very good question - hope the ans comes to the list -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 2:29 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [NYOnonda] "DAR Chapter" Is there a DAR chapter in Syracuse? If not what is the closest? Russ ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

Judy, I have a Rev John C. NICHOLS (b 11/10/1848) who married Julie E. LAIRD (b 12/21/1847). They were from Onondaga, also. In 1880, they lived in Otisco and had a son, Ralph, who was one year old. They are all buried at Elbridge Rural Cemetery. It appears that Ralph died in 1897. Let me know if you find a connection. That is all I know about them. Rodger Airey

Hi Ted and Judi A bit to add to the picture. Ann Cavanagh aged 21 years came from Co Cavan, Ireland about 1850/51 to New York (assumption) by herself, then met Charles Henry Baker from Van Buren, Onondaga Co (born c 1824 parents unknown) either possibly in New York or Van Buren, went together to San Francisco, probably overland, married there in 1852 (have details), and then sailed to Sydney, Australia where they settled. I am interested to hear from anyone about this couple, especially to learn of Baker's parents. What is a good book giving general history of NY around the early to mid 1800s? Grahame Thom Victoria, Australia on 21/1/04 12:24 PM, [email protected] at [email protected] wrote: > Hi, Ted, > I definately share your curiosity! > I've traced many ancestors who went from Onondaga Co, NY in the early > 1830's to various IL cities. The common denominator seemed to be cheap land > and > good jobs. For example, Jo Davies Co, IL had lead mines and paid top dollar > to young men who would work them. Further downstate, Knox Co, IL and Fulton > Co, IL offered cheap land...my 3rd Grt Grndfather, from Onondaga Co, NY paid > $1.00 an acre for his land in Fulton County. I've kept a list of some families > who went from Onondaga Co, NY to central Illinois. This includes individuals > named MILLER, OUDERKIRK, HARRIS, MCQUEEN, MALLORY, VARNOLD, STOCKWELL, VAN > HOUTEN, NICHOLS, SEWARD, JONES, BARBERO, LOOMIS, HUTTON, HOWARD, FINK, HOUSH, > HART, VAN PATTEN AND SUTTON. > I'm trying to trace the OUDERKIRKS & MILLERS from Lysander and Van > Buren, NY and would welcome any additional information on any of these > families. > Judi Goodwin > > > In a message dated 01/20/2004 3:44:04 PM Central Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: >> >> I have encountered many Irish families that appear to have followed a common >> pattern of migration: >> a.. Mayo to NY, Lewis and Onondaga counties (Near Syracuse), particularly >> in the late 1840s >> b.. NY to IL, Rockford/Galena area (Winnebago and Jo Davies counties), >> sometimes for only a few years >> c.. IL to MN, Fillmore county (Wykoff, Fountain) >> Some families skipped Rockford, and others never got to MN, but the pattern >> seems pretty clear. >> >> Family names I have seen in this pattern include: O'HARA, LANGAN, MULROY, >> CUMMINGS, MALIA >> >> I would like to hear from anyone who can shed some light on this, or who >> shares my curiosity. >> >> Ted Pierce >> > >

Judi - I have a James C. NICHOLS b. Ireland (or England) abt 1816-1817, died 1893 in Onondaga, m. abt 1843 Minerva FIELD. Maybe one of their children (Albert, Hellen, Horace, William "Henry", and Herbert) moved to IL. Judy Schor In a message dated 1/21/2004 5:01:18 AM Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: I've kept a list of some families who went from Onondaga Co, NY to central Illinois. This includes individuals named MILLER, OUDERKIRK, HARRIS, MCQUEEN, MALLORY, VARNOLD, STOCKWELL, VAN HOUTEN, NICHOLS, SEWARD, JONES, BARBERO, LOOMIS, HUTTON, HOWARD, FINK, HOUSH, HART, VAN PATTEN AND SUTTON.

