Does anyone know if the burial records for Pompey Hill Cemetery are on line. I am looking for members of the Holsmann /Holzmann etc. families who may be buried there. If online records are not available I would be willing to reimburse SKS for their expense and time in checking the cemetery for any of the Holzmann family members buried there. Thank you, Ron, Ohio

Some years ago, when we visited Syracuse seeking marriage info, we went to (new) St. Mary's RC Church. We were cordially received and got a wealth of info, without being rushed, from: Fr. Carl H. Roesch, Archivist Diocese of Syracuse 240 East Onondaga St. Syracuse, NY If Fr. Roesch is no longer there, someone else will be carrying on the work. This can all be done by mail, perhaps now even e-mail, but if in the Syracuse area, it would be best to go there in person. They will know if anyone else has inquired about marriage you are researching! Fr. Roesch explained to us that Catholics in the area had to go to Syracuse to get married - because it was the only church in the area. Priests periodically visited the towns for the purpose of baptizing babies. We got a better understanding of what life was like in the 1850's, thanks to Fr. Roesch. We also visited the Onondago Historical Association, 316 Montgomery St., Syracuse, NY 13202. At that time, they were severely restricted by lack of funds and equipment. They did have a very knowledgeable and helpful historian who did everything possible to help us. She gave us the names and addresses of Town Historians where we could get more info. Unfortunately, at that time, every town did not have an Historian (they were all volunteers). The Onondaga Historical Association had those important NYS censuses (1855), but they had no copying machine. Mrs. Sylvia Shoebridge, Town Historian, Pompey Historical Society, with no prior notice, invited us into her historic home, which is now a museum, and gave us much information. Mrs. Shoebridge was anxious to share and provide so much info that was passed down from her ancestors in Pompey. You are fortunate indeed if you have ancestors that lived in Pompey, as everything has been recorded, with town maps, businesses, and published Pompey history. Mrs. Shoebridge is now retired, but someone else will be carrying on the work. My husband remembers from his childhood that his grandparents took him "home" to Pompey. Jack remembers that they visited kin, but he remembers nothing about them (alas). What impressed him most, as a child, were the wooden plank sidewalks - and, he really beamed when Mrs. Shoebridge told us about the historic wooden plank sidewalks. It is our hope that we will be contacted by family from the Pompey area. We had a great visit to Syracuse and took home a lot of information and have good memories. As is the case in all libraries, and societies suffering with shortage of funds and volunteers, it is best to call or write ahead and at least find which days and hours they can be visited. Margaret Crandall in SC

Anne - I think every Corcoran family named a son "Patrick", as there are so many of them it is difficult to sort them out. With us, it was easy. We knew Our Corcoran-Haster were married in Syracuse, and St. Mary's is doing a lot of work in their archives and transcribing all of their marriage records. They gave us the date of the marriage, 7 June 1855, and the names of the witnesses. We hope those clues will lead to something. Nothing yet. I don't know if all of the Corcorans are related. If you know which Parish your Patrick was born, you should be able to find his parents. In our case, we have the exact date of birth, but only the name County Mayo - the most populous county in Ireland. We need to know the name of the Parish. I am not familiar with Orville or Dewitt. If your Patrick was married in Syracuse, St. Mary's, it will be easy for you to get the info. Do you know how your Patrick got to NY? We have not found our Patrick on any passenger lists for NY or anyplace in US, although there are many by the name of Patrick Corcoran. We will search for an entry from Canada to NY. I hope that we can trade info as we get it. Regards, Margaret

I am looking for info about Harriett H. ELLIS, the daughter of Jonas P. ELLIS and Huldah BOWEN. The ELLIS family lived in Syracuse, Onondaga County. Jonas and Huldah also had a son, James H. ELLIS, who died while in his teens, and is buried with his parents in the Manlius Village Cemetery, Onondaga County. Harriett was born about 1836. Her father, Jonas, born 1818, Milford, Otsego County, NY, left her the family Bible in his will. I am especially interested in the family Bible because it may contain information about the ancestors of Jonas's father, Christopher ELLIS, who was born in RI or MA in 1783 and moved to Milford, Otsego County, New York State and married about 1800. Christopher's ancestors have been a brick wall for years. Thank you for any help with info about this ELLIS family and/or their family Bible. Thanks very much! Jayne [email protected]

