificate in their files that they will copy for you. I hope that some part of this will help you.

The address is: Vital Records Section New York State Department of Health PO Box 2602 Albany, NY 12220-2602 (if you want a photocopy) If you are willing to take a transcript, you can order it from Syracuse and it would be faster. Office of Vital Statistics 421 Montgomery Street Room 20 Basement Civic Center Syracuse, NY 13202 Both places charge $22 if they find the record or not. Now for the bad news. New York has a 50 year delay on death certificates unless you can prove you are related. I do not know what kind of proof they require - my mothers birth certificate does not have the right name for my grandmother who died in 1987 so I gave up. Good Luck. I have had some nice responses from other counties in NY but the ones I ordered from the state last April have still not been sent. Joyce in San Antonio,TX P.S. There are some people that live in Albany, that will for a small fee, go over and file it for you and I understand it only takes a couple weeks that way. You might want to try the mailing list for Albany to locate someone. ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 7:42 PM Subject: [NYOnonda] Death Certificate Needed I need to request a death certificate for my grandfather who died at the Van Duyn Memorial Home and Hospital in Syracuse in 1970. Can someone tell me the address to write for this and the required fee? Thanks!

Hopefully you will insist on an exact copy from Albany rather than a trsnscribed cop from the county. You will have to apply for it because there is a fifty year waiting period with the exception of direct line descendants & atty's etc. Jim Hartigan ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2003 8:42 PM Subject: [NYOnonda] Death Certificate Needed > I need to request a death certificate for my grandfather who died at the Van > Duyn Memorial Home and Hospital in Syracuse in 1970. Can someone tell me the > address to write for this and the required fee? Thanks! >

I need to request a death certificate for my grandfather who died at the Van Duyn Memorial Home and Hospital in Syracuse in 1970. Can someone tell me the address to write for this and the required fee? Thanks!

Am willing to do Chicago IL Tribune obit lookups in trade for obit lookups that I need. I need obit lookups for the following Faxon, Adolphus d) 05/15/1873 in NY-Baldwinsville, Onondaga Co Faxon, Sarah Allen d) 05/21/1852 in NY-Baldwinsville, Onondaga Co Hurlbut, Samuel d) 06/11/1815 in NY-Fabius, Onondaga Co Gilson, Lydia Montague d) Abt. 1819 in NY-Marcellus, Onondaga Co Cooley, Lewis d) 02/04/1857 in NY-Pompey, Onondaga Co Cooley, Sophia Brewer d) 12/31/1867 in NY-Pompey, Onondaga Co Rubado, Ronald Burton d) 6/22/1980 in NY-Syracuse, Onodoga Co, John Noble Hospital Cooley, Elizabeth Adams d) Abt. 1863 in NY-Syracuse, Onondaga Co Cooley, Levi d) Bef. 1850 in NY-Syracuse, Onondaga Co Rubado, Nelson Louis d) 11/24/1981 in NY-Syracuse, Onondoga Co PLEASE EMAIL ME PRIVATELY AT [email protected] Jim Dlask 4538 N Avers Chicago IL 60625

----- Original Message ----- From: "ElizabethAnn" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2003 6:13 AM Subject: [NYJEFFER] New 1941 Map LaRaysville NY > During the expansion of Fort Drum, New York in the > early 1940's numerous properties were acquired by the > government. This expansion resulted in the loss of the > villages: LeRaysville, Sterlingville, and Woods Mills. > This is the first of 3 maps that will depict those > "lost villages" as they existed in 1941. > > Click on the map to see it full size. Please be > patient as this map is rather large. Also if you click > on a numbered circle on the full map, you will see the > property owner as listed in the 1941 Tax Rolls. > > http://www.nnygenealogy.com/FortDrum/leraysvilleMain.htm > [email protected] > > > ===== > Rejoyce in the Lord > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard > http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

To those who wrote me asking for the responses I recieved I sent the one that seemed to have the most information to the list and now I'm adding this one that gives quite a good website. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cliffamere/Guide.htm Again thanks to all who took the time to reply. Gretchen __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree

I spent hours upon hours at the Archives in Albany over the summer - not to mention those in the spring and I visited there again last month. ( I live only about 1 hr 20 minutes from Albany) Records begin at 1880. The records for 1880 are almost non existent - they get better in 81 - then 82 and pretty soon they become much better. The reason - many towns did not comply with the law in 1880 - it took a few years to get everybody on the same page. You go to the NYS Library - adjacent the Mall Plaza - it's on the 3rd floor - you sign in - get a locker - in the second room - someone will meet you and assign you a machine. They will show you were the records are and show you how to use the machine if needed. There are 3 boxes - Births - Marriages and Deaths - you're given a placer card - you insert in the envelope as you take a microfiche card out. When you find a record you want - you fill out a paper. New procedures from August - when you're all done - you fill out an envelope - write a check - add the paper with the info in the index and put it in a box which is taken to the new site records are kept. ( you no longer go to the concourse level like you used to before August) That's it. It takes about 2 weeks. Costs $22. In addition to the Archives you also have the NYS Library on the 7th floor. They have a nice genealogy section - including Census on some NYS census on Microfilm. You can also get some of the same - Census - and NYS Census - at the Albany Public Library. Don't know where you're coming from but NARA Pittfields is not far from Albany - probably less that an hour - or certainly not any more than an hour. An easy drive - they have all sort of things. BUT for Death Certificates - Marriage Permits & Birth - you have to go to Albany only. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree

In a message dated 11/11/2003 12:46:45 PM Hawaiian Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > If someone can help me re how to find graves or obituaries -- or find birth > records in Onondaga County around 1812 -- or how to look for wills, I would > greatly appreciate it. My searches of internet cemetery and other sites have > been fruitless except for the info I have provided. Margaret, Finding information from that era in NY can be difficult, if not impossible. Some of the most useful information I've obtained on my 4x great-grandparents came from the death certificate of one of their children who was not my direct line. My 3x great-grandfather died in 1849 and there was no documentation on his death, but his younger brother lived to a ripe old age (died in 1909). His death certificate, which I obtained from the town clerk, contained the birth places of both of his parents. This was done the old-fashioned way, by snail mail. Another way to find the birth location for persons born in NY state is to check the NY state census. Starting in 1855, every household member is named with their age, their birth place (if NY, the county) and the number of years they resided in the town or city in which they are enumerated. So if Philo Goodrich was alive in 1855 and living in NY state, you have a good chance of finding out the county in which he was born. It has been my experience that the state census is not always indexed; check with the local historical society and/or genealogy society in the town or county of your interest to see if it has been done. A good source for NY wills is SAMPUBCO (http://sampubco.com/). Good luck. Kathy McConnell DeFoster Kailua, Hawaii Former Syracusan

Jim Any help would certainly be much appreciated, but I should clarify that my Hickey ancestors are in Chase Cemetery. What interests me in St. Mary's Cemetery is that Mary Shea Hickey was buried there, and quite possibly her parents, 10 siblings, her uncle and his 4+ kids, and her grandfather. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Hartigan" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 10:54 PM Subject: Re: [NYOnonda] Address for Kathy Crowell > The Town of Van Buren Historian is very helpful. But his list does not > conatain approx last 30 years. The Church of St. Mary's has always been > helpful to me, Tom. > I could take ride out there to the cemetery for you and pay my respects to > my people at the same time. I think, if memory seves me, they are not far > from a Hickey monument. It's been a while I better go before it snows > heavily. > Jim Hartigan > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Thomas Hickey" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 10:43 PM > Subject: [NYOnonda] Address for Kathy Crowell > > > > Under the list of cemeteries on the Onondaga site of USGenWeb is an offer > by > > Kathy Crowell to do lookups in a book for St. Mary's Cemetery in > > Baldwinsville. When I tried to respond to the address included, the > message > > bounced back as no such mailbox. Does anyone have a current address for > > her? > > > > >

Hello all, I am seeking assistance from someone locally. I am trying to determine whether or not an Elisha HALL in Oswego Bitters Cemetery (see below) is related to my HALL's (http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyononda/PHOTOS/hall/hall.html) In addition to the HALL's listed in the DAR's records, I have determined from other sources that my Jeremiah and Mary are also there. What I am wondering about is the proximity of Elisha HALL's grave to my other HALL's and would be willing to enlist the services of someone to actually go there and see. Any recommendations or info is greatly appreciated! Thanks--Jeffrey Franks, Copley, Ohio >From the DAR list: HALL, George W., son of J. W. and Mary. Died July 31st, 1848. Aged 4 years and 6 months. HALL, Joel A., son of J. W. and Mary HALL. Died August 4th, 1848. Aged 8 months and 13 days. HALL, Elisha. Died December 19th, 1847. Aged 89 years. D.A.R. Cemetery Records, Vol. 39 Inscriptions copied from Tombstones in the Cemetery located on Lot Number Sixty-Three of the Town of Camillus, County of Onondaga, and State of New York, known locally as the Oswego Bitters Cemetery. Copied by Caroline Edith Hall, of To-Whan-Ta-Qua Chapter, D.A.R. of Syracuse, NY.