Hi Ted, While my Mayo ancestors left in the 1880s, I am interested in what drew them to Syracuse. My Sweeneys and Connor line left the Crossmolina region of Mayo and entered the USA thru Boston, THEN went to Syracuse. Perhaps they already had family and friends in Syracuse that came from Mayo that I am not aware of? The lines that I KNOW are from Crossmolina (and its surrounding parishes) Co Mayo are: Sweeney Dooher Byron Berrane Birrane Connor (E Thomas Connor married a Sara O'hara in Syr abt 1919. A son became a priest in syracuse) Also suspect these lines came from Crossmolina and area- Moygawnagh, Kilfian, Killala, Ballina, and went to Syracuse, but have no factual proof as yet: Scott Egan Coughlin Martin Sweeney, b 1858 in Crossmolina was the son of Patrick SWEENEY and Catherine CONNOR, worked the NY Central RR when he arrived in Syracuse in 1884. He married Anna Eliz. BYRON in 1887. Her siblings were Margaret, Ellen, Martin, James, Peter, Catherine (Carrie)BYRON. Margaret married Peter SCOTT who apparently died in Mass or in NY between 1895-1904 leaving her with 2 children- Anna and John P Scott who were in Syracuse with Margaret in 1904. Ellen married Patrick Egan but she may have been previously married. There was a son, Robert P Egan b 1895 in NY. James married a Catherine Marley, Martin and Carrie never married. Peter appears to have stayed on the family farm, as he is there with his parents in Fairfield, Kilfian Parish in 1901. Between 1901 and 1914 he disappears, but shows up in Syracuse in 1915. 1920 Peter lives with the Scott family on Otisco st, but is back in Fairfield Kilfian Parish according to his brothers obit in 1929. I have no more info on Sara Ohara- maybe something sounds familiar to you? Diane Sweeney Groman Researching SWEENEY, CONNOR, BARRETT, DOLAN,.. CROSSMOLINA PARISH, CO. MAYO. SWEENEY, CONNOR, BYRON in Syracuse NY ca 1880 - current. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pierce-Ryan" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 1:42 PM Subject: [NYOnonda] Mayo>NY>IL>MN Migration Pattern > I have encountered many Irish families that appear to have followed a > common pattern of migration: > a.. Mayo to NY, Lewis and Onondaga counties (Near Syracuse), > particularly in the late 1840s > b.. NY to IL, Rockford/Galena area (Winnebago and Jo Davies counties), > sometimes for only a few years > c.. IL to MN, Fillmore county (Wykoff, Fountain) > Some families skipped Rockford, and others never got to MN, but the > pattern seems pretty clear. > > Family names I have seen in this pattern include: O'HARA, LANGAN, MULROY, > CUMMINGS, MALIA > > I would like to hear from anyone who can shed some light on this, or who > shares my curiosity. > > Ted Pierce > > ______________________________

My Grandfather, Louis John Kohl was born 16 Apr 1862 in Syracuse, I believe. He was orphaned, I don't know at what age. His obit indicates his uncle, Valentine Whitmore brought him to Rochester, sent him to school and gave him a job. His death certificate indicates his father's name was John Frederick. His adult "conditional" baptism record indicates his mother's name was Elizabeth Whitmore. The only record I can find that appears to be of his parents is a 1960 census record in Syracuse for John Cole and Elizabeth Witmore, living in the home of her parents, Felton and Catherine Witmore. Any ideas on where I might look for additional information would be most appreciated. Thank you. Micki Rochester, NY

Hi, Ted, I definately share your curiosity! I've traced many ancestors who went from Onondaga Co, NY in the early 1830's to various IL cities. The common denominator seemed to be cheap land and good jobs. For example, Jo Davies Co, IL had lead mines and paid top dollar to young men who would work them. Further downstate, Knox Co, IL and Fulton Co, IL offered cheap land...my 3rd Grt Grndfather, from Onondaga Co, NY paid $1.00 an acre for his land in Fulton County. I've kept a list of some families who went from Onondaga Co, NY to central Illinois. This includes individuals named MILLER, OUDERKIRK, HARRIS, MCQUEEN, MALLORY, VARNOLD, STOCKWELL, VAN HOUTEN, NICHOLS, SEWARD, JONES, BARBERO, LOOMIS, HUTTON, HOWARD, FINK, HOUSH, HART, VAN PATTEN AND SUTTON. I'm trying to trace the OUDERKIRKS & MILLERS from Lysander and Van Buren, NY and would welcome any additional information on any of these families. Judi Goodwin In a message dated 01/20/2004 3:44:04 PM Central Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > > I have encountered many Irish families that appear to have followed a common > pattern of migration: > a.. Mayo to NY, Lewis and Onondaga counties (Near Syracuse), particularly > in the late 1840s > b.. NY to IL, Rockford/Galena area (Winnebago and Jo Davies counties), > sometimes for only a few years > c.. IL to MN, Fillmore county (Wykoff, Fountain) > Some families skipped Rockford, and others never got to MN, but the pattern > seems pretty clear. > > Family names I have seen in this pattern include: O'HARA, LANGAN, MULROY, > CUMMINGS, MALIA > > I would like to hear from anyone who can shed some light on this, or who > shares my curiosity. > > Ted Pierce >

I have encountered many Irish families that appear to have followed a common pattern of migration: a.. Mayo to NY, Lewis and Onondaga counties (Near Syracuse), particularly in the late 1840s b.. NY to IL, Rockford/Galena area (Winnebago and Jo Davies counties), sometimes for only a few years c.. IL to MN, Fillmore county (Wykoff, Fountain) Some families skipped Rockford, and others never got to MN, but the pattern seems pretty clear. Family names I have seen in this pattern include: O'HARA, LANGAN, MULROY, CUMMINGS, MALIA I would like to hear from anyone who can shed some light on this, or who shares my curiosity. Ted Pierce

Thanks to all who answered my query. I am familiar with both the http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyononda/SAR/index.html and www.DAR.org , which states the closest chapter is Baldwinsville. Sometimes web sites are not up to date, and I was curious if one was right in Syracuse, and several answered with what I was looking for. Russ