We are searching for any info regarding these individuals: Patrick Corcoran, b 5 May 1835 Ireland (County Mayo) Catherine Haster b 15 Dec 1837 Ireland (somewhere) They were married 7 June 1855 at St. Mary's in Syracuse; Patrick was 20, Catherine was 17. The witnesses were: Mich. Dooland and Margarita Fergus. We don't know if they left Ireland alone - or if they were together - perhaps without parents or siblings - or how it is that they came to Syracuse. We suspect there was already kin in the area. We have not been able to find them in the 1840 census. The 1860 Census has the family (2 children, John and Mary) in The Town of Pompey. Patrick Corcoran was a blacksmith and served in the Civil War; later the family moved and settled in Elbridge, Oceana Co. MI. We would appreciate any clues about Corcoran, Haster, Dooland and Fergus. Thank you, Margaret Crandall in SC

I am looking for ABNER (or Abnor) FARRINGTON (b. circa 1810). He married Sarah or Sally Johnson (b. circa 1812) and they had two sons, Adrian Farrington (b. circa 1836) and Mortimer (b. circa 1840). The 1850 U.S.A. Census found Sally (Sarah) Farrington (age 38, born in NY) and her children (Adrian (age 14, born in NY, attending school) and Mortimer (age 10, born in NY, attending school)) living in Mentz Township, Cayuga County, New York State. Hope someone can help. Cheers, Bill _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca

Hi... Happy New Year! I'm new to the list. Hoping someone will have info on the following family found on 1910 and 1920 census in Syracuse, Onondaga Co., NY. Frank S. TROUTMAN Born: June 1849, New York Parents: Joel TROUTMAN and Louisa OSMAN* Marr: Cornelia Died: btn. 1920 - 1930 Between 1900 and 1910 Frank & his family moved from Seneca Falls, Seneca Co., NY. Cornelia (maiden name Unknown) TROUTMAN Born: June 1852, New York Died: after 1930, probably Syracuse where she lived Known children: (all living in Syracuse, except Oliver) Joel TROUTMAN, b. Oct 1873 marr. Mildred Marie/Mary A. TROUTMAN b. Nov 1877 w/mother in 1930 Oliver W. TROUTMAN b. Aug 1880 (probably in Michigan 1930) Louis TROUTMAN b. Sep 1883 marr. Edith Louisa (OSMAN) TROUTMAN* is most likely my 3rd great grandaunt. I have some of her ancesry to share. - Again, I would like any knowledge about this family. Does anyone know about a library in Syracuse that I could send for obituaries? Any historical societies there that would help? Any other ideas appreciated. Thank you, Bev in Calif.