The Town of Van Buren Historian is very helpful. But his list does not conatain approx last 30 years. The Church of St. Mary's has always been helpful to me, Tom. I could take ride out there to the cemetery for you and pay my respects to my people at the same time. I think, if memory seves me, they are not far from a Hickey monument. It's been a while I better go before it snows heavily. Jim Hartigan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Hickey" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 10:43 PM Subject: [NYOnonda] Address for Kathy Crowell > Under the list of cemeteries on the Onondaga site of USGenWeb is an offer by > Kathy Crowell to do lookups in a book for St. Mary's Cemetery in > Baldwinsville. When I tried to respond to the address included, the message > bounced back as no such mailbox. Does anyone have a current address for > her? > >

----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Hickey" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 10:43 PM Subject: [NYOnonda] Address for Kathy Crowell > Under the list of cemeteries on the Onondaga site of USGenWeb is an offer by > Kathy Crowell to do lookups in a book for St. Mary's Cemetery in > Baldwinsville. When I tried to respond to the address included, the message > bounced back as no such mailbox. Does anyone have a current address for > her? > >

Many thanks to all who answered. I really appreciate all your help. This is a great list! Gretchen __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree

I believe my ancestor, Giles Goodrich, Sr., moved to Onondaga County sometime after 1800, and is in the 1810 and 1820 census data. In 1820, he is listed as living in Cicero. I believe he may have died in the 1820's (He would have been 65 in 1820.) If his first wife was still with him, her name was Hannah Stanclift Goodrich. I have previously tried cemetery look-ups, but don't really have any idea if I am looking in all the right places for Cicero. Giles and Hannah would have come to Onondaga from Middlesex County, CT -- maybe I should see if they are buried back in CT? Also, the Kathy Crowell mentioned in today's mail wrote a history of Manlius stating that a Giles Goodrich Jr. sold land in Manlius in 1810 (but I also had my email to her bounce). The ONLY two Giles Goodrich's in the entire U.S. census data base for the period 1810-1850 are listed in New York. And the only one before that was the one in CT in 1790 and 1800. I am trying to verify the birth of Philo Goodrich to Giles Goodrich Jr. in 1812 -- and I believe he was still in Onondaga County at the time. (I believe he is in Orange County in the 1830-1950 census data.) If someone can help me re how to find graves or obituaries -- or find birth records in Onondaga County around 1812 -- or how to look for wills, I would greatly appreciate it. My searches of internet cemetery and other sites have been fruitless except for the info I have provided. I live in New Mexico -- would try to plan a trip back east next year if it makes sense to do so. (So near, yet so far!) (g) Thanks for any assistance! Margaret Goodrich Hodge --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.538 / Virus Database: 333 - Release Date: 11/10/2003

Today it is time to show up at a local Veterans Memorial Event in your community. It is more important today to show we care to Vets & our troops who may live to become VETS> Pleas get connected to these Men & Women who give so much of themselves for us. Go to a ceremony and personally say thank you with a hand shake. Jim Hartigan Camillus, NY

You may want to contact the Baldwinsville Public Library if you are unable to reach Kathy. They are very helpful. Here is their email: [email protected] I have the Lesley Voorhees Record Vol I, but the St. Mary's cemetery is not included in that volume. Let me know if I can help with any of the others in Baldwinsville. Teresa Henslee-Downer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Hickey" <[email protected]> To: <> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 10:43 PM Subject: [NYOnonda] Address for Kathy Crowell > Under the list of cemeteries on the Onondaga site of USGenWeb is an offer by > Kathy Crowell to do lookups in a book for St. Mary's Cemetery in > Baldwinsville. When I tried to respond to the address included, the message > bounced back as no such mailbox. Does anyone have a current address for > her? > > >