Is there a DAR chapter in Syracuse? If not what is the closest? Russ ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!

what do you charge? -----Original Message----- From: nancycurran [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 5:15 PM To: [email protected] Subject: NYS vital records was [NYOnonda] Death Certificates question Hello, Anne, and others, The wait for a NYS vital records certificate need not take six months or more if you have a person in the Albany area do the legwork for you. A couple of weeks is more like it. Nancy Johnsen Curran The Continuum Genealogy research and photography in the capital region of New York State http://pages.prodigy.net/nancycurran

Hello, Anne, and others, The wait for a NYS vital records certificate need not take six months or more if you have a person in the Albany area do the legwork for you. A couple of weeks is more like it. Nancy Johnsen Curran The Continuum Genealogy research and photography in the capital region of New York State http://pages.prodigy.net/nancycurran

Thanks to all who responded to my question! You were all very helpful. Julie Pilon

You have two options for Death Certificates. #1 You can request the from New York State. This will provide you with a photocopy of the original certificate. A mail in request takes about 6 months or so. The price is $22. Look at the following website for more information. http://www.health.state.ny.us/nysdoh/consumer/vr.htm #2. You can request the Certificate from Onondaga County. You will get a transcribed piece of paper. This is typed by someone in the office and the information may not all be included, or it may not be spelled the same as the original. The turn aroudn is generally quicker. The price is $22. Look at the following website for more informaiton. http://http://www.ongov.net/Clerk/faqs.html It takes longer, but i prefer to get the photocopies of the original certificate. Next you mentioned ordering a Will. Onondaga County has a number of them for free online. I will give you the website for you to register for an account, then they will send you a second website to use to access the actual records. If you are lucky, they will have your record online. They are still adding more records. This has only been online for a short time. http://surrogate5th.courts.state.ny.us/public/ Hope this helps. Anne Ruggeri Brewerton, NY

Julie, Go the Onondaga County, New York USGenWeb Site at http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyononda/INDEX.HTM Click on ADDRESSES. That will give you the information you want. Good Luck. Carl Hommel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pilonhouse" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 9:31 PM Subject: [NYOnonda] Death Certificates question > I would like to know where I would write to order a Death Certificate for someone who died in Syracuse in 1928. Also, where should I write to inquire about a will? > > > Sorry if this seems like a stupid question...all of my research so far has been in Maryland and Washington DC. I am familiar with the best places to write to get vital records in these places. > > Thanks for your patience! > Julie Pilon > [email protected] >

I would like to know where I would write to order a Death Certificate for someone who died in Syracuse in 1928. Also, where should I write to inquire about a will? Sorry if this seems like a stupid question...all of my research so far has been in Maryland and Washington DC. I am familiar with the best places to write to get vital records in these places. Thanks for your patience! Julie Pilon [email protected]

I have a David PARSONS in my "distant" tree. I show him as marrying the daughter of Chauncy Boyd LAIRD (1804-1873) and Lucretia MILLS (1816-). Chauncy was from Camillus and Lucretia was from Albany. I believe family resided in Jordan and Elbridge. The LAIRD daughter's name is unknown to me. Does anyone know if this David PARSONS have a connection to Gerald PARSONS and/or does anyone know any information on this couple? Thanks, Rodger Airey Marlton, NJ Researching COOPER, CURRY, JESSUP. JEWELL, KENT, LAIRD, LANDPHIER, RODGER, WILLIAMS

I just checked with one of the librarians at Local History in the library. Dan says that they have most (all?) of his books in the library, but that most of his papers need to be sorted through- they're in the possession of the family at this point. Nancy Sue [email protected] On Friday, January 16, 2004, at 04:57 PM, [email protected] wrote: > Does anyone know if either the library or the historical society has > his work > on the Parsons Family? I knew he was working on it a number of years > back. >

I would like info on the BOWNE family b m d in Oneida Co 1800s 1900s and who they are married to esp Paris and Clayville NY and also b m d in Oswego Co Middlefield and Phoenix also Morris NY and Butternuts NY and Homer MY family may have lived in Michigan (Prarieville) thanks Audrey Bowne Seattle [email protected]

I'm searching the Craver and Miller families of Camillus and Van Buren, Onondaga Co. Craver: Henry, Andrew, Christopher, Jacob, Marin, John, Nicholas, Mathias John R. Miller b. ca 1815 NY State, no parents or burial place know. He is likely the John R. Miller, Physician in Syracuse m. Polly Craver, possibly kin to Henry Craver of Camillus Issue known: Webster b. ca 1839 George ca 1843 Elizabeth ca 1845-married (1) Charles Pixley (2) Dr. John Nottingham of Syracause Emma J. b. 1847. She is likely the Emma J. who m. William H. Wood John R. m (2) Ella B___by 1850 Issue known: Mary L. ca 1849 Marian M. ca 1859 Deanna