There is another resource that could help. Earlier in the Fall, I purchased an interesting CD-ROM at the Buffalo NYGBS mini-convention downtown. It is an every name index of Tree Talks from 1961-2001. It was not free; I think I paid about $40 for it. Here's info from the introductory PDF to the index: "Welcome to Index to Tree Talks County Packets, Every Name Index to County Packets, 1961-2001 published in CNYGS Tree Talks. The information published covered the period 1652-1978. The Central New York Genealogical Society began its quarterly, Tree Talks, in June 1961 with the goal of presenting abstracts of pre-1850 records of historical and genealogical interest. Coverage, by 2001, includes forty-nine of the state's sixty-two counties." "Index to Tree Talks County Packets, Every Name Index to County Packets 1961-2001,CNYGS Tree Talks, 1652-1978" by Arthur C. M. Kelly, KINSHIP" You load the CD into your computer and use the Search capabilities of Adobe Acrobat in order to search the index. Works real well. Bill Pomeroy -----Original Message----- From: Marty [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 6:16 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [NYOnonda] Index for Oneida County CNYGS packet? For info of all, the following was received from Diana J. Law, County Packets Coordinator, CNYGS: ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Your message has been forwarded to me as I am working with a group of volunteers who are endeavoring to index our County Packets. It is no small task as we are including much more information than most indices contain. Oneida County has just this week been issued to one of our volunteers to index over the winter. It is a slow process as it then goes to pre-proofing and proofing before being released. So that is the bad news. We have many counties that are being worked on in these different phases. The good news is that once an index is completed, it is available and is free to those who visit our website. We will of course make it available for sale if requested but we feel very good to be offering this information gratis. We currently have Franklin and Allegany Counties on the website. Clinton and Chenango are proofed and are waiting for their number to roll up on our webmaster's schedule. Wyoming is 95% done so it is soon to be released as well.

I live in San Antonio, TX so I do not have first hand knowledge but I am also researching family in Syracuse so I know how you can get this information if no one else can help you. The Mormon church has microfilmed all the Syracuse City Directories up to 1935 and for a small fee you can see and copy them. These will hava a map that shows the wards and streets; an alphabetical name list with address and occupation; and also a list of all the Catholic churches with their addresses. These city directories are wonderful. Some of the later ones gave death dates and the duplex ones have listings by address so you can see who the neighbors were. All adult men were listed and all women who worked or were widowed (the later ones give the wifes name with the husbands listing). They also listed the address where the person worked. If you are not familiar with these microfilm, the Family Histoy Libraries are located in the Mormon churches. You can locate the one nearest you by checking at: http://www.familysearch.org this is also a wonderful web site for research. They are very helpful and you do not have to belong to that church to use the library but the film must be ordered and viewed at the library. Happy Hunting. Joyce PS - I was born in Syracuse and St. Agnes Cemetery is a huge place on the side of the hill just past Elmwood on the way to Onondaga Hill. I think it is the largest Catholic cemetery in the city. ----- Original Message ----- From: Annamarie Hessman (Aine Maire Hesnan) To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 11:09 PM Subject: [NYOnonda] Syracuse Questions: 1880 Wards, Irish Catholic Patterns Dear list, One of my great-grandmothers was born in Syracuse. I have found her family in most of the 1860+ censes, but I'm not sure exactly when her father died. I have a few questions that maybe someone who knows Syracuse well can answer for me. Question 1. I believe I have found her father in the 1890 Civil War Schedule to the Census, at 911 Mulberry Street. With a little google research, I'm guessing that is now 911 South State Street. In the 1880 Census the family lived in Ward 5. Can someone verify for me if the address known as '911 Mulberry Street' in Syracuase in 1890 would have been in Ward 5 in 1880? Question 2. Our family history records say that his wife was buried in St. Agnes Cemetery in 1889. The family is found in Ward 5 in 1880 & 1870, and in Ward 7 in 1860. The father was (William Leonard LILLY) was an Irish (Roman Catholic) famine immigrant, and the mother (Elizabeth RANDALL) was born in Canada to a British soldier and a Quebequois woman. The marriage was in Syracuse in 1850, and the children were all raised Catholic and born between 1854 and 1873. Can someone out there who knows Syracuse well comment on likely parishes to contact looking for baptismal, marriage & death records, given the information above? I know so little about Syracuse and its history, and I'm not having good look spelunking on the web for Catholic information for Syracuse. Thanks in advance, ----------------- Annamarie Hessman [email protected]

Dear list, One of my great-grandmothers was born in Syracuse. I have found her family in most of the 1860+ censes, but I'm not sure exactly when her father died. I have a few questions that maybe someone who knows Syracuse well can answer for me. Question 1. I believe I have found her father in the 1890 Civil War Schedule to the Census, at 911 Mulberry Street. With a little google research, I'm guessing that is now 911 South State Street. In the 1880 Census the family lived in Ward 5. Can someone verify for me if the address known as '911 Mulberry Street' in Syracuase in 1890 would have been in Ward 5 in 1880? Question 2. Our family history records say that his wife was buried in St. Agnes Cemetery in 1889. The family is found in Ward 5 in 1880 & 1870, and in Ward 7 in 1860. The father was (William Leonard LILLY) was an Irish (Roman Catholic) famine immigrant, and the mother (Elizabeth RANDALL) was born in Canada to a British soldier and a Quebequois woman. The marriage was in Syracuse in 1850, and the children were all raised Catholic and born between 1854 and 1873. Can someone out there who knows Syracuse well comment on likely parishes to contact looking for baptismal, marriage & death records, given the information above? I know so little about Syracuse and its history, and I'm not having good look spelunking on the web for Catholic information for Syracuse. Thanks in advance, ----------------- Annamarie Hessman [email protected]

For info of all, the following was received from Diana J. Law, County Packets Coordinator, CNYGS: ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Your message has been forwarded to me as I am working with a group of volunteers who are endeavoring to index our County Packets. It is no small task as we are including much more information than most indices contain. Oneida County has just this week been issued to one of our volunteers to index over the winter. It is a slow process as it then goes to pre-proofing and proofing before being released. So that is the bad news. We have many counties that are being worked on in these different phases. The good news is that once an index is completed, it is available and is free to those who visit our website. We will of course make it available for sale if requested but we feel very good to be offering this information gratis. We currently have Franklin and Allegany Counties on the website. Clinton and Chenango are proofed and are waiting for their number to roll up on our webmaster's schedule. Wyoming is 95% done so it is soon to be released as well.

Has an index been published for the Oneida County CNYGS packet yet? If so, how can I order one? Thanks. Marty Irons

I hope this works for everyone.... » More From The Post-Standard Wish lists of genealogists short, sweet December 21, 2003 By Sheila Byrnes Contributing writer Are you still searching for a gift for the genealogist on your list? We are easy to please and the greatest gifts cost very little and will delight your family researcher. Treasured gifts include a family photo, a copy of a birth, marriage, or death certificate, a family Bible, or a story telling how you met your spouse, where you lived as a youngster, your favorite holiday, or what gifts and foods you enjoyed to celebrate your family gatherings. Helpful office supplies include postage stamps, phone cards, manila folders, notebooks and archival, acid free sheet protectors (available at local office supply stores, Sams, and BJs). Or, a gift certificate to the local book store or subscription to a genealogical magazine. If your family researcher has ancestors in New England a gift membership subscription to New England Historic Genealogical Society ($75) makes a thoughtful and lasting gift. Visit online at www.NewEngland Ancestors.org or call toll-free (888) 296-3447. Queries from readers Q-1533: Looking for descendants of the JACOT family who lived just north of Mallory, Oswego County. I have information to share. - Robert Stanton, 4581 Ver Plank Road, Clay, NY 13041-8629 or 852-6091. Readers may submit queries, typewritten or printed, with a Central or upstate New York connection. Include name and date. Send queries to: Genealogy, Stars Magazine, The Post-Standard, Attention: Sheila Byrnes, P.O. Box 4915, Syracuse, NY 13221; or by e-mail to [email protected] © 2003 The Post-Standard. Used with permission.

I will post the links in this email, but will try to copy & paste the entire article in the next email post. This is the link I got when put in Genealogy as a search term under Newspaper Search for www.syracuse.com http://syracuse.com/search/index.ssf?sconfig=syr&count=20& xpath.pubdate=12%2F21%2F03+12%2F20%2F03+12%2F19%2F03+12%2F18%2F03+12%2F17%2F03+12%2F16%2F03+12%2F1 5%2F03+12%2F14%2F03+12%2F13%2F03+12%2F12%2F03+12%2F11%2F03+12%2F10%2F03+12%2F0 9%2F03+12%2F08%2F03&xpath.category_letter=&xpath.any=genealogy&x=17&y=9 This is the link to the direct page (the above link looks ridiculously long) http://syracuse.com/search/index.ssf?/base/living-0/1071654010192900.xml?syrlicny

In a message dated 12/21/2003 5:56:17 AM Hawaiian Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > > Hurry, look quick.... Sheila Byrnes has a very small column on page 28, > Can someone provide a link to the newspaper for those of us that don't live in Onondaga County? Mahalo and Mele Kalikimaka! Kathy McConnell DeFoster Kailua, Hawaii (formerly of Syracuse)

Hurry, look quick.... Sheila Byrnes has a very small column on page 28, column 1 of today's Stars Magazine. It even includes one Query & the address to submit more. Does this mean the Genealogy column is back? Let's hope so. Let's also hope it gets more than part of one column (like it has today). Gee, the Scrapbooking Column has 2 columns with a color picture..... I am still waiting for Nancy Fasoldt to return my phone call I made to her in support of the Genealogy Column's and its disappearance..... Happy Holidays Everyone!!! Hopefully you all get the gift of another ancestor and their family this year ;-) Anne Ruggeri Brewerton, NY

Hi, I live in New Zealand and have discovered that I have family that once lived in Onondaga. My second great grand uncles, [GGgrandfather's brothers] left Somerset, England abt 1855. Charles Templar in 1858, and he went to Ohio. Robert Templar lived in Onondaga for a while, and his wife Elizabeth died and was buried there. Their son Gilbert Templar married [1] Ellen Virginia Stephens, and [2] Anne May Otterbein. I believe that Gilbert was at Syracuse, and died there in 1931. Edward Lawrence Templar m Lucina L van Duser, or Dusey, their son Lawrence Edward Templar was born at Elbridge, Onondaga, 1885. He married Mary Safrona Kimberly ? their two sons b Manlius, Donald Lawrence, 1918, no idea who he married! Robert Henry, 1921. Robert m Mary Herberta James, Their son, James Edward looks to have been b Oneida, Madison Co, NY. I would like to find out about the family. For all these years we have not known where they went, or about descendents etc. Merry Christmas Phyllis Pearson [email protected]

Welcome to the list! I don't have the TEMPLAR surname. I did want to tell you however that many people from Somerset England came to Onondaga County. My Gregory, Oliver, and Clements families came in the 1840's to assist in growing teasel. The prickly spines on the teasel seeds were used in the weaving industry to lift the pile on the fabric after it was woven. Good luck in your search! I hope you find your family and new cousins that can help you even more! Happy Holidays Gayle in Kansas

How sad!!!! Having lived in the South off and on for the past 25 years, I was hit by the realization many years ago that the soldiers who fought for the Confederate forces and were killed, are not buried in the National cemeteries because they were considered enemy forces. There are confederate cemeteries all over the South, and many areas commemorate and entirely different "Memorial Day" dedicated to the Confederate soldiers. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 4:10 PM Subject: [NYOnonda] FYI - list Hi Shari -- sending this to list so they will all know also -- { including any TYPOS ] for lauraine - lol I spoke with a man at the National cemetery in Memphis a couple of years ago when looking for a soldier . He said the day they moved all the Union soldiers from Elmwood cemetery to National cemetery --> they had to write their names on the wooden boxs with chalk . It started to rain that day and most had to be buried as " unknown " . My ancestor was one of them . The confederates are supposedly still at Elmwood and elsewhere . sheri

Hi Shari -- sending this to list so they will all know also -- { including any TYPOS ] for lauraine - lol I spoke with a man at the National cemetery in Memphis a couple of years ago when looking for a soldier . He said the day they moved all the Union soldiers from Elmwood cemetery to National cemetery --> they had to write their names on the wooden boxs with chalk . It started to rain that day and most had to be buried as " unknown " . My ancestor was one of them . The confederates are supposedly still at Elmwood and elsewhere . sheri